You don’t have to say it. We know it’s way too early and so much will change, especially after the combine. Still, for discussion purposes only, the top 6 picks:
1-Cards: Joey Bosa, DE
2-Niners: Q. Williams, DT
3-Jets: Jonah Williams, OT
4-Raiders: Josh Allen, OLB/DE
5-Bucs: Greedy Williams, CB
6-Giants: Dwayne Haskins, QB
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Agree with this, all QBs look like a reach at 6 and Id include Herbert if he was coming out. Go BPA here, I think the QB value in this draft is rds 2 and 3.
What do you mean?
What don’t you see in Haskins in your opinion to make you say he’s not worthy of being picked #6 by us?
Even so, despite my intense desire that this franchise gets off its ass and solves their QB-of-the-future problem, I can’t endorse taking any QB at #6.
This is really the ideal year to get the hell out of that spot and trade down.
****If could find a willing trading partner****
Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.
Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.
Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
Two quick questions:
1-Could a great combine/Pro Day change your mind re QBs early?
2-Does this Jonah Williams project more to ORT?
Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.
Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
I thought Washington's defense was supposed to be pretty good? But I can agree that I have some reservation on Haskins, but I saw some good things yesterday (field vision, standing in against the blitz) that I liked and some I did not - side arm throws, plus the Urban Meyer effect.
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It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.
Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.
Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
I thought Washington's defense was supposed to be pretty good? But I can agree that I have some reservation on Haskins, but I saw some good things yesterday (field vision, standing in against the blitz) that I liked and some I did not - side arm throws, plus the Urban Meyer effect.
125, I haven't watched the Rose Bowl yet. Washington plays hard, but still some Boise St effect there with how they recruit and build a football program (speed over size).
BB56, TBD on Haskins. Combines could have an effect, that's where NFL coaches will test him in structured scenarios that will better shed light on his skills. I don't put as much stock in pro days but they can help as well (see Darnold 2018). As for Jonah, I think his floor is high but upside ceiling might be higher if he kicks inside to LG. Suspect his roster listing is generous ...
Based upon Haskins stats this season he would have to be in the conversation.
I want to know if he is a system QB ?
There are many highly touted OSU QBs who have not succeeded in the NFL.
The OSU line gives him so much time, most of his passes are underneath, and he has excellent receivers.
What happens when he is under duress?
Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.
Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
Thanks JonC, I appreciate your feedback.
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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.
Agree with this, all QBs look like a reach at 6 and Id include Herbert if he was coming out. Go BPA here, I think the QB value in this draft is rds 2 and 3.
The Giants need to be in the market for a potential franchise QB. I don't see that person available in FA. If the QB value is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, they're probably not projected to be franchise QBs. If that's the case, don't even bother drafting one. The next QB the Giants draft needs to be someone they have a conviction about and that means the 1st round.
If we go QB, I like Will Grier.
JonC you know better... you know QB's always move up the draft chart..
Haskins back to pass.
Haskins looks the field over.
Haskins answers a text.
Haskins looks the field over again.
Haskins answers another text.
Haskins hit a very open receiver.
I’ll say this. In the second half, the Huskies got some good pressure. And we saw Haskins look very ordinary.
I don't think this draft has the blue chip power of most drafts.
He stepped up in the pocket (or should I say tunnel.) cause the defensive end was forced to go wide. Then he threw a nice pass to a guy picking his ass waiting for the ball....haha
In all honesty.... what Haskins did yesterday was no different than what he did all year. He made some really nice throws not under duress. And he threw some crappy ones when he was.
The thing we dont know is can he throw some nice balls while consistently under duress.
The problem with that draft was we reached for Jones based on need. There was a lot of talent we missed out on because of that. This team needs an injection of talent. We struck out on two top ten picks in he last 5 years. We can’t afford another miss. There will be a lot of good players available at #6. I have no doubt about it. My fear is that they reach for a QB. As Jon C said, this QB class isn’t exactly inspiring great confidence.
Cause we dont see the value or see better player?
Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
Haskins back to pass.
Haskins looks the field over.
Haskins answers a text.
Haskins looks the field over again.
Haskins answers another text.
Haskins hit a very open receiver.
I’ll say this. In the second half, the Huskies got some good pressure. And we saw Haskins look very ordinary.
BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football that’s a problem?
Agree, I don’t get why we’re so unwilling to turn the page at QB.
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.
ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.
ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson
ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
Just a gut feeling, but this seems like an OL/DB first round to me.
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.
ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.
ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson
ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
The second, third and first fourth round pick won't last that long.
BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football that’s a problem?
What great offensive teams did they play? I was told context is important. This would be example of it.
Solder - Hernandez - Biadasz/Pulley/Halapio - Brown - Williams
First, I don’t think anything of Washington’s supposed top ranked D because they play in the putrid PAC 12. I think that distorts their numbers. Are they good? They are decent on D. But no one is confusing that D with Bama, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, etc.
Secondly, I think Haskins is a good prospect with some interesting physical attributes. But I don’t see this elite talent worthy of a high round investment. That system gives him time, space, and great skilled players to throw to. He’s a better QB than JD Barrett but look at the numbers Barrett put up last year...and he wasn’t what I would call an elite thrower of the ball.
So I’m just being cautious and measured on Haskins. I think he’s more project than sure thing...
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BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football that’s a problem?
What great offensive teams did they play? I was told context is important. This would be example of it.
Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
I thought he should have been moved at the end of the 2016 season.
JonC, I’m with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesn’t exist.
These are the things that the scouts will figure out. Its going to be really interesting where these guys grade out come draft time. I could go with either Haskins or Jones frankly. In fact if they get graded a little lower in comparison to other players, someone may get a great value in Rd 2.
Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.
Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?
IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.
he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.
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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.
JonC, I’m with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesn’t exist.
It's picking the best players for your system and maximizing those limited resources, rather than viewing it as waiting for the perfect QB to arrive.
Look at how damaging the failed Flowers and Apple picks were to this franchise. Those were need picks, and fans tend to demand need picks as they only view their football team in the moment, with only the next season in view. NYG picked the best OT and CB on their board out of need in respective drafts and it killed us.
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.
ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.
ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson
ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
Broncos arent giving a 2020 first and a third this year to move up 4 slots. It happening
I thought he should have been moved at the end of the 2016 season.
I hear you. Drafting a QB is risk but it needs to happen sooner rather than later. Waiting until next year is unwise and will cost the Giants multiple and future draft picks.
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.
Cause we dont see the value or see better player?
Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
I have no idea whether Haskins is worthy of the 6th pick, but neither do you or 99% of the posters on BBI. Even our resident scout Sy expressed uncertainty about him and how difficult it is to evaluate QBs.
But you seem to be saying because he has a great line he may not be good under pressure, which conveniently can’t be disproven.
Agreed.
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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.
Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?
IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.
he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.
So the guys rips apart and completely embarrassed the top ranked Michigan defense and “all he did” was pick on a player that shouldn’t have been there. Lol you’re reaching big time to discredit a great performance
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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.
JonC, I’m with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesn’t exist.
It's picking the best players for your system and maximizing those limited resources, rather than viewing it as waiting for the perfect QB to arrive.
Look at how damaging the failed Flowers and Apple picks were to this franchise. Those were need picks, and fans tend to demand need picks as they only view their football team in the moment, with only the next season in view. NYG picked the best OT and CB on their board out of need in respective drafts and it killed us.
I think the Flowers and Apple picks were bad picks based on the scouting/ talent evaluators not the fact that they were needs. We needed a left guard last year so Gettleman picked Hernandez who had a solid year and should improve. The point is you can’t keep ignoring the biggest need/ weakness on this team at the expense of every other player just because you’re afraid it may not work out.
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.
ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.
ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson
ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
I think that's incredibly optimistic. I think Lock and Bryant go earlier and Ridley may go ahead of all the guys you just mentioned except White.
I watched the Washington game, they are a really good college defense and while he didn't have an amazing game, he had a great feel for the pocket and once he settled in, he was throwing dimes all over the field while going through his reads. Good presence in the pocket, not shaky and didn't seem flustered really. Now...you could say he didn't seem flustered because he had lots of time to throw and wasn't really facing a OSU type team on the other side...sure, I accept that argument. But to me, he had the look and feel of "NFL QB" when I was watching him play.
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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.
Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?
IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.
he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.
I can respect your opinion but if not Haskins, who do you think is worthy of being drafted to play QB for us?
I just wish he would tell me how to score some chicks.
So the guys rips apart and completely embarrassed the top ranked Michigan defense and “all he did” was pick on a player that shouldn’t have been there. Lol you’re reaching big time to discredit a great performance
I said he played well. But the fact of the matter is that his OL completey shut down a dominating OL. This cannot be refuted whatsoever. Winovich, Gary, Hudson, etc didnt even touch him. And Brandon Watson was a guy who didnt belong on the field cause he was consistently picked on all year. Re-watch the game. All Haskins did was find whoever he was guarding or whoever Gil was guarding (came in for an injured Bush). Dom Brown played man basically the whole game and Haskins OL gave him all day for his WRs to expose bad players.
I know I am mentioning a ton of guys who you never heard of and probably wouldnt have a clue because you dont know shit about shit. But it makes a difference.
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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.
Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?
IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.
he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.
I can respect your opinion but if not Haskins, who do you think is worthy of being drafted to play QB for us?
I wanted Darnold last year. This year..... I would say either Haskins or Jones maybe in the 2nd round, but not at 6.
Jacob Eason has me intrigued for next year.
That's a tough question. Are we getting Winston without the extra shit? If so yes.
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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.
JonC, I’m with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesn’t exist.
I think it would be good to move on from Eli for several reasons.
One- even with Eli returning, this is NOT a playoff team- too many holes on defense to fix in one off-season.
Two- Eli probably only has one or two good years left- better for him to go to a team ready to compete and needs to buy some time at QB while making a playoff run.
Three- whoever replaces Eli is going to measured against him unfairly. Better to do that with some short term vet QB rather than a rookie who may wilt under that microscope. I think it is better to let the next high pick QB be someone who isn't replacing a franchise legend, but is instead replacing a journeyman.
Winston has the talent to be a franchise QB. It's the mental aspects and consistency that he lacks.
In your hypothetical, are we assuming Haskins has the same decision making issues as Winston?
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is Jameis Winston of the Bucs. Almost the same size, comparable arm strength, both can run ok but don't use it to really gain yards (just to get out of trouble), and both seem like leaders that their team mates like. So would everyone be ok committing to a player like Winston at QB, or would you want better? Remember Winston is still young.
That's a tough question. Are we getting Winston without the extra shit? If so yes.
I think I agree with you. Winston with extra shit would work for me. Have him sit in 2019 and learn behind Eli, then take over in 2020.
If you can get a similarly talented and (hopefully) more mature Winston in the draft, you run to the podium.
Not sure how quickly after the season they run the #s, but Football Outsiders had Mayfield as their top QB from the start:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018
I’d be good with that.
Mayfield
Jackson
Rosen
Darnold
Rudolph
Falk
Lauletta
Allen
Now, it's way too early to make any definitive statements about the QBs, but they look to have nailed the Mayfield pick and you can argue they ranked the top 4 correctly as well.
Did you watch Wentz at all at NDSU?
He jumped off the screen with his arm and athleticism. It was clear he was a D1 player who happened to be playing for a 1-AA school. He was 6'5", 235 and ran a 4.7 forty. Haskins is not the physical specimen that Wentz was/is.
I mean he's a PP. He's not a scrambler. I'm guessing he'll run in the 4.9s or maybe 5's
I'll bet he beats Eli's and Peyton's time - ha ha
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.
If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote
Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. We’re not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If he’s the pick so be it.
The arm strength and accuracy are very impressive.
Height will be interesting. Greater than or equal to 6'3" would be better than 6'2" or less.
Strength wise, he is fine.
It is interesting and encouraging that he seems to be so poised as it relates to moving defenders with his eyes so early in his career.
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.
ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.
ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson
ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
We don’t need an ILB, Tyler Biadasz, if he declares won’t make it to the 3rd round, we need a pass rush badly, and Austin Bryant ain’t it. I’d be ok with Lock in the second but rather Daniel Jones
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.
If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote
Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith.
Can you be lazier with your analysis? Grier plays nothing like Geno Smith. Yes, they both went to Morgantown. After that, there are no similarities.
Can you even think of a team that consistently drafts solely via the BPA approach and supports your claim? I can't.
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.
Cause we dont see the value or see better player?
Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.
Cause we dont see the value or see better player?
Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.
So if I say I like a QB - it doesnt matter either....
Ah the new BBI. Where the posters are shittier than the Giants.
Even Barkley filled a gaping hole (no pun intended) for the Giants though. And with Flowers/Apple the issue is the players taken as much as the positions they tried to fill. If Peat had been selected instead of Flowers, many wouldn't feel like the Giants "reached" for a player, though the result may not have been much better. Similarly, if Reeese had selected Hargreaves (who most draft pundits had ranked higher) the pick wouldn't be considered a reach even though Hargreaves hasn't been much better.
In other words, the issue with the Giants drafting was in evaluating the players themselves and not necessarily how they weight BPA and need.
If they pick an ILB at #6, it's not a great sign regarding the talent level of the top prospects.
As to Haskins - I just don't think he's close to BPA at the #6 spot. And the D is a much, much bigger need in the draft. Don't force a QB pick.
Winston is a low maturity/intelligence gamble. He's got some football moxie and was overrated imo coming off that FSU title team. But, he's been a disappointment (as suspected he would be) in the NFL to far.
I wouldn't use Winston as any sort of shining beacon, nor try to downplay Wentz's college tape.
Ed Oliver at 6? Thoughts on him?
To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.
I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.
R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain
Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.
Cause we dont see the value or see better player?
Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.
So if I say I like a QB - it doesnt matter either....
Ah the new BBI. Where the posters are shittier than the Giants.
Ah, dep - don't kid yourself, you were part of the old BBI too. So some of the posters have been shitty for a while.
R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain
Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.
Well it's not that rare, those 3 guys are about 38% of your list there!
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whether it's a 34 or 43 team. The only LBs since 2010 taken top 10 are:
R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain
Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.
Well it's not that rare, those 3 guys are about 38% of your list there!
But 3 guys in 9 drafts. And none of those 3 were taken above pick 8.
Looked at another way, ILBs are only taken in the top 10 once every three drafts. And none higher than pick 8. Off the top of my head, the only positions valued less (excluding K/P/FB) are TE and OC. Even OGs and S have been selected higher.
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.
I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.
Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.
I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.
I agree re: NT, I was alluding to Oliver speculation.
I wouldn't force the ER pick at #6, but a DT or ILB doesn't seem likely in terms of value.
Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.
Hill showed some potential there. He's not Aaron Donald, but 5.5 sacks, 6 TFLs, and 8 QBHits is solid penetration from a 34 DE. The sack/QBHit numbers could see an uptick if/when they get a legitimate edge rusher that forces QBs to step up or move around a bit (or not drop as deep to begin with).
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.
If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote
Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. We’re not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If he’s the pick so be it.
Grier is anything but a bum. 2nd best pro style quarterback coming out of North Carolina, he has won everywhere he's been. You clearly have not watched tape on him because he consistently makes full field reads.
I'm warming to Haskins. He keeps showing an ability to read defenses, which i like. Against Washington he was reading coverages well. I've had the same concern as others that he hasn't been tested enough. I've read his demeanor is apparently incredible and he does not get rattled. He also answered a question about facing a lack of pressure, then mentioned how he went against Nick Bosa and co. all the time during practice. I'm still unsure if he would be my guy at 6.
I think the Giants are going to like Haskins and Jones the most.
In comment 14244128 tyrik13 said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.
If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote
Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. We’re not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If he’s the pick so be it.
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