To start, trading OBJ (or wanting to trade him) should only happen if you think it's part of a long term solution to righting the ship. If your plans are short term, winning in 2019/2020 by all means keep him on the roster.
OBJ is expensive and has gotten hurt two years running. He is also mercurial and has shown he can be difficult to handle and required "speaking to." Would he be a new QBs best friend or worst enemy?
OBJ has trade value, a lot of it. He has shown he is a top tier player and competitor, I think there would be considerable competition for his services. OBJ would net a nice haul, minimum a 1st rd pick, but could he net more?
I also think its a slippery slope in that I dont think you can explore trading him and then NOT trade him. Once official word got out that he is being shopped its got to happen, so you'd have to properly assess his value.
If a team like the Jets or SF offered you a 2nd rd pick this year and a 1st next year, would you bite?
2018 Odell is a small problem- he wouldn't play with a bruised leg and also just disappeared not to be seen at all during games on the sideline with his teammates like every other injured or inactive superstar team leader would be.
My bigger issue is 2020 Odell or 2021 Odell when he is coming up for a contract and we have a rookie or young QB and he isn't "getting his". It's going to be a shit show and you all know it.
You can't win with the guy unless it is with a VERY strong locker room where he isn't a leader but just needs to shut up and fall in line- like the Patriots. The Giants don't have the cache to force him to do that and you get the current version of Odell. I just pray that his poor attitude and lifestyle choice of being a celebrity 1st and a football player 2nd doesn't infect Barkley.
2018 Odell is a small problem- he wouldn't play with a bruised leg and also just disappeared not to be seen at all during games on the sideline with his teammates like every other injured or inactive superstar team leader would be.
My bigger issue is 2020 Odell or 2021 Odell when he is coming up for a contract and we have a rookie or young QB and he isn't "getting his". It's going to be a shit show and you all know it.
You can't win with the guy unless it is with a VERY strong locker room where he isn't a leader but just needs to shut up and fall in line- like the Patriots. The Giants don't have the cache to force him to do that and you get the current version of Odell. I just pray that his poor attitude and lifestyle choice of being a celebrity 1st and a football player 2nd doesn't infect Barkley.
If you're going to make things up, what's the point?
He wouldn't play on a bruised leg?
Bullshit. He did what he was told by the staff and said he would absolutely have tried to play if they told him he could give it a go.
It's also disingenuous to just call it a "bruise" and make it sound like he didn't want to play when he wasn't actually hurt. He is legitimately injured and there's no reason to force him out there in meaningless football games and risk making it worse. It would be negligent for the team to do given their investment.
It's a crazy cycle people for some reason want to embark upon.
Hope for a good draft pick, get one and draft a player you need, and then hope that player becomes elite.
So that happened with Beckham, even with the time he's missed he's on a record setting pace for a WR.
People now want to trade him and hope to trade Odell Beckham and then somehow get a player who is an elite WR.....like ODell Beckham.
Makes zero sense, even with the contract Beckham has.
And everyone thought Dallas grossly overpaid. Don't expect offers like that to come around often. Especially not on a player coming off injury with a larger $$$ commit.
I am not interested in multiple players whose combined value is arguably in excess of Beckham. I strongly believe you win championships in this League with HOF players - and I would not want the Giants to give up a HOF player without being guaranteed they get a HOFer in return.
In that regard, either the Giants get an existing HOF player in exchange (at greater value) or they get enough #1 picks that they have a legitimate shot at a HOF draft pick (probably 10 first round picks ... i.e. forget about it via the draft)
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Fair value? Oakland got a #1 for Cooper, who was coming off a bad season, and playing poorly again for Oakland this year.
And everyone thought Dallas grossly overpaid. Don't expect offers like that to come around often. Especially not on a player coming off injury with a larger $$$ commit.
But the market has been set in terms of draft compensation, whether Dallas overpaid or not. My guess is Dallas feels like they got fair value based on the return on that investment so far.
OBJ is considerably more accomplished than Cooper. And it's reasonable to say his injuries are more fluke than chronic or something wrong structurally. There are teams like the 9ers who have ample cap space and draft capital to move. So the contract could be absorbed.
I'm mixed on the idea, but I don't agree at all that fair compensation is not going to be there.
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was last off season when I was screaming from the rooftops for them to do it. Now you are 90 million dollars invested in the guy and are trading from a negative position.
2018 Odell is a small problem- he wouldn't play with a bruised leg and also just disappeared not to be seen at all during games on the sideline with his teammates like every other injured or inactive superstar team leader would be.
My bigger issue is 2020 Odell or 2021 Odell when he is coming up for a contract and we have a rookie or young QB and he isn't "getting his". It's going to be a shit show and you all know it.
You can't win with the guy unless it is with a VERY strong locker room where he isn't a leader but just needs to shut up and fall in line- like the Patriots. The Giants don't have the cache to force him to do that and you get the current version of Odell. I just pray that his poor attitude and lifestyle choice of being a celebrity 1st and a football player 2nd doesn't infect Barkley.
If you're going to make things up, what's the point?
He wouldn't play on a bruised leg?
Bullshit. He did what he was told by the staff and said he would absolutely have tried to play if they told him he could give it a go.
It's also disingenuous to just call it a "bruise" and make it sound like he didn't want to play when he wasn't actually hurt. He is legitimately injured and there's no reason to force him out there in meaningless football games and risk making it worse. It would be negligent for the team to do given their investment.
Wait a minute...if Odell didn't have a bruised leg what was his injury that kept him out of the last few games? Does he have a major soft tissue injury? A broken bone?
I've seen it called a hematoma in a few places, which is by definition a bruise.
You can't just deny factual information because it suits your narrative.
I understand Beckham has all of the talent in the world. I'd love him more than any player in history if his attitude was like a Barkley, who just plays his ass off, doesn't fuck with the team, doesn't get suspended, and most importantly doesn't put himself above the team. Like it or not, Beckham has embarrassed the Giants franchise a few times now.
What I find amazing is that in the small clique of BBI it is borderline sacrilegious to be anti-Beckham but when you randomly talk to Giant fans in the real world there is MUCH more sentiment that people want him gone and are sick of him.
Just stop it.
Lower leg injuries can be very problematic, especially hematomas. They often result in pressure and swelling that can affect nerves and circulation.
But yeah, he's just taking it easy on a simple bruise.
But there are people here who state they wouldn’t OBJ for just the 2 pick, that they would need another 1, Now that s fantasy land
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was last off season when I was screaming from the rooftops for them to do it. Now you are 90 million dollars invested in the guy and are trading from a negative position.
2018 Odell is a small problem- he wouldn't play with a bruised leg and also just disappeared not to be seen at all during games on the sideline with his teammates like every other injured or inactive superstar team leader would be.
My bigger issue is 2020 Odell or 2021 Odell when he is coming up for a contract and we have a rookie or young QB and he isn't "getting his". It's going to be a shit show and you all know it.
You can't win with the guy unless it is with a VERY strong locker room where he isn't a leader but just needs to shut up and fall in line- like the Patriots. The Giants don't have the cache to force him to do that and you get the current version of Odell. I just pray that his poor attitude and lifestyle choice of being a celebrity 1st and a football player 2nd doesn't infect Barkley.
If you're going to make things up, what's the point?
He wouldn't play on a bruised leg?
Bullshit. He did what he was told by the staff and said he would absolutely have tried to play if they told him he could give it a go.
It's also disingenuous to just call it a "bruise" and make it sound like he didn't want to play when he wasn't actually hurt. He is legitimately injured and there's no reason to force him out there in meaningless football games and risk making it worse. It would be negligent for the team to do given their investment.
Wait a minute...if Odell didn't have a bruised leg what was his injury that kept him out of the last few games? Does he have a major soft tissue injury? A broken bone?
I've seen it called a hematoma in a few places, which is by definition a bruise.
You can't just deny factual information because it suits your narrative.
I understand Beckham has all of the talent in the world. I'd love him more than any player in history if his attitude was like a Barkley, who just plays his ass off, doesn't fuck with the team, doesn't get suspended, and most importantly doesn't put himself above the team. Like it or not, Beckham has embarrassed the Giants franchise a few times now.
What I find amazing is that in the small clique of BBI it is borderline sacrilegious to be anti-Beckham but when you randomly talk to Giant fans in the real world there is MUCH more sentiment that people want him gone and are sick of him.
You know what you're doing - you're diminishing the injury because you don't like the player and want to frame it as him being lazy/not wanting to play - since that would fit your narrative.
Not all bruises are the same, and some are legitimate football injuries. Beckham didn't sit out the final month of the season with a black and blue, but that's what you want people to think.
I also don't care about your anecdotal evidence regarding "real world fans" who are so different than the conglomerate of fans here. I can just counter it by saying the exact opposite. Who cares?
Lower leg injuries can be very problematic, especially hematomas. They often result in pressure and swelling that can affect nerves and circulation.
But yeah, he's just taking it easy on a simple bruise.
No. Nicks had compartment syndrome, a rare condition that caused insufficient blood supply to his leg AND more importantly Nicks had a major ankle injury (which required surgery) after Aqib Talib took him out after Nicks torched him.
2019- New Year same Fatman. Ill informed.
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and Nicks was just "dogging" it too.
Lower leg injuries can be very problematic, especially hematomas. They often result in pressure and swelling that can affect nerves and circulation.
But yeah, he's just taking it easy on a simple bruise.
No. Nicks had compartment syndrome, a rare condition that caused insufficient blood supply to his leg AND more importantly Nicks had a major ankle injury (which required surgery) after Aqib Talib took him out after Nicks torched him.
2019- New Year same Fatman. Ill informed.
uh, he was being sarcastic about Nicks dumbass. Way to be "informed".
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was last off season when I was screaming from the rooftops for them to do it. Now you are 90 million dollars invested in the guy and are trading from a negative position.
2018 Odell is a small problem- he wouldn't play with a bruised leg and also just disappeared not to be seen at all during games on the sideline with his teammates like every other injured or inactive superstar team leader would be.
My bigger issue is 2020 Odell or 2021 Odell when he is coming up for a contract and we have a rookie or young QB and he isn't "getting his". It's going to be a shit show and you all know it.
You can't win with the guy unless it is with a VERY strong locker room where he isn't a leader but just needs to shut up and fall in line- like the Patriots. The Giants don't have the cache to force him to do that and you get the current version of Odell. I just pray that his poor attitude and lifestyle choice of being a celebrity 1st and a football player 2nd doesn't infect Barkley.
If you're going to make things up, what's the point?
He wouldn't play on a bruised leg?
Bullshit. He did what he was told by the staff and said he would absolutely have tried to play if they told him he could give it a go.
It's also disingenuous to just call it a "bruise" and make it sound like he didn't want to play when he wasn't actually hurt. He is legitimately injured and there's no reason to force him out there in meaningless football games and risk making it worse. It would be negligent for the team to do given their investment.
Wait a minute...if Odell didn't have a bruised leg what was his injury that kept him out of the last few games? Does he have a major soft tissue injury? A broken bone?
I've seen it called a hematoma in a few places, which is by definition a bruise.
You can't just deny factual information because it suits your narrative.
I understand Beckham has all of the talent in the world. I'd love him more than any player in history if his attitude was like a Barkley, who just plays his ass off, doesn't fuck with the team, doesn't get suspended, and most importantly doesn't put himself above the team. Like it or not, Beckham has embarrassed the Giants franchise a few times now.
What I find amazing is that in the small clique of BBI it is borderline sacrilegious to be anti-Beckham but when you randomly talk to Giant fans in the real world there is MUCH more sentiment that people want him gone and are sick of him.
You know what you're doing - you're diminishing the injury because you don't like the player and want to frame it as him being lazy/not wanting to play - since that would fit your narrative.
Not all bruises are the same, and some are legitimate football injuries. Beckham didn't sit out the final month of the season with a black and blue, but that's what you want people to think.
I also don't care about your anecdotal evidence regarding "real world fans" who are so different than the conglomerate of fans here. I can just counter it by saying the exact opposite. Who cares?
I don't think Beckham is lazy at all.
I DO know that the Giants had a chance after the Philly game to make the playoffs and were getting hot after the Redskins game, and Beckham didn't play in the Titans game because he had a leg bruise. That isn't conjecture or narrative it is a fact.
Now if you want to say that the medical staff absolutely refused to let him play, then you can believe that. I'd like to think that one of the highest paid guys on the team would want to show grit and leadership and demand to play, at least in a limited basis OR if he absolutely couldn't play then let him be out there with the guys on the bench helping watch the Ipads and coaching up guys like Coleman and Fowler. That is what leaders do.
Beckham doesn't care about the Giants. He has always been a me first guy and as I keep saying you can't win with the guy unless the team is SO good that he is forced to toe the line and just play. The Giants aren't close to that point, hence why he should have been traded a while ago.
If it was Barkley, I know you wouldn't care that he sat out. But because it's Beckham, he "doesn't care about the Giants"
He doesn't care about the Giants, but he hosted team dinners every week to watch TNF with his teammates. Every guy on the team praises him effusively. But you think he doesn't care about the team, so I guess we're all just supposed to believe that instead...
Rich.
This dude is psycho and his obsession with Beckham is embarrassing.
This dude is psycho and his obsession with Beckham is embarrassing.
Aren't you looking forward to free agency, where he will use "insider info" to tease the board, then cry that he won't share anything he is hearing because we are not worthy?
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I’m fine with people not liking Beckham, or wanting him traded. What’s lame are opinions stated as facts that are easily debunked.
This dude is psycho and his obsession with Beckham is embarrassing.
Aren't you looking forward to free agency, where he will use "insider info" to tease the board, then cry that he won't share anything he is hearing because we are not worthy?
The only insider info he has is what Odell ordered for lunch. That's the only thing anyone should believe since he stalks his social media like a mall cop.
This dude is psycho and his obsession with Beckham is embarrassing.
Jesus. What did I say was a fact that is just my opinion?
Yes I don't like the guy, but nothing I say isn't true. Name one thing in this thread. You can't.
That is what is sad. People will defend the guy to the end in spite of actions that are just not those of a winning player.
I'm not a Beckham Barkley or Eli fan, I am a Giant fan. I want to win. Having Beckham doesn't further that objective in my OPINION.
Plainly stated.
You know this how? What is it based on? A penalty he committed 2 seasons ago?
Get over it already, dude.
Giants haven't won much during Beckham's tenure therefore the Giants cannot win with Beckham.
that's how some people draw conclusions and the flimsy "logic" they use.
Realistically there are many reasons the Giants have been losing during Beckham's tenure, I do not view him as one of them, other than not being able to stay on the field enough.
when you trade Beckham, you create a hole that has to be filled and objectively I am comfortable saying Beckham is very likely the best wide receiver in NY Giants history.
Whoever the Giants try and fill that hole with will cost a lot of money as a FA (negating the contract argument) and/or be worse than Beckham putting the franchise in a worse spot than they were in with Beckham in terms of winning.
It's not a math problem, the Giants are better with Beckham (in my opinion).
Plainly stated.
You know this how? What is it based on? A penalty he committed 2 seasons ago?
Get over it already, dude.
How can that be a fact? That is my opinion based on the circumstances as presented.
I think a lot of the grief I get on this topic is because deep down people are conflicted. Even the most ardent supporter of the guy has to admit that he isn't a boy scout.
I know my approach isn't perfect but I can always defend my position without really attacking the poster. That is how you know you are on the right side of things.
If I say "Beckham should be traded" and the responses are that "TLG is a lawyer with no ethics" or "He will claim he has inside info and is a joke" then I always know I am ahead because that is nonsense.
Tell me why I am wrong let's debate the issue. I can respect that I am not foolish enough to say my opinion is the only valid one.
Giants haven't won much during Beckham's tenure therefore the Giants cannot win with Beckham.
that's how some people draw conclusions and the flimsy "logic" they use.
Realistically there are many reasons the Giants have been losing during Beckham's tenure, I do not view him as one of them, other than not being able to stay on the field enough.
when you trade Beckham, you create a hole that has to be filled and objectively I am comfortable saying Beckham is very likely the best wide receiver in NY Giants history.
Whoever the Giants try and fill that hole with will cost a lot of money as a FA (negating the contract argument) and/or be worse than Beckham putting the franchise in a worse spot than they were in with Beckham in terms of winning.
It's not a math problem, the Giants are better with Beckham (in my opinion).
See that is fair. Good Points. While I may disagree with some of it at least you bring a valid argument to the table. Thank You.
Yes I don't like the guy, but nothing I say isn't true. Name one thing in this thread. You can't.
Nothing isn't true?? What about the inference that Beckham doesn't care about the team and was happy to sit out?
Typical shit posting. Takes veiled shot at players based on "insider" information, obsesses about what sexuality player's exhibit, and consistently opines on the effort of people you have no fucking clue about.
Then lectures the board on what the rest of the "outside world" thinks. TLG is at least unifying. Where most here can't agree on anything, he's universally regarded as a cockmonkey, and believe me, the gay reference isn't lost.....
The Beckham rumors were pretty funny as he ferociously defended the fact that he doesn't obsess about sexuality, even though it was his main impetus for any posts about two prominent NFL guys.
Good times...
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You literally just said Beckham "doesn't care about the Giants"
Plainly stated.
You know this how? What is it based on? A penalty he committed 2 seasons ago?
Get over it already, dude.
How can that be a fact? That is my opinion based on the circumstances as presented.
I think a lot of the grief I get on this topic is because deep down people are conflicted. Even the most ardent supporter of the guy has to admit that he isn't a boy scout.
I know my approach isn't perfect but I can always defend my position without really attacking the poster. That is how you know you are on the right side of things.
If I say "Beckham should be traded" and the responses are that "TLG is a lawyer with no ethics" or "He will claim he has inside info and is a joke" then I always know I am ahead because that is nonsense.
Tell me why I am wrong let's debate the issue. I can respect that I am not foolish enough to say my opinion is the only valid one.
Because you're not trying to debate anything. You're simply spinning your disdain of Beckham into more nonsense.... like stating that he doesn't care about the team or making it seem like he had no interest in playing the final month of the season when everything he said himself was evidence to the contrary.
It's never about the player on the field with you, it's always a matter of him "embarrassing" the franchise or his personality.
He's literally done virtually nothing wrong in years, and we're still harping on shit from years ago. Why? Where does it get us?
And why does an NFL player need to be a Boy Scout to be rosterable? It's football, not a fucking election.
Your constant need to validate your own opinions and stances is strange. It's like you need to convince yourself that you're on the "right side of things" regularly here for some unknown reason or prove that you're more logical than anyone else - when it's actually often the opposite.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not conflicted whatsoever when it comes to Beckham. It's easy for me to worry about what he does on the football field and how he impacts the Giants and leave all the other stuff at the curb. None of the extracurricular stuff interests me much. When he gets arrested or does something off the field that will negatively impact the Giants, wake me up... until then, what he does on his own time is his business, not mine.
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I’m fine with people not liking Beckham, or wanting him traded. What’s lame are opinions stated as facts that are easily debunked.
This dude is psycho and his obsession with Beckham is embarrassing.
Jesus. What did I say was a fact that is just my opinion?
Yes I don't like the guy, but nothing I say isn't true. Name one thing in this thread. You can't.
That is what is sad. People will defend the guy to the end in spite of actions that are just not those of a winning player.
I'm not a Beckham Barkley or Eli fan, I am a Giant fan. I want to win. Having Beckham doesn't further that objective in my OPINION.
Your opinion isn't objective, that's the hilarious part. You have an agenda on every thread that involves Odell. You are pretty much the furthest thing from objective. Being in the minority doesn't make you objective, not sure if you knew that or not.
In your previous post you said that Beckham didn't want to play and didn't care about the team. Then someone responded and stated the team docs didn't clear him, but since you are so objective you didn't buy that.
The amount of time you spend on a guy you hate so much is bizarre.
Pro Tip: When you need to resort to attacking the messenger that means that your own rebuttal to the message is weak.
Again- I have my opinion and yes I am abrasive with it. If that bothers some people I apologize for that, but the message should not be lost.
I never said it was a FACT that Beckham didn't play because he isn't a team guy. I said he has a bruised leg and disappeared from the team when they had a chance to make the playoffs, both from playing OR from being on the sideline during home games (like other superstar team leaders) to help out. What is untrue about that? Nothing.
It is my OPINION that he isn't a team guy because of that. It is difficult for some of you to distinguish between the two because reality doesn't suit the narrative that Odell is this great player who gets a bad rap. Every piece of grief he gets he has brought on himself. I don't want to see my star player spearing other players getting ejected. I don't want to see my star player in a hotel room with drugs on video. I don't want to see my star player shirtless on a boat in the week leading up to a playoff game when he shits the bed.
Maybe these things don't bother you guys but it is my OPINION that it bothers me. Different strokes for Different folks I guess.
Also FYI, notice the usual suspects who bring up the nonsense that should have passed years ago just because again- they can't attack the message so they go right for the messenger.
Pro tip, you say odell brings everything upon himself, take a good look in the mirror at his spitting image.
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Jesus. What did I say was a fact that is just my opinion?
Yes I don't like the guy, but nothing I say isn't true. Name one thing in this thread. You can't.
Nothing isn't true?? What about the inference that Beckham doesn't care about the team and was happy to sit out?
Typical shit posting. Takes veiled shot at players based on "insider" information, obsesses about what sexuality player's exhibit, and consistently opines on the effort of people you have no fucking clue about.
Then lectures the board on what the rest of the "outside world" thinks. TLG is at least unifying. Where most here can't agree on anything, he's universally regarded as a cockmonkey, and believe me, the gay reference isn't lost.....
I'm the enemy here - but gay slurs towards me are cool because you are a BBI thought cabal leader? You have been here a while go ahead and re-read the Welcome to the Corner Forum post. I'm not a dick I won't report you for the anti-gay harassment, but I do find your repeated harping on that one issue curious...hmmmm.
How much longer are you going to hold onto this stuff? It's getting really sad at this point. I can't even imagine how you dealt with being dumped when you were younger.... good lord.
And again, it's the way you're wording the injury stuff. He "disappeared" from the team when they were in the playoff hunt. Again - bullshit. He didn't disappear. He was not healthy enough to play and was told that by the team doctors. It has nothing to do with his not wanting to be out there. You know what you're doing and trying to play the victim card per usual. It's tiring.