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USA Today end of regular season mock draft: Haskins to NYG

Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 8:25 am
You donít have to say it. We know itís way too early and so much will change, especially after the combine. Still, for discussion purposes only, the top 6 picks:

1-Cards: Joey Bosa, DE

2-Niners: Q. Williams, DT

3-Jets: Jonah Williams, OT

4-Raiders: Josh Allen, OLB/DE

5-Bucs: Greedy Williams, CB

6-Giants: Dwayne Haskins, QB


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where do  
Pep22 : 1/2/2019 8:26 am : link
I sign...?
So the New York Giants  
mittenedman : 1/2/2019 8:27 am : link
will take Haskins over Daniel Jones? Do people really believe that? Follow this franchise, I just don't see it.
I don't see it either  
JonC : 1/2/2019 8:38 am : link
think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.
RE: I don't see it either  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/2/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14243795 JonC said:
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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.


Agree with this, all QBs look like a reach at 6 and Id include Herbert if he was coming out. Go BPA here, I think the QB value in this draft is rds 2 and 3.
RE: So the New York Giants  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14243784 mittenedman said:
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will take Haskins over Daniel Jones? Do people really believe that? Follow this franchise, I just don't see it.


What do you mean?
Jon, iyo,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 8:44 am : link
do the first 5 slots look ďprobableĒ to you?
RE: I don't see it either  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14243795 JonC said:
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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.


What donít you see in Haskins in your opinion to make you say heís not worthy of being picked #6 by us?
I believe in drafting what you need...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 8:47 am : link
and think the BPA approach produces the same number of misses, if not more, than need. Itís one of the dumber ideas ever concocted in football.

Even so, despite my intense desire that this franchise gets off its ass and solves their QB-of-the-future problem, I canít endorse taking any QB at #6.

This is really the ideal year to get the hell out of that spot and trade down.
If Haskins is deemed franchise QB material..  
Sean : 1/2/2019 8:54 am : link
he should absolutely be the pick. Donít force it though.
Dl player or ol  
micky : 1/2/2019 8:55 am : link
If neither trade down
RE: Dl player or ol  
micky : 1/2/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14243820 micky said:
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If neither trade down


****If could find a willing trading partner****
BB56  
JonC : 1/2/2019 9:02 am : link
It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.

Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.

Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...
RE: BB56  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14243835 JonC said:
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It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.

Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.

Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...


Two quick questions:

1-Could a great combine/Pro Day change your mind re QBs early?

2-Does this Jonah Williams project more to ORT?
RE: BB56  
section125 : 1/2/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14243835 JonC said:
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It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.

Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.

Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...


I thought Washington's defense was supposed to be pretty good? But I can agree that I have some reservation on Haskins, but I saw some good things yesterday (field vision, standing in against the blitz) that I liked and some I did not - side arm throws, plus the Urban Meyer effect.
RE: RE: BB56  
JonC : 1/2/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14243844 section125 said:
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In comment 14243835 JonC said:


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It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.

Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.

Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...



I thought Washington's defense was supposed to be pretty good? But I can agree that I have some reservation on Haskins, but I saw some good things yesterday (field vision, standing in against the blitz) that I liked and some I did not - side arm throws, plus the Urban Meyer effect.


125, I haven't watched the Rose Bowl yet. Washington plays hard, but still some Boise St effect there with how they recruit and build a football program (speed over size).

BB56, TBD on Haskins. Combines could have an effect, that's where NFL coaches will test him in structured scenarios that will better shed light on his skills. I don't put as much stock in pro days but they can help as well (see Darnold 2018). As for Jonah, I think his floor is high but upside ceiling might be higher if he kicks inside to LG. Suspect his roster listing is generous ...
Haskins  
Archer : 1/2/2019 9:24 am : link
There is along way to go before anyone can determine who the Giants select.

Based upon Haskins stats this season he would have to be in the conversation.

I want to know if he is a system QB ?
There are many highly touted OSU QBs who have not succeeded in the NFL.

The OSU line gives him so much time, most of his passes are underneath, and he has excellent receivers.

What happens when he is under duress?



RE: BB56  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14243835 JonC said:
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It's still really early, but it's looking that way. Not sold on Jonah yet, he's a bit on the small side.

Dutch, he has arm talent, but outside of the Michigan game the competition level just wasn't there. He constantly had wide open receivers running free and talent in front of him the opposition just couldn't match. I didn't see a lot of touch in his passing, he's still rather raw. To me, the Urban Meyer system effect is a factor to consider in projecting him to the NFL. The Combines/scouting season are vital for him in seeing if he can hit those tiny windows.

Ultimately, I don't think he'll measure up for #6. I don't love any of the QBs this year, so far ...


Thanks JonC, I appreciate your feedback.
RE: RE: I don't see it either  
Boy Cord : 1/2/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14243798 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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In comment 14243795 JonC said:


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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.



Agree with this, all QBs look like a reach at 6 and Id include Herbert if he was coming out. Go BPA here, I think the QB value in this draft is rds 2 and 3.


The Giants need to be in the market for a potential franchise QB. I don't see that person available in FA. If the QB value is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, they're probably not projected to be franchise QBs. If that's the case, don't even bother drafting one. The next QB the Giants draft needs to be someone they have a conviction about and that means the 1st round.
Not a Haskins fan  
Tim in JTown : 1/2/2019 9:30 am : link
I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier.
RE: I don't see it either  
blueblood : 1/2/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14243795 JonC said:
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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.


JonC you know better... you know QB's always move up the draft chart..
Sure  
JonC : 1/2/2019 9:37 am : link
but it doesn't mean he's the best pick for NYG either.
Has a Cedric Jones draft type feel  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/2/2019 9:41 am : link
Where we miss out on Bosa, the OT, and Allen.
No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 9:41 am : link
particularly the first half. It was a typical OSU game.

Haskins back to pass.

Haskins looks the field over.

Haskins answers a text.

Haskins looks the field over again.

Haskins answers another text.

Haskins hit a very open receiver.


Iíll say this. In the second half, the Huskies got some good pressure. And we saw Haskins look very ordinary.
RE: Has a Cedric Jones draft type feel  
JonC : 1/2/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14243907 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Where we miss out on Bosa, the OT, and Allen.


I don't think this draft has the blue chip power of most drafts.
Always fun to see BBI  
oldutican : 1/2/2019 9:47 am : link
find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.
I loved some of the comments on  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 9:48 am : link
his one TD throw yesterday....

He stepped up in the pocket (or should I say tunnel.) cause the defensive end was forced to go wide. Then he threw a nice pass to a guy picking his ass waiting for the ball....haha

In all honesty.... what Haskins did yesterday was no different than what he did all year. He made some really nice throws not under duress. And he threw some crappy ones when he was.

The thing we dont know is can he throw some nice balls while consistently under duress.
RE: Has a Cedric Jones draft type feel  
Reb8thVA : 1/2/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14243907 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Where we miss out on Bosa, the OT, and Allen.


The problem with that draft was we reached for Jones based on need. There was a lot of talent we missed out on because of that. This team needs an injection of talent. We struck out on two top ten picks in he last 5 years. We canít afford another miss. There will be a lot of good players available at #6. I have no doubt about it. My fear is that they reach for a QB. As Jon C said, this QB class isnít exactly inspiring great confidence.
RE: Always fun to see BBI  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14243921 oldutican said:
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.


Cause we dont see the value or see better player?

Yeah, thats a lot of fun.
RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14243909 bw in dc said:
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particularly the first half. It was a typical OSU game.

Haskins back to pass.

Haskins looks the field over.

Haskins answers a text.

Haskins looks the field over again.

Haskins answers another text.

Haskins hit a very open receiver.


Iíll say this. In the second half, the Huskies got some good pressure. And we saw Haskins look very ordinary.




BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football thatís a problem?
RE: Always fun to see BBI  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14243921 oldutican said:
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.


Agree, I donít get why weíre so unwilling to turn the page at QB.
I'd like to see a draft like this...  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/2/2019 9:55 am : link
ROUND 1 - (trade back w/ Broncos, receive their 10th pick, '19 3rd round pick, and their 2020 1st next year)
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.

ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.

ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin

ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson

ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.
How high might the best center go?  
Beezer : 1/2/2019 9:56 am : link

Just a gut feeling, but this seems like an OL/DB first round to me.
RE: I'd like to see a draft like this...  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14243941 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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ROUND 1 - (trade back w/ Broncos, receive their 10th pick, '19 3rd round pick, and their 2020 1st next year)
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.

ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.

ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin

ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson

ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.


The second, third and first fourth round pick won't last that long.
RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14243934 Dutch77 said:
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BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football thatís a problem?


What great offensive teams did they play? I was told context is important. This would be example of it.
Also, use free agency to beef up OL  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/2/2019 9:57 am : link
re-sign Jamon Brown, and go after RT Williams from Carolina. Then have Biadasz compete with Pulley and Halapio for the Center spot. So that the 2019 OL would look like this...

Solder - Hernandez - Biadasz/Pulley/Halapio - Brown - Williams
Dutch77...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 10:00 am : link
Fair question.

First, I donít think anything of Washingtonís supposed top ranked D because they play in the putrid PAC 12. I think that distorts their numbers. Are they good? They are decent on D. But no one is confusing that D with Bama, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, etc.

Secondly, I think Haskins is a good prospect with some interesting physical attributes. But I donít see this elite talent worthy of a high round investment. That system gives him time, space, and great skilled players to throw to. Heís a better QB than JD Barrett but look at the numbers Barrett put up last year...and he wasnít what I would call an elite thrower of the ball.

So Iím just being cautious and measured on Haskins. I think heís more project than sure thing...
Not liking the QB prospects in '18 has nothing to do with keeping Eli  
JonC : 1/2/2019 10:03 am : link
I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.
RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14243947 dep026 said:
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In comment 14243934 Dutch77 said:


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BW in DC question for you? If throwing 3 TD passes in the 1st half is looking ordinary against the 12 ranked defense in the country, what extctly are looking for? So because he has time to throw the football thatís a problem?



What great offensive teams did they play? I was told context is important. This would be example of it.


Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?
we need a right tackle  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/2/2019 10:03 am : link
center, right guard (probably), free safety and a bunch of guys that can pressure the QB. Probably would rather see us take a great player from that list at #1. but I think Haskins has great vision, creativity and arm talent and would not be upset with taking him at this point.
Dutch77...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 10:06 am : link
Btw, no one on this board wants to move on from Eli more than me.

I thought he should have been moved at the end of the 2016 season.
RE: Not liking the QB prospects in '18 has nothing to do with keeping Eli  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14243958 JonC said:
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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.


JonC, Iím with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesnít exist.
I think the fate of Haskins, Jones, and Grier will all be decided  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 10:11 am : link
in private workouts and the combine. You need to get these guys out of their teams/environment, and stand them side by side to see. I like all three, especially Haskins and Jones. However there are questions. Its *Possible* that Haskins is greatly aided by the superior talent around him, its *Possible* Grier is greatly aided by the weaker Big 12 defenses (UT aside), and its *Possible* that Jones is better than he looked because Dukes talent was regularly below their competition.

These are the things that the scouts will figure out. Its going to be really interesting where these guys grade out come draft time. I could go with either Haskins or Jones frankly. In fact if they get graded a little lower in comparison to other players, someone may get a great value in Rd 2.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14243959 Dutch77 said:
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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?


Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.

Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?

IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.

he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.
RE: RE: Not liking the QB prospects in '18 has nothing to do with keeping Eli  
JonC : 1/2/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14243968 Dutch77 said:
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In comment 14243958 JonC said:


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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.



JonC, Iím with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesnít exist.


It's picking the best players for your system and maximizing those limited resources, rather than viewing it as waiting for the perfect QB to arrive.

Look at how damaging the failed Flowers and Apple picks were to this franchise. Those were need picks, and fans tend to demand need picks as they only view their football team in the moment, with only the next season in view. NYG picked the best OT and CB on their board out of need in respective drafts and it killed us.
RE: I'd like to see a draft like this...  
TommyWiseau : 1/2/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14243941 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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ROUND 1 - (trade back w/ Broncos, receive their 10th pick, '19 3rd round pick, and their 2020 1st next year)
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.

ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.

ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin

ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson

ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.


Broncos arent giving a 2020 first and a third this year to move up 4 slots. It happening
^^  
TommyWiseau : 1/2/2019 10:17 am : link
Not*
I'm not obsessing about taking a QB  
bceagle05 : 1/2/2019 10:19 am : link
but a year from now we'll be talking about a couple of rookie QBs who performed well and look promising. Happens every year, after everyone (not just here) spends the months leading up to the draft picking them all apart. Some of the 180s that were done on Mayfield and Darnold last year were particularly hilarious.
RE: Dutch77...  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14243966 bw in dc said:
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Btw, no one on this board wants to move on from Eli more than me.

I thought he should have been moved at the end of the 2016 season.


I hear you. Drafting a QB is risk but it needs to happen sooner rather than later. Waiting until next year is unwise and will cost the Giants multiple and future draft picks.
RE: RE: Always fun to see BBI  
oldutican : 1/2/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14243930 dep026 said:
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In comment 14243921 oldutican said:


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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.



Cause we dont see the value or see better player?

Yeah, thats a lot of fun.


I have no idea whether Haskins is worthy of the 6th pick, but neither do you or 99% of the posters on BBI. Even our resident scout Sy expressed uncertainty about him and how difficult it is to evaluate QBs.
But you seem to be saying because he has a great line he may not be good under pressure, which conveniently canít be disproven.
RE: I don't see it either  
AcidTest : 1/2/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14243795 JonC said:
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think Haskins will be properly slotted mid first round after scouting season. Right now, not seeing a QB worthy at #6.


Agreed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
GoBlue6599 : 1/2/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14243977 dep026 said:
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In comment 14243959 Dutch77 said:


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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?



Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.

Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?

IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.

he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.

So the guys rips apart and completely embarrassed the top ranked Michigan defense and ďall he didĒ was pick on a player that shouldnít have been there. Lol youíre reaching big time to discredit a great performance
RE: RE: RE: Not liking the QB prospects in '18 has nothing to do with keeping Eli  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14243983 JonC said:
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In comment 14243958 JonC said:


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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.



JonC, Iím with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesnít exist.



It's picking the best players for your system and maximizing those limited resources, rather than viewing it as waiting for the perfect QB to arrive.

Look at how damaging the failed Flowers and Apple picks were to this franchise. Those were need picks, and fans tend to demand need picks as they only view their football team in the moment, with only the next season in view. NYG picked the best OT and CB on their board out of need in respective drafts and it killed us.


I think the Flowers and Apple picks were bad picks based on the scouting/ talent evaluators not the fact that they were needs. We needed a left guard last year so Gettleman picked Hernandez who had a solid year and should improve. The point is you canít keep ignoring the biggest need/ weakness on this team at the expense of every other player just because youíre afraid it may not work out.
I get the point  
JonC : 1/2/2019 10:31 am : link
buy you're mistaking my position.
RE: I'd like to see a draft like this...  
Anakim : 1/2/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14243941 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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ROUND 1 - (trade back w/ Broncos, receive their 10th pick, '19 3rd round pick, and their 2020 1st next year)
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.

ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.

ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin

ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson

ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.


I think that's incredibly optimistic. I think Lock and Bryant go earlier and Ridley may go ahead of all the guys you just mentioned except White.
Here's my take on Haskins...  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:32 am : link
competition in college is always what people bring up, but what he is supposed to do, ask Ohio State to make the schedule harder? Half the games for most big time schools are always a joke, and the other half are usually pretty solid teams. Haskins played very well against Penn State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Washington. He's only started what..14 career games? You really can't go based on schedule in college, for QBs you have to go on makeup, leadership, obviously size and arm talent, background..love of football, etc. Does the kid want to be a great NFL QB? You can't know that answer based on the teams he played.

I watched the Washington game, they are a really good college defense and while he didn't have an amazing game, he had a great feel for the pocket and once he settled in, he was throwing dimes all over the field while going through his reads. Good presence in the pocket, not shaky and didn't seem flustered really. Now...you could say he didn't seem flustered because he had lots of time to throw and wasn't really facing a OSU type team on the other side...sure, I accept that argument. But to me, he had the look and feel of "NFL QB" when I was watching him play.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14243977 dep026 said:
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In comment 14243959 Dutch77 said:


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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?



Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.

Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?

IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.

he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.


I can respect your opinion but if not Haskins, who do you think is worthy of being drafted to play QB for us?
All I know is when JonC speaks, people should listen  
Anakim : 1/2/2019 10:33 am : link
Not only does he have an in with the Giants and knows their way of thinking, but he has an exceptional football mind.


I just wish he would tell me how to score some chicks.
My one question for Haskins  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:34 am : link
would be does he have the makeup to be a great QB in the NY market, can he take the heat, can he be a leader of men, etc...that would be my question, as it's obvious he has all the arm talent and the size to be a great player.
Flowers/Apple picks were bad picks based on the eval process  
JonC : 1/2/2019 10:37 am : link
exacerbated by what appears to have been heavy need picks. It wasn't one over the other.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14244005 GoBlue6599 said:
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So the guys rips apart and completely embarrassed the top ranked Michigan defense and ďall he didĒ was pick on a player that shouldnít have been there. Lol youíre reaching big time to discredit a great performance


I said he played well. But the fact of the matter is that his OL completey shut down a dominating OL. This cannot be refuted whatsoever. Winovich, Gary, Hudson, etc didnt even touch him. And Brandon Watson was a guy who didnt belong on the field cause he was consistently picked on all year. Re-watch the game. All Haskins did was find whoever he was guarding or whoever Gil was guarding (came in for an injured Bush). Dom Brown played man basically the whole game and Haskins OL gave him all day for his WRs to expose bad players.

I know I am mentioning a ton of guys who you never heard of and probably wouldnt have a clue because you dont know shit about shit. But it makes a difference.
IMO, and its just my opinion, the NFL comp I see for Haskins  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 10:38 am : link
is Jameis Winston of the Bucs. Almost the same size, comparable arm strength, both can run ok but don't use it to really gain yards (just to get out of trouble), and both seem like leaders that their team mates like. So would everyone be ok committing to a player like Winston at QB, or would you want better? Remember Winston is still young.
People are way  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:38 am : link
overestimating the competition thing. Look at Wentz in college. You have to see the projection beyond just the stats and what teams they played.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No need to watch the Rose Bowl....  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14244012 Dutch77 said:
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Dep026, what does that have to do with the play of Dwayne Haskins?



Washingtons defense is ranked high because the teams they played are putrid. Thats my point.

Haskins is a project. He has skills, everyone agrees on that. But are his skills because of the system/OL/WRs abilities?

IMO, I dont think he is as mobile as people think. I think playing against bigger and faster defenses will negate the mobility he has. Plus, I have seen him play a lot this year - probably the 2nd most team I watched this year and when pressured, which was a rarity, it wasnt pretty.

he did have some monster games. And I know Michigan was one of them - but he wasnt breathed on in that game and took advantage of a guy who shouldnt have been playing. Kudos to him for that, but that wont happen in the NFL where almost every player belongs.



I can respect your opinion but if not Haskins, who do you think is worthy of being drafted to play QB for us?


I wanted Darnold last year. This year..... I would say either Haskins or Jones maybe in the 2nd round, but not at 6.

Jacob Eason has me intrigued for next year.
RE: IMO, and its just my opinion, the NFL comp I see for Haskins  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14244022 PatersonPlank said:
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is Jameis Winston of the Bucs. Almost the same size, comparable arm strength, both can run ok but don't use it to really gain yards (just to get out of trouble), and both seem like leaders that their team mates like. So would everyone be ok committing to a player like Winston at QB, or would you want better? Remember Winston is still young.

That's a tough question. Are we getting Winston without the extra shit? If so yes.
RE: RE: Not liking the QB prospects in '18 has nothing to do with keeping Eli  
rich in DC : 1/2/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14243968 Dutch77 said:
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I was ready to let Eli go with McAdoo.



JonC, Iím with you with moving on from Eli. Drafting ANY QB is a risk. There is not exact science. It just seems like we love some prospects and not others. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. But it seems like we are good with waiting for the perfect prospect which doesnít exist.


I think it would be good to move on from Eli for several reasons.

One- even with Eli returning, this is NOT a playoff team- too many holes on defense to fix in one off-season.

Two- Eli probably only has one or two good years left- better for him to go to a team ready to compete and needs to buy some time at QB while making a playoff run.

Three- whoever replaces Eli is going to measured against him unfairly. Better to do that with some short term vet QB rather than a rookie who may wilt under that microscope. I think it is better to let the next high pick QB be someone who isn't replacing a franchise legend, but is instead replacing a journeyman.
There is absolutely  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:40 am : link
zero chance that Haskins falls to the 2nd round, so we would have to take him at 6 (if he's there) or trade up in the 1st to get him after we take someone at 6.
Eli next year with Haskins learning  
ryanmkeane : 1/2/2019 10:42 am : link
and then being the starter in 2020 is a pretty good scenario to me.
RE: IMO, and its just my opinion, the NFL comp I see for Haskins  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14244022 PatersonPlank said:
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is Jameis Winston of the Bucs. Almost the same size, comparable arm strength, both can run ok but don't use it to really gain yards (just to get out of trouble), and both seem like leaders that their team mates like. So would everyone be ok committing to a player like Winston at QB, or would you want better? Remember Winston is still young.


Winston has the talent to be a franchise QB. It's the mental aspects and consistency that he lacks.

In your hypothetical, are we assuming Haskins has the same decision making issues as Winston?
RE: RE: IMO, and its just my opinion, the NFL comp I see for Haskins  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14244026 ryanmkeane said:
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is Jameis Winston of the Bucs. Almost the same size, comparable arm strength, both can run ok but don't use it to really gain yards (just to get out of trouble), and both seem like leaders that their team mates like. So would everyone be ok committing to a player like Winston at QB, or would you want better? Remember Winston is still young.


That's a tough question. Are we getting Winston without the extra shit? If so yes.


I think I agree with you. Winston with extra shit would work for me. Have him sit in 2019 and learn behind Eli, then take over in 2020.
We need to bring in a bonafide Pass Rusher  
Simms11 : 1/2/2019 10:45 am : link
either through FA or draft. If we go Haskins, we'll miss out on all the really good Pass Rushers. I'm ok with that as long as we cover ourselves in Free Agency. This is going to be an extremely important off-season for this team. DG will probably need to create more cap room though to be able to bring in more talent in FA.
Loong way to go until April  
Dave on the UWS : 1/2/2019 10:53 am : link
last year at this time, Mayfield was thought to be a marginal first rounder. Look what happened. Haskins and Jones look to me like mid 1st rd types. By draft time who knows? (Doesn't mean Gettleman will see them as top, middle, or end of the round values. QB's are so subjective its not funny.
Winston is a lot like Big Ben  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 10:57 am : link
on and off the field. He just hasn't had a dominant D and running game to support him. Winston also playing in the post-Rice environment, whereas Big Ben completely skated on the allegations against him.

If you can get a similarly talented and (hopefully) more mature Winston in the draft, you run to the podium.
RE: Loong way to go until April  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14244049 Dave on the UWS said:
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last year at this time, Mayfield was thought to be a marginal first rounder. Look what happened. Haskins and Jones look to me like mid 1st rd types. By draft time who knows? (Doesn't mean Gettleman will see them as top, middle, or end of the round values. QB's are so subjective its not funny.


Not sure how quickly after the season they run the #s, but Football Outsiders had Mayfield as their top QB from the start:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018
RE: Eli next year with Haskins learning  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14244030 ryanmkeane said:
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and then being the starter in 2020 is a pretty good scenario to me.


Iíd be good with that.
FO might argue that QBs aren't that subjective too  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 11:07 am : link
just that many scouts look at the wrong stats/tools. Their rankings for last year:

Mayfield



Jackson
Rosen
Darnold
Rudolph
Falk
Lauletta



Allen

Now, it's way too early to make any definitive statements about the QBs, but they look to have nailed the Mayfield pick and you can argue they ranked the top 4 correctly as well.
RE: People are way  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14244023 ryanmkeane said:
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overestimating the competition thing. Look at Wentz in college. You have to see the projection beyond just the stats and what teams they played.


Did you watch Wentz at all at NDSU?

He jumped off the screen with his arm and athleticism. It was clear he was a D1 player who happened to be playing for a 1-AA school. He was 6'5", 235 and ran a 4.7 forty. Haskins is not the physical specimen that Wentz was/is.
I am intrigued by Haskins 40 time  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 11:14 am : link
not that its the all to end all stat for QBs. But he just looks slow to me. I would be shocked if he ran under 4.8
RE: I am intrigued by Haskins 40 time  
Anakim : 1/2/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14244087 dep026 said:
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not that its the all to end all stat for QBs. But he just looks slow to me. I would be shocked if he ran under 4.8


I mean he's a PP. He's not a scrambler. I'm guessing he'll run in the 4.9s or maybe 5's
RE: I am intrigued by Haskins 40 time  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14244087 dep026 said:
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not that its the all to end all stat for QBs. But he just looks slow to me. I would be shocked if he ran under 4.8


I'll bet he beats Eli's and Peyton's time - ha ha
RE: Not a Haskins fan  
tyrik13 : 1/2/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14243888 Tim in JTown said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. Weíre not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If heís the pick so be it.
Haskins  
Pep22 : 1/2/2019 11:39 am : link
looks somewhat slow but fluid to me. Not unlike Matt Stafford in that respect, but very much UNLIKE Eli who struggles when moving (especially laterally). Its not only that he can't avoid much in terms of the rush, but his accuracy is greatly compromised when moving. Haskins seems to have the athleticism to slide, especially to his right, and deliver a strike.

The arm strength and accuracy are very impressive.

Height will be interesting. Greater than or equal to 6'3" would be better than 6'2" or less.

Strength wise, he is fine.

It is interesting and encouraging that he seems to be so poised as it relates to moving defenders with his eyes so early in his career.
RE: I'd like to see a draft like this...  
tyrik13 : 1/2/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14243941 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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ROUND 1 - (trade back w/ Broncos, receive their 10th pick, '19 3rd round pick, and their 2020 1st next year)
At #10 draft ILB Devin White.

ROUND 2 - Draft QB Drew Lock, Missouri.

ROUND 3 (f/ Denver) - Draft C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin

ROUND 4 - Draft Edge rusher Austin Bryant, Clemson

ROUND 4 (f/NO) - Draft WR Riley Ridley from Georgia.


We donít need an ILB, Tyler Biadasz, if he declares wonít make it to the 3rd round, we need a pass rush badly, and Austin Bryant ainít it. Iíd be ok with Lock in the second but rather Daniel Jones
Don't need an ILB?  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 11:49 am : link
Think again.
RE: RE: Not a Haskins fan  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14244128 tyrik13 said:
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In comment 14243888 Tim in JTown said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith.


Can you be lazier with your analysis? Grier plays nothing like Geno Smith. Yes, they both went to Morgantown. After that, there are no similarities.

RE: I believe in drafting what you need...  
santacruzom : 1/2/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14243809 bw in dc said:
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and think the BPA approach produces the same number of misses, if not more, than need. Itís one of the dumber ideas ever concocted in football.


Can you even think of a team that consistently drafts solely via the BPA approach and supports your claim? I can't.
RE: RE: Always fun to see BBI  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/2/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14243930 dep026 said:
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.



Cause we dont see the value or see better player?

Yeah, thats a lot of fun.

If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.
RE: RE: RE: Always fun to see BBI  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14244255 Gatorade Dunk said:
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.



Cause we dont see the value or see better player?

Yeah, thats a lot of fun.


If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.


So if I say I like a QB - it doesnt matter either....

Ah the new BBI. Where the posters are shittier than the Giants.
ANY input on these QBs coming out,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 12:27 pm : link
is greatly appreciated by this fan
BPA vs Need  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 12:31 pm : link
is rarely clear cut. The exceptions are: 1) the top of the draft when there are a couple elite prospects that may not align with a teams needs (i.e. the Barkley vs QBs debate) and 2) teams reaching for a position (e.g. Flowers/Apple).

Even Barkley filled a gaping hole (no pun intended) for the Giants though. And with Flowers/Apple the issue is the players taken as much as the positions they tried to fill. If Peat had been selected instead of Flowers, many wouldn't feel like the Giants "reached" for a player, though the result may not have been much better. Similarly, if Reeese had selected Hargreaves (who most draft pundits had ranked higher) the pick wouldn't be considered a reach even though Hargreaves hasn't been much better.

In other words, the issue with the Giants drafting was in evaluating the players themselves and not necessarily how they weight BPA and need.

3-4 ILBs  
JonC : 1/2/2019 12:31 pm : link
are typically found later, the OLBs are typically your higher value prospects.

If they pick an ILB at #6, it's not a great sign regarding the talent level of the top prospects.
How has no one mentioned Ed Oliver yet?  
RobCarpenter : 1/2/2019 12:32 pm : link
If he's there at #6 - assuming Allen is gone -- he should be the pick. Could be NYG's version of Aaron Donald - except 3 inches taller.

As to Haskins - I just don't think he's close to BPA at the #6 spot. And the D is a much, much bigger need in the draft. Don't force a QB pick.
re: Wentz  
JonC : 1/2/2019 12:39 pm : link
bw is correct, Wentz leaped off the screen and he exploded up the draft boards. Haskins doesn't leap off the screen at me so far. Plenty of time for him to try and change minds, and hey a lot of known draftniks like the kid's NFL upside, TBD.

Winston is a low maturity/intelligence gamble. He's got some football moxie and was overrated imo coming off that FSU title team. But, he's been a disappointment (as suspected he would be) in the NFL to far.

I wouldn't use Winston as any sort of shining beacon, nor try to downplay Wentz's college tape.
We're running a 3-4  
JonC : 1/2/2019 12:40 pm : link
DT doesn't make a ton of sense unless it's a NT with dominant upside, imv.
RE: We're running a 3-4  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14244306 JonC said:
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DT doesn't make a ton of sense unless it's a NT with dominant upside, imv.



Ed Oliver at 6? Thoughts on him?
Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
JonC : 1/2/2019 12:42 pm : link
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RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
allstarjim : 1/2/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14244312 JonC said:
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.

I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.
it's rare for any non-pass rushing LB to be taken top 10  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 12:52 pm : link
whether it's a 34 or 43 team. The only LBs since 2010 taken top 10 are:

R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain

Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Always fun to see BBI  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/2/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14244260 dep026 said:
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find reasons not to take a QB. Should be especially fun with Haskins.



Cause we dont see the value or see better player?

Yeah, thats a lot of fun.


If you're being honest with yourself, you'd realize that your opinion regarding the relative value of QB prospects in the draft will be treated about as objectively as a vegan reviewing porterhouse steaks.



So if I say I like a QB - it doesnt matter either....

Ah the new BBI. Where the posters are shittier than the Giants.

Ah, dep - don't kid yourself, you were part of the old BBI too. So some of the posters have been shitty for a while.
RE: it's rare for any non-pass rushing LB to be taken top 10  
allstarjim : 1/2/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14244330 giants#1 said:
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whether it's a 34 or 43 team. The only LBs since 2010 taken top 10 are:

R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain

Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.


Well it's not that rare, those 3 guys are about 38% of your list there!
It seems none of the QBs in the draft handle pressure real well  
SHO'NUFF : 1/2/2019 12:55 pm : link
Haskins's rating, in particular, dips real low when pressured, meaning he's reliant on blue chip blocking up front.
I agree they need an Edge rusher something awful  
RobCarpenter : 1/2/2019 1:07 pm : link
They have to get off the field on 3rd down.
RE: RE: it's rare for any non-pass rushing LB to be taken top 10  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14244342 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14244330 giants#1 said:


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whether it's a 34 or 43 team. The only LBs since 2010 taken top 10 are:

R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain

Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.



Well it's not that rare, those 3 guys are about 38% of your list there!


But 3 guys in 9 drafts. And none of those 3 were taken above pick 8.

Looked at another way, ILBs are only taken in the top 10 once every three drafts. And none higher than pick 8. Off the top of my head, the only positions valued less (excluding K/P/FB) are TE and OC. Even OGs and S have been selected higher.
So what ER would realistically be there for us at 6,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 1:14 pm : link
that would be considered Blue chip, if any?
RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/2/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14244318 allstarjim said:
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.

I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.


Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.
RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
JonC : 1/2/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14244318 allstarjim said:
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.

I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.


I agree re: NT, I was alluding to Oliver speculation.

I wouldn't force the ER pick at #6, but a DT or ILB doesn't seem likely in terms of value.
RE: RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14244384 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.


Hill showed some potential there. He's not Aaron Donald, but 5.5 sacks, 6 TFLs, and 8 QBHits is solid penetration from a 34 DE. The sack/QBHit numbers could see an uptick if/when they get a legitimate edge rusher that forces QBs to step up or move around a bit (or not drop as deep to begin with).
RE: RE: Not a Haskins fan  
GiantGrit : 1/2/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14244128 tyrik13 said:
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In comment 14243888 Tim in JTown said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. Weíre not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If heís the pick so be it.


Grier is anything but a bum. 2nd best pro style quarterback coming out of North Carolina, he has won everywhere he's been. You clearly have not watched tape on him because he consistently makes full field reads.

I'm warming to Haskins. He keeps showing an ability to read defenses, which i like. Against Washington he was reading coverages well. I've had the same concern as others that he hasn't been tested enough. I've read his demeanor is apparently incredible and he does not get rattled. He also answered a question about facing a lack of pressure, then mentioned how he went against Nick Bosa and co. all the time during practice. I'm still unsure if he would be my guy at 6.

I think the Giants are going to like Haskins and Jones the most.
I remember watching Houston when Oliver was a freshman.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/2/2019 3:30 pm : link
I was like who the hell is that guy he's going to be a top five pick this year. Than they panned to him. Freshman from Houston,Tx. Blew my mind.
RE: RE: Not a Haskins fan  
Tim in JTown : 1/2/2019 5:27 pm : link
This video shows a different story. Good touch. Accurate. Pretty mobile. He gets it done with his arm. The only possible knock is he'll be 24.

In comment 14244128 tyrik13 said:
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In comment 14243888 Tim in JTown said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. Weíre not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If heís the pick so be it.

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Considering this teams needs and last years pick  
Hsilwek92 : 1/2/2019 5:43 pm : link
Iíd rather take the guy taken with the next pick.
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