To start, trading OBJ (or wanting to trade him) should only happen if you think it's part of a long term solution to righting the ship. If your plans are short term, winning in 2019/2020 by all means keep him on the roster.
OBJ is expensive and has gotten hurt two years running. He is also mercurial and has shown he can be difficult to handle and required "speaking to." Would he be a new QBs best friend or worst enemy?
OBJ has trade value, a lot of it. He has shown he is a top tier player and competitor, I think there would be considerable competition for his services. OBJ would net a nice haul, minimum a 1st rd pick, but could he net more?
I also think its a slippery slope in that I dont think you can explore trading him and then NOT trade him. Once official word got out that he is being shopped its got to happen, so you'd have to properly assess his value.
If a team like the Jets or SF offered you a 2nd rd pick this year and a 1st next year, would you bite?
For Christ's sake, even look at this steaming pile of horseshit:
The message shouldn't be lost?? What. The. Fuck.
An unverified rumor that Rodgers and Beckham are gay shouldn't be lost? Fuck - that kind of nonsense shouldn't just be lost - it should never be brought up unless you have concrete evidence.
Your "messages" are constantly attacked. As well as you. And rightfully so. Fucking cockmonkey
For Christ's sake, even look at this steaming pile of horseshit:
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Again- I have my opinion and yes I am abrasive with it. If that bothers some people I apologize for that, but the message should not be lost.
The message shouldn't be lost?? What. The. Fuck.
An unverified rumor that Rodgers and Beckham are gay shouldn't be lost? Fuck - that kind of nonsense shouldn't just be lost - it should never be brought up unless you have concrete evidence.
Your "messages" are constantly attacked. As well as you. And rightfully so. Fucking cockmonkey
I think you brought up the gay stuff today man. Nice straw man in the Beckham should be traded discussion. I might do the same if it was tough to refute the points being made.
Please stop calling me gay slurs and let's stick to the discussion. You've now done it twice.
That is your opinion. I respect it while I disagree.
That's the difference between opinion and fact. One is easily verifiable.
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He was not healthy enough to play and was told that by the team doctors. It has nothing to do with his not wanting to be out there.
That is your opinion. I respect it while I disagree.
It's not an opinion. He said himself that he is simply doing what the doctors tell him to. Which part of that are you faulting him for? If he did the opposite and made a big stink about not wanting to listen to them, you'd be calling him an unhinged lunatic.
He can't win.
Here's the facts. He didn't practice and he didn't play. What else am I missing? As of 12/27 he wasn't practicing...fact or no?
How can anyone take you seriously?
Phrasing it politely doesn't make it legitimate.
I strenuously object!
Odell has no structural or even soft tissue injury. He has a bruise/hematoma.
Now again- let me be the first to say that NONE of us know the subjective amount of pain that Odell is in. Hence, we form OPINIONS on whether a player with a bruised leg (or whatever you want to classify the injury as if that doesn't suit you) is able to play or not.
It is absolutely true that for all we know Odell was begging to play but the trainers and doctors would not allow it, even when they were technically in the middle of a playoff race. It is also possible that Odell made a business decision to not push through a bruised leg. NOBODY can ever know the reality to that because only Odell really knows how he feels, which is why, on a discussion message board, we discuss and form opinions.
What I DO know is that some players, in that situation, push through being hurt. We find out sometimes that guys play with torn ACL's and meniscus tears or other major injuries. I'm not suggesting that anyone should do that.
Let's for argument sake say that you are all right and I am wrong, that Beckham took his desire to play all the way up to John Mara who just refused to risk his 90 million dollar investment. Again for all we know that could have happened. Where was Beckham during the home games? Turn on any game and you see the team leaders (unless they are recovering from major surgery of some kind) in street clothes on the sideline.
Let's end it here- I get it- I hate Beckham, you guys will constantly apologize for the guy. We are all entitled to our opinions.
What I don't appreciate is being ganged up on, personally attacked and the gay slurs. That is uncalled for.
Odell has no structural or even soft tissue injury. He has a bruise/hematoma.
Now again- let me be the first to say that NONE of us know the subjective amount of pain that Odell is in. Hence, we form OPINIONS on whether a player with a bruised leg (or whatever you want to classify the injury as if that doesn't suit you) is able to play or not.
It is absolutely true that for all we know Odell was begging to play but the trainers and doctors would not allow it, even when they were technically in the middle of a playoff race. It is also possible that Odell made a business decision to not push through a bruised leg. NOBODY can ever know the reality to that because only Odell really knows how he feels, which is why, on a discussion message board, we discuss and form opinions.
What I DO know is that some players, in that situation, push through being hurt. We find out sometimes that guys play with torn ACL's and meniscus tears or other major injuries. I'm not suggesting that anyone should do that.
Let's for argument sake say that you are all right and I am wrong, that Beckham took his desire to play all the way up to John Mara who just refused to risk his 90 million dollar investment. Again for all we know that could have happened. Where was Beckham during the home games? Turn on any game and you see the team leaders (unless they are recovering from major surgery of some kind) in street clothes on the sideline.
Let's end it here- I get it- I hate Beckham, you guys will constantly apologize for the guy. We are all entitled to our opinions.
What I don't appreciate is being ganged up on, personally attacked and the gay slurs. That is uncalled for.
Please list all the times that a player has not been cleared by the team doctors and still played.
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Let me put it this way.
Odell has no structural or even soft tissue injury. He has a bruise/hematoma.
You honestly have no clue what the extent of the injury is or if swelling/bruising led to complications. Even this is presenting things as facts that truly aren't.
You are the fucking worst.
What benefit is there in pushing Beckham to play when the playoffs are out of reach? We invested a lot of money in this player. Risking further injury in games that don't matter would be borderline negligent. There was no reason for NYG to do that. It's more important that we have him on the field at 100% for game 1 in 2019.
You keep trying to minimize the injury or make it seem like he simply elected to not play. If you actually read what he had to say about it, you'd know that wasn't true. But then you wouldn't be able to criticize him, so I understand why you'd choose not to gather all of the facts here before jumping to typical conclusions.
Thats just inexcusable.
It's entirely possible and likely there are legitimate team reasons why he wasn't out there eg, he's getting treatment, they didn't want him standing around for hours on it etc.
Why the need to jump to the worst on him about something you have no idea about?
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
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we are simply stating that you are incorrect in your assessment of his injury. That isn't an apology, that's you being wrong.
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
really?
Collins who has leaked out the locker-room dirty laundry on multiple occasions or take a knee Vernon?
I'm pretty sure the doctors and trainers know more about the extent of Odell's injury - probably even more than him!
Your ignorance on the subject of injuries is staggering.
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we are simply stating that you are incorrect in your assessment of his injury. That isn't an apology, that's you being wrong.
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
I’m curious in a “ non gang up” kind of way: Is there a statute of limitations on earning the benefit of the doubt? He has been rather quiet on the off the field circuit for several years now
I don't understand why this guy is talked about like an actual criminal. What has he done wrong recently? Appear in an old video where some girl is doing blow near him and he isn't?
Did he commit any penalties or do anything on the field this year that hurt the Giants?
We keep going back to shit from 2-3 years ago because that's all there is. The boat and Josh Norman... the boat and Josh Norman... oh, and the kicking net.
A neverending carousel of complaining about the same 3 incidents - none of which had any impact on the 2018 Giants, nor will they have any impact on anything that happens going forward.
What is there to be gained by not letting this stuff go? It's old news.
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we are simply stating that you are incorrect in your assessment of his injury. That isn't an apology, that's you being wrong.
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
You're wrong about a couple of things here. One being OBJ is the only one who know the extent of his leg injury. I'd say the team DRs,trainers and coaches know exactly how injured he is since he wasn't cleared to practice or play.
This isn't an instance of a team saying a player is fit and the player saying he can't go. It's just the opposite in fact.
You're criticizing him for off the field stuff and not being on the field when he's done everything he could all off season to get back from a nasty injury. That seems like a bit of a hypocritical claim to me.
I don't understand why this guy is talked about like an actual criminal. What has he done wrong recently? Appear in an old video where some girl is doing blow near him and he isn't?
Did he commit any penalties or do anything on the field this year that hurt the Giants?
We keep going back to shit from 2-3 years ago because that's all there is. The boat and Josh Norman... the boat and Josh Norman... oh, and the kicking net.
A neverending carousel of complaining about the same 3 incidents - none of which had any impact on the 2018 Giants, nor will they have any impact on anything that happens going forward.
What is there to be gained by not letting this stuff go? It's old news.
you are forgetting the fact that he played a basketball free throw game in his basement. This just happened this past month.
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we are simply stating that you are incorrect in your assessment of his injury. That isn't an apology, that's you being wrong.
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
You're wrong about a couple of things here. One being OBJ is the only one who know the extent of his leg injury. I'd say the team DRs,trainers and coaches know exactly how injured he is since he wasn't cleared to practice or play.
This isn't an instance of a team saying a player is fit and the player saying he can't go. It's just the opposite in fact.
You're criticizing him for off the field stuff and not being on the field when he's done everything he could all off season to get back from a nasty injury. That seems like a bit of a hypocritical claim to me.
not to mention that he played with the injury for a week before going to the team doctors when it wasn't improving.
Yet, 2 years ago, most of the OBJ detractors here were wondering why he couldn't act more like Brown.
Or maybe he could be more like Julio Jones and start groveling for more money right after he just got paid.
This irrational, obsessive disdain for Beckham that certain people have is just something I'll never quite understand. The amount of incidents compared to the amount of complaining about him and declarations that he needs to be traded just don't seem to reflect one another accurately.
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and Nicks was just "dogging" it too.
Lower leg injuries can be very problematic, especially hematomas. They often result in pressure and swelling that can affect nerves and circulation.
But yeah, he's just taking it easy on a simple bruise.
No. Nicks had compartment syndrome, a rare condition that caused insufficient blood supply to his leg AND more importantly Nicks had a major ankle injury (which required surgery) after Aqib Talib took him out after Nicks torched him.
2019- New Year same Fatman. Ill informed.
Lol. Ok. Stick to breaking Midwest Underground Gay Scene news you clown.
yeah he was fined for the interview, whats your point?
I'm sure lots of players got fined this year.
How many years need to go by before we stop with the Norman, boat, and kicking net things?
There has been no repeat of the Norman incident since - they've played against each other several times and Beckham has done nothing even with Norman trying to trigger him on a few occasions.
That the kicking net thing was even ever a "thing" is hilarious. I've seen Tom Brady spike his helmet, coolers, scream and yell... no one ever cares about it. Brady is just a fiery competitor while Beckham is some malcontent lunatic who can't control himself.
The double-standards and bullshit are endless when it comes to the people who don't like this guy. The goalposts just move and move and move no matter what he does or doesn't do.
He can't win. I say it all the time. No matter what he does, people find a way. And if there's nothing new to criticize, just make things up or go back to the Josh Norman well.
Rinse and repeat.
Again, what’s your point?
Was he doing coke in the video? No? Then remind me why I am supposed to give a shit.
Yet, 2 years ago, most of the OBJ detractors here were wondering why he couldn't act more like Brown.
Or maybe he could be more like Julio Jones and start groveling for more money right after he just got paid.
This irrational, obsessive disdain for Beckham that certain people have is just something I'll never quite understand. The amount of incidents compared to the amount of complaining about him and declarations that he needs to be traded just don't seem to reflect one another accurately.
Agreed completely. You could name dozens of players who have been far bigger on-field distractions than OBJ. What about Rodgers, who is universally considered a gigantic a$$hole and who probably undermined McCarthy. What about Cam Newton? What about Brady who consistently yells at teammates on the sidelines? What about Bell who held out for an entire season? These guys can be considered much bigger on-field distractions than OBJ but most fans would take those guys in a heartbeat. We never hear a single teammate complaining about OBJ. The guy hates losing and cares about how he plays. Trains hard. Showed up for camp this year despite his contract situation and never complained about basically having to prove himself to get a contract he deserved, yet fans are all over this guy like he is TO reincarnate. The reality is most top flight WRs are not Larry Fitzgerald. Most have a diva level and are a little different. Comes with the territory for the most part
- video with the coke
- called out by Mara, who then was called out by his dad (do we think his dad shot that off without Beckham knowing it?)
- fined by the head coach
So yeah it's not a body in the trunk, but this past year hasn't passed uneventfully for Beckham and the Giants.
Surprised no one got arrested for this. f-ing me-first distraction.
- video with the coke
- called out by Mara, who then was called out by his dad (do we think his dad shot that off without Beckham knowing it?)
- fined by the head coach
So yeah it's not a body in the trunk, but this past year hasn't passed uneventfully for Beckham and the Giants.
1 he wasn't doing coke, at worst he was smoking a blunt. I mean whats the point of being a pro athlete if you can't party in hotel rooms with chicks?
2 and three are the same thing
lets weigh that vs 1000 yards in 12 games in a dysfunctional offense.
Tomlin: "Yes."
And he meant that sh-t.
I have to assume this was said tongue in cheek... if not, take away the word "pro" ... being a professional, at anything, involves fucking maturity and certainly not being a fucking kid who would say what you just said.
That's when it was released. From what I remember, people pointed out that he was missing tattoos he had at the time, so it appeared the video was old.
Regardless, I'll ask it again... if he wasn't actually doing coke in the video, why do I care?
Are we going to play up a naivety card now where we act surprised to find out that star athletes may find themselves in situations other than being in the film room studying plays?
Let's compare that list that contains virtually nothing of relevance to this and decide what a distraction REALLY looks like...
• Brown took to Instagram to publicly call out his girlfriend and mother of his children for not taking care of her children from a previous relationship.
• Brown skipped most of OTAs after he saw Roethlisberger wasn't there. Roethlisberger later admitted he had a pre-planned family vacation during the optional practices.
• Brown slammed the media on the first day of mandatory minicamp, appearing to question why he plays, saying, “Am I playing football to make a lot of money or am I playing football to take care of my family?” Brown continued, saying the media puts pressure on him and that he is unable to go out in public because of it.
• Brown showed up in a helicopter to training camp.
• Brown disappeared for a week during training camp. Mike Tomlin claimed that he had been sent to Pittsburgh for medical tests, but Brown was filmed in a pool in Miami.
• Brown reportedly called Bouchette a “racist” after Bouchette tweeted that Brown was limping at training camp. He then called Bouchette a “clown” on Twitter. Reportedly, Brown apologized to Bouchette.
• Brown showed up more than four hours late to an event at Children’s Hospital, offering no explanation as to why he was so late.
• Brown makes a joke in a GQ article about cheating on his girlfriend and mother of children, saying “it’s kind of hard to keep it in my pants.”
• Brown threatened to assault ESPN’s The Undefeated reporter Jesse Washington, saying “wait to I see you bro we gone see what your jaw like.” Brown then issued a public apology, then went on a strange tirade to media in which he called himself an ”exceptionalism.”
• Brown was spotted by CBS cameras hugging former Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley during a game against Cleveland. He then was caught bragging about reaching 10,000 career receiving yards to Haley on team’s Snapchat, minutes after the 21-21 tie.
• Brown was seen yelling at his offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner and wide receivers coach Darryl Drake on the sideline. He then left the locker room before media could ask him about it vs Chiefs.
• Brown tweeted "trade me let's find out" when criticized on Twitter by former Steelers public relations staffer Ryan Scarpino.
• Brown failed to show up for Monday meetings after the Chiefs game. He then told the media he was “pissed off” because “we suck.”
• Brown was sued for trashing his Florida apartment and then claimed he had $80,000 in cash and a gun stolen from him. He was also sued for tossing furniture from the 14th floor of his apartment building, nearly hitting and, potentially, killing a 22-month-old toddler.
• Brown was cited for driving in excess of 100 miles per hour on McKnight Road, which was over 55 miles per hour more than the posted speed limit. Brown reportedly told police that he was late for a team meeting.
• Brown repeatedly posted his personal accolades on social media after Steelers losses, including a crucial 31-28 loss in New Orleans.
• Brown reportedly got into a disagreement with Roethlisberger in practice, throws a football at him and leaves practice.
• Brown reportedly skips the team’s walk through the day before Bengals game, shows up before the game, is told he won’t play and leaves at halftime.
All of these incidents, some major, some minor, have occurred since the last offseason. Brown, who will turn 31 in July, is set to have a base salary of $12,625,000 in 2019. He is signed through the 2021 season.
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we are simply stating that you are incorrect in your assessment of his injury. That isn't an apology, that's you being wrong.
By your and Fatman's logic we can never discuss the extent of a player's injury. If you read what I wrote I openly say that only one person knows the true extent of the injury and that is Odell.
I openly admit that my take is an opinion based on a generalization of leg bruises. I am no more incorrect in my assessment than anyone else other than Odell or someone who has examined him.
What I am doing is looking at this from a big picture perspective based on the circumstantial information available. Notice that I don't question Landon Collins, or Olivier Vernon for missing games. Why? Because they have never been anything but professionals in the way they act on and off of the field, so they have earned the benefit of the doubt. Beckham has not.
That still makes no sense. You should be questioning the medical staff if you think Odell's injury isn't major. If he wasn't cleared how is that Beckham's fault?