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markky : 1/1/2019 9:12 pm
Will be watching Fromm

GA just punted to Texas 2, but because punterís knee touched ground Texas gets it at Georgia 27. Wow.
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RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14243573 PatersonPlank said:
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Losses were to OU and WVU (by 1 pt after leading by 7 with less than a minute to play). They also beat OU once, which was their only loss until Bama.


Lost to Maryland too...
That's one of the things the Giants  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 10:11 pm : link
could not figure out. Blocking inside out.
Texas has some good looking linebackers.  
barens : 1/1/2019 10:15 pm : link
Herman can coach.
RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14243581 bw in dc said:
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Losses were to OU and WVU (by 1 pt after leading by 7 with less than a minute to play). They also beat OU once, which was their only loss until Bama.



Lost to Maryland too...


Yep in their 1st game. That was the one bad loss almost every team has. After that they were very good
RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
emcca005 : 1/1/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14243596 PatersonPlank said:
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Losses were to OU and WVU (by 1 pt after leading by 7 with less than a minute to play). They also beat OU once, which was their only loss until Bama.



Lost to Maryland too...



Yep in their 1st game. That was the one bad loss almost every team has. After that they were very good


Also lost to OK St who wasn't very good this year, you literally never know which Texas is going to show up.
RE: RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14243597 emcca005 said:
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Losses were to OU and WVU (by 1 pt after leading by 7 with less than a minute to play). They also beat OU once, which was their only loss until Bama.



Lost to Maryland too...



Yep in their 1st game. That was the one bad loss almost every team has. After that they were very good



Also lost to OK St who wasn't very good this year, you literally never know which Texas is going to show up.


I forgot about that one. The issue there was their starting veteran cornerbacks were suspended for the 1st half of the game (or the 1st quarter, I can't remember which). Anyway OSU threw all over them and scored a bunch of pts during that time. When they came back in, UT started stopping OSU and ended up coming back to only lose by 3.
I don't see  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 10:57 pm : link
The Fromm - 1st rounder idea at all.
People have been quick to dismiss haskins  
nyballa0891 : 1/1/2019 10:58 pm : link
But are quiet on Fromm. Hes been poor today.
RE: Texas has some good looking linebackers.  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14243594 barens said:
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Herman can coach.


I think heís a pro candidate, too. Very, very bright. If I were an NFL team with an opening, Iíd make inquiries right now for Herman.

RE: People have been quick to dismiss haskins  
charlito : 1/1/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14243619 nyballa0891 said:
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But are quiet on Fromm. Hes been poor today.



+1
RE: I don't see  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14243618 Sy'56 said:
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The Fromm - 1st rounder idea at all.


Totally agree. Glad you said it. Iíve never understood the appeal.

Whatís so great? Medium arm. Decent mobility. Decent pocket presence. Decent on the move. Where are the pluses?

They arenít there...
Time for Fields...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 11:13 pm : link
Fromm has no rhythm.
RE: People have been quick to dismiss haskins  
montanagiant : 1/1/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14243619 nyballa0891 said:
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But are quiet on Fromm. Hes been poor today.

I agree, I like Haskins game much better
RE: I don't see  
Anakim : 1/1/2019 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14243618 Sy'56 said:
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The Fromm - 1st rounder idea at all.


Kid is a see-saw. When he's good, he's really good. When he's bad...yikes.
RE: Time for Fields...  
Anakim : 1/1/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14243634 bw in dc said:
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Fromm has no rhythm.


Fields is transferring
Really disappointed in Georgia not showing up  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 11:24 pm : link
Kudos to Texas and it's not taking away anything from how well they're playing but this isn't the same Georgia team I've seen play all year.

Totally uninspired and playing like they don't even want to be there. I guess losing the SEC Champ game really did them in. I expected them to come out with a chip on their shoulders and pissed off about not making the Playoff but it's been the opposite.

Still plenty of time but Texas is sure playing better and like they want it way more.

RE: RE: I don't see  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14243639 Anakim said:
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The Fromm - 1st rounder idea at all.



Kid is a see-saw. When he's good, he's really good. When he's bad...yikes.


Agreed. I've seen him play really well this year and make plenty of plays but tonight he's off. He's missed a couple tonight I haven't seen him miss all year.
Texas opening it up now  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 11:32 pm : link
Texas chewing up time with long drives. The UT QB is one tough SOB. OU hung in there with Bama too
Agreed. Fromm looks completely average to me  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 11:33 pm : link
I like Haskins, Jones, and Grier better frankly.
One team was happy to be here  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 11:37 pm : link
The other, not so much.

Still UGA is within shooting distance.
RE: Agreed. Fromm looks completely average to me  
Anakim : 1/1/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14243649 PatersonPlank said:
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I like Haskins, Jones, and Grier better frankly.


Fromm isn't eligible for the 2019 Draft
RE: Texas opening it up now  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14243648 PatersonPlank said:
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Texas chewing up time with long drives. The UT QB is one tough SOB. OU hung in there with Bama too


I agree with you about the Texas QB but not OU. They got curb stomped in the first quarter and once up 28-0 it sure looked like Bama took their foot off the gas.

OU came back to make the score respectable but the game was over early and then it was more like garbage time points to me than hanging tough. I never once felt like they were in the game and tome Bama did what they wanted, whenever they wanted.
Fromm looks like absolute  
tyrik13 : 1/1/2019 11:42 pm : link
Trash tonight. Missing wide open receivers when he was billed as an accurate qb, weak arm strength, very poor decision making are all quite apparent tonight. Definitely threw that first rd top qb idea right out the window.
RE: Fromm looks like absolute  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14243667 tyrik13 said:
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Trash tonight. Missing wide open receivers when he was billed as an accurate qb, weak arm strength, very poor decision making are all quite apparent tonight. Definitely threw that first rd top qb idea right out the window.


Except he's not eligible to be drafted this year.
I don't think this is over yet  
PetesHereNow : 1/1/2019 11:47 pm : link
A quick UGA touchdown would make this very interesting.

Was clear in the first half that UGA viewed this as a consolation game after not making the playoff.
Georgia has been physically  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 11:59 pm : link
dominated all over the field.

Who called that?
RE: Georgia has been physically  
Eman11 : 1/2/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14243678 B in ALB said:
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dominated all over the field.

Who called that?


Called it? Hell, I don't think anyone even thought it could happen let alone would happen.

Texas played a helluva game and credit to them but Georgia just never looked like they even wanted to be out there tonight.
As a longtime Giants fan  
B in ALB : 1/2/2019 12:28 am : link
I find it incredibly lame that Gatorade jugs now have an extra set of handles to make it easier to dump on the coaches.

The days of Harry Carson dressing up as a stadium control person, sneaking around and only dousing the coach after a championship are over. Now it's just sanitized, corporate Bullshit.

Case in point LSU showering Orgeron during a conference game against TAM in a game they ended up losing. We ruin everything.
Fromm lost me tonight  
montanagiant : 1/2/2019 3:04 am : link
Tentative with the yipes is not the way to go in a major bowl game.

Even when Georgia got the running game going a bit he was miles off target
As good as Fromm looked vs Alabama  
Jimmy Googs : 1/2/2019 5:51 am : link
he was that bad vs Texas.

Missed a few long throws that could have made a world of difference in this game. And the misses were bad.

Heís a first round talent to me based on all the UGA games I watched. But not sure posters should keep using his name and others alike as the reason the 2020 QB class is ďloadedĒ so we should wait.

RE: As good as Fromm looked vs Alabama  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 6:57 am : link
In comment 14243709 Jimmy Googs said:
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he was that bad vs Texas.

Missed a few long throws that could have made a world of difference in this game. And the misses were bad.

Heís a first round talent to me based on all the UGA games I watched. But not sure posters should keep using his name and others alike as the reason the 2020 QB class is ďloadedĒ so we should wait.


I catch a potion of almost every Georgia game since they are always televised. So I come at this with a full view of Fromm. Iím not using this one game to be the deal breaker. Maybe it was just a bad night. Maybe there was too much rust from the lay-off he couldnít shake. Maybe Todd Orlando just has a great game plan that kept Fromm off balance from the start.

To me, heís always looked the player who was just perfectly suited for just the college game. Heís had some great games in some key moments.

But what exactly are the great attributes from a metrics/skills standpoint that blow you away? What of his current skills are going to convey to the pros to make him a top tier player?

He doesnít have great size, but heís not too short. His arm looks okay, but heís not Aaron Rodgers. Heís a little nimble, but heís not Russ Wilson. He looks like a tough kid, but he doesnít shed tacklers like Roeth. He seems reasonably bright, but will he be able to process information quickly like a Brees or Brady.

To me, there arenít a lot of great answers here. So there is no way I touch this guy in the first round, let alone a high pick. I see him as a solid second or third round candidate who will need the right system and coach. Thatís not a bad thing, but it doesnít make him this prized prospect...



Last night aside bw  
Jimmy Googs : 1/2/2019 7:05 am : link
Fromm has plenty of skills to like...

He is very accurate. He spreads the ball around a ton showing vision of field and patience. He has a nice long ball as well. I have seen him take a lot of hits in the fairly tough SEC and he seems to get up from them. Last season he was a bit more of a game manager but this year he showed nice production from the pocket.

Remember 2nd year guy...
Yes...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 7:22 am : link
There are games where Fromm looks good and makes plays. And I get the second year thing. Itís a fair point.

But they donít run a high volume passing attack down in Athens because they typically run the ball very well and dominate the LOS. So that is quite a luxury, along with their usual gifted, athletic defense. I think a lot of QBs could fair well in that system.

Like I said, an excellent college QB. But I just donít see the wow factors - yet.
RE: RE: As good as Fromm looked vs Alabama  
section125 : 1/2/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14243726 bw in dc said:
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To me, there arenít a lot of great answers here. So there is no way I touch this guy in the first round, let alone a high pick. I see him as a solid second or third round candidate who will need the right system and coach. Thatís not a bad thing, but it doesnít make him this prized prospect...


So you take the best player with each attribute you describe and say Fromm doesn't do that; Rodgers arm, Roeths size/strength, Wilson's running, etc. When you find that QB with all those attributes, let me know.

I will agree he was not sharp last night, but he still does most things very well.
RE: Yes...  
ajr2456 : 1/2/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14243735 bw in dc said:
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There are games where Fromm looks good and makes plays. And I get the second year thing. Itís a fair point.

But they donít run a high volume passing attack down in Athens because they typically run the ball very well and dominate the LOS. So that is quite a luxury, along with their usual gifted, athletic defense. I think a lot of QBs could fair well in that system.

Like I said, an excellent college QB. But I just donít see the wow factors - yet.


Which is exactly why a lot of people are saying ďhey you canít bank on the 2020 classĒ.

What if after another year only Tua turns out to be the only legit prospect?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
MetsAreBack : 1/2/2019 8:33 am : link
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I forgot about that one. The issue there was their starting veteran cornerbacks were suspended for the 1st half of the game (or the 1st quarter, I can't remember which). Anyway OSU threw all over them and scored a bunch of pts during that time. When they came back in, UT started stopping OSU and ended up coming back to only lose by 3.


In my life I don't think I've ever read so many excuses spanning multiple posts for a four loss team in my life. If... but... so close... blah blah blah

People will talk about Georgia not caring to be there last night and how they should have been in the playoff - reality is it was a three loss team who's only win all year over a top 20 opponent was Florida on a neutral field
RE: I don't see  
barens : 1/2/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14243618 Sy'56 said:
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The Fromm - 1st rounder idea at all.


He's is only a sophomore, and i think his game translates well to the NFL.
Thankfully the SEC fanboys  
jestersdead : 1/2/2019 8:53 am : link
Will now crawl back into their caves and choke on some of the same BS they have been spewing since ND lost to Clemson. If Georgia deserved to be in the playoffs, they would have come out and dominated Texas. If any team deserves to complain about not being included, it is OSU.

Looking forward to Sept when ND travels to Georgia
RE: RE: As good as Fromm looked vs Alabama  
WillVAB : 1/2/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14243726 bw in dc said:
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he was that bad vs Texas.

Missed a few long throws that could have made a world of difference in this game. And the misses were bad.

Heís a first round talent to me based on all the UGA games I watched. But not sure posters should keep using his name and others alike as the reason the 2020 QB class is ďloadedĒ so we should wait.




I catch a potion of almost every Georgia game since they are always televised. So I come at this with a full view of Fromm. Iím not using this one game to be the deal breaker. Maybe it was just a bad night. Maybe there was too much rust from the lay-off he couldnít shake. Maybe Todd Orlando just has a great game plan that kept Fromm off balance from the start.

To me, heís always looked the player who was just perfectly suited for just the college game. Heís had some great games in some key moments.

But what exactly are the great attributes from a metrics/skills standpoint that blow you away? What of his current skills are going to convey to the pros to make him a top tier player?

He doesnít have great size, but heís not too short. His arm looks okay, but heís not Aaron Rodgers. Heís a little nimble, but heís not Russ Wilson. He looks like a tough kid, but he doesnít shed tacklers like Roeth. He seems reasonably bright, but will he be able to process information quickly like a Brees or Brady.

To me, there arenít a lot of great answers here. So there is no way I touch this guy in the first round, let alone a high pick. I see him as a solid second or third round candidate who will need the right system and coach. Thatís not a bad thing, but it doesnít make him this prized prospect...




Fromm is one of the rare pro style QBs in an era where everyone has the carbon copy mobile athlete at the position.

He can make all the throws, is very accurate, goes through his reads, and has poise in the pocket. He doesnít have to run to find an open receiver.

Last night doesnít change anything. The entire team no showed.

Fromm is the perfect fit for a traditional pro offense thatís big on play action. Heíd be a great fit for the Giants given their scheme and talent. I hope the rest of the league feels the same way you do heading into the 2020 draft.
WillVAB...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 9:36 am : link
Let me reframe this.

I would be interested in Fromm. If we plucked him in round two or three, I would say thatís good value.

But heís not an upper echelon talent to me right now.

Fluke game for Fromm  
Tim in JTown : 1/2/2019 9:37 am : link
I have NEVER seen him play like that. In fact, I haven't seen Georgia play like that all year. They dialed it down to about 50%. Swift's fumbles... Kicker issues.... Defense porous.... Blankenship nearly missed a point after! Just a bad night for UGA all around.

Fromm is the best college QB, but not in this game.
RE: WillVAB...  
WillVAB : 1/2/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14243896 bw in dc said:
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Let me reframe this.

I would be interested in Fromm. If we plucked him in round two or three, I would say thatís good value.

But heís not an upper echelon talent to me right now.


Then youíre overvalueing the wrong attributes when determining talent.

Fast guys with big arms come out every year. Guys with Frommís skill set are rare now.
RE: Fluke game for Fromm  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14243900 Tim in JTown said:
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I have NEVER seen him play like that. In fact, I haven't seen Georgia play like that all year. They dialed it down to about 50%. Swift's fumbles... Kicker issues.... Defense porous.... Blankenship nearly missed a point after! Just a bad night for UGA all around.

Fromm is the best college QB, but not in this game.


Let me direct you to the state directly north of Georgia. South Carolina.

Fromm isnít in the same universe, skill wise, as Lawrence
I know most of you have likely seen this, but it just cracks me up  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 10:20 am : link
Even Bevo, the Texas mascot, came ready to play last night.
Bevo kicks butt - ( New Window )
Happy for Texas  
Rick in Dallas : 1/2/2019 11:04 am : link
Herman has team going in right direction. He has changed the culture down in Austin. Recruiting in Texas has just been turned up a notch between A&M and UT going forward.
Fromm is not much better than Aaron Murray  
Gijello1 : 1/2/2019 11:11 am : link
and last I checked Murray is unemployed.

I'm a UGA fan and have watched every game since the 90s. Fromm is a very good college QB but I don't see his talent transferring to the NFL. I see him more in a back up roll
RE: Fromm is not much better than Aaron Murray  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14244079 Gijello1 said:
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and last I checked Murray is unemployed.

I'm a UGA fan and have watched every game since the 90s. Fromm is a very good college QB but I don't see his talent transferring to the NFL. I see him more in a back up roll


As a prospect, he certainly isn't more talented than Stafford (per-draft).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/2/2019 1:44 pm : link
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I forgot about that one. The issue there was their starting veteran cornerbacks were suspended for the 1st half of the game (or the 1st quarter, I can't remember which). Anyway OSU threw all over them and scored a bunch of pts during that time. When they came back in, UT started stopping OSU and ended up coming back to only lose by 3.



In my life I don't think I've ever read so many excuses spanning multiple posts for a four loss team in my life. If... but... so close... blah blah blah

People will talk about Georgia not caring to be there last night and how they should have been in the playoff - reality is it was a three loss team who's only win all year over a top 20 opponent was Florida on a neutral field



Go check again, besides LSU they blew everyone else out including Kentucky and Auburn along with Florida .... most of UGAís games were over by halftime.

They mailed it in after SEC Championship game. Everyone sees that and itís a shame. UGA was also missing its DC, best run stopping DT, best CB,and best Edge rusher .
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14244426 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Go check again, besides LSU they blew everyone else out including Kentucky and Auburn along with Florida .... most of UGAís games were over by halftime.

They mailed it in after SEC Championship game. Everyone sees that and itís a shame. UGA was also missing its DC, best run stopping DT, best CB,and best Edge rusher .


Not sure they mailed it in, but they were short handed.

And give Texas some credit. They were physical and played not to lose.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: UT is better than a lot of you think.  
MetsAreBack : 1/2/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14244426 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Go check again, besides LSU they blew everyone else out including Kentucky and Auburn along with Florida .... most of UGAís games were over by halftime.

They mailed it in after SEC Championship game. Everyone sees that and itís a shame. UGA was also missing its DC, best run stopping DT, best CB,and best Edge rusher .


Auburn? Not a top 25 team.

Kentucky - 9-3, including a 24-7 loss to lowly Tennesee. OOC games: C Michigan, Murray St, Louisville (2-10) and Mid Tennesee.

It was a soft as swiss cheese schedule for the Georgia Bulldogs this year and they still went just 11-3 with it, with one (Florida)... maybe two if I'm generous and I include Kentucky... wins all season. They should have been better, but that's why they play the games - they should consider vastly improving their OOC schedule until the SEC East gets better.
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