and let the guys ask the questions we deserve to have answered. Should've put Gettleman up for a bye week presser. Other teams have their GM's answer questions during the year. Not their fault they've had to wait a whole season to ask him anything.
Agree, I guess he didn't want to be late for lunch.
ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
playing that well before he got hurt? I didn't notice but DG thinks so.
His unknown potential "upside" is key to our future because IMHO, we definitely need a new, upgrade, OC, RG and RT. The only way this changes is if we sign Hilapion, Brown and Wheeler are all under contract AND we KNOW (based on practice, gamefilm, etc.,) that they can improve enough to be effective.
I'm just seeing a lot of question marks due to the number of holes we have???
was actually better quality than is usual. Typically, you need the transcript to understand the questions. This time, the transcript is needed to fill in the gaps.
RE: RE: Gotta get in on the ground floor of Lamar Jackson
ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
playing that well before he got hurt? I didn't notice but DG thinks so.
He graded out very well in pass blocking according to PFF. Best on the line at that point before he got hurt and had he done it over a full season would've been their #3 pass blocking C in the league. Graded him about average to below average as a run blocker.
mean absolutely nothing, but when you put two and two together of Archie's statement on Eli "But if he comes back, the Giants have got to win. They can't go through another season like this." and the fact that Gettleman said Eli asked for this meeting and his need to be bluntly honest you have to imagine Eli requested a meeting with Gettleman to truly gauge where the feeling in the room is in regards to the Giants chances next year. What was said, no one knows, but definitely would feel like this was a feeling out meeting on Manning's behalf as to whether or not he wants to go at it for another year with this team.
I would like to know what his answer was on OV and JJ question
I can't stand the Ravens but I think it's because of their fan-base. When the team is good, everyone is die-hard and trash-talking like idiots (even to me, whose team has zero rivalry with them.) When the team is mediocre or bad, it's like they don't exist. I understand why the Colts left. I know many people who suddenly became Eagles' fans last year and claimed to have "always rooted for the Eagles when Baltimore had no team." And there's also the unquestioned support of Ray Lewis. Some teams have asshole fans, these guys are just pathetic.
ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
Watson is a better passer than Jackson. I think that once teams have enough film on Jackson they will figure out ways to stop him and keep him in the pocket and he will struggle. That or he will suffer a serious knee injury.
playing that well before he got hurt? I didn't notice but DG thinks so.
Looking back, and not being a film junkie, Halapio may have been the best lineman before he got hurt. The LT was new, playing hurt and trying to help the LG. The LG was raw and learning. The C was trying to help the RG and learning himself. The RG somehow fooled everyone but was trying to help out the overmatched RT.
If the Giants have even average production from the center position, and only have to address RG and RT, they are in much better shape than last year.
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like Eli wants to come back but cited the issues on the OL and the Offense in general to Eli. Which Eli countered with it picked up in the 2nd 1/2 after the OL got a tab bit better. To which Dave G said it needs to be better and that costs .... which leads into the paycut/restructure convo ... Eli will say he does not warrant a straight paycut and Dave G will say if you want better OL then work with me ... sounds like a very friendly team restructure happens vs a paycut (my choice and preference). Both sides has a little leverage and it is in both parties interest to meet in the middle for minimize any transitional "pains".
I agree with this 100%.
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be stunned if Gettleman gave Eli the Steve Smith ultimatum and treatment.
Exactly. Eli wants to stay and play here. He hasn't won no matter how much we love him and how much the team around him has roster issues. So a pay cut affords flexibility allowing Eli to stick and compete. Refusal to do so, which if I'm Eli I probably would just walk instead, would likely lead to his release.
Eli can still play - He just isn't a game changer. Something should change here.
I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
And yet no one would balk at paying A Rodgers. While hes not run first, he is a mobile QB and nicked up often due to his mobility.
KC because I had money on them to win the AFC West, and Baltimore because I'm fascinated by the offense they are running. I'm a big Jackson believer, but more than that I like seeing a team fully commit to having an offense run around the mobile QB. Since Jackson took over they have run 45 times for 230 yards per game (5 yards per carry). They've won the TOP battle in all 7 games, and are 6-1 over that stretch with the 1 loss being the Mahomes OT insanity game in KC.
Yeah it's only 7 games, but they're showing that there's another way to play offense in the NFL. It's a way that should interest us given the quality of our RB and the fact we're probably looking at a new QB soon.
He is non-committal to Eli, is because he doesn't want to tip off what he's going to do with the #6 overall pick. Duh.
C'mon guys, think.
Exactly..
This makes zero sense. One, FA happens prior to the draft. Two, Eli is owed a 5 million dollar roster bonus at the start of the new league year. Any decision on Eli is going to be made well in advance of the draft. And Eli is not stopping this team from drafting a QB if that player is wanted by this organization.
if the next conversation between DG, and Eli and his agent,
centers around taking a pay cut to stay here.
If Gettleman was supposedly 'blunt' when talking with Eli,
then the pay cut, wouldn't be a surprise at all in the future conversation(s).
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I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
We're really millering a thread for a different topic though. I'm fine having the conversation, but this isn't a thread about Lamar Jackson. It just happened to be sidetracked out of a comment made about the Ravens team website.
and 15 twice (one was 2011 when he sat the final game of regular season). He's only missed time in 2013 and 2017 due to major injuries. He's also consistently made the postseason (basically only missed them his first season starting and this year).
If there was a running QB with any where close to that type of track record, they would get paid too.
Halapio isn't a young project, the Giants are his 7th organization since 2014 including two separate stints in the FXFL.
He may have been playing well and may continue to play well - nothing I will post is a commentary on that at all, just saying he's 28 years old before training camp next year and has 8 career NFL starts (all with the Giants though he was on practice squads for the Patriots (twice), Broncos, and Cardinals (plus the aforementioned FXFL).
Agree, I guess he didn't want to be late for lunch.
C'mon guys, think.
Exactly..
ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
I'm just seeing a lot of question marks due to the number of holes we have???
That's not saying much, LOL.
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ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
He graded out very well in pass blocking according to PFF. Best on the line at that point before he got hurt and had he done it over a full season would've been their #3 pass blocking C in the league. Graded him about average to below average as a run blocker.
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Dave Gettleman says Eli Manning came in to him on Monday and says he wanted to talk.
"Wasn't like he was called to the principal's office. He came to see me."
Based on Archie's comments earlier this week, I wonder if Eli went in and gave his list of demands for next season.
Sounds like Eli came in Monday to talk to DG. Also sounds like it was a very honest and direct conversation.
I can't stand the Ravens but I think it's because of their fan-base. When the team is good, everyone is die-hard and trash-talking like idiots (even to me, whose team has zero rivalry with them.) When the team is mediocre or bad, it's like they don't exist. I understand why the Colts left. I know many people who suddenly became Eagles' fans last year and claimed to have "always rooted for the Eagles when Baltimore had no team." And there's also the unquestioned support of Ray Lewis. Some teams have asshole fans, these guys are just pathetic.
That would be a good thing. Let him count his money and stay out of personnel decisions.
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ahh...so you think the Ravens would trade Jackson because people "stupid fans" have doubt? The guy won three games without throwing a TD pass. Once he figures out the offense and how to play in an NFL system, he is going to be as dangerous as Watson.
Watson is a better passer than Jackson. I think that once teams have enough film on Jackson they will figure out ways to stop him and keep him in the pocket and he will struggle. That or he will suffer a serious knee injury.
Looking back, and not being a film junkie, Halapio may have been the best lineman before he got hurt. The LT was new, playing hurt and trying to help the LG. The LG was raw and learning. The C was trying to help the RG and learning himself. The RG somehow fooled everyone but was trying to help out the overmatched RT.
If the Giants have even average production from the center position, and only have to address RG and RT, they are in much better shape than last year.
I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
I agree with this 100%.
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I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Exactly. Eli wants to stay and play here. He hasn't won no matter how much we love him and how much the team around him has roster issues. So a pay cut affords flexibility allowing Eli to stick and compete. Refusal to do so, which if I'm Eli I probably would just walk instead, would likely lead to his release.
Eli can still play - He just isn't a game changer. Something should change here.
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I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
I would be. I don't think Mara would get behind that.
I think it's more likely they try and restructure his deal so he gets all his money than it is for them to give him a take it or leave it ultimatum.
I know he's due a lot next year and eats a chunk of the cap but I think they find a way for him to get all the money due him.
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I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
And yet no one would balk at paying A Rodgers. While hes not run first, he is a mobile QB and nicked up often due to his mobility.
Yeah it's only 7 games, but they're showing that there's another way to play offense in the NFL. It's a way that should interest us given the quality of our RB and the fact we're probably looking at a new QB soon.
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He is non-committal to Eli, is because he doesn't want to tip off what he's going to do with the #6 overall pick. Duh.
C'mon guys, think.
Exactly..
This makes zero sense. One, FA happens prior to the draft. Two, Eli is owed a 5 million dollar roster bonus at the start of the new league year. Any decision on Eli is going to be made well in advance of the draft. And Eli is not stopping this team from drafting a QB if that player is wanted by this organization.
Say what?
Jeez, I wouldn't want a guy like him to handle home inspection.
centers around taking a pay cut to stay here.
If Gettleman was supposedly 'blunt' when talking with Eli,
then the pay cut, wouldn't be a surprise at all in the future conversation(s).
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I love him. I want him to be great. Hated how he was treated in the draft.
how was he treated?
It really should be it's own topic. That's not what this thread is for.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but maybe a lot of teams downgraded him because he's a run first QB with a slight frame and the history of run first QBs isn't very long. Vick played 16 games once in his career and only made the postseason 4 times. Newton's been much healthier and more successful, but he's a physical anomaly at 6-5, 245 lbs and may be starting to show some wear and tear at only 29.
When part of the argument for taking a QB over other players is due to their longevity, you have to knock Jackson relative to the other QBs too. And with QB being the most important position on the field, durability and stability at the position is critical. Teams can't afford to have their QB missing 3-4-5 games a season with injuries.
We're really millering a thread for a different topic though. I'm fine having the conversation, but this isn't a thread about Lamar Jackson. It just happened to be sidetracked out of a comment made about the Ravens team website.
If there was a running QB with any where close to that type of track record, they would get paid too.
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Dave Gettleman says Eli Manning came in to him on Monday and says he wanted to talk.
"Wasn't like he was called to the principal's office. He came to see me."
Based on Archie's comments earlier this week, I wonder if Eli went in and gave his list of demands for next season.
List of demands? lol.
During Beningo and Roberts? HAHAHAHAHA.
They were taking calls about Bruce Arians coming out of retirement to coach the Jets!
Halapio isn't a young project, the Giants are his 7th organization since 2014 including two separate stints in the FXFL.
He may have been playing well and may continue to play well - nothing I will post is a commentary on that at all, just saying he's 28 years old before training camp next year and has 8 career NFL starts (all with the Giants though he was on practice squads for the Patriots (twice), Broncos, and Cardinals (plus the aforementioned FXFL).
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be stunned if Gettleman gave Eli the Steve Smith ultimatum and treatment.
I would be. I don't think Mara would get behind that.
I think it's more likely they try and restructure his deal so he gets all his money than it is for them to give him a take it or leave it ultimatum.
I know he's due a lot next year and eats a chunk of the cap but I think they find a way for him to get all the money due him.
I wouldn't be stunned at all. It is the way DG has handled a lot of veterans in his career. steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Jon Beason, Jordan Gross.
When he broached the topic for Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen he was shown the door.
He has a connection point there. He didn't with Steve Smith and Greg Olsen.
It does matter. You see how fans stay so emotionally connected to players. Imagine if you worked with the guy directly.
Nothing would surprise me. I trust DG to do what's right by the Giants.
Looks like they finally posted it on giants.com