Q: How important is it for you to address the quarterback of the future of this team this offseason? Is that a priority?
A: Let me tell you something: if you make something a priority, you will make a mistake. It’s got to be within the flow of what you’re doing. You can’t force it, especially at quarterback. That’s why the guys in Carolina looked at me like I was out of my mind, you guys looked at me (like I was out of my mind). You get in the draft, you’re taking the best player — you’re not taking, ‘ I need a ___, so I’m taking a ___’. No. You do that, you’re going to make a mistake, you’re going to screw it up.
Reese always sat back and took what the draft gave him. You can’t force things, but being passive and a victim of your circumstances isn’t good either. Especially when it comes to QB. If your guy is there, you go get him. If not, don’t force the wrong guy just to say you have one.
and absorb the parts about not reaching in the draft. Draft the best players and build the puzzle.
Agreed. If they think Haskins is a franchise QB then by all means make the selection but I think that their board will feature several other available options over him. I think they will select a pass rusher at 6 with Josh Allen being the likely target.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
and absorb the parts about not reaching in the draft. Draft the best players and build the puzzle.
Agreed. If they think Haskins is a franchise QB then by all means make the selection but I think that their board will feature several other available options over him. I think they will select a pass rusher at 6 with Josh Allen being the likely target.
yes and no
If they believe Haskins is the best player available at 6, then he will be the guy. If not it will be someone else. I really think it is probably as simple as that for Gettleman.
of press conference and reecnt Eli/DG conversation. All parties involved been thinking about this since, at least, when DG interviewed for the job.
I'd bet he's back for 2019, after that who knows. Think that's the smart move, vased on what's in front of usright now.
One of hardest things in this league to get is franchise QB. Eli still has one best football IQs, work ethic, and still has enough physical skills to get job done. Rest of players just starting to roll out this new offense. Whne they hand it off they will do so only if theyb think person can handle the job. From waht I can see, no FAs or draft picks will fit the bill.
Totally disagree with those who wanted to get rid of him afew years ago. Problem wasn't Eli - it was lack of a suporting cast. And when they tried to they made poor personnel decisions (Flowers, Pugh, Richburg).
Time will tell what they do but whatever it is certainly won't be based on one conversation.
and absorb the parts about not reaching in the draft. Draft the best players and build the puzzle.
Exactly. I am not expecting a QB. It sounds like many on BBI are. Not unless Gettleman is 100% sure he values that pick where we pick him. Unless something drastically changes we will not be picking a QB. Personally I want BPA.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
A: In December? We scored 36, we scored 35, 27, scored 40. How does that look? He still can make the NFL throws. You know what I’m saying? He’s still got it.
A: In December? We scored 36, we scored 35, 27, scored 40. How does that look? He still can make the NFL throws. You know what I’m saying? He’s still got it.
The Titans game was bad for everyone, not just Eli. Many dropped passes in that game and we couldn’t tackle Henry. The weather sucked balls and they were out to stop Barkley. Eli had a couple bad throws.
have not come close to assembling their draft board. So I’d hesitate in assertaining at this point that there’s no QB deemed high value and a fit they see for them.
I tend to feel there will be a ton of defensive players graded very highly on their board. I’d be surprised if it’s not a defensive player at 6. Maybe an OT really jumps up but that would be the only outlier I see.
when you’re bringing in and installing a new offense, you’re looking at four to six weeks before everybody’s really on the same page, and it’s really the outlier, it’s six.
Why don't the new linemen play through most of the preseason. They can get three or four of those games they need to play as a unit in games that don't count.
Protecting an offensive lineman from injury doesn't seem as important as getting a line that can win for you as soon as possible when the games count.
He starts off in voluntary fashion that he and Eli had a no holds barred talk.
OK.
Then he says I'm not going to tell you what we talked about.
OK.
But then he says that he'll do anything for the long-term best interests of this organization.
Huh... why start off that way?
Why not wait and see if any reporter asks about Eli or Eli and the meeting. Or, whatever about Eli.
But nooooooooooooooooo.
He wants to intimate that they had a very serious talk. But Gettleman won't tell you what they said. But then there's the implied threat to Eli's future.
I'll say it again. Huh?
At times, Dave Gettleman can be one insufferable dude.
"We feel like we’ve turned that corner, especially with this rookie class. (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is unique. I stood up here and you watched me drool all over myself in the pre-draft. It was ugly, wasn’t it? Things happen. I should’ve worn a bib from Joe’s Stone Crab."
"We feel like we’ve turned that corner, especially with this rookie class. (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is unique. I stood up here and you watched me drool all over myself in the pre-draft. It was ugly, wasn’t it? Things happen. I should’ve worn a bib from Joe’s Stone Crab."
Miami Seafood restaurant. If you like stone crabs, that's the place. tain't cheap, but very good. As you know lobsters and crabs are messy to eat...
He wants to intimate that they had a very serious talk. But Gettleman won't tell you what they said. But then there's the implied threat to Eli's future.
I'll say it again. Huh?
At times, Dave Gettleman can be one insufferable dude.
Not insufferable at all. Seems pretty straight forward to me. I am comfortable with his style.
As far as Eli, he probably figures it will get out that Eli came in for a meeting. Probably his views on the team and needs. Eli is THE captain, so his opinion is important. The part about taking Gettleman to the low post and beating him is different. Sounds like Eli let him know his feelings on next year and the offense. I doubt Eli talked about teammates.
finds a way to find misery in fucking everything about this team.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
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Great!
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
Gettleman doing his best to be coy and clever - in his mind.
There was nothing interesting about his draft approach. It’s the traditional BPA model. Which is really antiquated because it doesn’t factor in the cost of those first contacts of players who bring unique skills to the table - like QB skills, pass rushing skills, cover skills, and pass blocking skills.
It’s amazing how the Lauletta driving situation sticks in the craw of Jints Central.
finds a way to find misery in fucking everything about this team.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
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Great!
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
I don't know whose post this is... but it ain't mine:
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
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As for your comment about my post, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. But if you do, at least be honest and avoid characterizing all my comments about the Giants based on your pre-conception of what I have to say.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
With respect, I'm not sure how different this is than most GMs. The giants have always been collaborative with their approach to personnel despite what the complaint department on here would like people to think.
Unless he finds one in Free Agency. SO any team that has for example traded up - they did so based on "need."
He's going t have to get awfully lucks with that attitude because often in 1st 10-12 picks the QB gets selected ahead of value.
I;m fearful that DG is a stubborn/mule-headed and doesn't give a shit about analytics or most important position on the field. Hope I'm wrong.
I do like his ideas of the trenches -- but but but but
sometimes you MUST stretch to get that "elite" QB and he just might be too stubborn to do it unless it is extremely obvious (ie he gets the number1 pick.).
finds a way to find misery in fucking everything about this team.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
Quote:
Great!
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
I don't know whose post this is... but it ain't mine:
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
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As for your comment about my post, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. But if you do, at least be honest and avoid characterizing all my comments about the Giants based on your pre-conception of what I have to say.
He pulled teh same shit on me. I know it's been on more than one occassion but I can' recall other than teh last one.
I suggested that GMen need to try to get a QB as soon as possible because i dont want to waste Barkley's prime and I spoke of getting a QB because the clock is ticking on Barkley. SO I suggested getting a qb ready by 2020 etc and he and other gave a sarcastic reply by implying that I think Barkley only has a THREE YEAR WINDOW.
He made it clear on his 1st reply that he didn't appreciate all the complaints about Eli o I guess he's going to do anything if someone were to complain about ELi to misrepresent what was said.
It's okay to disagree but he and dep - it seems if they dont like what you're saying they'll misrepresent what you say.
The 3 year window regarding Barkley was a joke. I never said you gave him a 3-year window - it is the concept that the clock is ticking and we are wasting his prime years - a point that's been brought up ad nauseum since we drafted him, like we are letting the sands of time slip away and barkley will be a shell of himself when we get a QB.
As for MS - the fucking guy can't even tell that I was addressing two SEPARATE points above. One - that almost his entire body of work is negative and is usually a checklist of observations on what we are doing wrong - or some summation of how we need to change management.
The other point was a post by a completely different poster that I lumped together in the post calling out MS.
Next time, I guess I'll just create multiple posts for those with reading comprehension issues.
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Take a look at the QB depth anticipated for 2020. There will be a number of quality QBs in the 2020 draft and the Giants should be able to position their self for one of them. If (as you predict) they finish 8-8, the cost shouldn't be too high to move up (unless they fall in love with one guy (e.g., Tua)).
oh and BW is still a jerk with his "Jints central", like he knows better.
Anyone who thinks the draft reality is STRICTLY BPA I've got a bridge to sell you. Just look at the last draft. RB,OL, DL, OLB, backup QB, DL. ALL needed positions. So don't for a second think if they have a QB valued at 6 they won't take him to get another player with a slightly less grade. Gettleman is not stupid. He knows he needs a new QB at some point. He's just not going to force the issue.
oh and BW is still a jerk with his "Jints central", like he knows better.
Anyone who thinks the draft reality is STRICTLY BPA I've got a bridge to sell you. Just look at the last draft. RB,OL, DL, OLB, backup QB, DL. ALL needed positions. So don't for a second think if they have a QB valued at 6 they won't take him to get another player with a slightly less grade. Gettleman is not stupid. He knows he needs a new QB at some point. He's just not going to force the issue.
Ahhh, wasn't Barkley thought to be the best player in the 2018 draft? (8(0)
"We feel like we’ve turned that corner, especially with this rookie class. (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is unique. I stood up here and you watched me drool all over myself in the pre-draft. It was ugly, wasn’t it? Things happen. I should’ve worn a bib from Joe’s Stone Crab."
Miami Seafood restaurant. If you like stone crabs, that's the place. tain't cheap, but very good. As you know lobsters and crabs are messy to eat...
Giants have this habit of not knowing what their backups are capable of doing......
If I see another QB drafted in the later rounds , and we keep 3 qbs, wasting a roster spot, I'll freak out.....
Unfortunately, we have no true Idea of what DG, and Shurm, truly bring to the table.....that takes years to find out.....
If they fail, we will have the posters that say I told you so.....if they succeed, we will have posters that say I told you so....better hope the latter ones are right.....
If you actually have the opportunity to find out what your backups Â
The Giants scored a lot in garbage time that, in my mind, has allowed for the propagation of two false conclusions:
1. The Giants were in more games (lost by less than seven points) than they were really in.
2. That the Giants scored more points than the other teams in the NFC East should also be taken with a grain of salt - there were a lot of cheap, end of game points.
I think that is important, because they still need to improve the O-line some, not just get better on defense. I would have not objection to a really good safety or a game changing linebacker, but at least another high value OT is needed here as well.
Beyond flawed conclusions - Eli played better as the season went on, but he still has too many bonehead throws. Not as many as the never will quarterbacks in the league, but too many for a 15 year vet. Assuming Eli will be back, if Shurmur is to have at least some success with Eli (get into the playoffs and win some post season games), they have to find a way for him not to force the ball into triple coverage when settling for 3 points is a better choice.
DGs words reinforce why mock drafts by the ‘experts’ are just dumb. Â
Invariably the so called experts fit their version of player ranking vs team needs ... there’s no way anyone can know individual team assessments on players. The professional draft gurus are all con artists.
might be to get out of your mind and look at stats:
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The Giants scored a lot in garbage time that, in my mind, has allowed for the propagation of two false conclusions:
The Giants scored among the least amount of "garbage points" in the league. Those are points that are scored when a team is behind by two scores or more.
A better question to ask is what season were you watching? The giants gave up 4th quarter leads in 7 games - none of which were garbage time games.
The press asked the same Eli question ten different ways Â
still a long way to go until the draft, but I expect it to be mostly about the defense and OL, along with another day three QB. The wild card would be taking a QB in the first after trading down, or in the second. I also expect us to add a FA OL who can start.
The only issue is , is there a better option than Manning for quarterback either in the draft or in free agency. (a substantial upgrade?) If not, they will stay with Eli until there is and work to improve both lines and the defense backfield.
might be to get out of your mind and look at stats:
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Flawed Conclusions
Angus : 10:39 am : link : reply
The Giants scored a lot in garbage time that, in my mind, has allowed for the propagation of two false conclusions:
The Giants scored among the least amount of "garbage points" in the league. Those are points that are scored when a team is behind by two scores or more.
A better question to ask is what season were you watching? The giants gave up 4th quarter leads in 7 games - none of which were garbage time games.
The defense held opponents to 23 points or less in 8 games. League average scoring in the NFL is 25ppg.
5 of those games were losses. That's not good enough either. There's enough blame to go around on both sides of the ball.
Q: How important is it for you to address the quarterback of the future of this team this offseason? Is that a priority?
A: Let me tell you something: if you make something a priority, you will make a mistake. It’s got to be within the flow of what you’re doing. You can’t force it, especially at quarterback. That’s why the guys in Carolina looked at me like I was out of my mind, you guys looked at me (like I was out of my mind). You get in the draft, you’re taking the best player — you’re not taking, ‘ I need a ___, so I’m taking a ___’. No. You do that, you’re going to make a mistake, you’re going to screw it up.
they couldnt believe he was still there in the 4th
doesn't sound like moving on from Eli to me
Agreed. If they think Haskins is a franchise QB then by all means make the selection but I think that their board will feature several other available options over him. I think they will select a pass rusher at 6 with Josh Allen being the likely target.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
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and absorb the parts about not reaching in the draft. Draft the best players and build the puzzle.
Agreed. If they think Haskins is a franchise QB then by all means make the selection but I think that their board will feature several other available options over him. I think they will select a pass rusher at 6 with Josh Allen being the likely target.
yes and no
If they believe Haskins is the best player available at 6, then he will be the guy. If not it will be someone else. I really think it is probably as simple as that for Gettleman.
doesn't sound like moving on from Eli to me
Did you see the end of that comment, he said, “at least that part of it......”
doesn't sound like moving on from Eli to me
"he can still make NFL throws" isn't exactly heaping praise either.
I'd bet he's back for 2019, after that who knows. Think that's the smart move, vased on what's in front of usright now.
One of hardest things in this league to get is franchise QB. Eli still has one best football IQs, work ethic, and still has enough physical skills to get job done. Rest of players just starting to roll out this new offense. Whne they hand it off they will do so only if theyb think person can handle the job. From waht I can see, no FAs or draft picks will fit the bill.
Totally disagree with those who wanted to get rid of him afew years ago. Problem wasn't Eli - it was lack of a suporting cast. And when they tried to they made poor personnel decisions (Flowers, Pugh, Richburg).
Time will tell what they do but whatever it is certainly won't be based on one conversation.
I want my QB! Where’s my QB? Just draft a QB so I can be happy we drafted a QB damn it! Any QB! Just to say we have a QB!
Brilliant.
Exactly. I am not expecting a QB. It sounds like many on BBI are. Not unless Gettleman is 100% sure he values that pick where we pick him. Unless something drastically changes we will not be picking a QB. Personally I want BPA.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
+1000
The Titans game was bad for everyone, not just Eli. Many dropped passes in that game and we couldn’t tackle Henry. The weather sucked balls and they were out to stop Barkley. Eli had a couple bad throws.
I tend to feel there will be a ton of defensive players graded very highly on their board. I’d be surprised if it’s not a defensive player at 6. Maybe an OT really jumps up but that would be the only outlier I see.
Why don't the new linemen play through most of the preseason. They can get three or four of those games they need to play as a unit in games that don't count.
Protecting an offensive lineman from injury doesn't seem as important as getting a line that can win for you as soon as possible when the games count.
...just likes the sound of his own voice.
He starts off in voluntary fashion that he and Eli had a no holds barred talk.
OK.
Then he says I'm not going to tell you what we talked about.
OK.
But then he says that he'll do anything for the long-term best interests of this organization.
Huh... why start off that way?
Why not wait and see if any reporter asks about Eli or Eli and the meeting. Or, whatever about Eli.
But nooooooooooooooooo.
He wants to intimate that they had a very serious talk. But Gettleman won't tell you what they said. But then there's the implied threat to Eli's future.
I'll say it again. Huh?
At times, Dave Gettleman can be one insufferable dude.
Miami Seafood restaurant. If you like stone crabs, that's the place. tain't cheap, but very good. As you know lobsters and crabs are messy to eat...
...just likes the sound of his own voice.
He wants to intimate that they had a very serious talk. But Gettleman won't tell you what they said. But then there's the implied threat to Eli's future.
I'll say it again. Huh?
At times, Dave Gettleman can be one insufferable dude.
Not insufferable at all. Seems pretty straight forward to me. I am comfortable with his style.
As far as Eli, he probably figures it will get out that Eli came in for a meeting. Probably his views on the team and needs. Eli is THE captain, so his opinion is important. The part about taking Gettleman to the low post and beating him is different. Sounds like Eli let him know his feelings on next year and the offense. I doubt Eli talked about teammates.
Anyway, I liked the presser...
Steve, Pat, Jordaaan, Gary. All the assholes asking the complete asshole questions, and DG telling them all -- very politely: GFY.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
There was nothing interesting about his draft approach. It’s the traditional BPA model. Which is really antiquated because it doesn’t factor in the cost of those first contacts of players who bring unique skills to the table - like QB skills, pass rushing skills, cover skills, and pass blocking skills.
It’s amazing how the Lauletta driving situation sticks in the craw of Jints Central.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
Quote:
Great!
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
I don't know whose post this is... but it ain't mine:
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
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As for your comment about my post, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. But if you do, at least be honest and avoid characterizing all my comments about the Giants based on your pre-conception of what I have to say.
Give coaching staff the players he needs and build NYG for sustained success
Collaborative approach with his evaluations, coaching staff evaluations and pro personnel evaluations
Let the emotion of the season pass and then formulate the plan going forward. Be willing to make whatever hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of franchise. Don't be afraid of making mistakes and admit when things didn't work out and make changes. Keep continually improving.
He isn't going to reach for a QB. Just keep taking the best player available.
With respect, I'm not sure how different this is than most GMs. The giants have always been collaborative with their approach to personnel despite what the complaint department on here would like people to think.
He's going t have to get awfully lucks with that attitude because often in 1st 10-12 picks the QB gets selected ahead of value.
I;m fearful that DG is a stubborn/mule-headed and doesn't give a shit about analytics or most important position on the field. Hope I'm wrong.
I do like his ideas of the trenches -- but but but but
sometimes you MUST stretch to get that "elite" QB and he just might be too stubborn to do it unless it is extremely obvious (ie he gets the number1 pick.).
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finds a way to find misery in fucking everything about this team.
I've seen your posts for the last several years and Gettleman has nothing on you in the insufferable department. How one can be so fucking negative is a mystery.
I particularly liked this post though:
Quote:
Great!
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
Ummm. If we pick a QB, is that magically the "franchise QB"?? What fucking point are you trying to make? That we are missing out on a plethora of franchise QB's?? Because that is just moronic.
I don't know whose post this is... but it ain't mine:
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 5:11 pm : link : reply
Here comes 8-8, and no new franchise QB ever in sight.
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As for your comment about my post, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. But if you do, at least be honest and avoid characterizing all my comments about the Giants based on your pre-conception of what I have to say.
He pulled teh same shit on me. I know it's been on more than one occassion but I can' recall other than teh last one.
I suggested that GMen need to try to get a QB as soon as possible because i dont want to waste Barkley's prime and I spoke of getting a QB because the clock is ticking on Barkley. SO I suggested getting a qb ready by 2020 etc and he and other gave a sarcastic reply by implying that I think Barkley only has a THREE YEAR WINDOW.
He made it clear on his 1st reply that he didn't appreciate all the complaints about Eli o I guess he's going to do anything if someone were to complain about ELi to misrepresent what was said.
It's okay to disagree but he and dep - it seems if they dont like what you're saying they'll misrepresent what you say.
The 3 year window regarding Barkley was a joke. I never said you gave him a 3-year window - it is the concept that the clock is ticking and we are wasting his prime years - a point that's been brought up ad nauseum since we drafted him, like we are letting the sands of time slip away and barkley will be a shell of himself when we get a QB.
As for MS - the fucking guy can't even tell that I was addressing two SEPARATE points above. One - that almost his entire body of work is negative and is usually a checklist of observations on what we are doing wrong - or some summation of how we need to change management.
The other point was a post by a completely different poster that I lumped together in the post calling out MS.
Next time, I guess I'll just create multiple posts for those with reading comprehension issues.
Anyone who thinks the draft reality is STRICTLY BPA I've got a bridge to sell you. Just look at the last draft. RB,OL, DL, OLB, backup QB, DL. ALL needed positions. So don't for a second think if they have a QB valued at 6 they won't take him to get another player with a slightly less grade. Gettleman is not stupid. He knows he needs a new QB at some point. He's just not going to force the issue.
Anyone who thinks the draft reality is STRICTLY BPA I've got a bridge to sell you. Just look at the last draft. RB,OL, DL, OLB, backup QB, DL. ALL needed positions. So don't for a second think if they have a QB valued at 6 they won't take him to get another player with a slightly less grade. Gettleman is not stupid. He knows he needs a new QB at some point. He's just not going to force the issue.
I hope he works on this in the offseason, but it's been chronic. Do the Giants still use a psychologist? Maybe it's a Chuck Knoblach kinda thing.
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"We feel like we’ve turned that corner, especially with this rookie class. (RB) Saquon (Barkley) is unique. I stood up here and you watched me drool all over myself in the pre-draft. It was ugly, wasn’t it? Things happen. I should’ve worn a bib from Joe’s Stone Crab."
Miami Seafood restaurant. If you like stone crabs, that's the place. tain't cheap, but very good. As you know lobsters and crabs are messy to eat...
Ever since his conversion .... ;)
If I see another QB drafted in the later rounds , and we keep 3 qbs, wasting a roster spot, I'll freak out.....
Unfortunately, we have no true Idea of what DG, and Shurm, truly bring to the table.....that takes years to find out.....
If they fail, we will have the posters that say I told you so.....if they succeed, we will have posters that say I told you so....better hope the latter ones are right.....
It's not something anyone should really look forward to.
and I don't think preseason snaps count as 'finding out what he's capable of'.
1. The Giants were in more games (lost by less than seven points) than they were really in.
2. That the Giants scored more points than the other teams in the NFC East should also be taken with a grain of salt - there were a lot of cheap, end of game points.
I think that is important, because they still need to improve the O-line some, not just get better on defense. I would have not objection to a really good safety or a game changing linebacker, but at least another high value OT is needed here as well.
Beyond flawed conclusions - Eli played better as the season went on, but he still has too many bonehead throws. Not as many as the never will quarterbacks in the league, but too many for a 15 year vet. Assuming Eli will be back, if Shurmur is to have at least some success with Eli (get into the playoffs and win some post season games), they have to find a way for him not to force the ball into triple coverage when settling for 3 points is a better choice.
Angus : 10:39 am : link : reply
The Giants scored a lot in garbage time that, in my mind, has allowed for the propagation of two false conclusions:
The Giants scored among the least amount of "garbage points" in the league. Those are points that are scored when a team is behind by two scores or more.
A better question to ask is what season were you watching? The giants gave up 4th quarter leads in 7 games - none of which were garbage time games.
His most interesting answer was about last year's locker room.
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Flawed Conclusions
Angus : 10:39 am : link : reply
The Giants scored a lot in garbage time that, in my mind, has allowed for the propagation of two false conclusions:
The Giants scored among the least amount of "garbage points" in the league. Those are points that are scored when a team is behind by two scores or more.
A better question to ask is what season were you watching? The giants gave up 4th quarter leads in 7 games - none of which were garbage time games.
The defense held opponents to 23 points or less in 8 games. League average scoring in the NFL is 25ppg.
5 of those games were losses. That's not good enough either. There's enough blame to go around on both sides of the ball.