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nygiants16 : 1/1/2019 11:24 pm
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What the hell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/2/2019 10:05 am : link
is this supposed to mean and what evidence is there to support it??

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My guess is that neither Harper nor Machado...
M.S. : 5:59 am : link : reply

...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.

Hal and Hank love cash flow.


One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.
RE: What the hell..  
rich in DC : 1/2/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14243963 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is this supposed to mean and what evidence is there to support it??



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My guess is that neither Harper nor Machado...
M.S. : 5:59 am : link : reply

...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.

Hal and Hank love cash flow.



One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.


That is one of those posters who swallowed RAB's inane "analysis" that says the Yanks spend only a small fraction of their revenues on payroll and should spend more- I had a huge rant on why that belief is not only counterproductive but would hurt the Yanks in the long run.

Too many people don't think critically and just parrot that latest fad idea they read without thinking about the big picture of what they are parroting.
FMIC  
Bill2 : 1/2/2019 10:24 am : link
Makes perfect sense.

1) Hal and Hank love cash flow so their biggest cash flow concern is the attendance at the back end of the season. So making the playoffs matters a lot to store more months of flow (as players, scouts, minors and employee expenses get paid 12 months a year).

So having a team go as far as possible into the playoffs immensely helps the draw down of working capital ( minimizing the enormous working capital lines they already have if they needed) which occurs each offseason


2) Since employee pay is a fraction...a fraction of revenue...increases to revenue matters much more to bottom line cash flow than increases to any employee expense


3) Since Yankee player labor expense is less as a percentage than found in the auto industry, the consulting, retail banking, legal, engineering or IT hardware or software services world ( all reasonable and sustainable bottom line business models)...the attention of management should be on growing revenue and letting more revenue drop to produce more cash flow.

4) Since prices are somewhat bound...getting more people to the ballpark to see more great teams...leads to more cash flow

SO, FMIC; MS is totally right. Hal and Hank care the most about cash flow. In all of the top three ways you could add to cash flow this means that adding talent reasonably correlates to more cash flow and more probability of very desirable end of season cash flow.

Once again...great minds are ahead of you FMIC. Maybe sit bake and learn from all the collected wisdom available to you?


Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/2/2019 10:26 am : link
I love the direction you take things!!
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Bill2 : 1/2/2019 10:26 am : link
(That was meant to be half assed whimsical in case anyone thought it was meant as a debating post)
RE: Gotta imagine Machado is  
Hsilwek92 : 1/2/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14243653 mattyblue said:
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signing elsewhere then.


Based on what? Signing a guy who hasn’t played for almost 2 years? C’mon.
FMIC  
Bill2 : 1/2/2019 10:28 am : link
Happy New Year my friend
RE: RE: Gotta imagine Machado is  
rich in DC : 1/2/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14244003 Hsilwek92 said:
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In comment 14243653 mattyblue said:


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signing elsewhere then.



Based on what? Signing a guy who hasn’t played for almost 2 years? C’mon.


I took the post as kind of a tongue in cheek statement. Maybe I am wrong.
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arcarsenal : 1/2/2019 10:45 am : link
I like it. I don't think it changes anything re: Machado. It's a savvy move to scoop a player who has been top flight in the past and has been very injury prone. If we can get a mostly healthy year from him, it's a no brainer. If not, we lose nothing.

Still a ton of directions NYY can go here.
He'll compete  
Phil in LA : 1/2/2019 10:47 am : link
for the Neil Walker role.
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/2/2019 11:03 am : link
Happy New Year to you as well!!
On the subject of cash flow  
mfsd : 1/2/2019 11:38 am : link
I don’t expect Tulo to turn back the clock in a big way as a player, but after years of revenue sharing and paying the “Yankee” tax to fund other teams, I really like the idea of Toronto paying Tulo his guaranteed $20 million to play for us, for as long as he gets to.
The Tulo era?  
Carson53 : 1/2/2019 12:04 pm : link
Just kidding folks....low risk, a possible high reward.
What the hell, buy low, see what he has left.
I didn't hear the contract, but can't be that much.
Too bad this guy has had so many injuries in his career,
he could really play in his prime....Happy New Year folks.
RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
Carson53 : 1/2/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14243655 PetesHereNow said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.
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No it doesn't, just a buy low option.
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Strahan91 : 1/2/2019 12:09 pm : link
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The #Yankees informed Manny Machado days ago that they were signing Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to minimum contract as a no-risk move. Tulo has played only 66 games the last 2 seasons.

6:29 AM - 2 Jan 2019
I looked a little closer...  
Dunedin81 : 1/2/2019 4:02 pm : link
the only shortstops in the last five or six years to play the position with roughly average defense at his age or older were Jimmy Rollins (one good statistical year sandwiched between an okay one and a bad one) and JJ Hardy. Neither was coming off a lower body injury.
NYP: Tulo told he can be opening day SS  
shyster : 1/3/2019 12:20 am : link
even if Machado signed.

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If Troy Tulowitzki performs in spring training the way he did during his workout at Long Beach State last month, he could be the Yankees’ starting shortstop to begin the 2019 season — even if they do end up signing Manny Machado.

That’s what the Yankees told Tulowitzki before he agreed to a deal to come to The Bronx


This is consistent with what Passan tweeted last night. Tulo has been told that if he does what NYY thinks he can do, he will be the Didi replacement, even if Machado is signed.

Andujar is, to all appearances, on the Machado bubble.

Article speculates Andujar could go to 1B but Cashman has never even hinted at that.
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Good get  
Jeever : 1/3/2019 10:15 am : link
Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.

So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
RE: I looked a little closer...  
rich in DC : 1/3/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14244758 Dunedin81 said:
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the only shortstops in the last five or six years to play the position with roughly average defense at his age or older were Jimmy Rollins (one good statistical year sandwiched between an okay one and a bad one) and JJ Hardy. Neither was coming off a lower body injury.


Actually this is not quite accurate. Note that Tulo will be 34 in 2019.

JJ Hardy broke his foot in 2016 at age 33 and missed seven weeks. He also went on the DL with a groin strain in 2015.
While not a lower body injury, he broke his wrist in 2017. These injuries, a low BA and a complete loss of HR power ended his career shortly after.

Hardy actually had a dWAR of 1.0 or more between his age 28 and 33 seasons. His final season (2017) at age 34, he only put up a 0.1 dWAR- that was the season he broke his wrist, as well as after the broken foot in 2016.

As for Rollins, he had a bad age 34 season defensively, but put up a dWAR of 1.1 at age 35.

I would also note that 35 year old Derek Jeter- who never really was a good defensive SS- posted a dWAR of 1.1 and won a Gold Glove that year. Of course, he had a negative dWAR for a great majority of his career, so that may have been an outlier season.

Omar Visquel played SS as a starter until he was 40 years old- posting positive dWAR each season he played through age 41. He even posted a dWAR of 1.4 at age 39, 2.3 at age 40 and 1.3 at age 41.

Barry Larkin, while never an outstanding defensive SS, posted a dWAR of 2.0 at age 35.

While somewhat more removed in time, Cal Ripken had a dWAR of 3.0 at age 34 and 1.4 at age 35 at SS (though he played 6 games at 3B at age 35).
RE: Good get  
arcarsenal : 1/3/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14245746 Jeever said:
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Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.

So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.


Where is Andujar going?
RE: RE: Good get  
Strahan91 : 1/3/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14245850 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14245746 Jeever said:


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Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.

So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.



Where is Andujar going?

I'm starting to think the plan is to sign Machado and trade Andujar for Realmuto, moving Sanchez to DH and maybe first base. Realmuto still hasn't been dealt despite several suitors moving on and a few in the media have tied the Yankees to Realmuto (most notably Craig Mish who keeps updating his Realmuto odds with the Yankees 2nd highest). Keeping DH and maybe first open for Sanchez would also explain Cashman's comments about not having room for Harper which would push Stanton to everyday DH.

Maybe that's all farfetched and I'm not saying I'd be in favor of the move but to me that seems like a real possibility given all that's been reported this offseason.
I can't imagine  
bigbluehoya : 1/3/2019 11:29 am : link
that Realmuto is really in the cards for NYY.

At this point, I'd view San Diego as the most likely destination for Andujar if he were to be traded, though there would likely be 20+ teams interested in the conversation if he were to be shopped aggressively.

If NYY could package Andujar + Gray for something like Mackenzie Gore + Chris Paddack + another B/C prospect or two, I'd be just fine with it assuming Machado is already in hand.

(yes, I am aware that SD has treated Tatis and Gore as both strictly off limits up to this point)

At first blush, trading current MLB talent for prospects doesn't seem to fit with where NYY are at right now, but adding a couple of elite prospects back to the farm would be a good move in the long game if they think 2B/3B/SS are all settled for the foreseeable future.
Possibly interesting development with Nats  
rich in DC : 1/3/2019 11:42 am : link
There are stories in DC that the Nats owner met with Boras to discuss Harper around Christmas. This has been Boras' MO in the past to get a big contract for his clients with the Nats in the past.

If Harper ends up back in Washington and the Yanks get Machado, things may get very interesting.

I know it is getting several steps ahead, but what if the Dodgers approach the Yanks with an offer they can't refuse for Stanton? That might resolve the Yanks' Andujar issue in one move- simply replace Stanton at DH with Andujar- which probably works best for everyone.
A lot of moving parts in all these machinations....  
Milton : 1/3/2019 12:02 pm : link
What's holding up Machado's decision? It can't be that all offers are on the table and final or he would've pulled the trigger by now on one of them. It sound to me like he is waiting on an offer that's contingent on something else happening. My guess is that that something else either involves an Andujar trade for a bigtime pitcher or an offer that the Yankees have made to Harper. If Harper rejects the offer, the Yankees offer to Machado becomes official; if Harper accepts the offer, the Yankees pull their offer to Machado. And then maybe the Yankees go ahead with an Andujar trade that is on the table but waiting on Machado/Harper.

Bottomline is that Harper and Machado are waiting on either each other or some other domino that needs to fall. Nobody is sitting around still trying to decide between chocolate and vanilla.
According to Heyman on WFAN today  
Strahan91 : 1/3/2019 12:08 pm : link
as of a couple days ago, the Yankees hadn't yet made an offer to Machado but he thinks they have a good shot at signing him. He also said he thinks Manny signs before Harper.

The latter two points are unsurprising.
RE: According to Heyman on WFAN today  
Milton : 1/3/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14245960 Strahan91 said:
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as of a couple days ago, the Yankees hadn't yet made an offer to Machado
All the more reason to believe that Harper is in play for the Yankees (and is their priority) or that an Andujar trade needs to be finalized before the Yankees will make an official offer to Machado. I'm guessing it's more likely contingent on Harper signing rather than an Andujar trade.
It's been a poker game from that start..  
Milton : 1/3/2019 12:16 pm : link
Lots of bigtime players at the table, who is bluffing, who blinks first?
Anything can happen  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 12:24 pm : link
But I feel confident in saying that the Yankees aren't trading for Realmuto.
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Strahan91 : 1/3/2019 12:25 pm : link
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I'm not sure what it says about the Machado market. But sources in touch with the #Yankees & #Phillies say they're both focused heavily on the bullpen market this week.

#Yankees in on Britton, Ottavino, Robertson. #Phillies also in that mix, but lots of Robertson talk there.
It would surprise me less to see Trout in pinstripes on OD...  
Dunedin81 : 1/3/2019 12:33 pm : link
than it would to see JT Realmuto.
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arcarsenal : 1/3/2019 12:37 pm : link
My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
BlueJay coaches  
Jay in Toronto : 1/3/2019 12:52 pm : link
sound pretty confident that his D is there (plus skills) and less confident about offensive skills.
Heyman says Robertson to Phillies picking up steam  
bigbluehoya : 1/3/2019 1:27 pm : link
and I'm OK with it.
2 year deal for Robertson to Philly  
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BREAKING: David Robertson has agreed to a two-year deal with the Phillies that guarantees him at least $23 million. He’ll earn $10M in 2019, $11M in 2020, with a $12M club option ($2M buyout) for 2021. He’s passed a physical and the deal is complete.
I'll guess  
bigbluehoya : 1/3/2019 1:32 pm : link
Britton comes back to the Yanks on a 3 year $39M deal with a team option for year 4 at $13M.
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rich in DC : 1/3/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14246009 arcarsenal said:
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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.


I'm not sure the Yanks get two big ticket relievers.

They already have Chapman, Betances, Green, Holder and Kahnle as near locks for the pen.

Then, there is a second group who might make the team made up of Cessa (out of options so bullpen or let go), Cole (same as Cessa), and Tarpley.

There is a third group of guys who could be fill-ins for injury or ineffectiveness such as Harvey and Feyereisen.

I think the Yanks MIGHT only go for one of the big ticket FA- with Robertson going to the Phillies, my guess would be one of Britton or Ottavino.
Kahnle was complete garbage last year  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 2:08 pm : link
I'm not sure how you see him as a lock.
RE: Kahnle was complete garbage last year  
rich in DC : 1/3/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14246145 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not sure how you see him as a lock.


I don't think he was healthy last year at any point- and he was very good before that. Not to mention that the Yanks offered him arbitration instead of letting him walk. Indicates he is more in their plans than not.
His arb award will be light...  
Dunedin81 : 1/3/2019 2:12 pm : link
he is almost certainly out of options though, so he'll either stick or be at risk of a DFA.
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arcarsenal : 1/3/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14246144 rich in DC said:
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In comment 14246009 arcarsenal said:


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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.



I'm not sure the Yanks get two big ticket relievers.

They already have Chapman, Betances, Green, Holder and Kahnle as near locks for the pen.

Then, there is a second group who might make the team made up of Cessa (out of options so bullpen or let go), Cole (same as Cessa), and Tarpley.

There is a third group of guys who could be fill-ins for injury or ineffectiveness such as Harvey and Feyereisen.

I think the Yanks MIGHT only go for one of the big ticket FA- with Robertson going to the Phillies, my guess would be one of Britton or Ottavino.


They do have internal options - they may even want to give Loaisaga a look as a RP. I still think German's swing and miss stuff is intriguing and I could see him carving out a role if he can get his stuff a little more controlled.

But I do remember Cashman saying they felt they needed to add 2 RP's IIRC.. probably knowing they'd lose Robertson. So, I could see them going after Ottavino to cover the loss of Robertson and then just bring Britton back. I'm not sure how much they'll rely on Kahnle - obviously Chappy, Betances, Green, and Holder should all be locks. Tarpley pitched pretty well too - I could see him being a lefty option.

Cole and Cessa stink, IMO. I would only want to have them in mop up roles or use Cessa as a spot starter in an emergency.
Don't sleep on Acevedo...  
Dunedin81 : 1/3/2019 2:15 pm : link
mentioned this on the other thread, but they're at SOGOTP time with him because of his 40-man status. He has a full season's worth of innings at Trenton, he should be at SWB either in April or shortly thereafter and then he's a phone call away. I'd be very surprised if he didn't start the year in the pen.
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Milton : 1/3/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14246009 arcarsenal said:
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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
My guess: Britton and Harper wind up Yankees. Wishful thinking maybe.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!
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arcarsenal : 1/3/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14246495 Milton said:
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In comment 14246009 arcarsenal said:


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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.

My guess: Britton and Harper wind up Yankees. Wishful thinking maybe.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!


Yes, I would say any scenario that has NYY winding up with Harper, Britton and Kluber would be somewhat wishful thinking. :)

I'd certainly sign up for it, though.
Manny Machado reportedly has an offer on the table...  
M.S. : 1/4/2019 5:26 am : link

...from White Sox.

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Tulo got a full no-trade clause  
rich in DC : 1/5/2019 7:03 pm : link
Interesting- he asked for it and got it- reportedly because the Yanks had to fight off 16 other teams to sign him.

He also has been promised the starting SS job as long as Didi is out- so long as he is healthy.

I wonder if this was a vote of confidence in him by the Yanks?
Britton  
GF1080 : 1/5/2019 8:54 pm : link
Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.
RE: Britton  
arcarsenal : 1/5/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14248829 GF1080 said:
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Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.


Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
Glad to have Britton back.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/5/2019 9:01 pm : link
Good signing.
RE: RE: Britton  
rich in DC : 1/5/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14248847 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14248829 GF1080 said:


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Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.



Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.


Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.
RE: RE: RE: Britton  
section125 : 1/5/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14249069 rich in DC said:
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In comment 14248847 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 14248829 GF1080 said:


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Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.



Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.



Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.


I really like these multiple option deals. They protect both the player and the team. The answer to 10 years deals. Plenty of outs and also helps the player.
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