Hopefully it doesn't signal Manny signing with Philly though. I can't see why Tulowitzki signs with the Yankees to be a bench player. You'd think one of the interested teams would give him a chance to be a daily player.
Free agent shortstop Troy Tulowitzki is in agreement on a deal with the New York Yankees pending a physical, league sources tell ESPN. Tulowitzki is expected to join the Yankees on a league-minimum deal, with the Toronto Blue Jays paying the remainder of his $20 million salary.
No risk for the Yanks. They can see if he has anything left after not playing last season. I prefer the Yanks leave Gleyber Torres at 2B and let Tulo, Tyler Wade, Thairo Estrada and Hanser Alberto compete at SS. Hopefully, Didi is ready in the second half of the season anyway.
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I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
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I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
I think Harper is in play now.
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I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
All very true. Tulo looked like he was going to be a hall of farmer early in his career, the amount of injuries he has sustained is mind blowing.
Hopefully it doesn't signal Manny signing with Philly though. I can't see why Tulowitzki signs with the Yankees to be a bench player. You'd think one of the interested teams would give him a chance to be a daily player.
It's questionable whether his body can handle being an everyday player at this point. Maybe he realizes that. I wouldn't say this signing means anything at all regarding Manny Machado.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
I think Harper is in play now.
Id love that! It would definitely be a surprise as I dont recall a player that Cashman has ever said they werent interested in as much as Harper. If we signed Harper I wonder if we would try to deal Stanton or even Frazier if he is able to play well in ST.
Yankees get for Hicks? While not the ideal defensive outfield Judge, Harper, Gardener/Frazier with Stanton spelling Judge would be pretty wild. I also dont see the Yanks retaining Hicks after this year as he will get expensive and other salaries are coming down the road.
he feels he is playing for Didi until he gets back. This also gives the Yankees room if they want to trade Andujar for a stud pitcher. Give them options while Didi gets healthy.
Tulo had the same surgeries that cespedes is getting. Hes a league minimum guy and has no impact on manny. Hes insurance. Dont let the name fool you. This is like when we signed Brendan Ryan.
Really don't know what to think about this signing
Yes,for the minimum it's no risk. Tulo has always wanted to be a Yankee. Passan says no impact on Manny pursuit so if that is truly the case (I don't trust Hal,especially if he can do it on the cheap instead of Manny & stay under the cap),does it mean (as others have mentioned) that Andujar is in play for a trade? Tulo has only played SS his entire career so he'd have to learn 3B/2B to replace Walker as the utility Infielder.If Manny is still in play & an Andujar trade is being considered,they'd have to bring in another infielder (glove) to back up Tulo because of his injury history. I hope this is just a too good a deal to pass up & anything they get from Tulo would be a plus & has no effect on any moves going forward. But,I always worry about Bottom Line Hal!
player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
This signing has nothing to do with the pen. I would never doubt Cash and the pen. The Yanks have practically invented the deep pen and he knows the advantage the Yanks had over virtually every team in baseball is their pen.
They'll get at least one of Britton, Robertson and Ottavino. Likely two.
Sonny Gray will be dealt when Cash sees what pieces they need after FA. Things likely speed up after the Tulo signing. Now he has a vet IF with SS experience. Gleyber probably stays at 2nd.
player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
Good lord. The calendar just flipped to January. Give it time. Aside from that, Herve already added what is likely the best SP available in Paxton.
As others have said it's zero risk financially -- it's a great hedge against possible complications in Didi's surgery and allows flexibility. If he's really done, he costs nothing.
3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.
I agree with this. RAB saying that Tulo doesn't want to be a utility player. I can't see that. At this point, that is what he is until proven otherwise.
He is likely the hedge on Didi, Andujar and 1B and at league minimum, he can be let go without much penalty if he cannot cut it in ST.
TT has apparently been signed with the representation
and minimal risk (just the loss of a fringe 40-man guy). But he's probably not a shortstop, even on a part-time basis. I don't think it precludes a Manny Machado signing, if anything it probably makes it a little more likely. A Galvis signing, by contrast, would have probably have signaled Machado's market got out of hand.
that he will be the opening day shortstop. This is per Jeff Passan's follow-up tweet and is Axisa's interpretation.
Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.
It's not just a flyer.
Are you talking about the RAB article on the signing? If so Mike seems to think Tulo has accepted he might be a utility guy.
I re-read the article and don't see it that way. Axisa says TT looks to the be starting SS per Passan and per his own statement to clubs that he doesn't want to be utility guy.
He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
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He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.
If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.
I do think that this suggests that Machado is going elsewhere.
Tiny pressure and increased optionality in every direction ( Andujar, Machado, Harper) and slightly lower risk for the Yankees.
A lot of leg injuries go away with some kinds of heel spur removals. So let's see.
Lots of teams would like a hitter fielder like Tulo for the minimum payment possible.
I think even if his leg injuries healed, he'd still be up against Father Time. Only four shortstops with 500+ innings last year were in their age 30 season or beyond, and of them only Brandon Crawford and Elvis Andrus could be said to be around league average defensively.
especially because he is patient, and he provides a speed dimension they haven't had since Ellsbury first got to the team, back when Gardner could still steal bases.
RE: I do think that this suggests that Machado is going elsewhere.
Too bad, but Tulo is certainly a decent fill in for Didi, if he can still field the position.
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The #Yankees informed Manny Machado days ago that they were signing Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to minimum contract as a no-risk move. Tulo has played only 66 games the last 2 seasons.
3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.
This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.
3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.
This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.
What's your take of the Tulo signing Rich?
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He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.
If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.
We need to keep in mind that Tulo was an outstanding defensive SS in Colorado- right up through 2014. He had a rough 2015 in Colorado, though he played flawlessly with the Jays in 39 games in 2015.
He was very good in 128 games in 2016 with Toronto- also remembering that he was playing on the turf up there, which plays faster than grass (meaning it the SS needs to cover more ground and is challenged more on turf).
I think the 2017 numbers need to be thrown out because he had hamstring issues and the heel spurs in both feet. Now that the issue is resolved, I would take the 2016 defensive numbers from any SS.
Also, I would recommend looking at Tulo's last healthy season- 2016- and see what he did with the bat. That isn't far off of Didi's numbers- which is more than anyone available would be able to offer at SS.
I would also suggest looking down the page a bit and look at the "Player Value--Batting section." While this has the analytic numbers for his hitting, look at the column titled "dWAR," which is the amount of his WAR attributed to his defensive contributions. Note that in his whole career, he has just a single season of negative dWAR (I am not counting his 25 game cup of coffee before his rookie season). Even in his injury plagued 2017, he still had a dWAR of 0.1.
I think we are getting too far out over our skis if we are assuming that he will not be able to handle SS defensively. The numbers bear out that even when injured, he still plays an excellent defense.
Now, I don't think that we can anticipate him playing 140+ games- I think that even if Didi can't come back this season, I suspect the best case scenario is closer to 125 games max- maybe even only 115.
I think that this might be a sign that the Yanks are inclined to carry Wade as the reserve INF because he is a solid SS and 2B- and he may be asked to play up to 2 times a week- especially on day games after a night game or doubleheaders. Tulo's stats - ( New Window )
is this supposed to mean and what evidence is there to support it??
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...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.
Hal and Hank love cash flow.
One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.
That is one of those posters who swallowed RAB's inane "analysis" that says the Yanks spend only a small fraction of their revenues on payroll and should spend more- I had a huge rant on why that belief is not only counterproductive but would hurt the Yanks in the long run.
Too many people don't think critically and just parrot that latest fad idea they read without thinking about the big picture of what they are parroting.
1) Hal and Hank love cash flow so their biggest cash flow concern is the attendance at the back end of the season. So making the playoffs matters a lot to store more months of flow (as players, scouts, minors and employee expenses get paid 12 months a year).
So having a team go as far as possible into the playoffs immensely helps the draw down of working capital ( minimizing the enormous working capital lines they already have if they needed) which occurs each offseason
2) Since employee pay is a fraction...a fraction of revenue...increases to revenue matters much more to bottom line cash flow than increases to any employee expense
3) Since Yankee player labor expense is less as a percentage than found in the auto industry, the consulting, retail banking, legal, engineering or IT hardware or software services world ( all reasonable and sustainable bottom line business models)...the attention of management should be on growing revenue and letting more revenue drop to produce more cash flow.
4) Since prices are somewhat bound...getting more people to the ballpark to see more great teams...leads to more cash flow
SO, FMIC; MS is totally right. Hal and Hank care the most about cash flow. In all of the top three ways you could add to cash flow this means that adding talent reasonably correlates to more cash flow and more probability of very desirable end of season cash flow.
Once again...great minds are ahead of you FMIC. Maybe sit bake and learn from all the collected wisdom available to you?
I like it. I don't think it changes anything re: Machado. It's a savvy move to scoop a player who has been top flight in the past and has been very injury prone. If we can get a mostly healthy year from him, it's a no brainer. If not, we lose nothing.
I dont expect Tulo to turn back the clock in a big way as a player, but after years of revenue sharing and paying the Yankee tax to fund other teams, I really like the idea of Toronto paying Tulo his guaranteed $20 million to play for us, for as long as he gets to.
Just kidding folks....low risk, a possible high reward.
What the hell, buy low, see what he has left.
I didn't hear the contract, but can't be that much.
Too bad this guy has had so many injuries in his career,
he could really play in his prime....Happy New Year folks.
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The #Yankees informed Manny Machado days ago that they were signing Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to minimum contract as a no-risk move. Tulo has played only 66 games the last 2 seasons.
the only shortstops in the last five or six years to play the position with roughly average defense at his age or older were Jimmy Rollins (one good statistical year sandwiched between an okay one and a bad one) and JJ Hardy. Neither was coming off a lower body injury.
If Troy Tulowitzki performs in spring training the way he did during his workout at Long Beach State last month, he could be the Yankees starting shortstop to begin the 2019 season even if they do end up signing Manny Machado.
Thats what the Yankees told Tulowitzki before he agreed to a deal to come to The Bronx
This is consistent with what Passan tweeted last night. Tulo has been told that if he does what NYY thinks he can do, he will be the Didi replacement, even if Machado is signed.
Andujar is, to all appearances, on the Machado bubble.
Article speculates Andujar could go to 1B but Cashman has never even hinted at that. Martin/Sherman - ( New Window )
Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.
So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
the only shortstops in the last five or six years to play the position with roughly average defense at his age or older were Jimmy Rollins (one good statistical year sandwiched between an okay one and a bad one) and JJ Hardy. Neither was coming off a lower body injury.
Actually this is not quite accurate. Note that Tulo will be 34 in 2019.
JJ Hardy broke his foot in 2016 at age 33 and missed seven weeks. He also went on the DL with a groin strain in 2015.
While not a lower body injury, he broke his wrist in 2017. These injuries, a low BA and a complete loss of HR power ended his career shortly after.
Hardy actually had a dWAR of 1.0 or more between his age 28 and 33 seasons. His final season (2017) at age 34, he only put up a 0.1 dWAR- that was the season he broke his wrist, as well as after the broken foot in 2016.
As for Rollins, he had a bad age 34 season defensively, but put up a dWAR of 1.1 at age 35.
I would also note that 35 year old Derek Jeter- who never really was a good defensive SS- posted a dWAR of 1.1 and won a Gold Glove that year. Of course, he had a negative dWAR for a great majority of his career, so that may have been an outlier season.
Omar Visquel played SS as a starter until he was 40 years old- posting positive dWAR each season he played through age 41. He even posted a dWAR of 1.4 at age 39, 2.3 at age 40 and 1.3 at age 41.
Barry Larkin, while never an outstanding defensive SS, posted a dWAR of 2.0 at age 35.
While somewhat more removed in time, Cal Ripken had a dWAR of 3.0 at age 34 and 1.4 at age 35 at SS (though he played 6 games at 3B at age 35).
Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.
So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.
So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
Where is Andujar going?
I'm starting to think the plan is to sign Machado and trade Andujar for Realmuto, moving Sanchez to DH and maybe first base. Realmuto still hasn't been dealt despite several suitors moving on and a few in the media have tied the Yankees to Realmuto (most notably Craig Mish who keeps updating his Realmuto odds with the Yankees 2nd highest). Keeping DH and maybe first open for Sanchez would also explain Cashman's comments about not having room for Harper which would push Stanton to everyday DH.
Maybe that's all farfetched and I'm not saying I'd be in favor of the move but to me that seems like a real possibility given all that's been reported this offseason.
At this point, I'd view San Diego as the most likely destination for Andujar if he were to be traded, though there would likely be 20+ teams interested in the conversation if he were to be shopped aggressively.
If NYY could package Andujar + Gray for something like Mackenzie Gore + Chris Paddack + another B/C prospect or two, I'd be just fine with it assuming Machado is already in hand.
(yes, I am aware that SD has treated Tatis and Gore as both strictly off limits up to this point)
At first blush, trading current MLB talent for prospects doesn't seem to fit with where NYY are at right now, but adding a couple of elite prospects back to the farm would be a good move in the long game if they think 2B/3B/SS are all settled for the foreseeable future.
There are stories in DC that the Nats owner met with Boras to discuss Harper around Christmas. This has been Boras' MO in the past to get a big contract for his clients with the Nats in the past.
If Harper ends up back in Washington and the Yanks get Machado, things may get very interesting.
I know it is getting several steps ahead, but what if the Dodgers approach the Yanks with an offer they can't refuse for Stanton? That might resolve the Yanks' Andujar issue in one move- simply replace Stanton at DH with Andujar- which probably works best for everyone.
A lot of moving parts in all these machinations....
What's holding up Machado's decision? It can't be that all offers are on the table and final or he would've pulled the trigger by now on one of them. It sound to me like he is waiting on an offer that's contingent on something else happening. My guess is that that something else either involves an Andujar trade for a bigtime pitcher or an offer that the Yankees have made to Harper. If Harper rejects the offer, the Yankees offer to Machado becomes official; if Harper accepts the offer, the Yankees pull their offer to Machado. And then maybe the Yankees go ahead with an Andujar trade that is on the table but waiting on Machado/Harper.
Bottomline is that Harper and Machado are waiting on either each other or some other domino that needs to fall. Nobody is sitting around still trying to decide between chocolate and vanilla.
as of a couple days ago, the Yankees hadn't yet made an offer to Machado but he thinks they have a good shot at signing him. He also said he thinks Manny signs before Harper.
as of a couple days ago, the Yankees hadn't yet made an offer to Machado
All the more reason to believe that Harper is in play for the Yankees (and is their priority) or that an Andujar trade needs to be finalized before the Yankees will make an official offer to Machado. I'm guessing it's more likely contingent on Harper signing rather than an Andujar trade.
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I'm not sure what it says about the Machado market. But sources in touch with the #Yankees & #Phillies say they're both focused heavily on the bullpen market this week.
#Yankees in on Britton, Ottavino, Robertson. #Phillies also in that mix, but lots of Robertson talk there.
It would surprise me less to see Trout in pinstripes on OD...
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BREAKING: David Robertson has agreed to a two-year deal with the Phillies that guarantees him at least $23 million. Hell earn $10M in 2019, $11M in 2020, with a $12M club option ($2M buyout) for 2021. Hes passed a physical and the deal is complete.
I don't think he was healthy last year at any point- and he was very good before that. Not to mention that the Yanks offered him arbitration instead of letting him walk. Indicates he is more in their plans than not.
My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
I'm not sure the Yanks get two big ticket relievers.
They already have Chapman, Betances, Green, Holder and Kahnle as near locks for the pen.
Then, there is a second group who might make the team made up of Cessa (out of options so bullpen or let go), Cole (same as Cessa), and Tarpley.
There is a third group of guys who could be fill-ins for injury or ineffectiveness such as Harvey and Feyereisen.
I think the Yanks MIGHT only go for one of the big ticket FA- with Robertson going to the Phillies, my guess would be one of Britton or Ottavino.
They do have internal options - they may even want to give Loaisaga a look as a RP. I still think German's swing and miss stuff is intriguing and I could see him carving out a role if he can get his stuff a little more controlled.
But I do remember Cashman saying they felt they needed to add 2 RP's IIRC.. probably knowing they'd lose Robertson. So, I could see them going after Ottavino to cover the loss of Robertson and then just bring Britton back. I'm not sure how much they'll rely on Kahnle - obviously Chappy, Betances, Green, and Holder should all be locks. Tarpley pitched pretty well too - I could see him being a lefty option.
Cole and Cessa stink, IMO. I would only want to have them in mop up roles or use Cessa as a spot starter in an emergency.
mentioned this on the other thread, but they're at SOGOTP time with him because of his 40-man status. He has a full season's worth of innings at Trenton, he should be at SWB either in April or shortly thereafter and then he's a phone call away. I'd be very surprised if he didn't start the year in the pen.
My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
My guess: Britton and Harper wind up Yankees. Wishful thinking maybe.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!
My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
My guess: Britton and Harper wind up Yankees. Wishful thinking maybe.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!
Yes, I would say any scenario that has NYY winding up with Harper, Britton and Kluber would be somewhat wishful thinking. :)
I'd certainly sign up for it, though.
Manny Machado reportedly has an offer on the table...
Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.
Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.
Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.
Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.
I really like these multiple option deals. They protect both the player and the team. The answer to 10 years deals. Plenty of outs and also helps the player.
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Free agent shortstop Troy Tulowitzki is in agreement on a deal with the New York Yankees pending a physical, league sources tell ESPN. Tulowitzki is expected to join the Yankees on a league-minimum deal, with the Toronto Blue Jays paying the remainder of his $20 million salary.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
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I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
That's an assumption. Here is another. Maybe the Yanks have an offer for Andujar that they like?
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Toronto is paying the salary.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
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Toronto is paying the salary.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
I think Harper is in play now.
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Toronto is paying the salary.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
All very true. Tulo looked like he was going to be a hall of farmer early in his career, the amount of injuries he has sustained is mind blowing.
It's questionable whether his body can handle being an everyday player at this point. Maybe he realizes that. I wouldn't say this signing means anything at all regarding Manny Machado.
Hopefully, but this has absolutely nothing to do with that and absolutely has no impact on Machado.
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Toronto is paying the salary.
I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.
Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.
If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
I think Harper is in play now.
Id love that! It would definitely be a surprise as I dont recall a player that Cashman has ever said they werent interested in as much as Harper. If we signed Harper I wonder if we would try to deal Stanton or even Frazier if he is able to play well in ST.
But what about when Didi comes back? The backup IF has to be able to play 2B.
I don't rule it out though. Maybe they think he can learn.
...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.
Hal and Hank love cash flow.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
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player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
This signing has nothing to do with the pen. I would never doubt Cash and the pen. The Yanks have practically invented the deep pen and he knows the advantage the Yanks had over virtually every team in baseball is their pen.
They'll get at least one of Britton, Robertson and Ottavino. Likely two.
Sonny Gray will be dealt when Cash sees what pieces they need after FA. Things likely speed up after the Tulo signing. Now he has a vet IF with SS experience. Gleyber probably stays at 2nd.
But we do not know what Hal is thinking...
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player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.
Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
Good lord. The calendar just flipped to January. Give it time. Aside from that, Herve already added what is likely the best SP available in Paxton.
Patience...
I agree with this. RAB saying that Tulo doesn't want to be a utility player. I can't see that. At this point, that is what he is until proven otherwise.
He is likely the hedge on Didi, Andujar and 1B and at league minimum, he can be let go without much penalty if he cannot cut it in ST.
Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.
It's not just a flyer.
A lot of leg injuries go away with some kinds of heel spur removals. So let's see.
Lots of teams would like a hitter fielder like Tulo for the minimum payment possible.
Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.
It's not just a flyer.
Are you talking about the RAB article on the signing? If so Mike seems to think Tulo has accepted he might be a utility guy.
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that he will be the opening day shortstop. This is per Jeff Passan's follow-up tweet and is Axisa's interpretation.
Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.
It's not just a flyer.
Are you talking about the RAB article on the signing? If so Mike seems to think Tulo has accepted he might be a utility guy.
I re-read the article and don't see it that way. Axisa says TT looks to the be starting SS per Passan and per his own statement to clubs that he doesn't want to be utility guy.
He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.
If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.
A lot of leg injuries go away with some kinds of heel spur removals. So let's see.
Lots of teams would like a hitter fielder like Tulo for the minimum payment possible.
I think even if his leg injuries healed, he'd still be up against Father Time. Only four shortstops with 500+ innings last year were in their age 30 season or beyond, and of them only Brandon Crawford and Elvis Andrus could be said to be around league average defensively.
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This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.
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3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.
This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.
What's your take of the Tulo signing Rich?
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He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.
If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.
We need to keep in mind that Tulo was an outstanding defensive SS in Colorado- right up through 2014. He had a rough 2015 in Colorado, though he played flawlessly with the Jays in 39 games in 2015.
He was very good in 128 games in 2016 with Toronto- also remembering that he was playing on the turf up there, which plays faster than grass (meaning it the SS needs to cover more ground and is challenged more on turf).
I think the 2017 numbers need to be thrown out because he had hamstring issues and the heel spurs in both feet. Now that the issue is resolved, I would take the 2016 defensive numbers from any SS.
Also, I would recommend looking at Tulo's last healthy season- 2016- and see what he did with the bat. That isn't far off of Didi's numbers- which is more than anyone available would be able to offer at SS.
I would also suggest looking down the page a bit and look at the "Player Value--Batting section." While this has the analytic numbers for his hitting, look at the column titled "dWAR," which is the amount of his WAR attributed to his defensive contributions. Note that in his whole career, he has just a single season of negative dWAR (I am not counting his 25 game cup of coffee before his rookie season). Even in his injury plagued 2017, he still had a dWAR of 0.1.
I think we are getting too far out over our skis if we are assuming that he will not be able to handle SS defensively. The numbers bear out that even when injured, he still plays an excellent defense.
Now, I don't think that we can anticipate him playing 140+ games- I think that even if Didi can't come back this season, I suspect the best case scenario is closer to 125 games max- maybe even only 115.
I think that this might be a sign that the Yanks are inclined to carry Wade as the reserve INF because he is a solid SS and 2B- and he may be asked to play up to 2 times a week- especially on day games after a night game or doubleheaders.
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...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.
Hal and Hank love cash flow.
One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.
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...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.
Hal and Hank love cash flow.
One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.
That is one of those posters who swallowed RAB's inane "analysis" that says the Yanks spend only a small fraction of their revenues on payroll and should spend more- I had a huge rant on why that belief is not only counterproductive but would hurt the Yanks in the long run.
Too many people don't think critically and just parrot that latest fad idea they read without thinking about the big picture of what they are parroting.
1) Hal and Hank love cash flow so their biggest cash flow concern is the attendance at the back end of the season. So making the playoffs matters a lot to store more months of flow (as players, scouts, minors and employee expenses get paid 12 months a year).
So having a team go as far as possible into the playoffs immensely helps the draw down of working capital ( minimizing the enormous working capital lines they already have if they needed) which occurs each offseason
2) Since employee pay is a fraction...a fraction of revenue...increases to revenue matters much more to bottom line cash flow than increases to any employee expense
3) Since Yankee player labor expense is less as a percentage than found in the auto industry, the consulting, retail banking, legal, engineering or IT hardware or software services world ( all reasonable and sustainable bottom line business models)...the attention of management should be on growing revenue and letting more revenue drop to produce more cash flow.
4) Since prices are somewhat bound...getting more people to the ballpark to see more great teams...leads to more cash flow
SO, FMIC; MS is totally right. Hal and Hank care the most about cash flow. In all of the top three ways you could add to cash flow this means that adding talent reasonably correlates to more cash flow and more probability of very desirable end of season cash flow.
Once again...great minds are ahead of you FMIC. Maybe sit bake and learn from all the collected wisdom available to you?
Based on what? Signing a guy who hasnt played for almost 2 years? Cmon.
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signing elsewhere then.
Based on what? Signing a guy who hasnt played for almost 2 years? Cmon.
I took the post as kind of a tongue in cheek statement. Maybe I am wrong.
Still a ton of directions NYY can go here.
What the hell, buy low, see what he has left.
I didn't hear the contract, but can't be that much.
Too bad this guy has had so many injuries in his career,
he could really play in his prime....Happy New Year folks.
No it doesn't, just a buy low option.
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The #Yankees informed Manny Machado days ago that they were signing Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to minimum contract as a no-risk move. Tulo has played only 66 games the last 2 seasons.
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Thats what the Yankees told Tulowitzki before he agreed to a deal to come to The Bronx
This is consistent with what Passan tweeted last night. Tulo has been told that if he does what NYY thinks he can do, he will be the Didi replacement, even if Machado is signed.
Andujar is, to all appearances, on the Machado bubble.
Article speculates Andujar could go to 1B but Cashman has never even hinted at that.
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So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
Actually this is not quite accurate. Note that Tulo will be 34 in 2019.
JJ Hardy broke his foot in 2016 at age 33 and missed seven weeks. He also went on the DL with a groin strain in 2015.
While not a lower body injury, he broke his wrist in 2017. These injuries, a low BA and a complete loss of HR power ended his career shortly after.
Hardy actually had a dWAR of 1.0 or more between his age 28 and 33 seasons. His final season (2017) at age 34, he only put up a 0.1 dWAR- that was the season he broke his wrist, as well as after the broken foot in 2016.
As for Rollins, he had a bad age 34 season defensively, but put up a dWAR of 1.1 at age 35.
I would also note that 35 year old Derek Jeter- who never really was a good defensive SS- posted a dWAR of 1.1 and won a Gold Glove that year. Of course, he had a negative dWAR for a great majority of his career, so that may have been an outlier season.
Omar Visquel played SS as a starter until he was 40 years old- posting positive dWAR each season he played through age 41. He even posted a dWAR of 1.4 at age 39, 2.3 at age 40 and 1.3 at age 41.
Barry Larkin, while never an outstanding defensive SS, posted a dWAR of 2.0 at age 35.
While somewhat more removed in time, Cal Ripken had a dWAR of 3.0 at age 34 and 1.4 at age 35 at SS (though he played 6 games at 3B at age 35).
So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
Where is Andujar going?
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Tulo starts at SS with Manny at 3rd. Hopefully, Tulo plays well. When Didi gets back in the swing of things, Tulo becomes available as trade bait. Some team will be willing to take him at the league minimum if he's raking and play decent defense.
So, we get Manny at 3rd, Tulo holds down the fort at SS till Didi returns and then we pick up some depth players for Tulo at the trade deadline. What's not to like.
Where is Andujar going?
I'm starting to think the plan is to sign Machado and trade Andujar for Realmuto, moving Sanchez to DH and maybe first base. Realmuto still hasn't been dealt despite several suitors moving on and a few in the media have tied the Yankees to Realmuto (most notably Craig Mish who keeps updating his Realmuto odds with the Yankees 2nd highest). Keeping DH and maybe first open for Sanchez would also explain Cashman's comments about not having room for Harper which would push Stanton to everyday DH.
Maybe that's all farfetched and I'm not saying I'd be in favor of the move but to me that seems like a real possibility given all that's been reported this offseason.
At this point, I'd view San Diego as the most likely destination for Andujar if he were to be traded, though there would likely be 20+ teams interested in the conversation if he were to be shopped aggressively.
If NYY could package Andujar + Gray for something like Mackenzie Gore + Chris Paddack + another B/C prospect or two, I'd be just fine with it assuming Machado is already in hand.
(yes, I am aware that SD has treated Tatis and Gore as both strictly off limits up to this point)
At first blush, trading current MLB talent for prospects doesn't seem to fit with where NYY are at right now, but adding a couple of elite prospects back to the farm would be a good move in the long game if they think 2B/3B/SS are all settled for the foreseeable future.
If Harper ends up back in Washington and the Yanks get Machado, things may get very interesting.
I know it is getting several steps ahead, but what if the Dodgers approach the Yanks with an offer they can't refuse for Stanton? That might resolve the Yanks' Andujar issue in one move- simply replace Stanton at DH with Andujar- which probably works best for everyone.
Bottomline is that Harper and Machado are waiting on either each other or some other domino that needs to fall. Nobody is sitting around still trying to decide between chocolate and vanilla.
The latter two points are unsurprising.
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I'm not sure what it says about the Machado market. But sources in touch with the #Yankees & #Phillies say they're both focused heavily on the bullpen market this week.
#Yankees in on Britton, Ottavino, Robertson. #Phillies also in that mix, but lots of Robertson talk there.
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BREAKING: David Robertson has agreed to a two-year deal with the Phillies that guarantees him at least $23 million. Hell earn $10M in 2019, $11M in 2020, with a $12M club option ($2M buyout) for 2021. Hes passed a physical and the deal is complete.
I'm not sure the Yanks get two big ticket relievers.
They already have Chapman, Betances, Green, Holder and Kahnle as near locks for the pen.
Then, there is a second group who might make the team made up of Cessa (out of options so bullpen or let go), Cole (same as Cessa), and Tarpley.
There is a third group of guys who could be fill-ins for injury or ineffectiveness such as Harvey and Feyereisen.
I think the Yanks MIGHT only go for one of the big ticket FA- with Robertson going to the Phillies, my guess would be one of Britton or Ottavino.
I don't think he was healthy last year at any point- and he was very good before that. Not to mention that the Yanks offered him arbitration instead of letting him walk. Indicates he is more in their plans than not.
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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
I'm not sure the Yanks get two big ticket relievers.
They already have Chapman, Betances, Green, Holder and Kahnle as near locks for the pen.
Then, there is a second group who might make the team made up of Cessa (out of options so bullpen or let go), Cole (same as Cessa), and Tarpley.
There is a third group of guys who could be fill-ins for injury or ineffectiveness such as Harvey and Feyereisen.
I think the Yanks MIGHT only go for one of the big ticket FA- with Robertson going to the Phillies, my guess would be one of Britton or Ottavino.
They do have internal options - they may even want to give Loaisaga a look as a RP. I still think German's swing and miss stuff is intriguing and I could see him carving out a role if he can get his stuff a little more controlled.
But I do remember Cashman saying they felt they needed to add 2 RP's IIRC.. probably knowing they'd lose Robertson. So, I could see them going after Ottavino to cover the loss of Robertson and then just bring Britton back. I'm not sure how much they'll rely on Kahnle - obviously Chappy, Betances, Green, and Holder should all be locks. Tarpley pitched pretty well too - I could see him being a lefty option.
Cole and Cessa stink, IMO. I would only want to have them in mop up roles or use Cessa as a spot starter in an emergency.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!
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My guess is Machado, Ottavino, and Britton wind up Yankees. I don't see Realmuto being in the plans. That would surprise me.
My guess: Britton and Harper wind up Yankees. Wishful thinking maybe.
p.s.--Followed by a three-team trade with the Dodgers and Indians in which the Yankees get Kluber (or Bauer), the Dodgers get Stanton, and the Indians get Verdugo and Abreu (or Loasiga)!
Yes, I would say any scenario that has NYY winding up with Harper, Britton and Kluber would be somewhat wishful thinking. :)
I'd certainly sign up for it, though.
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He also has been promised the starting SS job as long as Didi is out- so long as he is healthy.
I wonder if this was a vote of confidence in him by the Yanks?
Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
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Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.
Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.
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Rosenthal & Heyman saying he's close to signing. 3 yr deal.
Done deal. 3 years, 4th year option.
Looks like it is really a two year deal. After the two years, the Yanks have to decide whether to exericse a second two year option or not. If they don't Britton can elect FA or select his option for one more season.
I really like these multiple option deals. They protect both the player and the team. The answer to 10 years deals. Plenty of outs and also helps the player.