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Would you be upset with two OL in the first two rounds?

Beezer : 1/2/2019 1:59 pm
I would not.

I'm reading a lot of posts saying the Giants should draft one and sign one offensive lineman. But let's say Jonah Williams is available at 6 (the mock draft from earlier has him going with the 5th pick to the Bucs). If the Jags want Haskins, maybe the trade above the Giants (fine by me), allowing the Giants to grab Williams, and we immediately plug him into the RT slot.

I've watched some videos of Wisconsin center Tyler Biadasz. I've read a different 4-round mock that sees Biadasz, the top-ranked center, going 74th overall (9th in the third round). It could be a risk/reach at that point, so if it makes sense at that point, trade back in the second, or high in the third, and try to grab another later-round pick for defense. With Saquon Barkley in our backfield, I'd argue that cementing this offensive line for the next 3-4 years (with a few serviceable backups) might be a very smart way to go.

Here would be our starting O-line next fall, with ages in September.

LT - Nate Solder - 31
LG - Will Hernandez - 24
C - Tyler Biadasz - (can't find his age online, but 20?)
RG - Jamon Brown - 26
RT - Jonah Williams - 21

Reserves

Chad Wheeler (OT) - 25
Brian Mihalik (OT) - 27
John Greco (OG) - 34
Jon Halapio (C) - 28
Spencer Pulley (C) - 26

Essentially, defense would be filled through FA and the lower-end of the draft. I think we're set at TE, with the flexibility to move Engram inside and out, as an additional WR when desired. I think he showed something this season - 33 catches, 475 yards his last 7 games. I think we'd all be pretty happy with 50-60 catches in the 750-800 ballpark from him next year.

I'm hoping the Giants could look at guys like CJ Mosley and KJ Wright as linebacker, as well as a couple of the higher-echelon DBs at both S and CB.

Top o' the draft: Fix the O-line. Go from there.

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We need defense and OL  
Frank from CA : 1/2/2019 4:37 pm : link
The Front Office has to nail all their picks and have actual prospects that can play in the NFL. There has to be competent scouting at the college and pro level. OL can be rebuilt through value FA acquisitions in addition to draftees. Several responses have expressed these realities. I feel the pain of watching a defense wilt in the fourth quarter each week. I moan an d bitch about how the Giants have failed at acquiring players to become part of a quality OL. In short I seriously doubt that this team will be lucky enough to have two great prospects be the BPA in rounds one and two. The DL is usually at a premium which will dictate that one of the top picks be spent on an edge rusher or NT.
Not this year.  
Matt M. : 1/2/2019 5:03 pm : link
Cirst of all, this draft is heavy on DL and/or pass rushers, which are as big needs. Second, I don't think there is an OL I'd take at #6.
no because  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 5:07 pm : link
I doubt it will happen
RE: Folks may be underestimating  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14244668 idiotsavant said:
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Wheeler.

He's basically a rookie

No pundits questioned his ceiling, he dropped on health and seems to have conquered that.

I'm leaning towards a legit pro bowl type or close center via free agency and the all defense draft.

Opportunities meet needs.


Wheeler blows.
Williams is the only one worth considering at 6  
Ssanders9816 : 1/2/2019 5:17 pm : link
No other OL should even be a thought after him until the 2nd.

But I’d rather a DE/LB first then a guy like Taylor or Risner in the second.
Taylor’s not lasting till the second  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:26 pm : link
May even go before Williams because he’s considered more of a true tackle.
I think that Haskins, Gary, Bosa, Quentin Williams  
barens : 1/2/2019 5:47 pm : link
and Josh Allen would have to be off the board, after that, I think Williams would be a nice pick.
Not one bit  
mattlawson : 1/2/2019 5:50 pm : link
.
D needs be addressed  
OC2.0 : 1/2/2019 7:53 pm : link
1 or both ways.
it seems like no one remembers when Giants drafted Banks in first,  
plato : 1/2/2019 7:56 pm : link
despite having LT. Either Young or Parcells talked about needing strength at both OLB positions and taking best player available. This hardly quieted down the media and the fans.

Seems like history has. So keep that in mind when talking about future or 2019 draft picks.
Hell yes I would be pissed  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/2/2019 9:48 pm : link
We have needs all over the place. OL sure but that's not the only area we need to find talent ASAP.
Fix the fucking defense  
djm : 1/2/2019 9:52 pm : link
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RE: it seems like no one remembers when Giants drafted Banks in first,  
ajr2456 : 1/2/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14245057 plato said:
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despite having LT. Either Young or Parcells talked about needing strength at both OLB positions and taking best player available. This hardly quieted down the media and the fans.

Seems like history has. So keep that in mind when talking about future or 2019 draft picks.


There’s a difference between taking the same position in different years and spending two premium picks in one draft in one area.
Yes I would  
5BowlsSoon : 1/2/2019 9:56 pm : link
One is fine.....pick up another later. We desperately need defense after blowing all those games.
If they were the two  
section125 : 1/2/2019 9:58 pm : link
best players at the time they choose, then no.

But, after reading the Gettleman presser, he seems real high on Halapio and I wondered about him. Might be the center position is filled?

But the other thing DG said was it is wrong to say you need x and then just take an x. Seems BPA is the way to go.
No I would not mind at all -  
short lease : 1/4/2019 8:04 am : link
if the talent was there. Don't want to take a OL (who is projected to the 4th round) .... in the 2nd round just because he is OL.


BPA - We have plenty of holes to fill.
Wheeler did not just drop on health  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/4/2019 8:15 am : link
And I'm not sure why anyone would be okay with how he played in year 2. He was not essentially a rookie. He saw live action last season and competed for a starting job this summer. And didn't clearly outplay Ereck Flowers for the starting RT job.

Okay to have as depth, wouldn't be terrible as a backup, but you need better and more reliable as a starter.
All this hand wringing is not necessary  
B in ALB : 1/4/2019 8:16 am : link
At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.
RE: All this hand wringing is not necessary  
Big Blue '56 : 1/4/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14246878 B in ALB said:
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At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.


As of this moment, pre-combine, who would be your choice at 6?
...  
christian : 1/4/2019 8:18 am : link
Gettleman is in the enviable position that only RB would be a bad investment of the 6th pick.

Literally every other position is a need on this team.
RE: RE: All this hand wringing is not necessary  
B in ALB : 1/4/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14246880 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14246878 B in ALB said:


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At #6 draft BPA. And unless your scouts are insanely incompetent, you have a guy who contributes on Day 1.



As of this moment, pre-combine, who would be your choice at 6?


I would love one of the Williams - but Jonah is more likely. Ferrell too.

A wildcard is trading down for more picks.
I dunno.  
Dodge : 1/4/2019 8:36 am : link
Ask me after Free Agency.
I would really like for them  
section125 : 1/4/2019 8:41 am : link
to bundle the 4ths and a 5th to get to the 3rd round. Find a team with multiple 3rd rounders and attempt to move up. You can get a starting OL/DL/LB in the 3rd.

IMHO, the 4ths and above find you special teamers and backups and the occasional starter.
Nope  
micky : 1/4/2019 8:43 am : link
Wouldn't mind..just better be good ones that last here
I’m with B in this one  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/4/2019 9:22 am : link
And Gettlemen has signaled he believes in BPA!!!!

Most of you simply aren’t listening. Reach or force a pick based on position and you will have draft failure!!!!
RE: I’m with B in this one  
TMS : 1/4/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14246985 gidiefor said:
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And Gettlemen has signaled he believes in BPA!!!!

Most of you simply aren’t listening. Reach or force a pick based on position and you will have draft failure!!!!
Thats how I read it also. Emphasis on BPA with eye on improving the defense next year. FA may help us on offense but looks like BPA and need indicate defense in the early rounds of the draft.
Have we not learned our lesson  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/5/2019 8:34 pm : link
about forcing picks by position?

The collective knowledge of BBI never seems to gain any ground whatsoever.

random BBI poster: "We need to pick OL!"

Giants force an OL pick that turns out terrible.

BBI: "The Giants ignore the OL position, they should draft all OL!!"
I think we need to come away with 2 OL  
.McL. : 1/5/2019 10:20 pm : link
from this draft.

But I wouldn't force it. We also need tons of defensive help. And we are just getting out from under the cap mismanagement that was left behind by Reese. I would hate to see them go deep into that pool again and create a new mess. Get some mid tier vets for the line. Maybe some vets on the tail end of their career like we did in 2000 with Brown and Parker. If the draft drops such that we the best player is a OL, then so be it. But as long as we pick up some guys for the OL somewhere and they are worthy of a roster spot and have some more portential, that is helpful.
and hasn't BBI learned its lesson  
BigBlueCane : 1/5/2019 11:53 pm : link
That the grading system for evaluating OL needs to be updated in light of the spread offense changing the college landscape?
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