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Milton : 1/2/2019 4:41 am
Boylhart added a bunch more prospects today, including Daniel Jones, Will Grier, Ryan Finley, Joey Bosa, and a few more. He likes Daniel Jones a lot...
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Daniel reminds me a lot of the Giants Eli Manning...He has the arm talent and accuracy to make teams defend his ability to pass the ball down the field opening up the running game. His mechanics are mature moving his feet consistently to keep his balance when under pressure in the pocket. Daniel does an excellent job managing the game plan and is like a coach on the field helping his teammates at all times. The potential to be a Franchise quarterback is what you get when you select Daniel and I think in this draft if you want him you just might have to trade up to get him.

He likes Ryan Finley, too, but I would worry that "just enough atheism" is too much atheism for Dave "touched by the hand of God" Gettleman...
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Ryan is an accomplished, smart quarterback. He has the size and arm talent go along with just enough atheism to play in any style of pro offense for the team that selects him.

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Unlike Eli...  
SHO'NUFF : 1/2/2019 5:08 am : link
Jones can run. I want a dual-threat QB. Outside of Kyler Murray, Jones might be the next best.
Jones is a guy that I'm interested in.  
Optimus-NY : 1/2/2019 5:14 am : link
Let's see how high he'll be picked. I'd guess end of Dy 1/Round 1 like the running QB on the Ravens.
RE: Jones is a guy that I'm interested in.  
Milton : 1/2/2019 5:38 am : link
In comment 14243704 Optimus-NY said:
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Let's see how high he'll be picked. I'd guess end of Dy 1/Round 1 like the running QB on the Ravens.
It depends on what teams do in free agency, but he could easily go in the top five if he is seen as the best QB in the class. None of the draftniks (other than Boylhart) had Baker Mayfield as the top QB at this time of year, so I would be reluctant to project where any of them will go at this point. If Gettleman likes Jones (or any QB), he should be worried about Coughlin jumping in front of him (the same way Coughlin swooped in on Norwell out of nowhere when everyone had him projected to the Giants).
Good point Milt  
Optimus-NY : 1/2/2019 6:46 am : link
I was just milling around the board and I think mdc1 made a great point. He said "we need hungry and desperate players not ones that are content and happy". This doesn't necessarily correlate to Jones, but it does to getting the right young id in here. Once the Giants draft a guy they deem "their guy" going forward, then to me, more than ever, it's time to let Eli go. We've got to take the plunge sooner or later on one of these kids. Jones checks off all the boxes, so I would not be surprised if they pick him.
Considering everyone else has questioned Finleyís arm  
Mike in NY : 1/2/2019 6:46 am : link
I wonder what Drew sees that is different.
Good point about the Cleveland QB too Milt  
Optimus-NY : 1/2/2019 6:48 am : link
He certainly looks like the real deal too, so the pundits seem to be right about him in relation ot the other QBs.
No to Finley ...  
Spider56 : 1/2/2019 7:26 am : link
Iím a big NCSU fan and Finley was a very good college QB ... but he does not have the arm strength to throw the deep outs and he did not rise up in the big games. He benefitted from having excellent WRs who could go get the 50 / 50s.
On Grier, a comment is...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 7:31 am : link
ďHe can be as inconsistent as Ryan Fitzpatrick is with an exciting come from behind win one game, and the very next game, looking like he never played the position ending in a demoralizing losing disaster...Ē

Outside of the Friday night disaster Ames, where the entire team laid an egg, and that happens to nearly every player, what the hell season was this guy watching?



RE: RE: Jones is a guy that I'm interested in.  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 7:33 am : link
In comment 14243708 Milton said:
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Let's see how high he'll be picked. I'd guess end of Dy 1/Round 1 like the running QB on the Ravens.

It depends on what teams do in free agency, but he could easily go in the top five if he is seen as the best QB in the class. None of the draftniks (other than Boylhart) had Baker Mayfield as the top QB at this time of year, so I would be reluctant to project where any of them will go at this point. If Gettleman likes Jones (or any QB), he should be worried about Coughlin jumping in front of him (the same way Coughlin swooped in on Norwell out of nowhere when everyone had him projected to the Giants).


I would wager that Coughlin will trade up not just ahead of us, but also Tampa. Coughlin isn't getting any younger and even though the triumvirate received a vote of confidence, he knows the NFL stands for Not For Long. Bortles will not be their starter (he might remain as backup just because of his contract). I also don't believe Tampa in their public statements re: Winston being their guy.
I think the Jags  
BigBlueShock : 1/2/2019 7:40 am : link
are much more likely to go out and add a veteran QB like Foles or Bridgewater than they are to trade picks to move up for a rookie QB. That team was in the AFC championship game just one season ago and Coughlin isnít getting any younger. I doubt they are going to want to wait until a rookie QB develops, IMO.
What was the consensus on  
section125 : 1/2/2019 8:00 am : link
Haskins?
I took the Mrs to the movies last night and did not see the second half of the Rose Bowl.
I thought he looked good making his reads, looking off safeties (as they showed in the telecast) but he side arms some throws. He saw an all out blitz, stood in, made the right throw and got blasted (late 2nd qtr?). He has a strong arm.
I think there is a lot to this kid.

BTW, I thought Dungey from Syracuse looked about as good as anyone else. I did not see Jones.
RE: I think the Jags  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14243747 BigBlueShock said:
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are much more likely to go out and add a veteran QB like Foles or Bridgewater than they are to trade picks to move up for a rookie QB. That team was in the AFC championship game just one season ago and Coughlin isnít getting any younger. I doubt they are going to want to wait until a rookie QB develops, IMO.


It is a possibility. Just reading the tea leaves, but with the guarantees being voided of Fournette's (on appeal), he very well can be packaged to move up without sacrificing future picks without affecting their cap. Speaking of which, they are in trouble. They will likely release Malik Jackson and AJ Bouye to save on the cap, but right now with no moves being made, they are projected to be over the increased cap. They still have young talent to sign (Ramsey, Ngakoue, etc.) so they may not have the ability to sign a vet FA QB.
I can't believe  
mittenedman : 1/2/2019 8:14 am : link
how underrated Jones is by the masses right now.

I'm with Boylhart - the Giants are probably going to have to trade up to get him. He's got everything, including much better mobility than a pocket passer should have.

You probably couldn't make a better "Giants QB" prospect in a lab. He's the pick but we'll have to fight for him IMO.
RE: What was the consensus on  
Strahan91 : 1/2/2019 8:18 am : link
In comment 14243759 section125 said:
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Haskins?
I took the Mrs to the movies last night and did not see the second half of the Rose Bowl.
I thought he looked good making his reads, looking off safeties (as they showed in the telecast) but he side arms some throws. He saw an all out blitz, stood in, made the right throw and got blasted (late 2nd qtr?). He has a strong arm.
I think there is a lot to this kid.

BTW, I thought Dungey from Syracuse looked about as good as anyone else. I did not see Jones.

Had a great first half. Did less in the second half. He wasn't under pressure much (as was the case all year). His eye manipulation is top notch. Rare trait to see in a kid so young with so little experience.
I think Jones, Haskins, Lock and Grier  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 8:21 am : link
will all go in the first round. Whether they deserve to or no.
RE: I think Jones, Haskins, Lock and Grier  
Optimus-NY : 1/2/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14243778 jeff57 said:
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will all go in the first round. Whether they deserve to or no.


I think you're right.
I have the opposite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/2/2019 8:46 am : link
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I can't believe
mittenedman : 8:14 am : link : reply
how underrated Jones is by the masses right now.

I'm with Boylhart - the Giants are probably going to have to trade up to get him. He's got everything, including much better mobility than a pocket passer should have.

You probably couldn't make a better "Giants QB" prospect in a lab. He's the pick but we'll have to fight for him IMO.


Duke was supposed to be a contender for the ACC Coastal title this year. Instead they finished next to last. And Jones came up small in a few pivotal games, including a 59-7 loss to Wake Forest at home.

This was probably the season I've seen more college football games live than any other. Saw almost every Clemson home game, went to see Duke-wake and I was really interested to see Jones. The two games I saw him, it wasn't just the performance, he didn't look good at all compared to the QB's on the other side of the ball. And if you look at his stats, his best season was when he was a redshirt FR, and last year, he had a 56.7% completion %.

I just don't see much from him that screams he's an NFL-ready starter.
Fat-Mara nailed it on Jones...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 8:50 am : link
and I totally agree.

2019 is off to a very strange start...
you know the whole  
blueblood : 1/2/2019 9:40 am : link
" touched by the hand of God " comment has gotten so blown out of proportion....

it means Barkley has some talent and abilities you cannot teach or learn.. for example his balance,athleticism at his size.. his start stop ability..

you could say the same thing for LT or Barry Sanders. They did things on the football field others simply cannot do..

thats all he is saying. The have a God-given natural talent..



RE: RE: I think the Jags  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14243761 Diver_Down said:
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are much more likely to go out and add a veteran QB like Foles or Bridgewater than they are to trade picks to move up for a rookie QB. That team was in the AFC championship game just one season ago and Coughlin isnít getting any younger. I doubt they are going to want to wait until a rookie QB develops, IMO.



It is a possibility. Just reading the tea leaves, but with the guarantees being voided of Fournette's (on appeal), he very well can be packaged to move up without sacrificing future picks without affecting their cap. Speaking of which, they are in trouble. They will likely release Malik Jackson and AJ Bouye to save on the cap, but right now with no moves being made, they are projected to be over the increased cap. They still have young talent to sign (Ramsey, Ngakoue, etc.) so they may not have the ability to sign a vet FA QB.


They'll get $18M in cap relief when Bortles is waived.
Jones was awful against UVA, too  
Greg from LI : 1/2/2019 9:44 am : link
We had a pretty good defense, but still....picked him off 3 times.
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Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 9:49 am : link
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are much more likely to go out and add a veteran QB like Foles or Bridgewater than they are to trade picks to move up for a rookie QB. That team was in the AFC championship game just one season ago and Coughlin isnít getting any younger. I doubt they are going to want to wait until a rookie QB develops, IMO.



It is a possibility. Just reading the tea leaves, but with the guarantees being voided of Fournette's (on appeal), he very well can be packaged to move up without sacrificing future picks without affecting their cap. Speaking of which, they are in trouble. They will likely release Malik Jackson and AJ Bouye to save on the cap, but right now with no moves being made, they are projected to be over the increased cap. They still have young talent to sign (Ramsey, Ngakoue, etc.) so they may not have the ability to sign a vet FA QB.



They'll get $18M in cap relief when Bortles is waived.


I didn't do a deep dive into their cap situation. I just know that Malik is expecting his release based on local news reporting for the past month. While they can't have Blake as the starter, it will be a difficult decision to cast him aside before FA starts and a month before the draft. What if the market is more than they can pay in FA and they had already released Blake? They are stuck heading into the draft with Cody at the top of the depth chart. Pretty much telegraphs to the other teams what their draft intention is.
Would prefer  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:44 am : link
Haskins to Jones. Jones just kinda seems like a dud to me.
I just don't understand what people see in Jones  
Jay on the Island : 1/2/2019 10:55 am : link
I agree with Boylhart that he reminds me of Eli but I see a poor man's Eli in terms of throwing talent but with more athleticism. The only QB I would consider in round 1 is Haskins but the Giants need to be convinced of his upside because I have too many concerns right now to use a top 10 pick on him. I would prefer to sit out and use a 4th on a QB like Taylor Cornelius or Gardner Mineshaw.
Maybe through the scouting process  
j_rud : 1/2/2019 10:57 am : link
the team feels there is a franchise QB available. In which case we'll just have to sit on our hands and play wait and see. But I'll be nervous as hell. None of them inspire a ton of confidence IMO. Someone said in another thread (on USA Todays mock draft) that it has a Cedric Jones type draft feel to it, and its hard to disagree at this (very early) point. 6 feels like prime position to miss out on some blue chip talent and reach on a nect tier guy bc theres no clear cut option.
RE: Maybe through the scouting process  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14244058 j_rud said:
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the team feels there is a franchise QB available. In which case we'll just have to sit on our hands and play wait and see. But I'll be nervous as hell. None of them inspire a ton of confidence IMO. Someone said in another thread (on USA Todays mock draft) that it has a Cedric Jones type draft feel to it, and its hard to disagree at this (very early) point. 6 feels like prime position to miss out on some blue chip talent and reach on a nect tier guy bc theres no clear cut option.


This draft has a lot more talent than that one.
Iím a Jones supporter  
GoDeep13 : 1/2/2019 3:43 pm : link
And the only QB Iíd take over him is Murray if he declares. Joneís O-line is bad and he only had one half way decent receiver to work with. Played I thought he played well in games where competition was near even level and against teams that recruit better and generally have better talent across the board he struggled (which is to be expected).

Still has the best mechanics and the best blend of mobility and passing in the class (next to potentially Murray).
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