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Would you be upset with two OL in the first two rounds?

Beezer : 1/2/2019 1:59 pm
I would not.

I'm reading a lot of posts saying the Giants should draft one and sign one offensive lineman. But let's say Jonah Williams is available at 6 (the mock draft from earlier has him going with the 5th pick to the Bucs). If the Jags want Haskins, maybe the trade above the Giants (fine by me), allowing the Giants to grab Williams, and we immediately plug him into the RT slot.

I've watched some videos of Wisconsin center Tyler Biadasz. I've read a different 4-round mock that sees Biadasz, the top-ranked center, going 74th overall (9th in the third round). It could be a risk/reach at that point, so if it makes sense at that point, trade back in the second, or high in the third, and try to grab another later-round pick for defense. With Saquon Barkley in our backfield, I'd argue that cementing this offensive line for the next 3-4 years (with a few serviceable backups) might be a very smart way to go.

Here would be our starting O-line next fall, with ages in September.

LT - Nate Solder - 31
LG - Will Hernandez - 24
C - Tyler Biadasz - (can't find his age online, but 20?)
RG - Jamon Brown - 26
RT - Jonah Williams - 21

Reserves

Chad Wheeler (OT) - 25
Brian Mihalik (OT) - 27
John Greco (OG) - 34
Jon Halapio (C) - 28
Spencer Pulley (C) - 26

Essentially, defense would be filled through FA and the lower-end of the draft. I think we're set at TE, with the flexibility to move Engram inside and out, as an additional WR when desired. I think he showed something this season - 33 catches, 475 yards his last 7 games. I think we'd all be pretty happy with 50-60 catches in the 750-800 ballpark from him next year.

I'm hoping the Giants could look at guys like CJ Mosley and KJ Wright as linebacker, as well as a couple of the higher-echelon DBs at both S and CB.

Top o' the draft: Fix the O-line. Go from there.

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YES!  
Dutch77 : 1/2/2019 2:42 pm : link
Who are they protecting?
Only if the available talent dictates  
Stu11 : 1/2/2019 2:43 pm : link
Lets face it we have way too many needs for this draft to fill any way. Very few teams have gotten into trouble constantly taking the best football players available(with the exception being QB if you have one already). We need football players period. Especially in the trenches and LB.
I am with the group  
ChicagoMarty : 1/2/2019 2:45 pm : link
that wants to draft the best Defensive players available when we draft.

There is really no Defensive position on our current roster that does not need an upgrade.

For sure an upgrade at ORT is needed. Whether via the draft or free agency or trade is unclear right now.

We have enough picks to find an interior OL somewhere in the draft.

But our Defense cries out for an infusion of talent.

Let's not reach. DG did a nice job in the middle rounds of last year's draft. Hopefully, he can duplicate his success.
A little bit  
allstarjim : 1/2/2019 2:49 pm : link
In the last 4 drafts, the Giants have devoted only 3 of 8 of what I would call "premium" picks (first two rounds of the draft) to the defense, and only 1 first rounder.

One of those defensive picks (and the only first rounder) is no longer with the team (Apple), and one of them may not be next season (Collins). I think we saw this past season that some attention is greatly needed on that defense. Real talent, not just mid-round gambles.

If you're going to go offensive again in the first round, I believe it has to be for a QB, and I don't see the value at 6 for any this go around, so I would say you try to trade down if that's your plan.

The OL needs this team has in the short-term can be addressed in free agency and/or in those middle rounds, particularly at OG and C.
ER-ER is more likely  
WillVAB : 1/2/2019 2:53 pm : link
Given the state of the team and the talent at the picks.
Wezer: minor issue but Greco is done.  
Ivan15 : 1/2/2019 2:58 pm : link
And Halapio will compete for starting Center.
NO if they are BPAs for our team  
TMS : 1/2/2019 3:05 pm : link
like DG said.
I really think Collins pass coverage has been exposed at strong safety  
Ivan15 : 1/2/2019 3:10 pm : link
Adams was a better all-around safety. Collins needs to play LB. Is he an OLB in a 3-4?
That would be a great draft! Then with the next two picks draft  
SterlingArcher : 1/2/2019 3:10 pm : link
players for the defense. After that does it really matter? Those late round picks have very little chance of making the roster.
Pettigout / Rosenthal...  
x meadowlander : 1/2/2019 3:13 pm : link
...as long as it works out better than last time.
Folks may be underestimating  
idiotsavant : 1/2/2019 3:13 pm : link
Wheeler.

He's basically a rookie

No pundits questioned his ceiling, he dropped on health and seems to have conquered that.

I'm leaning towards a legit pro bowl type or close center via free agency and the all defense draft.

Opportunities meet needs.
Ferrell round 1  
dep026 : 1/2/2019 3:15 pm : link
Edwards round 2
Center in round 4

Thank you very much.
LB's still have to pass cover  
ChicagoMarty : 1/2/2019 3:21 pm : link
So moving Collins to lb is a non-starter. His pass coverage of TE's and Rb's is awful. Don't even get me started about how bad he is in covering WR's or providing deep coverage at S.

Collins is a box safety who plays well against the run

But run plays represent only one-third of the usual offensive plays of our opponents.

That means Collins is a liability on two-thirds of the plays that he is on the field.
.  
idiotsavant : 1/2/2019 3:22 pm : link
1. DT
2. OLB
3. FS
4. IlB
4. Corner
5. SS
6. OLB
7. ILB

Free agency:
Center
Followed by:
Center
By DT  
idiotsavant : 1/2/2019 3:29 pm : link
I'm including the 3/4 DE function.

Any DT drafted that high,even if large enough for DT , would have to have the quicks and moves enough for the "3/4 DE" function also.

If smaller (min 285 for front 3 that high) must be a total game wrecker.

Otherwise looking if the player at 260 can function as an olb
If either of them  
cjac : 1/2/2019 3:29 pm : link
can play defense i'd be fine with it.


Seriously, there is no way we take 2 OL in the first 2 rounds with all the holes on defense
We need 3 OLmen, not 2.....  
Doomster : 1/2/2019 3:31 pm : link
Brown is an UFA.....coming off his rookie contract, he is looking for a big pay day.....in an NFL starved for OLmen, he might get a huge offer.....based on his play, he is not worth it.....he was better than what we had before him, but he is not the answer....

I am all in on making the OL better/fixed....if the first round has a stud edge rusher, you probably go for him....but I would use the second, and even package a couple picks to move up if necessary to get another OLman, and then get the third in FAcy, or two free agents and a draftee......Fixing this OL make Eli better, makes Barkley even better, and creates a stable OL for a future Rookie QB....

As far as the defense goes, I would go for an edge rusher in the first if he is there(I doubt there will be a QB we really want), and then I would concentrate on the safety and CB positions.....back in 2016, it was the play of our defensive backfield, that was huge, and it was the DL that was given most of the credit.....If receivers are covered, that qb has to hold onto the ball a hair longer......sometimes that makes all the difference in the world...

So if we are going all in xyear with Eli again, fixing the OL is a must.....and on defense, I think we take a chance on one more year of OV, hoping he can stay healthy, and hopefully someone can coach him to contain the edge....Lack of corners forces us to keep Jenkins at least one more year....but Collins has to go, unless he signs a very favorable contract...his coverage skills are a liability....getting a stud linebacker would be huge....
IMO, Disruptive, Difference-Maker on Defense  
clatterbuck : 1/2/2019 4:12 pm : link
needs to be addressed in first round (assuming no QB). If it's Haskins or another QB, then round 2. This should be a defense focused draft.
At one time  
Gman11 : 1/2/2019 4:21 pm : link
I would have said that drafting OL the first two rounds would be a great idea. After watching the defense being unable to make a stop in the 4th quarter I've changed my mind. Yes, they need help on the OL big time, but the defense....UGH.
I wouldn't mind...  
BillKo : 1/2/2019 4:29 pm : link
...as long as those are the best players avail.

I wouldn't, for example, go OL in round 1 when a great edge rusher is there for the picking.

Best avail, is still the way to go.

Positions I'd say away from early, meaning first four rounds: WR, RB, TE. But everywhere else the Giants can improve the team by picking a position.

Accumulate good players. And don't reach!
Glad you are happy with Wheeler  
Bob in Newburgh : 1/2/2019 4:30 pm : link
Looks like his ceiling on a good o-line is backup swing OT.
We need defense and OL  
Frank from CA : 1/2/2019 4:37 pm : link
The Front Office has to nail all their picks and have actual prospects that can play in the NFL. There has to be competent scouting at the college and pro level. OL can be rebuilt through value FA acquisitions in addition to draftees. Several responses have expressed these realities. I feel the pain of watching a defense wilt in the fourth quarter each week. I moan an d bitch about how the Giants have failed at acquiring players to become part of a quality OL. In short I seriously doubt that this team will be lucky enough to have two great prospects be the BPA in rounds one and two. The DL is usually at a premium which will dictate that one of the top picks be spent on an edge rusher or NT.
Not this year.  
Matt M. : 1/2/2019 5:03 pm : link
Cirst of all, this draft is heavy on DL and/or pass rushers, which are as big needs. Second, I don't think there is an OL I'd take at #6.
no because  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 5:07 pm : link
I doubt it will happen
RE: Folks may be underestimating  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14244668 idiotsavant said:
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Wheeler.

He's basically a rookie

No pundits questioned his ceiling, he dropped on health and seems to have conquered that.

I'm leaning towards a legit pro bowl type or close center via free agency and the all defense draft.

Opportunities meet needs.


Wheeler blows.
Williams is the only one worth considering at 6  
Ssanders9816 : 1/2/2019 5:17 pm : link
No other OL should even be a thought after him until the 2nd.

But Iíd rather a DE/LB first then a guy like Taylor or Risner in the second.
Taylorís not lasting till the second  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:26 pm : link
May even go before Williams because heís considered more of a true tackle.
I think that Haskins, Gary, Bosa, Quentin Williams  
barens : 1/2/2019 5:47 pm : link
and Josh Allen would have to be off the board, after that, I think Williams would be a nice pick.
Not one bit  
mattlawson : 1/2/2019 5:50 pm : link
.
D needs be addressed  
OC2.0 : 1/2/2019 7:53 pm : link
1 or both ways.
it seems like no one remembers when Giants drafted Banks in first,  
plato : 1/2/2019 7:56 pm : link
despite having LT. Either Young or Parcells talked about needing strength at both OLB positions and taking best player available. This hardly quieted down the media and the fans.

Seems like history has. So keep that in mind when talking about future or 2019 draft picks.
Hell yes I would be pissed  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/2/2019 9:48 pm : link
We have needs all over the place. OL sure but that's not the only area we need to find talent ASAP.
Fix the fucking defense  
djm : 1/2/2019 9:52 pm : link
..
RE: it seems like no one remembers when Giants drafted Banks in first,  
ajr2456 : 1/2/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14245057 plato said:
Quote:
despite having LT. Either Young or Parcells talked about needing strength at both OLB positions and taking best player available. This hardly quieted down the media and the fans.

Seems like history has. So keep that in mind when talking about future or 2019 draft picks.


Thereís a difference between taking the same position in different years and spending two premium picks in one draft in one area.
Yes I would  
5BowlsSoon : 1/2/2019 9:56 pm : link
One is fine.....pick up another later. We desperately need defense after blowing all those games.
If they were the two  
section125 : 1/2/2019 9:58 pm : link
best players at the time they choose, then no.

But, after reading the Gettleman presser, he seems real high on Halapio and I wondered about him. Might be the center position is filled?

But the other thing DG said was it is wrong to say you need x and then just take an x. Seems BPA is the way to go.
No I would not mind at all -  
short lease : 1/4/2019 8:04 am : link
if the talent was there. Don't want to take a OL (who is projected to the 4th round) .... in the 2nd round just because he is OL.


BPA - We have plenty of holes to fill.
Wheeler did not just drop on health  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/4/2019 8:15 am : link
And I'm not sure why anyone would be okay with how he played in year 2. He was not essentially a rookie. He saw live action last season and competed for a starting job this summer. And didn't clearly outplay Ereck Flowers for the starting RT job.

Okay to have as depth, wouldn't be terrible as a backup, but you need better and more reliable as a starter.
All this hand wringing is not necessary  
B in ALB : 1/4/2019 8:16 am : link
At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.
RE: All this hand wringing is not necessary  
Big Blue '56 : 1/4/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14246878 B in ALB said:
Quote:
At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.


As of this moment, pre-combine, who would be your choice at 6?
...  
christian : 1/4/2019 8:18 am : link
Gettleman is in the enviable position that only RB would be a bad investment of the 6th pick.

Literally every other position is a need on this team.
RE: RE: All this hand wringing is not necessary  
B in ALB : 1/4/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14246880 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
In comment 14246878 B in ALB said:


Quote:


At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.



As of this moment, pre-combine, who would be your choice at 6?


I would love one of the Williams - but Jonah is more likely. Ferrell too.

A wildcard is trading down for more picks.
I dunno.  
Dodge : 1/4/2019 8:36 am : link
Ask me after Free Agency.
I would really like for them  
section125 : 1/4/2019 8:41 am : link
to bundle the 4ths and a 5th to get to the 3rd round. Find a team with multiple 3rd rounders and attempt to move up. You can get a starting OL/DL/LB in the 3rd.

IMHO, the 4ths and above find you special teamers and backups and the occasional starter.
Nope  
micky : 1/4/2019 8:43 am : link
Wouldn't mind..just better be good ones that last here
Iím with B in this one  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/4/2019 9:22 am : link
And Gettlemen has signaled he believes in BPA!!!!

Most of you simply arenít listening. Reach or force a pick based on position and you will have draft failure!!!!
RE: Iím with B in this one  
TMS : 1/4/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14246985 gidiefor said:
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And Gettlemen has signaled he believes in BPA!!!!

Most of you simply arenít listening. Reach or force a pick based on position and you will have draft failure!!!!
Thats how I read it also. Emphasis on BPA with eye on improving the defense next year. FA may help us on offense but looks like BPA and need indicate defense in the early rounds of the draft.
Have we not learned our lesson  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/5/2019 8:34 pm : link
about forcing picks by position?

The collective knowledge of BBI never seems to gain any ground whatsoever.

random BBI poster: "We need to pick OL!"

Giants force an OL pick that turns out terrible.

BBI: "The Giants ignore the OL position, they should draft all OL!!"
I think we need to come away with 2 OL  
.McL. : 1/5/2019 10:20 pm : link
from this draft.

But I wouldn't force it. We also need tons of defensive help. And we are just getting out from under the cap mismanagement that was left behind by Reese. I would hate to see them go deep into that pool again and create a new mess. Get some mid tier vets for the line. Maybe some vets on the tail end of their career like we did in 2000 with Brown and Parker. If the draft drops such that we the best player is a OL, then so be it. But as long as we pick up some guys for the OL somewhere and they are worthy of a roster spot and have some more portential, that is helpful.
and hasn't BBI learned its lesson  
BigBlueCane : 1/5/2019 11:53 pm : link
That the grading system for evaluating OL needs to be updated in light of the spread offense changing the college landscape?
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