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nygiants16 : 1/1/2019 11:24 pm
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I'm cool with it  
illmatic : 1/1/2019 11:33 pm : link
Hopefully it doesn't signal Manny signing with Philly though. I can't see why Tulowitzki signs with the Yankees to be a bench player. You'd think one of the interested teams would give him a chance to be a daily player.
That's big news  
JPinstripes : 1/1/2019 11:34 pm : link
Jeff Passan
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Free agent shortstop Troy Tulowitzki is in agreement on a deal with the New York Yankees pending a physical, league sources tell ESPN. Tulowitzki is expected to join the Yankees on a league-minimum deal, with the Toronto Blue Jays paying the remainder of his $20 million salary.
Gotta imagine Machado is  
mattyblue : 1/1/2019 11:34 pm : link
signing elsewhere then.
I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
PetesHereNow : 1/1/2019 11:35 pm : link
Toronto is paying the salary.
I am a huge  
JPinstripes : 1/1/2019 11:36 pm : link
Tulo fan. I hope he's healthy. Lottery ticket for NYY.
RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
mattyblue : 1/1/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14243655 PetesHereNow said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.


I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.
League minimum contract  
GiantJake : 1/1/2019 11:37 pm : link
No risk for the Yanks. They can see if he has anything left after not playing last season. I prefer the Yanks leave Gleyber Torres at 2B and let Tulo, Tyler Wade, Thairo Estrada and Hanser Alberto compete at SS. Hopefully, Didi is ready in the second half of the season anyway.
RE: RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
robbieballs2003 : 1/1/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14243658 mattyblue said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.



I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.


That's an assumption. Here is another. Maybe the Yanks have an offer for Andujar that they like?
RE: RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
PetesHereNow : 1/1/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14243658 mattyblue said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.



I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.


Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.

Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.

If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
JPinstripes : 1/1/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14243664 PetesHereNow said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.



I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.



Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.

Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.

If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.


I think Harper is in play now.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think this changes the pursuit of Machado  
mattyblue : 1/1/2019 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14243664 PetesHereNow said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.



I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.



Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.

Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.

If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.


All very true. Tulo looked like he was going to be a hall of farmer early in his career, the amount of injuries he has sustained is mind blowing.
I  
mitch300 : 1/1/2019 11:44 pm : link
Take it as maybe Andujar is going to get traded.
RE: I'm cool with it  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/1/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14243650 illmatic said:
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Hopefully it doesn't signal Manny signing with Philly though. I can't see why Tulowitzki signs with the Yankees to be a bench player. You'd think one of the interested teams would give him a chance to be a daily player.


It's questionable whether his body can handle being an everyday player at this point. Maybe he realizes that. I wouldn't say this signing means anything at all regarding Manny Machado.
RE: Gotta imagine Machado is  
Ssanders9816 : 1/1/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14243653 mattyblue said:
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signing elsewhere then.


Hopefully, but this has absolutely nothing to do with that and absolutely has no impact on Machado.
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mattyblue : 1/1/2019 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14243666 JPinstripes said:
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Toronto is paying the salary.



I didnt realize Toronto was picking that much up, nonetheless if Machado was coming he is on the bench if he wanted to play he wouldnt sign here.



Tulo is probably okay with the idea of being a vet influence and mentor over young Gleyber and Andujar. I can't imagine he thinks he's starting 140 games for the Yanks.

Plus, now if you sign Machado, you are free to make Andujar a big piece of a trade for an ace SP.

If you don't sign Machado, maybe you turn your attention to Mr. Harper.



I think Harper is in play now.


Id love that! It would definitely be a surprise as I dont recall a player that Cashman has ever said they werent interested in as much as Harper. If we signed Harper I wonder if we would try to deal Stanton or even Frazier if he is able to play well in ST.
What could the  
mattyblue : 1/1/2019 11:53 pm : link
Yankees get for Hicks? While not the ideal defensive outfield Judge, Harper, Gardener/Frazier with Stanton spelling Judge would be pretty wild. I also dont see the Yanks retaining Hicks after this year as he will get expensive and other salaries are coming down the road.
TT has never played 2B  
shyster : 1/2/2019 12:19 am : link
Yes, Andujar could be traded.

But what about when Didi comes back? The backup IF has to be able to play 2B.

I don't rule it out though. Maybe they think he can learn.
Tulo  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/2/2019 1:41 am : link
I didnt realize hes still a tive; thought he was out of ball
Tulo  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/2/2019 1:42 am : link
I didnt realize hes still active; thought he was out of ball
My guess is that neither Harper nor Machado...  
M.S. : 1/2/2019 5:59 am : link

...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.

Hal and Hank love cash flow.

RE: Tulo  
Les in TO : 1/2/2019 6:12 am : link
In comment 14243694 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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I didnt realize hes still active; thought he was out of ball
he missed all last season after surgery to his heel. Great player but often injured and a bit of a locker room diva
I think  
mdthedream : 1/2/2019 6:32 am : link
he feels he is playing for Didi until he gets back. This also gives the Yankees room if they want to trade Andujar for a stud pitcher. Give them options while Didi gets healthy.
This doesnt change anything  
Tuckrule : 1/2/2019 6:50 am : link
Tulo had the same surgeries that cespedes is getting. Hes a league minimum guy and has no impact on manny. Hes insurance. Dont let the name fool you. This is like when we signed Brendan Ryan.
Really don't know what to think about this signing  
TheMick7 : 1/2/2019 6:50 am : link
Yes,for the minimum it's no risk. Tulo has always wanted to be a Yankee. Passan says no impact on Manny pursuit so if that is truly the case (I don't trust Hal,especially if he can do it on the cheap instead of Manny & stay under the cap),does it mean (as others have mentioned) that Andujar is in play for a trade? Tulo has only played SS his entire career so he'd have to learn 3B/2B to replace Walker as the utility Infielder.If Manny is still in play & an Andujar trade is being considered,they'd have to bring in another infielder (glove) to back up Tulo because of his injury history. I hope this is just a too good a deal to pass up & anything they get from Tulo would be a plus & has no effect on any moves going forward. But,I always worry about Bottom Line Hal!
I don't think Tulo is an everyday  
section125 : 1/2/2019 7:25 am : link
player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.

Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.
I don't think the Yankees expect Tulo to be an every day player.  
Ira : 1/2/2019 7:29 am : link
He's probably a pinch hitter, a dh and an emergency replacement for injured infielders.
RE: I don't think Tulo is an everyday  
nygnyy274 : 1/2/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14243738 section125 said:
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player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.

Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.


Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year
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section125 : 1/2/2019 7:44 am : link
In comment 14243743 nygnyy274 said:
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player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.

Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.



Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year


This signing has nothing to do with the pen. I would never doubt Cash and the pen. The Yanks have practically invented the deep pen and he knows the advantage the Yanks had over virtually every team in baseball is their pen.
They'll get at least one of Britton, Robertson and Ottavino. Likely two.

Sonny Gray will be dealt when Cash sees what pieces they need after FA. Things likely speed up after the Tulo signing. Now he has a vet IF with SS experience. Gleyber probably stays at 2nd.

But we do not know what Hal is thinking...
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BigBlueShock : 1/2/2019 7:45 am : link
In comment 14243743 nygnyy274 said:
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player anymore. He could be this year's Neil Walker. But geez, if they go with Tulo over Manny what a shit show that would be.

Now, how about Tulo to 1B? He is a SS, likely can play 3B and I have now doubt with his glove he can play 1B, also.



Im not liking this off-season so far also we might be two short in the pen if Robinson and Britton sign elsewhere also when is Sonny Gray going to be dealt? Im getting nervous he will be here this year

Good lord. The calendar just flipped to January. Give it time. Aside from that, Herve already added what is likely the best SP available in Paxton.

Patience...
Excellent get by the Yankees  
jpkmets : 1/2/2019 8:00 am : link
As others have said it's zero risk financially -- it's a great hedge against possible complications in Didi's surgery and allows flexibility. If he's really done, he costs nothing.
I mean, ok. Whatever. He's a guy.  
Heisenberg : 1/2/2019 8:18 am : link
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He's probably the best defensive  
arniefez : 1/2/2019 8:25 am : link
3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.
RE: He's probably the best defensive  
section125 : 1/2/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14243782 arniefez said:
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3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.


I agree with this. RAB saying that Tulo doesn't want to be a utility player. I can't see that. At this point, that is what he is until proven otherwise.
He is likely the hedge on Didi, Andujar and 1B and at league minimum, he can be let go without much penalty if he cannot cut it in ST.
TT has apparently been signed with the representation  
shyster : 1/2/2019 8:32 am : link
that he will be the opening day shortstop. This is per Jeff Passan's follow-up tweet and is Axisa's interpretation.

Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.

It's not just a flyer.
There is some upside there...  
Dunedin81 : 1/2/2019 8:33 am : link
and minimal risk (just the loss of a fringe 40-man guy). But he's probably not a shortstop, even on a part-time basis. I don't think it precludes a Manny Machado signing, if anything it probably makes it a little more likely. A Galvis signing, by contrast, would have probably have signaled Machado's market got out of hand.
I like it  
Bill2 : 1/2/2019 8:35 am : link
Tiny pressure and increased optionality in every direction ( Andujar, Machado, Harper) and slightly lower risk for the Yankees.


A lot of leg injuries go away with some kinds of heel spur removals. So let's see.

Lots of teams would like a hitter fielder like Tulo for the minimum payment possible.
RE: TT has apparently been signed with the representation  
section125 : 1/2/2019 8:36 am : link
In comment 14243786 shyster said:
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that he will be the opening day shortstop. This is per Jeff Passan's follow-up tweet and is Axisa's interpretation.

Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.

It's not just a flyer.


Are you talking about the RAB article on the signing? If so Mike seems to think Tulo has accepted he might be a utility guy.
RE: RE: TT has apparently been signed with the representation  
shyster : 1/2/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14243794 section125 said:
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that he will be the opening day shortstop. This is per Jeff Passan's follow-up tweet and is Axisa's interpretation.

Of course, if he totally bombs in spring training, Yanks can go to Plan B, but by then options other than Tyler Wade are largely off the table.

It's not just a flyer.



Are you talking about the RAB article on the signing? If so Mike seems to think Tulo has accepted he might be a utility guy.


I re-read the article and don't see it that way. Axisa says TT looks to the be starting SS per Passan and per his own statement to clubs that he doesn't want to be utility guy.

He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.
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section125 : 1/2/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14243801 shyster said:
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He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.


We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.

If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.
I do think that this suggests that Machado is going elsewhere.  
yatqb : 1/2/2019 8:55 am : link
Too bad, but Tulo is certainly a decent fill in for Didi, if he can still field the position.
RE: I like it  
Dunedin81 : 1/2/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14243791 Bill2 said:
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Tiny pressure and increased optionality in every direction ( Andujar, Machado, Harper) and slightly lower risk for the Yankees.


A lot of leg injuries go away with some kinds of heel spur removals. So let's see.

Lots of teams would like a hitter fielder like Tulo for the minimum payment possible.


I think even if his leg injuries healed, he'd still be up against Father Time. Only four shortstops with 500+ innings last year were in their age 30 season or beyond, and of them only Brandon Crawford and Elvis Andrus could be said to be around league average defensively.
Dunedin  
Bill2 : 1/2/2019 9:09 am : link
I am guessing in the long run there is also pressure and back up on/for Wade. If he can hit 260 and field well...the overall offense can handle that?
Definitely...  
Dunedin81 : 1/2/2019 9:13 am : link
especially because he is patient, and he provides a speed dimension they haven't had since Ellsbury first got to the team, back when Gardner could still steal bases.
RE: I do think that this suggests that Machado is going elsewhere.  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/2/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14243822 yatqb said:
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Too bad, but Tulo is certainly a decent fill in for Didi, if he can still field the position.


@BNightengale
The #Yankees informed Manny Machado days ago that they were signing Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to minimum contract as a no-risk move. Tulo has played only 66 games the last 2 seasons.
RE: He's probably the best defensive  
rich in DC : 1/2/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14243782 arniefez said:
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3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.


This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.
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JPinstripes : 1/2/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14243913 rich in DC said:
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3B and 1B on the roster now. League minimum signing just a lottery ticket for depth and has no impact on the big picture.



This is nonsense- Tulo has never played 1B or 3B. Assuming that he can just because he is a SS is akin to saying that Bird is the Yanks best defensive C because he played 1B. I have no idea where people get these crazy ideas.


What's your take of the Tulo signing Rich?
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rich in DC : 1/2/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14243810 section125 said:
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He says TT could stick around as utility if he changes his mind. He does not say he has accepted that now.



We will disagree(I did overstate he agreed to be utility). The third paragraph backs your assertion of he said, she said, the fourth sort of disputes it.

If Tulo can start at SS, I'm ok. But I doubt he can go everyday.


We need to keep in mind that Tulo was an outstanding defensive SS in Colorado- right up through 2014. He had a rough 2015 in Colorado, though he played flawlessly with the Jays in 39 games in 2015.

He was very good in 128 games in 2016 with Toronto- also remembering that he was playing on the turf up there, which plays faster than grass (meaning it the SS needs to cover more ground and is challenged more on turf).

I think the 2017 numbers need to be thrown out because he had hamstring issues and the heel spurs in both feet. Now that the issue is resolved, I would take the 2016 defensive numbers from any SS.

Also, I would recommend looking at Tulo's last healthy season- 2016- and see what he did with the bat. That isn't far off of Didi's numbers- which is more than anyone available would be able to offer at SS.

I would also suggest looking down the page a bit and look at the "Player Value--Batting section." While this has the analytic numbers for his hitting, look at the column titled "dWAR," which is the amount of his WAR attributed to his defensive contributions. Note that in his whole career, he has just a single season of negative dWAR (I am not counting his 25 game cup of coffee before his rookie season). Even in his injury plagued 2017, he still had a dWAR of 0.1.

I think we are getting too far out over our skis if we are assuming that he will not be able to handle SS defensively. The numbers bear out that even when injured, he still plays an excellent defense.

Now, I don't think that we can anticipate him playing 140+ games- I think that even if Didi can't come back this season, I suspect the best case scenario is closer to 125 games max- maybe even only 115.

I think that this might be a sign that the Yanks are inclined to carry Wade as the reserve INF because he is a solid SS and 2B- and he may be asked to play up to 2 times a week- especially on day games after a night game or doubleheaders.
Tulo's stats - ( New Window )
What the hell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/2/2019 10:05 am : link
is this supposed to mean and what evidence is there to support it??

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My guess is that neither Harper nor Machado...
M.S. : 5:59 am : link : reply

...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.

Hal and Hank love cash flow.


One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.
RE: What the hell..  
rich in DC : 1/2/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14243963 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is this supposed to mean and what evidence is there to support it??



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My guess is that neither Harper nor Machado...
M.S. : 5:59 am : link : reply

...will be wearing pinstripes in 2019.

Hal and Hank love cash flow.



One of the oddest jabs at ownership I've seen.


That is one of those posters who swallowed RAB's inane "analysis" that says the Yanks spend only a small fraction of their revenues on payroll and should spend more- I had a huge rant on why that belief is not only counterproductive but would hurt the Yanks in the long run.

Too many people don't think critically and just parrot that latest fad idea they read without thinking about the big picture of what they are parroting.
FMIC  
Bill2 : 1/2/2019 10:24 am : link
Makes perfect sense.

1) Hal and Hank love cash flow so their biggest cash flow concern is the attendance at the back end of the season. So making the playoffs matters a lot to store more months of flow (as players, scouts, minors and employee expenses get paid 12 months a year).

So having a team go as far as possible into the playoffs immensely helps the draw down of working capital ( minimizing the enormous working capital lines they already have if they needed) which occurs each offseason


2) Since employee pay is a fraction...a fraction of revenue...increases to revenue matters much more to bottom line cash flow than increases to any employee expense


3) Since Yankee player labor expense is less as a percentage than found in the auto industry, the consulting, retail banking, legal, engineering or IT hardware or software services world ( all reasonable and sustainable bottom line business models)...the attention of management should be on growing revenue and letting more revenue drop to produce more cash flow.

4) Since prices are somewhat bound...getting more people to the ballpark to see more great teams...leads to more cash flow

SO, FMIC; MS is totally right. Hal and Hank care the most about cash flow. In all of the top three ways you could add to cash flow this means that adding talent reasonably correlates to more cash flow and more probability of very desirable end of season cash flow.

Once again...great minds are ahead of you FMIC. Maybe sit bake and learn from all the collected wisdom available to you?


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