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Looking at salary figures, NYG not getting good return at LB

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 4:40 pm
The LB salary numbers stick out like a sore thumb.

FYI, anything marked N/A simply means the salary figures not released by NFLPA yet.

You can also see who will be free agents...


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The contracts given to them  
JonC : 1/2/2019 4:41 pm : link
are classic examples of why overspending is a significant gamble I'd prefer to avoid.
RE: The contracts given to them  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14244806 JonC said:
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are classic examples of why overspending is a significant gamble I'd prefer to avoid.


And we will have $9.3 million in DEAD MONEY against the 2019 cap (so far). I don't recall that ever being so high.
OV will do that alone.  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 4:48 pm : link
Ogeltree at $4M is not bad. Next year at $10M? Hard to imagine that DG traded for him and didn't want him for long term. I would suspect he'll be approached for a restructure.
RE: OV will do that alone.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14244812 Diver_Down said:
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Ogeltree at $4M is not bad. Next year at $10M? Hard to imagine that DG traded for him and didn't want him for long term. I would suspect he'll be approached for a restructure.


OV's contract is ridiculous.

So is Kareem Martin's.

Ogletree with go to $10M not only next year but in 2021.


At TE, Rhett Ellison's figures are ridiculous too.
RE: OV will do that alone.  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14244812 Diver_Down said:
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Ogeltree at $4M is not bad. Next year at $10M? Hard to imagine that DG traded for him and didn't want him for long term. I would suspect he'll be approached for a restructure.


Sorry, just noted the column years. $4M for 2019 is fine. $10M in 2020 needs to be restructured.
correction  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 4:51 pm : link
$9M for Ogletree in 2021.
RE: OV will do that alone.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/2/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14244812 Diver_Down said:
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Ogeltree at $4M is not bad. Next year at $10M? Hard to imagine that DG traded for him and didn't want him for long term. I would suspect he'll be approached for a restructure.


He was just restructured. He is not being restructured again.

The constant restructuring are why we are in this mess to begin with.

Cut bait with talent if it comes down to restructuring.
I think what you meant to say  
RobCarpenter : 1/2/2019 4:52 pm : link
Is that the Vernon is incredibly overpaid.



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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 4:53 pm : link
Here are the actually salary cap hits...

Note who is 10th for the ENTIRE TEAM!
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2019/ - ( New Window )
Still don't get why people on here were so enthusiastic  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/2/2019 4:57 pm : link
about switching to a 3-4, especially since the LB corp had been a weakness for years now.
I feel like I've posted this each of the last two offseasons  
Go Terps : 1/2/2019 5:00 pm : link
Vernon's contract was abysmal for the Giants the moment it was signed.

Check out Spotrac's valuation tool...it helps paint the picture. With the Giants, the picture is ugly.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
Default : 1/2/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14244820 Eric from BBI said:
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Here are the actually salary cap hits...

Note who is 10th for the ENTIRE TEAM! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2019/ - ( New Window )


That's alot of money to simply be a positive influence.
Kareem  
TommyWiseau : 1/2/2019 5:02 pm : link
Martin blows
Martin played better  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 5:06 pm : link
as year went on. Think him knowing Bettcher's scheme had an impact on the signing. Contract is another matter
Draftee time  
idiotsavant : 1/2/2019 5:06 pm : link
.
obviously when you look at Martin  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 5:10 pm : link
and compare with a team like Pittsburgh's OLBs - you want to upgrade
Gettleman  
Marty866b : 1/2/2019 5:13 pm : link
Look at the players and the contracts he gave out after last season. Bad enough to be terminated IMO.
RE: RE: The contracts given to them  
DavidinBMNY : 1/2/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14244810 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14244806 JonC said:


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are classic examples of why overspending is a significant gamble I'd prefer to avoid.



And we will have $9.3 million in DEAD MONEY against the 2019 cap (so far). I don't recall that ever being so high.
Eric - there is an excellent Over the Cap Podcast to check out on this if you haven't already - linked below.
Over the Cap sobering look at Giants - ( New Window )
Itís really Olivier Vernon  
twostepgiants : 1/2/2019 5:20 pm : link
He must go.

Ogletree is fine for 2019 but then he needs to go.

Itís also Janoris Jenkins and Rhett Ellison.
Which figure on the list is worse?  
WideRight : 1/2/2019 5:23 pm : link

Stweart's or Solder's?

I go Solder's because he's eight times higher AND prevents the Giants from finding a good left tackle. Stewart's contract was awful, but it doesn't stop us from having a great RB....
Ogletree did enough  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:40 pm : link
But they need another ILB. Martin should go.
Martin was the worst deal in FA imo  
adamg : 1/2/2019 5:42 pm : link
especially since we could have just re-upped Kennard rather than bring in an inferior talent at similar money.
Vernon, Ellison, Stewart  
WillVAB : 1/2/2019 5:55 pm : link
Easy cuts.
Ogletree would appear to be a restructure target  
regulator : 1/2/2019 6:11 pm : link
He's due a $6m roster bonus on the first day of the league year.
RE: Still don't get why people on here were so enthusiastic  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/2/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14244822 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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about switching to a 3-4, especially since the LB corp had been a weakness for years now.


Issue is AGAIN that these guys who are wedded to a scheme try and change too fast. They had Snacks and could have dont the best w what they had. But then DG goes out and over lays Ogletree and Martin. Add to that the usual Reese fuck up w Vernon. They should have run more 4-3. Thennof course they gave away Harrison for a measly 5th.

Gettlemn had what seemed to be a very good draft. But he needs to just as well this year. Team is threadbare on D and they will need very big contributions from Carter and Beal to make up for his total waste of FA dollars. Both those guys will need to be starters IMO
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christian : 1/2/2019 6:18 pm : link
Vernon and Martin are producing at replacement level. Neither would be missed.

Ogletree is very athletic facing the play, but much like Collins, when has to turn and run it's a problem.

I get a chuckle when folks say just fix the pass rush and the defense is fixed; aside from being totally untrue, fixing the pass rush is hard and expensive.
RE: ...  
santacruzom : 1/2/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14244820 Eric from BBI said:
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Here are the actually salary cap hits...

Note who is 10th for the ENTIRE TEAM! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap/2019/ - ( New Window )


Yes, but the sort of unquantifiable, oblique effect a guy like Stewart has on team chemistry can't have a price put upon it.
Vernon is a very good player  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 6:52 pm : link
but not producing at the numbers he's being paid. That being said - think his production will improve when they have other pass rushers.
RE: Vernon, Ellison, Stewart  
DavidinBMNY : 1/2/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14244903 WillVAB said:
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Easy cuts.
And Barwin. All gone. For sure.

Eli and Jenkins are the interesting ones.
RE: RE: Vernon, Ellison, Stewart  
WillVAB : 1/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14245006 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 14244903 WillVAB said:


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Easy cuts.

And Barwin. All gone. For sure.

Eli and Jenkins are the interesting ones.


Jenkins salary really isnít out of line when you look at the other top CB salaries around the league.
Lord  
Sammo85 : 1/2/2019 11:00 pm : link
What a terrible roster. Even worse allocation of cap dollars and management.
Ogletree  
Doomster : 1/2/2019 11:33 pm : link
does get 10M next year.....
RE: Still don't get why people on here were so enthusiastic  
Ivan15 : 1/3/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14244822 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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about switching to a 3-4, especially since the LB corp had been a weakness for years now.


Because it is easier to find and fit in 3-4 LBs than it is to find 4-3 pass rushing DEs and DTs. I think the Giants did pretty well in one offseason.
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