Recently we are seeing this rush to say the defense is the reason the Giants are bad.
This is incorrect.
The Giants may have been eliminated by the Titans but the season ended at 1-7.
Shurmur and Eli have been talking about “close” and “competitive” games that we lost by single digits.
Now the defense may have blown the games to both the Colts and the cOwboys, but the truth is the Giants would be 7-9 and out of the playoffs with those wins anyway.
The fact of the matter is
The Giants started 0-2 and the defense allowed 20 pts in both games. The offense managed just 15 pts and 13 pts.
In fact the Giants scored 20 pts or less in 6 of the first 8 games, Hiw many games could possibly be won with those numbers? The season was over at that point.
Furthermore, the Giants suffered 5 single digit losses in this stretch and in 4 of them the opposition scored 20, 20, 23, 20. So was it the defense that caused those losses? Or was it the defense keeping them “close” and “competitive”?
The Giants were eliminated to the extent that they dumped off Eli Apple and Snacks and thus hurting the defense because the season was already over.
On top of it- in the 5 Giants win. The defense got 2 turnovers vs Texans, got 2 turnovers in San Fran, 4 turnovers including a defensive TD vs Tampa, 3 turnovers and a defensive TD vs the Bears, and 3 turnovers and a defensive TD vs the Redskins.
You are looking at multiple turnovers in 4 of the wins and and 3/4 turnovers and defensive TDs in 3 of the wins.
Eli Manning threw under 200 yards in 3 of the wins.
If the Titans game was a “single score game for a long time”as Shurmur said it was because of the defense and not our offense which got shutout.
The Giants this year were bad. The offense was bad and the defense became bad as the season wore in and long after it was over and pieces were removed from the team.
I’m sorry but this was not the story of a great offense being subjected to blown game after blown game by the defense. That may have happened in the last 2 meaningless games but it’s not the story of the season.
28th in causing turnovers
29th In plays per possession allowed.
Ummmm, that’s bad. But OP won’t mention them.
When a team blows offensively, you'll see opposing teams not push it because they know they can stop the other team. Teams tend to be conservative by nature, mostly.
When a team can put up some points, then the issue is forced and the defense can be exposed.
That's where the Giants ended up this year. Exposed on defense........
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In comment 14245086 Britt in VA said:
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and having to sort it all out. It takes time.
No, Britt - Pat Shurmur, an offensive HC, was supposed to fix a talentless/rudderless defense in one year. A defense that was awful one year ago and actually lost more talent than it acquired. Also Pat Shurmur's fault somehow - he's obviously the GM too.
The methodology regarding the way blame gets bizarrely assigned around here is just.... I can't figure it out.
It's the same thing we saw between 2015 and 2016. One historically horrendous defensive unit and one that was top 5 and the strength of the football team... same DC.
Does Ben McAdoo get credit for doing something with the defense that Tom Coughlin wasn't able to or did Jerry Reese go on a shopping spree to add an influx of defensive talent?
10 years of bad drafting. 10 years! And we've only got like 5 players left! Including our last two first round, top ten picks (!) already gone, from the previous regime.
Yet that was supposed to be fixed in a single offseason.
The terrible drafting had a huge aggregate effect on this football team. You cannot have as many empty drafts as we did and expect the team to not show it down the road.
Everyone is tired of watching the Giants lose and finish at the bottom of the division.
I have no idea if Gettleman and Shurmur are the right guys for this. What I do know is that the jobs they undertook were going to need more than one year to complete.
Fans who just expected some sort of magic carpet ride back into relevancy here were kidding themselves.
Not sure why people aren't recognizing that.
What the fuck is the correlation to DG and PS and why should that reflect on them? And also, those same posters use the Browns as a team trending upwards while the Giants are a 5 win team in the doldrums.
Logic isn't really a strong suit - and certainly isn't correlated to the posting frequency of those guys.
Said it on another thread, both guys don't give a crap about how the Giants have done since 2011.
They need to build the team their way............
Still terrible.
Not sure why people aren't recognizing that.
What threads did I start?
This franchise used to have 3 elite rushers who could turn a game. Now they don’t have 1. DG has his work cut out for him this off-season.
Yikes. I knew they were blowing chunks but to see it in black and white like this just blows my mind.
If this doesn't scream the top priority to fix going forward I don't know what would.
We have to find a way to rush the passer. Huge, huge problem this year. We just could not get to QB's late in games.
I think we’re wayyy past the “getting” part.
I was worried about you too.
It’s been a few days that you start a mind numbing dumbass thread that makes no sense.
They need better talent, specifically at LB and S.
Injuries
All after basically eliminated
Get an edge rusher a safety and cb
Will be very strong group
Oh, give me a break...
Virtually everyone disagreeing with the OP is simply saying the defense was terrible too. The idea that they're blameless is batshit.
I'll never understand why it's so hard for people here to see two things at once. It's like you can't take a position on anything unless you're completely unwilling to even consider the other side of it or anything that doesn't fit the same narrative.
We all know the offense needs more work. It doesn't mean the defense didn't suck or contribute to losses. Anyone who believes that obviously didn't watch much of this football team.
The Raiders were the only team that accumulated fewer sacks than NYG did this year. We could not get to QB's in crunch time and it let them march right down the field on us for game-changing scores.
Did the Titans game not happen?
I guess this is what happens when Quinn finally puts together a decent Special Teams unit...
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That is the fact, and that is what Dave G was talking about
Did the Titans game not happen?
Wow 1 bad game in a downpour. The other 7 games to end the year. 30 PPG. Great job as usual numbnuts.
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That is the fact, and that is what Dave G was talking about
Did the Titans game not happen?
It happened. It rained all day, we were without our best WR, and the defense got steamrolled by Derrick Henry all day long.
I guess this is what happens when Quinn finally puts together a decent Special Teams unit...
Okay, finally, that one was actually funny.
You’ve got schtick down, I’ll give you credit for that.
Objectively, you *could* if you choose acknowledge that the defense was putrid while still continuing to carp about the QB. They’re not mutually exclusive perspectives.
You would laugh more if we changed roles...
Did that not happen?
I’d seriously have to wonder how an offense could not score when that is the case?
The truth is that this is simply a bad team right now. We have a superstar RB, a very good diva WR when he stays on the field... and then a group of role players.
The locker room and attitude has been corrected since last year and THAT is what enabled us to win 5 games this year.
This is not on the defense or the offense. The truth is that neither played well enough this year.
Did that not happen?
I’d seriously have to wonder how an offense could not score when that is the case?
You might want to go look at the offensive production in those games...
Maybe it had to do with the 3 turnovers he had? Including the pick 6.
The Giants had a drive in that game that lost yards and still scored points because of the Bears turnover.
They had another drive for a total of 18 yards and got points.
Daniels took 5 sacks and had 4 fumbles. Those kill drives and gave great field position which resulted in points.
The Giants offense had 3 real drives in that game. 75 yds, 60 yds and 49 yards for 17 pts.
The rest were a defensive TD, 18 yard FG drive and a drive for -8 yds for a FG.
There are three certainties in life. Death, taxes, and Les in TO being on the wrong side of right.
For those of you that took his stance prior, now is the time to backtrack...
Yet when the usual suspects start and post a thread like this that is essentially blaming Eli.... those people are mysteriously not here.
Gotta love BBI. Shitty posters, shitty threads.
But the defense needs a fleet enema.
If DG can trade Go Terps, I'd appreciate that too.
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have their major talking point for the off-season - it was the D’s fault, Eli did his part with Air Schurmur.
You’ve got schtick down, I’ll give you credit for that.
Objectively, you *could* if you choose acknowledge that the defense was putrid while still continuing to carp about the QB. They’re not mutually exclusive perspectives.
Well, if you read my first post, you’ll see I acknowledge that both sides of the ball need upgrades.
And the offense played better later in the season, when OBJ was hurt.
Of courses coincidences like that can occur, but it certainly indicates that this team is not exactly what we think it is. It doesn't have a reliable good side.
ANd yet as DG said to start the season -- in other words when he came inhe felt it shouldn't take time--
I copied the below quote from BrettNYG10 on the thread called “Remember When Everyone Said Defer to DG Because He's a GM.”
He posted the following quote that looks like came from DG:
“I've seen someone told one of the reporters that I'm in a tear-down," Gettleman said. at the time "We're not spending $62 million on Nate Solder or signing Patrick Omameh and we're not trading for Alec Ogletree if we're in a tear-down. I'm doing that. We've evaluated the roster. We've developed a plan moving forward. It's about winning now. Who wants to lose? I don't."
The defense did just the opposite....
Giants.com 2.0
You also conveniently forgot to note the defense did well against backup and even third string QBs such as Mark Sanchize.
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the inmates have truly taken over the asylum.
Giants.com 2.0
+100000000000000
Yet when the usual suspects start and post a thread like this that is essentially blaming Eli.... those people are mysteriously not here.
Gotta love BBI. Shitty posters, shitty threads.