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USA Today end of regular season mock draft: Haskins to NYG

Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 8:25 am
You don’t have to say it. We know it’s way too early and so much will change, especially after the combine. Still, for discussion purposes only, the top 6 picks:

1-Cards: Joey Bosa, DE

2-Niners: Q. Williams, DT

3-Jets: Jonah Williams, OT

4-Raiders: Josh Allen, OLB/DE

5-Bucs: Greedy Williams, CB

6-Giants: Dwayne Haskins, QB


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I agree they need an Edge rusher something awful  
RobCarpenter : 1/2/2019 1:07 pm : link
They have to get off the field on 3rd down.
RE: RE: it's rare for any non-pass rushing LB to be taken top 10  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 1:11 pm : link
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whether it's a 34 or 43 team. The only LBs since 2010 taken top 10 are:

R Smith
Floyd
Mack
Barr
Kuechly
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
Rolando McClain

Of those 8, only Smith, Kuechly and McClain are ILBs. The rest were drafted as edge rushers.



Well it's not that rare, those 3 guys are about 38% of your list there!


But 3 guys in 9 drafts. And none of those 3 were taken above pick 8.

Looked at another way, ILBs are only taken in the top 10 once every three drafts. And none higher than pick 8. Off the top of my head, the only positions valued less (excluding K/P/FB) are TE and OC. Even OGs and S have been selected higher.
So what ER would realistically be there for us at 6,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/2/2019 1:14 pm : link
that would be considered Blue chip, if any?
RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/2/2019 1:18 pm : link
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.

I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.


Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.
RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
JonC : 1/2/2019 1:20 pm : link
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To me, I don't think a NT makes sense. They need an edge, whether is be from the 5-tech DT/DE to play up front or 7-tech pass rushing OLB like Josh Allen.

I caught a bit of Gettleman's conference and a very interesting tidbit was when he was asked about trading Snacks Harrison. He said that Snacks was playing the 1-tech, Tomlinson the 3-tech, and Hill was playing the 5-tech, and that really Tomlinson was a 1-tech and Hill was really a 3-tech. So the trade allowed those two players to play their more natural positions. The takeaway from that is that a dominating 5-tech with elite pass-rush talent would fit this team like a glove.


I agree re: NT, I was alluding to Oliver speculation.

I wouldn't force the ER pick at #6, but a DT or ILB doesn't seem likely in terms of value.
RE: RE: RE: Not seen enough of Oliver yet  
giants#1 : 1/2/2019 1:21 pm : link
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Pressure up the middle matters too. Can't just be the edges. We've seen how collapsing the pocket helps a defense. Edge rushers can be pushed to the sides of the QB. Pressure up the middle changes the play.


Hill showed some potential there. He's not Aaron Donald, but 5.5 sacks, 6 TFLs, and 8 QBHits is solid penetration from a 34 DE. The sack/QBHit numbers could see an uptick if/when they get a legitimate edge rusher that forces QBs to step up or move around a bit (or not drop as deep to begin with).
RE: RE: Not a Haskins fan  
GiantGrit : 1/2/2019 1:23 pm : link
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[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. We’re not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If he’s the pick so be it.


Grier is anything but a bum. 2nd best pro style quarterback coming out of North Carolina, he has won everywhere he's been. You clearly have not watched tape on him because he consistently makes full field reads.

I'm warming to Haskins. He keeps showing an ability to read defenses, which i like. Against Washington he was reading coverages well. I've had the same concern as others that he hasn't been tested enough. I've read his demeanor is apparently incredible and he does not get rattled. He also answered a question about facing a lack of pressure, then mentioned how he went against Nick Bosa and co. all the time during practice. I'm still unsure if he would be my guy at 6.

I think the Giants are going to like Haskins and Jones the most.
I remember watching Houston when Oliver was a freshman.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/2/2019 3:30 pm : link
I was like who the hell is that guy he's going to be a top five pick this year. Than they panned to him. Freshman from Houston,Tx. Blew my mind.
RE: RE: Not a Haskins fan  
Tim in JTown : 1/2/2019 5:27 pm : link
This video shows a different story. Good touch. Accurate. Pretty mobile. He gets it done with his arm. The only possible knock is he'll be 24.

In comment 14244128 tyrik13 said:
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In comment 14243888 Tim in JTown said:
[quote] I could see a scenario where we trade OBJ, pick up some draft picks, and start building the team more around Barkley. Pick up a game changing DE in the first, go OL 2,3 or 4.

If we go QB, I like Will Grier. [/quote

Grier is a bum, benefited from a system designed to make QBs look good I.e see Geno Smith. We’re not trading OBJ so get off that wagon and Haskins is a different QB from anything Meyer ever put on the field. If he’s the pick so be it.

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Considering this teams needs and last years pick  
Hsilwek92 : 1/2/2019 5:43 pm : link
I’d rather take the guy taken with the next pick.
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