Saw Bob Papa arguing with other Giants "fans" on twitter about Eli not being able to throw the ball down field anymore...
Somebody posted this graphic, which I hadn't seen. The Giants were in the Top 10 of most attempted 20 plus yard throws with 57 attempts.
But they were number one in completion percentage on them.
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I am a giant fan who lives in reality and his play is pathetic and fans who shower him with rose pedals like you even thou he can't throw the ball 30 yards accurately and can't move one step to the right or left to avoid a defender and falls down by the sheer sound of a footstep
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I guess i imagined the throw to Shep in Indy that went 60 yards in the air, after he had to slide to his left and then they a shot in the face. Must have been a Ghost if Christmas past
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@BobPapa_NFL oh yeah then why was the 2 longest td passes of this season happen to be thrown by the WR, did you see those or you convinetly forgot they happened?
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Saw every snap. Enjoy your New Year
Maybe Bob's getting sick of it, also.
Had one beer to many and had a moment of weakness
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"Rose Pedals"? Probably the same shade on Anthony's sissy bike.
Had one beer to many and had a moment of weakness
You're Anthony?
But he can't fire the ball on a line into a tight window anymore....
His long balls have too much air under them....
Didnt see the Chiefs the first time I looked at the chart. 7 out of 10 of those teams are pretty bad teams that more then likely ended up tossing long balls to try to get back into games. That is all Im saying. Its not the only factor but its part of the equation.
Im not sure why the majority of fans cant boil it down to this.
That's also exactly my recollection. I just watched the video on Giants.com, Manning's lead foot was on the 30 and Shep caught it on the Colts 20.
Very good play, but a little exaggerated on the distance.
For discussion's sake is 1.5 completions per game of 20 yards in the air on average for Manning's career?
I also don't think anyone has claimed Manning cannot throw it 20 yards well downfield.
I can't recall such a bad team getting so many positive reviews.
I can't recall such a bad team getting so many positive reviews.
It's more important to look at where the reviews are coming from. Not one objective source believes the Giants are a good team or that Eli truly believes to remain with this team next year. Instead, it's Carl Banks, Bob Papa, etc. - shills for the organization - that continually disseminate the Giants' message.
You obviously know the game, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not embarrassed to say that I learn quite a bit from your posts. But for fucks sake man, take a break with it already.
But Papa seems like he may have been sipping the juice himself.
You obviously know the game, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not embarrassed to say that I learn quite a bit from your posts. But for fucks sake man, take a break with it already.
That's pretty funny. Unfortunately I'm this case the kid brought home straight Fs, and he did it for the fourth out of five years.
The Giants are shaping up to still be loving at home at 40. That shit ain't acceptable.
But he can't fire the ball on a line into a tight window anymore....
His long balls have too much air under them....
Most long balls have air under them so the receivers can run under the ball, well at least the ones you want to complete..
But he can't fire the ball on a line into a tight window anymore....
His long balls have too much air under them....
What I often find amusing in many of the comments about Eli this past month or so, since I've returned here, is the invention of an Eli that never was for comparison to the Eli of today.
Eli ALWAYS HAD more air under his long throws than other strong armed QBs like Rodgers or Cutler. And I put Eli in that group, because he was and still is above average in arm strength. But he always looped his passes rather than fired them on a line. Go back and look at videos of his most celebrated tosses to Tyree and Manningham, are they frozen ropes? Not at all.
Well to be honest, without OBJ's two for two bombs its only 42%...
Don't you mean, Dink and Dunk Darnold?
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Didnt see the Chiefs the first time I looked at the chart. 7 out of 10 of those teams are pretty bad teams that more then likely ended up tossing long balls to try to get back into games. That is all Im saying. Its not the only factor but its part of the equation.
I've heard garbage time touchdowns, but now there are garbage time deep balls?
You obviously know the game, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not embarrassed to say that I learn quite a bit from your posts. But for fucks sake man, take a break with it already.
You know who needs to take a break already? The Giants PR machine. They can try to spin this any way they like, but the product on the field has been garbage for quite some time. Papa is starting to look ridiculous with some of his back and forth.
Even better, anyone who'd call people "fans" for having complaints about this shit. I put them right next to people who consider themselves real "Americans" because they won't tolerate complaints about the US, as if somehow improving the place is off the table.
I've heard garbage time touchdowns, but now there are garbage time deep balls?
Britt one man's garbage is another man's TD....
Second, this statistic does not mean that the Giants were the most effective team at throwing the ball "20+ yards" downfield. All it means is that they have the highest completion percentage of the ten teams that attempted the most "20+ yards" throws. For example, the Titans are in the bottom ten of teams in terms of attempts, but have an identical 44% completion percentage to the Giants.
Finally, there are countless reasons why teams do and do no attempt many throws downfield. Of the top ten teams on that list, only 2 are playoff teams and the quarterbacks on the list are a hodgepodge ranging from the best statistical quarterback in the league this season (Mahomes) to three of the four rookies, who each had their fair share of struggles. I think this totally random assortment of teams and quarterbacks shows that the stat is pretty much meaningless.
This stat is the equivalent of evaluating a three point shooter's effectiveness based on his percentage ranking of shots made "25+ feet" from the basket as compared with the other 9 guys in the league who attempted the most "25+ foot" shots.
Does that about sum it up?
Contrary to popular opinion, we should probably invest less in the Oline going forward.
Contrary to popular opinion, we should probably invest less in the Oline going forward.
Actually, its quite opposite.... Go routes you dont need a lot of time in the pocket. And a lot of our completions are.
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Didnt see the Chiefs the first time I looked at the chart. 7 out of 10 of those teams are pretty bad teams that more then likely ended up tossing long balls to try to get back into games. That is all Im saying. Its not the only factor but its part of the equation.
I've heard garbage time touchdowns, but now there are garbage time deep balls?
Well, you certainly throw more when you're trailing, but I'm not sure the data actually bears this out.
Contrary to popular opinion, we should probably invest less in the Oline going forward.
I would be curious if there is a correlation to the longer passes and the naked boots/rollouts. Shurmur made an emphasis to change "the launch point". And he also stated that Eli is comfortable doing it despite the narrative that Eli can't move. He mentioned that Eli had more designed rollouts last year than he did his entire professional career and hadn't done so much since Ole Miss.
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to effectively run and complete deeper routes.
Contrary to popular opinion, we should probably invest less in the Oline going forward.
I would be curious if there is a correlation to the longer passes and the naked boots/rollouts. Shurmur made an emphasis to change "the launch point". And he also stated that Eli is comfortable doing it despite the narrative that Eli can't move. He mentioned that Eli had more designed rollouts last year than he did his entire professional career and hadn't done so much since Ole Miss.
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It's his decision making, largely driven by years of getting pummeled back there. The few times he has a clean pocket, he automatically makes a throw after 3 seconds, regardless if anyone's open or if he may have had additional time.
In 2013 I heard that the strong finish will carryover to 2014, result: 6-10. In 2015 I heard that the Giants had a strong offense that only went 6-10 and lost many close games; results were better next year, driven by a great defense and putrid offense. I heard at the end of 2016 if the offense could match the 2015 offense, Giants were winning a SB, result 3-13. I think you can see where I am going with this, there is no carryover from one year to the next. Sans drastic changes, bad teams generally continue to be bad. We can spin the season anyway we want, but the results were bad, just as they have been for some time. I just cannot get excited over statistical measures like these.
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Didnt see the Chiefs the first time I looked at the chart. 7 out of 10 of those teams are pretty bad teams that more then likely ended up tossing long balls to try to get back into games. That is all Im saying. Its not the only factor but its part of the equation.
I've heard garbage time touchdowns, but now there are garbage time deep balls?
I didn't say it was the only reason, I said it was probably part of the reason. No need to be a jackass.