Manning’s big-time throw percentage from a clean pocket (3.3%) was the sixth-lowest in the NFL in 2018. Fitting in accurate passes into tight windows down the field hasn’t been easy for Manning in recent years.
for the rating services. You often bring this up and I'm not really sure why.
Teams pay for their non-subjective services. Stat collection.
That's completely different.
there isn't a single team that uses PFF for qualitative analysis.
The qualitative analysis isn't based on their stat collection? I think it is.
Jim, teams pay for PFF to gather stats around formations, snap counts and personnel packages. They don't pay for them to grade the players performance on each play, which is what all of the PFF rankings are based on.
and PFF had Eli in the top five, Eli's Army would be doing cartwheels and espousing the genius of PFF.
Instead, they attack their new enemy and spin what a sneaky good year Eli had.
BBI = Jints Central.
Jints Central- moi??!
Understand, no one is advocating keeping Manning until time stands still. Let him play out his contract, fine. Spend a #1 on a qb and not re-sign Manning, no problem. Turning the team over to never-will-be Lauletta or throwing money away on someone else's failed #1 pick, problem.
And watch them regress. Duh. The Giants have had garbage up front for years. The miracle was the 11-5 season. How was that possible?
That was McAdoo doing a great job of game day coaching. Of the 11 wins, 9 of them came down to the last possession. In several of them the opposing team had the ball with the chance to win and either ran out of time or were unable to get in position to score. You can do a lot with a solid defense and excellent kicking game. Brad Wing and Dwayne Harris were phenomenal that year.
McAdoo had an argument to be in coach of the year consideration in 2016. He also had a great game plan going into the playoff game in Green Bay, and his players let him down.
You’re serious.
Mcadoo didn’t get in the way in 2016. If we had a better HC that knew how to run an offense and maximize its talents we would have been even better that season. Maybe not in terms of wins and losses but better overall. That team had no staying power. They earned their 11 wins but shurmur would have won that year too. Mcadoo didn’t break any ground on clock mgmt cmon.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
Odell literally carried the offense.
Sterling Shepard was the #2.
Targets:
SS 105, Cruz 72
Yards:
SS 683, Cruz 586
A high second round choice with 2300 yards in 3 years, this continued narrative that he sucks is one of the great myths that continues to get spewed here.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
Odell literally carried the offense.
Sterling Shepard was the #2.
Targets:
SS 105, Cruz 72
Yards:
SS 683, Cruz 586
A high second round choice with 2300 yards in 3 years, this continued narrative that he sucks is one of the great myths that continues to get spewed here.
Semantics. Cruz played the outside, Shep the inside.
And Ruben Randle's last 3 years (at which point he was younger than SS.) produced 2300 yards. Whoopie?
this notion that Eli hasn't had studs to throw to... usually multiples.. is such a crock of shit.
Not sure why you go so out of your way to defend him all the time. I do hope he or his agent is paying you for this.
I do agree that his offensive line has been shit for going on a decade now... which is of course a huge deal for a passing game... and to his credit, most QBs would have retired or had no mental toughness at all by now (e.g., David Carr). I know Ben would have retired.
Teams pay for their non-subjective services. Stat collection.
That's completely different.
there isn't a single team that uses PFF for qualitative analysis.
The qualitative analysis isn't based on their stat collection? I think it is.
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for the rating services. You often bring this up and I'm not really sure why.
Teams pay for their non-subjective services. Stat collection.
That's completely different.
there isn't a single team that uses PFF for qualitative analysis.
The qualitative analysis isn't based on their stat collection? I think it is.
Jim, teams pay for PFF to gather stats around formations, snap counts and personnel packages. They don't pay for them to grade the players performance on each play, which is what all of the PFF rankings are based on.
Let me reiterate - no team is paying for their player rating services.
However, I always believe in evaluating an argument based on its merits or lack thereof. I don't believe in poison the well fallacial arguments.
I don't even think I agree with PFF here, but I also know I don't have enough information to dispute them substantially.
Instead, they attack their new enemy and spin what a sneaky good year Eli had.
BBI = Jints Central.
Understand, no one is advocating keeping Manning until time stands still. Let him play out his contract, fine. Spend a #1 on a qb and not re-sign Manning, no problem. Turning the team over to never-will-be Lauletta or throwing money away on someone else's failed #1 pick, problem.
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and PFF had Eli in the top five, Eli's Army would be doing cartwheels and espousing the genius of PFF.
Instead, they attack their new enemy and spin what a sneaky good year Eli had.
BBI = Jints Central.
I would not be one of them. I have hated these kind of statistics even when they favored Eli.
Fixed it for you.
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and PFF had Eli in the top five, Eli's Army would be doing cartwheels and espousing the genius of PFF.
Instead, they attack their new enemy and spin what a sneaky good year Eli had.
BBI = Jints Central.
I would not be one of them. I have hated these kind of statistics even when they favored Eli.
Fixed it for you.
Fuck off. I know being an asshole is your thing... but maybe you don’t be a dick to start the year. I know it’s asking a lot.
Way too high.
Let's see if he can throw for over 100 yards this time against Rod Marinelli's defense in Dallas.
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In comment 14244487 bw in dc said:
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and PFF had Eli in the top five, Eli's Army would be doing cartwheels and espousing the genius of PFF.
Instead, they attack their new enemy and spin what a sneaky good year Eli had.
BBI = Jints Central.
I would not be one of them. I have hated these kind of statistics even when they favored Eli.
Fixed it for you.
Fuck off. I know being an asshole is your thing... but maybe you don’t be a dick to start the year. I know it’s asking a lot.
Lighten up, Francis. You do legitimately seem to hate statistics in general.
But as long as we're leaning into our respective reputations, I guess the overly sensitive whining is on brand for you.
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And watch them regress. Duh. The Giants have had garbage up front for years. The miracle was the 11-5 season. How was that possible?
That was McAdoo doing a great job of game day coaching. Of the 11 wins, 9 of them came down to the last possession. In several of them the opposing team had the ball with the chance to win and either ran out of time or were unable to get in position to score. You can do a lot with a solid defense and excellent kicking game. Brad Wing and Dwayne Harris were phenomenal that year.
McAdoo had an argument to be in coach of the year consideration in 2016. He also had a great game plan going into the playoff game in Green Bay, and his players let him down.
You’re serious.
Mcadoo didn’t get in the way in 2016. If we had a better HC that knew how to run an offense and maximize its talents we would have been even better that season. Maybe not in terms of wins and losses but better overall. That team had no staying power. They earned their 11 wins but shurmur would have won that year too. Mcadoo didn’t break any ground on clock mgmt cmon.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
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were 5th in total team health in 2016.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
Odell literally carried the offense.
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were 5th in total team health in 2016.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
Odell literally carried the offense.
Sterling Shepard was the #2.
Targets:
SS 105, Cruz 72
Yards:
SS 683, Cruz 586
A high second round choice with 2300 yards in 3 years, this continued narrative that he sucks is one of the great myths that continues to get spewed here.
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In comment 14245821 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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were 5th in total team health in 2016.
The only season they have finished above 20th since 2010.
That's why we made the playoffs, and I don't think I'd be too offbase saying it was the sole reason.
The defense was remarkable that year. The defense was Super Bowl caliber. Janoris Jenkins probably had his best year as a pro. Landon Collins was a DPOY candidate. Snacks was dominant. Even JPP had a pretty good year in the 12 games he played. Vernon got a lot of pressure on the QB.
The defense that year allowed the 2nd fewest in the NFL, and the offense scored the 26th most in the NFL. People seem to not remember that the offense was still a dumpster fire that year, and the defense just carried the Giants. Ben McAdoo came in as an offensive coach and was the play-caller. You know who had a great year that year? Coach Spags. McAdoo sucked because his side of the ball sucked, his offense sucked. Yeah, I understand, he was the head coach and gets credit for everything, but in reality, he didn't really have much of anything to do with the defense, and he was calling the offense, and that side of the ball was bad.
A lot of you said is spot on. A lot of people forget that on that roster we had...
Jennings and Perkins as RBs - Jennings was out of the league the next year and perkins was a stiff and hasnt playe in a year and a 1/2.
Tye and Donnell were our TEs - beither played in 2017 outside a toek nappearence.
Cruz was our number 2 and out of the league the next year.
Odell literally carried the offense.
Sterling Shepard was the #2.
Targets:
SS 105, Cruz 72
Yards:
SS 683, Cruz 586
A high second round choice with 2300 yards in 3 years, this continued narrative that he sucks is one of the great myths that continues to get spewed here.
Semantics. Cruz played the outside, Shep the inside.
And Ruben Randle's last 3 years (at which point he was younger than SS.) produced 2300 yards. Whoopie?
760 yards/year in first 3 years is pretty good. Just FYI.
Not sure why you go so out of your way to defend him all the time. I do hope he or his agent is paying you for this.
I do agree that his offensive line has been shit for going on a decade now... which is of course a huge deal for a passing game... and to his credit, most QBs would have retired or had no mental toughness at all by now (e.g., David Carr). I know Ben would have retired.
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Did I once say this?
Didnt I just say in this very thread that Odell carried the 2016 offense? Please lets not make things up for sake of an argument please.