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Anyone else hear Eli on WFAN?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/2/2019 5:25 pm
Says he still wants to play, but sounds like he's thinking things through. Also, first time I've ever heard him suggest options were open with respect to playing for other teams.
I did hear it Eric...was the first time I ever  
JCin332 : 1/2/2019 5:33 pm : link
heard him not immediately slam the door when asked if he could ever see himself wearing another uniform...

He sounded down and definitely fed up with the losing...

Though he was pretty adamant in stating he still thinks he can play at a high level...
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CalZone : 1/2/2019 5:34 pm : link
Heard it.
I think he retires or plays somewhere else.
During this "decision making time", you can be sure that Condon is fishing the interest for him, even for 1 year for a team that needs a veteran presence at the position.
Just finished listening  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 5:36 pm : link
the segment should be up shortly for others to listen to. He discussed a lot of matters regarding the team, not just his status. I thought it was curious the segment on Character guys. I couldn't help to think that some of the reference was throwing shade on few in the locker room.

With regards to playing for another team, he basically said that no one plans for it, but realizes that it is a possibility. When pressed if he would ever play in another team's jersey, Eli pivoted stating that his desire was always to play for the Giants. But then also indicated that he would like to continue to play. Wouldn't decide until the decision on his status with the team is made.

I suspect that his desire to continue to play and his desire to play in one jersey will lead him to be amenable to a restructure.

Between DG's presser and interview, Pat's interview, and Eli's interview, it seems that the decision is very much undecided.
He should consider other teams if the Giants cut him  
Matt M. : 1/2/2019 5:39 pm : link
He could have success with a decent team and a decent OL. I don't believe he is done, even if the Giants cut him. That is just a sound business decision by them.
Definitely sounded the most down and out I've heard him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/2/2019 5:40 pm : link
Definitely sounds like something is up. Don't blame him. At some point, the constant losing has to take it's toll. I mean, this is 6 of 7 years now. That's a huge chunk of a career.
I think it is about how much the  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/2/2019 5:42 pm : link
Giants will pay him. They need cap space to create a competitive team. They have some bad contracts and dead space inherited from the old regime. At $12-15 million he is probably part of the solution. Higher and he is part of the problem.

I think he would rather be on a winning team. The losing and being blamed for it, is getting old - both for him and the team.
RE: I think it is about how much the  
CalZone : 1/2/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14244883 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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The losing and being blamed for it, is getting old - both for him and the team.


I think this is more important than money right now.
Sounds like heís thinking about retiring  
jeff57 : 1/2/2019 5:44 pm : link
But I canít see him leaving all that money on the table. They would have to agree on some sort of buyout.
RE: Definitely sounded the most down and out I've heard him.  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14244881 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Definitely sounds like something is up. Don't blame him. At some point, the constant losing has to take it's toll. I mean, this is 6 of 7 years now. That's a huge chunk of a career.


The losing was an emphasis. To piggyback your response with Matt's (above yours), it is hard to think of a team that has a decent OL and winning track record that Eli would play for. If he was released, I don't think he would accept any team just to continue to play. He wants to win and get back to the playoffs.
He clearly said he wants to keep playing  
Ssanders9816 : 1/2/2019 5:46 pm : link
Heís not retiring. Heís playing here or somewhere else
These guys are all negotiating and biding time  
Essex : 1/2/2019 5:47 pm : link
the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.
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CalZone : 1/2/2019 5:48 pm : link
I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I think that he is considering retiring for the first time  
Jay on the Island : 1/2/2019 5:50 pm : link
but he will decide against it. If the Giants do decide to move on then I hope he goes to a team like Jacksonville that gives him a chance to win. I am starting to get a bad feeling that Nick Foles will be the man to replace him. Gettleman doesn't sound like a man that wants to go with a rookie QB as the starter and I don't think that he would get rid of Eli and go with a downgrade like Bridgewater, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, or Bradford. I don't want Foles unless it is to mentor a young QB but he is probably the best realistic option available.
My reading of the tea leaves  
twostepgiants : 1/2/2019 5:50 pm : link
Archie gives interview saying Eli can retire and if he comes back Giants need to win
Eli skips his media on Monday for first time
DG sets narrative that Eli future is murky at his presser
DG reveals Eli wanted to talk to him
Shurmur on air mentions mobile QB
Eli on air starts talking about other teams

My assessment-

Mannings know Giants want Eli back at a reduced cost. This is likely a 1 year extension.

If Eli takes a pay cut, the Giants are in position to move on next year from Manning, especially if they draft his replacement at 6.

Eli probably has rejected that proposal. Why would he take it?

Eli instead asks for a 2 year extension at a lower per year value but enough that makes it difficult for Giants to move on next year and therefore making it hard for them to draft a QB at 6.

The Giants probably rejected that proposal. Why would they take it?

The current situation is the Mannings and Giants are in game of chicken., give him his 2 year extension at his cost, Eli plays last year of his deal at current contract or they have to release him.

Mannings are engaged in media relations game to sway public opinion so fans wonít accept that and Giants give in to his extension.

I donít think Giants like any of the 3options Eli has given them. I think Maras donít want public backlash of an Eli release. I donít think Gettleman wants a 2 year extension and I donít think Giants want to have him play at his current contract.


Makes Sense to Me  
Jeffrey : 1/2/2019 5:50 pm : link
I have been saying for two years that it makes no sense for Eli, with his age and lack of mobility to continue to play for the Giants given the poor state of the roster. No one wants to go out a loser and Eli is both incapable of lifting this team to the playoffs by himself and too old to want to wait for the pieces to all be put in place. Will he leave? I still doubt it, and I cannot think of any team which can protect him, has the players to make the playoffs and needs a QB.
RE: These guys are all negotiating and biding time  
Ssanders9816 : 1/2/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14244892 Essex said:
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the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.


Perfectly put
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Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14244893 CalZone said:
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I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.


I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
Iím not sure Eli would have offers from other teams  
exiled : 1/2/2019 6:07 pm : link
I mean, I think his performance the past few years has more to do with the lack of pass protection than anything else. But, the narrative on him is terrible. And heís 38. Where would he play?
RE: Sounds like heís thinking about retiring  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/2/2019 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14244886 jeff57 said:
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But I canít see him leaving all that money on the table. They would have to agree on some sort of buyout.

No they wouldn't. They can cut him before his roster bonus is due and not owe him another penny. If their goal is to move on, what would be the point of a buyout? To have him contractually obligated to not play for anyone else? How does that make any sense?
My 2 cents' worth:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/2/2019 6:18 pm : link
I think DG is a rip-off-the-band-aid guy. If he thinks Eli is the problem, or getting in the way of a solution, Eli will go. Even if Eli stays, if DG thinks it's time to get a new QB, he'll go get a guy, be it through the draft, trade or free agency.

If it's the draft, I wouldn't expect to see that guy a lot this year, since Shurmur clearly prefers veteran QBs. But by 2020 they would clearly want to put that guy on the field.

So they way I see this is: Eli may be back, but only for one more year. They will go get a QB who is meant to be his successor, and if it's a draftee then that guy will get every chance to start in 2020, maybe competing with Lauletta and a veteran.

I was at the Rose Bowl game yesterday (well, until about the middle of the third quarter, anyway) and in person, I wasn't that impressed with Haskins. He seemed off early and kept missing open receivers. He seemed to get better once he relaxed and he did put some throws in tight windows. As others noted on the game thread, he had so much time to throw it's tough to get a read on him. It was ridiculous how much time he had in the pocket. He could just stand there and survey the field... stand... survey... order pizza... stand... eat the pizza... survey...
Just heard it  
rocco8112 : 1/2/2019 6:18 pm : link
It's over. Been some kinda run. Likely go a lifetime and not have Eli's shoes filled as QB1
Another team is a bluff  
twostepgiants : 1/2/2019 6:19 pm : link
And a give away of whatís really happening here

There is no team that will give Eli the money and committement he wants. How many teams would be in the market for him?

1- there are free agent options in Foles, Flacco and maybe Bridgewater and potential trade options in Carr and Brissett

2- you have Haskins, LOck and Jones looking like 1st round picks

3- you have Jags, Denver, And Washington in QB market. You could potentially have Tampa, Miami, Cincy and Tennessee. Tampa sounds like they are keeping Winston. Denver is going to another high priced vet when they have Keenum. Washington is likely going the draft route, presumably Miami and Cincy would look Draft as well. Jags and maybe Titans are looking a vet. Maybe, but they have options. Jags could go draft, Titans could go another year on Mariota,

Does Eli really want to put himself out there in that market? What kind of deal is he gonna get?

I honestly think there isnít much a market for him, if any at all.
If There is No Renegotiation  
Samiam : 1/2/2019 6:21 pm : link
If they canít or wonít come to an agreement, is a matter of Eli playing for the Giants next year at $23 million or the Giants cut him within a few months with no salary cap hit next year?
I think Mannings know the threat of another team  
twostepgiants : 1/2/2019 6:22 pm : link
Is likely to move the fan reaction. I think they have (correctly) assessed that the fan base would be accepting of his retirement and thatís why they threw out there the idea of another team.

They know the media will run with this. Fans react. They hope Maras cave again,

I really donít see the Mannings subjecting Eli to what I think would be a humiliating free agency experience.
RE: If There is No Renegotiation  
Diver_Down : 1/2/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14244926 Samiam said:
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If they canít or wonít come to an agreement, is a matter of Eli playing for the Giants next year at $23 million or the Giants cut him within a few months with no salary cap hit next year?


If he is released before the roster bonus, it will still be $6.2M in dead money.
Eli isn't taking a pay cut  
Knineteen : 1/2/2019 6:26 pm : link
Giants will pay him the full amount next season and then part ways. They'll grab an extra OL and DL player and try for another SB run.
RE: Eli isn't taking a pay cut  
rocco8112 : 1/2/2019 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14244933 Knineteen said:
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Giants will pay him the full amount next season and then part ways. They'll grab an extra OL and DL player and try for another SB run.


Listen to the GM, HC interview on the radio and Eli interview on the radio today.

Add it up and realize this is it. Giants will have a new QB next year.

I think Eli is tired  
joeinpa : 1/2/2019 6:39 pm : link
Of being a media scapegoat for all that s wrong with this team.

Or sick of seeing leads late in game disappear thanks to a defense that is hapless with games on line.
Eli referred to the GM  
ColHowPepper : 1/2/2019 6:42 pm : link
Mr. Gettleman
RE: Eli referred to the GM  
Eman11 : 1/2/2019 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14244948 ColHowPepper said:
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Mr. Gettleman


What does that have to do with anything? I think it's just a sign of respect, just like Jeter calling Joe Torre - Mr.Torre for his whole career.
People are cofusing actual dollars with cap hit  
HomerJones45 : 1/2/2019 6:46 pm : link
In actual dollars, the Giants have to pay $17,000,000 for 2019. March 17 is the big day; Manning is due a $5,000,000 roster bonus. If they pay the bonus, he is going to be the qb.

The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.

And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.

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clatterbuck : 1/2/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14244901 Diver_Down said:
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I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.



I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.


Given the trajectory of that franchise into a moribund, fetid mess, the way Snyder has destroyed the fan base, the front office dysfunction, the uncertainty around the coaching staff, the lack of offensive weapons, Washington is probably the last place Manning would consider going, even for a boatload of money.
Eli's career record as a starter is down to 116-114  
Go Terps : 1/2/2019 6:53 pm : link
I'm not sure I can recall a drop as precipitous as his in terms of legacy. He said it himself with Francesa: he's basically had two careers.

I hope for his sake he either retires or allows the Giants to trade him elsewhere. If he's the QB in 2019 he's gonna retire with a sub-.500 career record as a QB. Unbelievable.
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bradshaw44 : 1/2/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14244901 Diver_Down said:
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I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.



I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.


This crossed my mind. I will be sick.
Conclusion After Reading Through the Thread,  
clatterbuck : 1/2/2019 6:56 pm : link
after listening to Gettleman's presser, Eli and Shurmer on WFAN, posters who are convinced Eli is going, others convinced Eli is staying or that Eli is retiring: Nobody knows anything.
management has leverage  
bc4life : 1/2/2019 7:05 pm : link
How many teams need starting QBs?

How many have cap space?

How many places does Eli want to be and have a chance to win?

I heard the whole thing  
Allen in CNJ : 1/2/2019 7:13 pm : link
and what I heard was this:

1) Eli wants to continue to play under his own terms
2) He wants to finish his career here, but again it has to be to his liking in terms of $$$ and the future plans at QB
3) He wants to win
4) He likes where the team is going and sees that this team can be successful in the short term with him here

Other points:

He did really seem down and he generally wasn't as upbeat and positive as he has been in the past.

I think his father and family are counseling on this, and they are pulling him one way, while his gut and his competitive spirit are pulling him another way. His wife may also be pushing for retirement with the 4th child on the way, but that's up for anyone's guess.

I really don't know what to think - part of me says that Gettleman wants him to take a cut so that they can bring in payers and pay them competitively. I also can see them "pushing" him out and forcing him to retire. I think Eli was given some kind of an ultimatum and he's mulling it over now - and wants to think things through and decide which action is best for him and his future.
The key is the timing  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/2/2019 7:34 pm : link
this was post meeting with Gettleman. Looks like it really is up in the air at this point whether he comes back or not. Especially if he has terms he needs to see.
Jacksonville  
Les in TO : 1/2/2019 7:35 pm : link
Denver and Washington would be the three teams that I think could show interest. Possibly Miami or Oakland as outside options
RE: RE: .  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/2/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14244901 Diver_Down said:
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I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.


With AP already there all they need to do is bring in Fitz for his retirement tour and rehire...




Coach George Allen
Objectively speaking  
GiantGrit : 1/2/2019 7:40 pm : link
I really do not see another team wanting his services and IF its true he does not want to take a pay cut, i would outright release him. The Giants may have failed him the last few years by providing a shitty coach and shitty offensive line. But, Eli has been compensated more than fairly in his career. In all honesty, how can anyone argue he's lived up to his last contract? He's in no position to posture.

It feels like both sides know this marriage is over. I thought he could maybe stay another year, but what is the point? Shitty to say but his career here really does feel finished. Weird times for this young fan.

Contract ploy to get extension  
micky : 1/2/2019 7:51 pm : link
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This team  
Leg of Theismann : 1/2/2019 8:10 pm : link
Is 8-24 over the last 2 seasons. Anyone (including Eli)!who thinks they can add a few pieces here and there and have a legitimate shot at winning a super bowl in the next 2 years are not seeing reality. Not seeing it isnít *possible*, but a ďwin nowĒ mentality would be a bad investment by anyone at this point.
The today is the first day in awhile that I seriously  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/2/2019 8:13 pm : link
think he might not be a Giant come next summer.
*not sure why I put The  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/2/2019 8:14 pm : link
in front of today.
RE: Contract ploy to get extension  
Default : 1/2/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14245049 micky said:
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Yup, and they are going to fucking fall for it too.
RE: People are cofusing actual dollars with cap hit  
mattyblue : 1/2/2019 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14244950 HomerJones45 said:
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In actual dollars, the Giants have to pay $17,000,000 for 2019. March 17 is the big day; Manning is due a $5,000,000 roster bonus. If they pay the bonus, he is going to be the qb.

The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.

And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.


I am not following this and I donít really pay attention to the cap stuff. I understand the 6 million cap hit if we cut him, but we also would have to pay him 17 million if he plays 2019. If he is cut isnít that 17 million more cap space?
I don't think it was reasonable to expect it to end all rosy  
jcn56 : 1/2/2019 8:22 pm : link
between the Giants and Eli. Not that it wasn't possible - but in most cases, things don't tend to end very well for high performing players with long careers, it's more typical than not that they don't know when to hang 'em up.

Eli's had a good run and he's made a ton of money. If he goes somewhere else, I honestly hope he's not making a mistake and picks somewhere that gives him a chance to function and succeed. I'd rather not see him struggle for one last year in another uniform (although I'm certain if I were him I'd rather take in one more year of salary regardless).
The only way Eli is back is if he takes a pay cut  
Bergen346 : 1/2/2019 8:33 pm : link
Isnít that obvious at this point? If Eli wants to end his career here he will have to take a pay cut. If he cares more about the money he will find somewhere else to play.

Tom Brady has done it for years... if Eli is the guy everyone says he is and loves the organization, which I think he is and he does, he will be back at 12-15MM a year while they groom a replacement. I think thatís the most likely scenario.

It sounded like DG felt the biggest issue this year was the lack of talent on our OL and defense.
Eli to Jax,  
PatersonPlank : 1/2/2019 9:00 pm : link
Lead Jax to the Super Bowl
RE: These guys are all negotiating and biding time  
JOrthman : 1/2/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14244892 Essex said:
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the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.


You've said that on multiple threads and I still don't get what it means. "The Mannings don't leave money on the able..."
RE: I don't think it was reasonable to expect it to end all rosy  
Les in TO : 1/2/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14245103 jcn56 said:
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between the Giants and Eli. Not that it wasn't possible - but in most cases, things don't tend to end very well for high performing players with long careers, it's more typical than not that they don't know when to hang 'em up.

Eli's had a good run and he's made a ton of money. If he goes somewhere else, I honestly hope he's not making a mistake and picks somewhere that gives him a chance to function and succeed. I'd rather not see him struggle for one last year in another uniform (although I'm certain if I were him I'd rather take in one more year of salary regardless).
Denver and Jax would be good fits as they have great defenses and holes at QB where he would be an upgrade. If he goes to the Skins Phind or Raiders heĒll end his career like Favre
I think Eli isnít here in 2019  
Sean : 1/2/2019 9:57 pm : link
Gettleman is playing bad cop while Shurmur is playing good cop. I remember Gettlemanís press conference on draft night after drafting Barkley where he said something along the lines of...

ďWe are going to find out.Ē when pressed about Eliís play in 2018. The hope was for Eli to play well, compete for the division & he could be the guy for another 2-3 years. It hasnít turned out this way & I think the plan is to move on.

Itís sad. Even if itís in the best interest of the Giants & Eli - itís sad.
RE: I think Eli isnít here in 2019  
Les in TO : 1/2/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14245302 Sean said:
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Gettleman is playing bad cop while Shurmur is playing good cop. I remember Gettlemanís press conference on draft night after drafting Barkley where he said something along the lines of...

ďWe are going to find out.Ē when pressed about Eliís play in 2018. The hope was for Eli to play well, compete for the division & he could be the guy for another 2-3 years. It hasnít turned out this way & I think the plan is to move on.

Itís sad. Even if itís in the best interest of the Giants & Eli - itís sad.
whatís sad has been this long stretch of losing football. Even that is not truly sad in the bigger picture of life
He threw the defense  
cjac : 1/2/2019 10:06 pm : link
Under the bus

Finally
Itís very clear whatís going on...  
bw in dc : 1/2/2019 10:37 pm : link
Eli can stay if he takes a significant haircut.

And heís insulted.
This is fascinating stuff......  
Dry Lightning : 1/2/2019 11:22 pm : link
I tend to agree this is about money. That comment from Eli about what they could stand and what I could stand seemed to be a money deal. I have always been the biggest Eli fan of them all. However, he is making a mistake if he lets his agent quibble about the money. Fuck the money. Tom Brady plays for less money cause he wants to win. It is not about swallowing pride, it is about common sense. Come back at a reduced rate. We can add players. Maybe you mentor a first round QB. Whatever happens, if the Giants lose it's over, if they win, you keep playing. That would be the same for any other team you would be on. Eli needs to stay, make the contract more manageable-extension with no bonus or guarantee- two year deal. The worst thing would be some lingering drama. I'm afraid Eli leaving this up to his agent might be a mistake this time. The golden goose has almost been wrung out, so now his agent is just trying for maximum dollars. That is not in Eli's best interest.
So does Eli go to DG  
Doomster : 1/2/2019 11:25 pm : link
and say he would wave the no trade clause to play for a contender?
eli can play at a good enough level  
giantstock : 1/2/2019 11:27 pm : link
Both DG and JR just haven't given him the chance. ANd imo its too late now for the gmen and Eli.

I hope ELi goes somewhere and wins a SB. He can't do it here. The teama isn't just a QB away even if they build up the OL. And each year ELi will fade from this point.
When I looked at Eli as the clock ran out on the Cowboys game  
Mike in Prescott : 1/2/2019 11:27 pm : link
I tried to imagine what was going through his mind. What I came with to match his expression and body language was "were those really the last 4 passes of my career?" Disappointment and disgust.
Gettleman's reputation is that he doesn't cave  
Since1965 : 1/2/2019 11:30 pm : link
to sentimentality. That appeared to be his "M O" in Carolina, which didn't please a few veterans. I'd be shocked if Manning is back on his current contract.
Think the Redskins are the worst-case scenario?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/3/2019 1:28 am : link
In comment [url=index.php?modeDiver_Down said:
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I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
Yeah, I was basically kidding with the Redskin jersey. But are Eliís chances for another ring really better here than in Washington or (assuming Dak flames out) Dallas? If the injuries and illnesses clear up, those teams could both have excellent offensive lines.
RE: So does Eli go to DG  
Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 6:23 am : link
In comment 14245383 Doomster said:
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and say he would wave the no trade clause to play for a contender?


If I'm Eli, then I make that decision on the 6th day of the league year. It is a give/take. Eli gives up the NTC so the Giants can trade him for draft collateral, but it will cost the Giants $5M for that privilege.
RE: Think the Redskins are the worst-case scenario?  
Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 6:31 am : link
In comment 14245430 Big Blue Blogger said:
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I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.

Yeah, I was basically kidding with the Redskin jersey. But are Eliís chances for another ring really better here than in Washington or (assuming Dak flames out) Dallas? If the injuries and illnesses clear up, those teams could both have excellent offensive lines.


We all saw Washington's OL go down in the one game. I think they lost 3 starters in the one game alone. Prior to that, they were clear front runners in the East preparing to stack some wins. Then the OL went to hell and Alex snapped his twig.

I would hate to see Manning there, but they need a QB. I would be surprised if Alex returns. The money they have committed to him hamstrings them in signing another like Foles. A 1-2 year stop gap while the money clears from Smith's contract is what they will need. They can stick with Colt or try to capture some of the Fitzmagic.

RE: Dallas. I assume Dak will get paid. The question with Dallas is how they are going to pay everyone else. Zeke will need money, Amari will need money, D.Law will need money, etc. They have some big tickets that need to be paid.
Skins have a good OL when healthy  
ZogZerg : 1/3/2019 6:34 am : link
But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.
RE: Skins have a good OL when healthy  
Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 6:42 am : link
In comment 14245456 ZogZerg said:
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.


They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.
RE: Itís very clear whatís going on...  
mfsd : 1/3/2019 6:55 am : link
In comment 14245354 bw in dc said:
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Eli can stay if he takes a significant haircut.

And heís insulted.


This is my read...DGís comments about having a very honest convo with Eli likely centered around him telling Eli if heís coming back, itís not for $23 million. IMHO
Eli said early in the interview  
cjac : 1/3/2019 7:51 am : link
We had a lot of leads late and we werent able to win the game.

I think he walked into Gettlemans office and basically told him that he doesnt want to be here and go through another losing season.

When he said "he took me to the low post and won" leads me to believe that instead of Gettleman telling Eli he needs to do better, it was more Eli telling him if he doesnt fix this mess i'm going to just retire.
Obviously we are all speculating, cjac, that sounds reasonable  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/3/2019 7:59 am : link
I wonder also if this has to do with drafting a QB high. Eli may have said "I want to win now, devote resources towards that, aka 1st rd pick is an OT," meaning ignore the QBs in the draft.

This is where DG may have said "I'm going to do what's best for the Giants."

If you think about DG he may be thinking of trying to do both, field a winning team and develop a QB for the future and the split is Eli is let's go all in this year. This offseason will tell us who won that battle.
RE: RE: People are cofusing actual dollars with cap hit  
HomerJones45 : 1/3/2019 8:05 am : link
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In actual dollars, the Giants have to pay $17,000,000 for 2019. March 17 is the big day; Manning is due a $5,000,000 roster bonus. If they pay the bonus, he is going to be the qb.

The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.

And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.




I am not following this and I donít really pay attention to the cap stuff. I understand the 6 million cap hit if we cut him, but we also would have to pay him 17 million if he plays 2019. If he is cut isnít that 17 million more cap space?
Correct but remember at that point some of that money needs to be spent on a qb.
RE: The only way Eli is back is if he takes a pay cut  
HomerJones45 : 1/3/2019 8:11 am : link
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Isnít that obvious at this point? If Eli wants to end his career here he will have to take a pay cut. If he cares more about the money he will find somewhere else to play.

Tom Brady has done it for years... if Eli is the guy everyone says he is and loves the organization, which I think he is and he does, he will be back at 12-15MM a year while they groom a replacement. I think thatís the most likely scenario.

It sounded like DG felt the biggest issue this year was the lack of talent on our OL and defense.
that's not how it works. Brady has never taken a pay cut. There is an extention and the salary due is turned into a bonus paid up front but when the package is amortized over the contract length the cap number is lower.
RE: RE: Itís very clear whatís going on...  
HomerJones45 : 1/3/2019 8:14 am : link
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Eli can stay if he takes a significant haircut.

And heís insulted.



This is my read...DGís comments about having a very honest convo with Eli likely centered around him telling Eli if heís coming back, itís not for $23 million. IMHO
If Manning is coming back, the $$$ are 17 million, not 23. The cap hit is 23. Therecare only two ways to lower that: a) cut him or b) extend him. There is no c
RE: RE: RE: Itís very clear whatís going on...  
mfsd : 1/3/2019 8:18 am : link
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Eli can stay if he takes a significant haircut.

And heís insulted.



This is my read...DGís comments about having a very honest convo with Eli likely centered around him telling Eli if heís coming back, itís not for $23 million. IMHO

If Manning is coming back, the $$$ are 17 million, not 23. The cap hit is 23. Therecare only two ways to lower that: a) cut him or b) extend him. There is no c


Good explanation. Not sure if lowering cap hit by extending him makes sense. Tough decision may be coming
RE: RE: Skins have a good OL when healthy  
bradshaw44 : 1/3/2019 8:20 am : link
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.



They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.


If Eli is cut, it makes a ton of sense. Eli still gets paid by the Giants and can accept a team friendly contract from the Skins that doesn't kill them when accompanied with Smith. And their OL is very good when healthy. If they add to the OL in the draft and grab Eli and a FA WR this could be a very real outcome.

Living down here in DC I will be devastated.
I think cjac has the right read on this  
LG in NYC : 1/3/2019 8:23 am : link
I heard the interview and thought it was one of the more honest Eli interviews. he really did give a sense of his frustration at losing these past 7-8 years and did intimate that the games were lost at the end with the D on the field (my words, not his).

he is such a likable guy... I wish it wasn't ending this way.
Move on  
NYG007 : 1/3/2019 8:29 am : link
Both parties. Missing the playoffs what, 10 of 15 years? And how many of those years were absolutely brutal on Eli's part? Russel Wilson wins with NO line. Throws 4 TD's a game when his #1 and #2 WR's are out hurt.

Enough. I love 10 ball, always will. Enough of this 5-11 bullshit. Its time, move on. I have seen COUNTLESS plays this year with wide open plays where Eli did not see them for fear of being hit. We need a younger QB who stands in the pocket and delivers, or picks up a 3rd and 5 with his feet instead of chucking it when the blitz comes.

Enough. 10ball will forever be in our hearts, our minds have moved on.
RE: RE: RE: Skins have a good OL when healthy  
Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 8:34 am : link
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.



They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.



If Eli is cut, it makes a ton of sense. Eli still gets paid by the Giants and can accept a team friendly contract from the Skins that doesn't kill them when accompanied with Smith. And their OL is very good when healthy. If they add to the OL in the draft and grab Eli and a FA WR this could be a very real outcome.

Living down here in DC I will be devastated.


Eli wouldn't be paid by the Giants. A vet is entitled to 1 year's salary once in their career if they are released after they are on the final 53. There is no consolation prize to being released before final cutdowns except for any earned bonuses in the interim.
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bradshaw44 : 1/3/2019 8:35 am : link
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.



They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.



If Eli is cut, it makes a ton of sense. Eli still gets paid by the Giants and can accept a team friendly contract from the Skins that doesn't kill them when accompanied with Smith. And their OL is very good when healthy. If they add to the OL in the draft and grab Eli and a FA WR this could be a very real outcome.

Living down here in DC I will be devastated.



Eli wouldn't be paid by the Giants. A vet is entitled to 1 year's salary once in their career if they are released after they are on the final 53. There is no consolation prize to being released before final cutdowns except for any earned bonuses in the interim.


So the money on his contract is only if he makes the roster?
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Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 8:39 am : link
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.



They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.



If Eli is cut, it makes a ton of sense. Eli still gets paid by the Giants and can accept a team friendly contract from the Skins that doesn't kill them when accompanied with Smith. And their OL is very good when healthy. If they add to the OL in the draft and grab Eli and a FA WR this could be a very real outcome.

Living down here in DC I will be devastated.



Eli wouldn't be paid by the Giants. A vet is entitled to 1 year's salary once in their career if they are released after they are on the final 53. There is no consolation prize to being released before final cutdowns except for any earned bonuses in the interim.



So the money on his contract is only if he makes the roster?


He has roster bonuses and workout bonuses that are due in the interim. His salary is independent of them. If he collects his salary, he must be on the final 53.
RE: Eli said early in the interview  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14245491 cjac said:
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We had a lot of leads late and we werent able to win the game.

I think he walked into Gettlemans office and basically told him that he doesnt want to be here and go through another losing season.

When he said "he took me to the low post and won" leads me to believe that instead of Gettleman telling Eli he needs to do better, it was more Eli telling him if he doesnt fix this mess i'm going to just retire.


Why not this?

ELI:

I think itís important you hear this directly from me, so thatís why I wanted to come in.

I know you werenít here in 2017, but I was dealt a bad hand with our injuries. I didnít complain and competed. Even with all of the other stuff with Ben and the benching, I felt I still had something left in the tank. And you and Pat thought the same thing when you watched game film.

This year we had another new offense with Pat and a lot of new guys. I came in ready to play and we all understood that this might take time to gell. It was tough early, but we stuck with it and found a nice rhythm going in the second half. And that showed up in our final total points. There were games where we got a lead late but struggled to close it out.

Look, I feel good where this thing is going. Iíll let you guys make the necessary tweaks but I know I can still lead this team. We found our stride and I want to continue to help this thing move forward.

Iíll be honest. I want to retire a Giant. This is all I know. Iíve left it all out on that field for 15 years. I know Tom has talked to you about money and that could be an obstacle. Iím willing to help the team but this has to be fair in both directions. I know there are other layers here, like a transition plan for the next quarterback, but I think we can work together on those too.

I donít want to beg for my job but I want to make sure you hear my perspective on this season and going forward.

DG:

I appreciate all that. I know Pat feels very similarly. Heís feeling particularly good about the second half performance and finding the best way to keep that going into next year. I think thatís important.

And you know John. Heíll always be your advocate.

But Iím just going to be honest and blunt here, and I said the same thing to Tom. Weíve got a lot of holes to plug. And you know know where those are. Weíve got the cap to manage and I just canít get you to a number thats close to where you are now. That just has to be said. But I want to be respectful and not go nuts either. So we just need more time to evaluate. Letís reconnect in about a month after weíve done all the exit interviews and we complete the film review.

Iím aware you and Tom might put out feelers to judge other opportunities. I get it and have no issues. And if something gets interesting let me know right away so we can talk it through with you, Tom, John and Pat...

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bradshaw44 : 1/3/2019 8:42 am : link
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But, they like a mobile QB. One of their big complaints about Cousins was that he didn't run enough.



They are in a unique situation due to the contract guarantees to Smith. What the Skins like and what they will settle for are 2 different things. I see their choices as being very limited. Hope and pray that Alex can play again. Hope that Colt with a full off-season can elevate his play. Maybe get lucky with the draft. Sign a Fitz, McCown, Tier 2 QB. They won't be able to afford Foles. If somehow Eli is available, he is the best option beyond the hope/prayer for Smith.



If Eli is cut, it makes a ton of sense. Eli still gets paid by the Giants and can accept a team friendly contract from the Skins that doesn't kill them when accompanied with Smith. And their OL is very good when healthy. If they add to the OL in the draft and grab Eli and a FA WR this could be a very real outcome.

Living down here in DC I will be devastated.



Eli wouldn't be paid by the Giants. A vet is entitled to 1 year's salary once in their career if they are released after they are on the final 53. There is no consolation prize to being released before final cutdowns except for any earned bonuses in the interim.



So the money on his contract is only if he makes the roster?



He has roster bonuses and workout bonuses that are due in the interim. His salary is independent of them. If he collects his salary, he must be on the final 53.


Gotcha. Well that may throw a wrench in the Skins deal. Good.
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LG in NYC : 1/3/2019 8:51 am : link
i don't why but that made me laugh... it was so descriptive.

truth is, it could also have gone exactly like that. I think DG stating "Eli took me to the low pats and won" suggests Eli putting the screws to SG more than the other way around which is why I think most here are interpreting the meeting being one of Eli telling DG "I am done getting my ass handed to me every week. I am doing my part, now fix the O Line and the Defense and let's go win for a change"

Plus I also think Archie saying what he said in the press is telling.
SG=DG  
LG in NYC : 1/3/2019 8:53 am : link
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Eliís not  
mittenedman : 1/3/2019 8:53 am : link
just blaming the D heís blaming the whole team. Take the last DAL game - 4th and 10 he throws a strike to Latimer who cant make the contested catch with the game on the line.

This team - from a personnel standpoint - is so far removed from what he played in from 04-12 before the wheels fell off and its been 7 years of crap since. Nobody steps up, nonody makes the big play. Hell at one point Bradshaw was 3rd string RB, Hixon #4WR. Beast OL, great pass rushing D going 8-deep up front.

We are so far from that, and have been for so long, its disgusting. And quite frankly, there is little hope of having that kind of team in 19.
I think a lot of you are superimposing your own beliefs  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/3/2019 9:07 am : link
in interpreting that interview

What I heard was a guy who hates losing and wants to win and feels he still has it.

He likes the direction the team is going in and had fun during the second half.

He thinks the team is on the right track and has a lot of high character guys on it.

He wants to come back and whats best for the Giants.

I think you have to discount tone -- this is Eli Manning - he talks funny -- I think you need to take him at face value

I think he wants to come out on top again and do what it takes on his part to do that --

That could mean contract adjustments -- he certainly said he appreciated the way they handled the Right Tackle and Right Guard changes during the season

RE: I think a lot of you are superimposing your own beliefs  
crick n NC : 1/3/2019 9:23 am : link
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in interpreting that interview

What I heard was a guy who hates losing and wants to win and feels he still has it.

He likes the direction the team is going in and had fun during the second half.

He thinks the team is on the right track and has a lot of high character guys on it.

He wants to come back and whats best for the Giants.

I think you have to discount tone -- this is Eli Manning - he talks funny -- I think you need to take him at face value

I think he wants to come out on top again and do what it takes on his part to do that --

That could mean contract adjustments -- he certainly said he appreciated the way they handled the Right Tackle and Right Guard changes during the season


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RE: RE: These guys are all negotiating and biding time  
Essex : 1/3/2019 9:32 am : link
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the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.



You've said that on multiple threads and I still don't get what it means. "The Mannings don't leave money on the able..."

Neither Peyton or Eli have ever given the deep discounts like Brady. Archie zealously protects his sons positions (which is his right as their parent), but this thought that Eli was going to come in here and say you know what I have not been the same guy, renegotiate and say give me 14 million so we can win next year was never going to happen. The only way Eli will take less money is if he does not believe he can get more money. Some stars do not take that attitude, especially ones that earn income from outside deals.
Again that is not a knock on Eli  
Essex : 1/3/2019 9:34 am : link
its just the way the Mannings do business. Its Eli who is sacrificing his body every week and I have no right to tell him what he should be compensated for it. My observation is all I am giving, not an opinion on whether its right or wrong.
My 2 Cents  
Bernie : 1/3/2019 9:49 am : link
Eli knows the Giants are going to ask him to take a pay cut because they are not going to pay him $16.5 million cash next season ($11.5 salary + $5.0 roster bonus). As such, Eli is posturing for some kind of extension in exchange for the paycut. Eli knows the end is near and that the future QB of the Giants will be on the roster sooner rather than later. I think Eli believes with another good offseason, the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year and possibly contending to go deep in 2 years and he wants to be part of that.
RE: Makes Sense to Me  
MotownGIANTS : 1/3/2019 11:45 am : link
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I have been saying for two years that it makes no sense for Eli, with his age and lack of mobility to continue to play for the Giants given the poor state of the roster. No one wants to go out a loser and Eli is both incapable of lifting this team to the playoffs by himself and too old to want to wait for the pieces to all be put in place. Will he leave? I still doubt it, and I cannot think of any team which can protect him, has the players to make the playoffs and needs a QB.


Here is the thing giving up dollars to get the OL help specifically lets him stay and put the O in a place to fight for the division from a legit position. Will letting the GM sure up the DL and 2ndary via other means. Ok he can balk and go to Jax for a yr and see how that goes ... that is the ONLY team that really is a fit for him as a "contender" .... TB if the wants to battle with Jamison ....
RE: My 2 Cents  
rich in DC : 1/3/2019 11:54 am : link
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Eli knows the Giants are going to ask him to take a pay cut because they are not going to pay him $16.5 million cash next season ($11.5 salary + $5.0 roster bonus). As such, Eli is posturing for some kind of extension in exchange for the paycut. Eli knows the end is near and that the future QB of the Giants will be on the roster sooner rather than later. I think Eli believes with another good offseason, the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year and possibly contending to go deep in 2 years and he wants to be part of that.


No, even with an A+ level offseason, this is NOT a playoff contender. There is not enough cap space to keep Eli (even with a BIG pay cut) and rebuild the defense and hit home runs on their picks to make this a 9-10 win team.

This is the offseason that the team cuts/trades a LOT of vets- including Eli- so that they can continue to build in the draft, and then add in a FA splurge after next season.
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rocco8112 : 1/3/2019 12:16 pm : link
the Giants are waiting to see who enters the draft? Or who is a FA to see if they need cap space?

Eli is who he is at this point. He is not inured. So what are the decisions yo5be made?

Situation is strange and I think it's over for Eli here. This is the end of an era.
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Bernie : 1/3/2019 3:31 pm : link
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Eli knows the Giants are going to ask him to take a pay cut because they are not going to pay him $16.5 million cash next season ($11.5 salary + $5.0 roster bonus). As such, Eli is posturing for some kind of extension in exchange for the paycut. Eli knows the end is near and that the future QB of the Giants will be on the roster sooner rather than later. I think Eli believes with another good offseason, the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year and possibly contending to go deep in 2 years and he wants to be part of that.



No, even with an A+ level offseason, this is NOT a playoff contender. There is not enough cap space to keep Eli (even with a BIG pay cut) and rebuild the defense and hit home runs on their picks to make this a 9-10 win team.

This is the offseason that the team cuts/trades a LOT of vets- including Eli- so that they can continue to build in the draft, and then add in a FA splurge after next season.


Perhaps, but my post was from Eli's perspective, not what I think about the team.

However, FWIW, who are these vets that they're cutting? There are 12 guys on the roster from the 2017 season that are under contract. With the exception of 1 or 2 guys, the 2018 F/A signings and draft picks are not going anywhere. I highly doubt they try to rebuild the defense thru top end free agency. That's what Reese tried to do and failed. This will be done thru the draft and second and third tier free agents plus the maturation of young guys on the roster today. And considering that in the last month of the season the Giants beat 1 playoff team and lost to 3 others by a combined total of 5 points, not convinced the team does not think they will be a playoff team in 2019.
RE: RE: RE: These guys are all negotiating and biding time  
JOrthman : 1/3/2019 7:21 pm : link
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the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.



You've said that on multiple threads and I still don't get what it means. "The Mannings don't leave money on the able..."


Neither Peyton or Eli have ever given the deep discounts like Brady. Archie zealously protects his sons positions (which is his right as their parent), but this thought that Eli was going to come in here and say you know what I have not been the same guy, renegotiate and say give me 14 million so we can win next year was never going to happen. The only way Eli will take less money is if he does not believe he can get more money. Some stars do not take that attitude, especially ones that earn income from outside deals.


NO player takes a cut outside of Brady and I'm still not sure he really did that either. Every player gets what the team or market is willing to give them. No one takes a cut or less money unless they have to. That is true in life and football.
Just how good will the Giants be next season?  
blink667 : 1/3/2019 7:26 pm : link
After reading Archie Manning's statement about what Eli might do, the determining factor appears to be whether the Giants get good enough to get into the post season where Eli's a wildcard and can take a competent team deep into the playoffs. I seriously doubt he would be willing to play another season where he's getting his butt kicked and losing games because the D can't hold a lead in the last minute of the game.
RE: Iím not sure Eli would have offers from other teams  
MetsAreBack : 1/3/2019 8:21 pm : link
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I mean, I think his performance the past few years has more to do with the lack of pass protection than anything else. But, the narrative on him is terrible. And heís 38. Where would he play?


Jacksonville and Tennessee both make sense (assuming Tennessee finally realizes Mariota will never be a good, quick release pocket passer that will enable him to avoid injury most seasons)

Miami i suppose is in flux with new coach and Tannehill a ?

Denver i dont think he'd consider since there's some ill-will there b/w Peyton and Elway

Skins, i guess... but its hard to see that.

That's about it, right?
RE: RE: Iím not sure Eli would have offers from other teams  
Diver_Down : 1/3/2019 8:34 pm : link
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I mean, I think his performance the past few years has more to do with the lack of pass protection than anything else. But, the narrative on him is terrible. And heís 38. Where would he play?



Jacksonville and Tennessee both make sense (assuming Tennessee finally realizes Mariota will never be a good, quick release pocket passer that will enable him to avoid injury most seasons)

Miami i suppose is in flux with new coach and Tannehill a ?

Denver i dont think he'd consider since there's some ill-will there b/w Peyton and Elway

Skins, i guess... but its hard to see that.

That's about it, right?


That is the first time, I ever heard Tenn. being a possible destination. The problem is that they have picked up his 5th year option at $21M. If he can't pass a physical at the start of the league year, then the Titans are on the hook.
Jacksonville already has a money issue with Bortles  
Default : 1/3/2019 8:48 pm : link
they sure as hell aren't taking on more by trading for Eli.
Why does Brady take a paycut?  
montanagiant : 1/3/2019 9:20 pm : link
Because he makes it up with his TB12 Sports Therapy Center company located right next to Gillette stadium.

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The Globe report states that the Patriots pay the center's market rate of $200 per hour to treat players while other physical therapy companies pay large sums of money to sponsor teams like the Eagles and Bears. The Patriots' payment for services could potentially be viewed as providing Brady with "additional value" outside his contract, which is not allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. Quoting directly from the report.
RE: RE: RE: Iím not sure Eli would have offers from other teams  
MetsAreBack : 1/3/2019 10:34 pm : link
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I mean, I think his performance the past few years has more to do with the lack of pass protection than anything else. But, the narrative on him is terrible. And heís 38. Where would he play?



Jacksonville and Tennessee both make sense (assuming Tennessee finally realizes Mariota will never be a good, quick release pocket passer that will enable him to avoid injury most seasons)

Miami i suppose is in flux with new coach and Tannehill a ?

Denver i dont think he'd consider since there's some ill-will there b/w Peyton and Elway

Skins, i guess... but its hard to see that.

That's about it, right?



That is the first time, I ever heard Tenn. being a possible destination. The problem is that they have picked up his 5th year option at $21M. If he can't pass a physical at the start of the league year, then the Titans are on the hook.


I haven't read all the analysis. Just thinking it through in my head without contract details. I just know Tennessee has a good defense, a good line, a good two man running game in Jacobs II and Dion Lewis, and a star WR in the making in Corey Davis who simply needs a pro QB throwing to him.

He will pass his physical. And new coaches and even an owner ... but always though to admit mistakes like Mariota to your fan base I guess. He will never win for them. I watched a lot of their games this year - he is so slow with awareness and pocket presence
the only problem I have with any of this stuff  
Jersey55 : 1/4/2019 5:23 pm : link
with Eli staying or leaving is the team is still in the same hole they were last year at QB, I"m getting the impression that they would like to move on from Eli but that comes with big problems. First problem is Eli has a no trade clause in his contract so he can't be traded without his permission, second is the team has made no provisions for his replacement (again) and for people who say he can still play at a high level then why aren't we seeing it, unless we all believe that its none of Eli's fault, the poor guys on the O line must be tired of getting all the crap because of Eli's inability to get the job done....
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Bill in UT : 1/4/2019 6:35 pm : link
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Though he was pretty adamant in stating he still thinks he can play at a high level...


The player is always the last one to know
the Giants need to do what is  
Bill in UT : 1/4/2019 6:46 pm : link
best for the Giants on the field. Screw Mara if he gets in the way of that.
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