Says he still wants to play, but sounds like he's thinking things through. Also, first time I've ever heard him suggest options were open with respect to playing for other teams.
Heard it.
I think he retires or plays somewhere else.
During this "decision making time", you can be sure that Condon is fishing the interest for him, even for 1 year for a team that needs a veteran presence at the position.
the segment should be up shortly for others to listen to. He discussed a lot of matters regarding the team, not just his status. I thought it was curious the segment on Character guys. I couldn't help to think that some of the reference was throwing shade on few in the locker room.
With regards to playing for another team, he basically said that no one plans for it, but realizes that it is a possibility. When pressed if he would ever play in another team's jersey, Eli pivoted stating that his desire was always to play for the Giants. But then also indicated that he would like to continue to play. Wouldn't decide until the decision on his status with the team is made.
I suspect that his desire to continue to play and his desire to play in one jersey will lead him to be amenable to a restructure.
Between DG's presser and interview, Pat's interview, and Eli's interview, it seems that the decision is very much undecided.
He should consider other teams if the Giants cut him Â
He could have success with a decent team and a decent OL. I don't believe he is done, even if the Giants cut him. That is just a sound business decision by them.
Definitely sounded the most down and out I've heard him. Â
Definitely sounds like something is up. Don't blame him. At some point, the constant losing has to take it's toll. I mean, this is 6 of 7 years now. That's a huge chunk of a career.
Giants will pay him. They need cap space to create a competitive team. They have some bad contracts and dead space inherited from the old regime. At $12-15 million he is probably part of the solution. Higher and he is part of the problem.
I think he would rather be on a winning team. The losing and being blamed for it, is getting old - both for him and the team.
Definitely sounds like something is up. Don't blame him. At some point, the constant losing has to take it's toll. I mean, this is 6 of 7 years now. That's a huge chunk of a career.
The losing was an emphasis. To piggyback your response with Matt's (above yours), it is hard to think of a team that has a decent OL and winning track record that Eli would play for. If he was released, I don't think he would accept any team just to continue to play. He wants to win and get back to the playoffs.
the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.
but he will decide against it. If the Giants do decide to move on then I hope he goes to a team like Jacksonville that gives him a chance to win. I am starting to get a bad feeling that Nick Foles will be the man to replace him. Gettleman doesn't sound like a man that wants to go with a rookie QB as the starter and I don't think that he would get rid of Eli and go with a downgrade like Bridgewater, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, or Bradford. I don't want Foles unless it is to mentor a young QB but he is probably the best realistic option available.
Archie gives interview saying Eli can retire and if he comes back Giants need to win
Eli skips his media on Monday for first time
DG sets narrative that Eli future is murky at his presser
DG reveals Eli wanted to talk to him
Shurmur on air mentions mobile QB
Eli on air starts talking about other teams
My assessment-
Mannings know Giants want Eli back at a reduced cost. This is likely a 1 year extension.
If Eli takes a pay cut, the Giants are in position to move on next year from Manning, especially if they draft his replacement at 6.
Eli probably has rejected that proposal. Why would he take it?
Eli instead asks for a 2 year extension at a lower per year value but enough that makes it difficult for Giants to move on next year and therefore making it hard for them to draft a QB at 6.
The Giants probably rejected that proposal. Why would they take it?
The current situation is the Mannings and Giants are in game of chicken., give him his 2 year extension at his cost, Eli plays last year of his deal at current contract or they have to release him.
Mannings are engaged in media relations game to sway public opinion so fans won’t accept that and Giants give in to his extension.
I don’t think Giants like any of the 3options Eli has given them. I think Maras don’t want public backlash of an Eli release. I don’t think Gettleman wants a 2 year extension and I don’t think Giants want to have him play at his current contract.
I have been saying for two years that it makes no sense for Eli, with his age and lack of mobility to continue to play for the Giants given the poor state of the roster. No one wants to go out a loser and Eli is both incapable of lifting this team to the playoffs by himself and too old to want to wait for the pieces to all be put in place. Will he leave? I still doubt it, and I cannot think of any team which can protect him, has the players to make the playoffs and needs a QB.
RE: These guys are all negotiating and biding time Â
the Manning's never leave money on the table, the Giants don't want to give him 23 million. As of now, I think there is a lot of posturing going on. If the Giants tell Eli they want him back, what leverage do they have to renegotiate with him? If Eli says he isn't opposed to retiring or playing with another team, what leverage does he have against being cut? It is all a guessing game from our outside perspective. Maybe Gettleman loves one of the QBs (either FA or draft) and is holding out. Maybe he doesn't but wants Eli back at a much more reasonable number. We really don't know anything and all the guessing in the world is not going to lead us to a satisfactory answer because we just do not have enough information.
I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
I’m not sure Eli would have offers from other teams Â
I mean, I think his performance the past few years has more to do with the lack of pass protection than anything else. But, the narrative on him is terrible. And he’s 38. Where would he play?
But I can’t see him leaving all that money on the table. They would have to agree on some sort of buyout.
No they wouldn't. They can cut him before his roster bonus is due and not owe him another penny. If their goal is to move on, what would be the point of a buyout? To have him contractually obligated to not play for anyone else? How does that make any sense?
I think DG is a rip-off-the-band-aid guy. If he thinks Eli is the problem, or getting in the way of a solution, Eli will go. Even if Eli stays, if DG thinks it's time to get a new QB, he'll go get a guy, be it through the draft, trade or free agency.
If it's the draft, I wouldn't expect to see that guy a lot this year, since Shurmur clearly prefers veteran QBs. But by 2020 they would clearly want to put that guy on the field.
So they way I see this is: Eli may be back, but only for one more year. They will go get a QB who is meant to be his successor, and if it's a draftee then that guy will get every chance to start in 2020, maybe competing with Lauletta and a veteran.
I was at the Rose Bowl game yesterday (well, until about the middle of the third quarter, anyway) and in person, I wasn't that impressed with Haskins. He seemed off early and kept missing open receivers. He seemed to get better once he relaxed and he did put some throws in tight windows. As others noted on the game thread, he had so much time to throw it's tough to get a read on him. It was ridiculous how much time he had in the pocket. He could just stand there and survey the field... stand... survey... order pizza... stand... eat the pizza... survey...
There is no team that will give Eli the money and committement he wants. How many teams would be in the market for him?
1- there are free agent options in Foles, Flacco and maybe Bridgewater and potential trade options in Carr and Brissett
2- you have Haskins, LOck and Jones looking like 1st round picks
3- you have Jags, Denver, And Washington in QB market. You could potentially have Tampa, Miami, Cincy and Tennessee. Tampa sounds like they are keeping Winston. Denver is going to another high priced vet when they have Keenum. Washington is likely going the draft route, presumably Miami and Cincy would look Draft as well. Jags and maybe Titans are looking a vet. Maybe, but they have options. Jags could go draft, Titans could go another year on Mariota,
Does Eli really want to put himself out there in that market? What kind of deal is he gonna get?
I honestly think there isn’t much a market for him, if any at all.
If they can’t or won’t come to an agreement, is a matter of Eli playing for the Giants next year at $23 million or the Giants cut him within a few months with no salary cap hit next year?
I think Mannings know the threat of another team Â
Is likely to move the fan reaction. I think they have (correctly) assessed that the fan base would be accepting of his retirement and that’s why they threw out there the idea of another team.
They know the media will run with this. Fans react. They hope Maras cave again,
I really don’t see the Mannings subjecting Eli to what I think would be a humiliating free agency experience.
If they can’t or won’t come to an agreement, is a matter of Eli playing for the Giants next year at $23 million or the Giants cut him within a few months with no salary cap hit next year?
If he is released before the roster bonus, it will still be $6.2M in dead money.
In actual dollars, the Giants have to pay $17,000,000 for 2019. March 17 is the big day; Manning is due a $5,000,000 roster bonus. If they pay the bonus, he is going to be the qb.
The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.
I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
Given the trajectory of that franchise into a moribund, fetid mess, the way Snyder has destroyed the fan base, the front office dysfunction, the uncertainty around the coaching staff, the lack of offensive weapons, Washington is probably the last place Manning would consider going, even for a boatload of money.
Eli's career record as a starter is down to 116-114 Â
I'm not sure I can recall a drop as precipitous as his in terms of legacy. He said it himself with Francesa: he's basically had two careers.
I hope for his sake he either retires or allows the Giants to trade him elsewhere. If he's the QB in 2019 he's gonna retire with a sub-.500 career record as a QB. Unbelievable.
I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
after listening to Gettleman's presser, Eli and Shurmer on WFAN, posters who are convinced Eli is going, others convinced Eli is staying or that Eli is retiring: Nobody knows anything.
1) Eli wants to continue to play under his own terms
2) He wants to finish his career here, but again it has to be to his liking in terms of $$$ and the future plans at QB
3) He wants to win
4) He likes where the team is going and sees that this team can be successful in the short term with him here
Other points:
He did really seem down and he generally wasn't as upbeat and positive as he has been in the past.
I think his father and family are counseling on this, and they are pulling him one way, while his gut and his competitive spirit are pulling him another way. His wife may also be pushing for retirement with the 4th child on the way, but that's up for anyone's guess.
I really don't know what to think - part of me says that Gettleman wants him to take a cut so that they can bring in payers and pay them competitively. I also can see them "pushing" him out and forcing him to retire. I think Eli was given some kind of an ultimatum and he's mulling it over now - and wants to think things through and decide which action is best for him and his future.
this was post meeting with Gettleman. Looks like it really is up in the air at this point whether he comes back or not. Especially if he has terms he needs to see.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
With AP already there all they need to do is bring in Fitz for his retirement tour and rehire...
I really do not see another team wanting his services and IF its true he does not want to take a pay cut, i would outright release him. The Giants may have failed him the last few years by providing a shitty coach and shitty offensive line. But, Eli has been compensated more than fairly in his career. In all honesty, how can anyone argue he's lived up to his last contract? He's in no position to posture.
It feels like both sides know this marriage is over. I thought he could maybe stay another year, but what is the point? Shitty to say but his career here really does feel finished. Weird times for this young fan.
Is 8-24 over the last 2 seasons. Anyone (including Eli)!who thinks they can add a few pieces here and there and have a legitimate shot at winning a super bowl in the next 2 years are not seeing reality. Not seeing it isn’t *possible*, but a “win now” mentality would be a bad investment by anyone at this point.
The today is the first day in awhile that I seriously Â
In actual dollars, the Giants have to pay $17,000,000 for 2019. March 17 is the big day; Manning is due a $5,000,000 roster bonus. If they pay the bonus, he is going to be the qb.
The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.
And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.
I am not following this and I don’t really pay attention to the cap stuff. I understand the 6 million cap hit if we cut him, but we also would have to pay him 17 million if he plays 2019. If he is cut isn’t that 17 million more cap space?
I don't think it was reasonable to expect it to end all rosy Â
between the Giants and Eli. Not that it wasn't possible - but in most cases, things don't tend to end very well for high performing players with long careers, it's more typical than not that they don't know when to hang 'em up.
Eli's had a good run and he's made a ton of money. If he goes somewhere else, I honestly hope he's not making a mistake and picks somewhere that gives him a chance to function and succeed. I'd rather not see him struggle for one last year in another uniform (although I'm certain if I were him I'd rather take in one more year of salary regardless).
The only way Eli is back is if he takes a pay cut Â
Isn’t that obvious at this point? If Eli wants to end his career here he will have to take a pay cut. If he cares more about the money he will find somewhere else to play.
Tom Brady has done it for years... if Eli is the guy everyone says he is and loves the organization, which I think he is and he does, he will be back at 12-15MM a year while they groom a replacement. I think that’s the most likely scenario.
It sounded like DG felt the biggest issue this year was the lack of talent on our OL and defense.
He sounded down and definitely fed up with the losing...
Though he was pretty adamant in stating he still thinks he can play at a high level...
I think he retires or plays somewhere else.
During this "decision making time", you can be sure that Condon is fishing the interest for him, even for 1 year for a team that needs a veteran presence at the position.
With regards to playing for another team, he basically said that no one plans for it, but realizes that it is a possibility. When pressed if he would ever play in another team's jersey, Eli pivoted stating that his desire was always to play for the Giants. But then also indicated that he would like to continue to play. Wouldn't decide until the decision on his status with the team is made.
I suspect that his desire to continue to play and his desire to play in one jersey will lead him to be amenable to a restructure.
Between DG's presser and interview, Pat's interview, and Eli's interview, it seems that the decision is very much undecided.
I think he would rather be on a winning team. The losing and being blamed for it, is getting old - both for him and the team.
I think this is more important than money right now.
The losing was an emphasis. To piggyback your response with Matt's (above yours), it is hard to think of a team that has a decent OL and winning track record that Eli would play for. If he was released, I don't think he would accept any team just to continue to play. He wants to win and get back to the playoffs.
Eli skips his media on Monday for first time
DG sets narrative that Eli future is murky at his presser
DG reveals Eli wanted to talk to him
Shurmur on air mentions mobile QB
Eli on air starts talking about other teams
My assessment-
Mannings know Giants want Eli back at a reduced cost. This is likely a 1 year extension.
If Eli takes a pay cut, the Giants are in position to move on next year from Manning, especially if they draft his replacement at 6.
Eli probably has rejected that proposal. Why would he take it?
Eli instead asks for a 2 year extension at a lower per year value but enough that makes it difficult for Giants to move on next year and therefore making it hard for them to draft a QB at 6.
The Giants probably rejected that proposal. Why would they take it?
The current situation is the Mannings and Giants are in game of chicken., give him his 2 year extension at his cost, Eli plays last year of his deal at current contract or they have to release him.
Mannings are engaged in media relations game to sway public opinion so fans won’t accept that and Giants give in to his extension.
I don’t think Giants like any of the 3options Eli has given them. I think Maras don’t want public backlash of an Eli release. I don’t think Gettleman wants a 2 year extension and I don’t think Giants want to have him play at his current contract.
Perfectly put
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
No they wouldn't. They can cut him before his roster bonus is due and not owe him another penny. If their goal is to move on, what would be the point of a buyout? To have him contractually obligated to not play for anyone else? How does that make any sense?
If it's the draft, I wouldn't expect to see that guy a lot this year, since Shurmur clearly prefers veteran QBs. But by 2020 they would clearly want to put that guy on the field.
So they way I see this is: Eli may be back, but only for one more year. They will go get a QB who is meant to be his successor, and if it's a draftee then that guy will get every chance to start in 2020, maybe competing with Lauletta and a veteran.
I was at the Rose Bowl game yesterday (well, until about the middle of the third quarter, anyway) and in person, I wasn't that impressed with Haskins. He seemed off early and kept missing open receivers. He seemed to get better once he relaxed and he did put some throws in tight windows. As others noted on the game thread, he had so much time to throw it's tough to get a read on him. It was ridiculous how much time he had in the pocket. He could just stand there and survey the field... stand... survey... order pizza... stand... eat the pizza... survey...
There is no team that will give Eli the money and committement he wants. How many teams would be in the market for him?
1- there are free agent options in Foles, Flacco and maybe Bridgewater and potential trade options in Carr and Brissett
2- you have Haskins, LOck and Jones looking like 1st round picks
3- you have Jags, Denver, And Washington in QB market. You could potentially have Tampa, Miami, Cincy and Tennessee. Tampa sounds like they are keeping Winston. Denver is going to another high priced vet when they have Keenum. Washington is likely going the draft route, presumably Miami and Cincy would look Draft as well. Jags and maybe Titans are looking a vet. Maybe, but they have options. Jags could go draft, Titans could go another year on Mariota,
Does Eli really want to put himself out there in that market? What kind of deal is he gonna get?
I honestly think there isn’t much a market for him, if any at all.
They know the media will run with this. Fans react. They hope Maras cave again,
I really don’t see the Mannings subjecting Eli to what I think would be a humiliating free agency experience.
If he is released before the roster bonus, it will still be $6.2M in dead money.
Listen to the GM, HC interview on the radio and Eli interview on the radio today.
Add it up and realize this is it. Giants will have a new QB next year.
Or sick of seeing leads late in game disappear thanks to a defense that is hapless with games on line.
What does that have to do with anything? I think it's just a sign of respect, just like Jeter calling Joe Torre - Mr.Torre for his whole career.
The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.
And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.
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I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
Given the trajectory of that franchise into a moribund, fetid mess, the way Snyder has destroyed the fan base, the front office dysfunction, the uncertainty around the coaching staff, the lack of offensive weapons, Washington is probably the last place Manning would consider going, even for a boatload of money.
I hope for his sake he either retires or allows the Giants to trade him elsewhere. If he's the QB in 2019 he's gonna retire with a sub-.500 career record as a QB. Unbelievable.
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I think the focus should turn towards what teams are going to make sense between them and Eli.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
This crossed my mind. I will be sick.
How many have cap space?
How many places does Eli want to be and have a chance to win?
1) Eli wants to continue to play under his own terms
2) He wants to finish his career here, but again it has to be to his liking in terms of $$$ and the future plans at QB
3) He wants to win
4) He likes where the team is going and sees that this team can be successful in the short term with him here
Other points:
He did really seem down and he generally wasn't as upbeat and positive as he has been in the past.
I think his father and family are counseling on this, and they are pulling him one way, while his gut and his competitive spirit are pulling him another way. His wife may also be pushing for retirement with the 4th child on the way, but that's up for anyone's guess.
I really don't know what to think - part of me says that Gettleman wants him to take a cut so that they can bring in payers and pay them competitively. I also can see them "pushing" him out and forcing him to retire. I think Eli was given some kind of an ultimatum and he's mulling it over now - and wants to think things through and decide which action is best for him and his future.
I hate to say it as the BBI'er was just kidding (likely). But they posted a Redskins jersey with Manning on the back. They have a hole at QB and their OL (when healthy) is very good. He could easily slide into a 1 year deal while Alex recovers (if he recovers). It would absolutely suck to see him in the burgundy/gold.
With AP already there all they need to do is bring in Fitz for his retirement tour and rehire...
Coach George Allen
It feels like both sides know this marriage is over. I thought he could maybe stay another year, but what is the point? Shitty to say but his career here really does feel finished. Weird times for this young fan.
Yup, and they are going to fucking fall for it too.
The $23,000,000 is the cap number. He has received his guarantees, so there is a $6,000,000 or so dead cap hit if he is cut.
And no, I don't think he's ready to retire.
I am not following this and I don’t really pay attention to the cap stuff. I understand the 6 million cap hit if we cut him, but we also would have to pay him 17 million if he plays 2019. If he is cut isn’t that 17 million more cap space?
Eli's had a good run and he's made a ton of money. If he goes somewhere else, I honestly hope he's not making a mistake and picks somewhere that gives him a chance to function and succeed. I'd rather not see him struggle for one last year in another uniform (although I'm certain if I were him I'd rather take in one more year of salary regardless).
Tom Brady has done it for years... if Eli is the guy everyone says he is and loves the organization, which I think he is and he does, he will be back at 12-15MM a year while they groom a replacement. I think that’s the most likely scenario.
It sounded like DG felt the biggest issue this year was the lack of talent on our OL and defense.