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CFP Title game ticket prices plummeting

Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 8:38 am
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Ticket prices on the secondary market for Monday’s college football national title game are cratering – get-in prices hit $150 Tuesday on StubHub and experts say it should continue to drop. By comparison, last year’s get-in price peaked at about $1,700.

“Prices are trending lower than we have ever seen before,” SeatGeek.com’s Chris Leyden told Yahoo Sports. “Demand is down.”

And that’s just part of it. The semifinal games weren’t competitive and delivered comparatively low television ratings.

The system was again clumsy, staging the semifinals on Dec. 29 while continuing to cede prime New Year’s Day slots to lesser games run by private bowls. Things are so rough, even normally staid power brokers are lobbying for an eight-team playoff to shake things up.

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Next years game is in New Orleans  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 9:04 am : link
so if both schools are back in it, that's where I'd rather go.
Well,  
Doomster : 1/3/2019 9:05 am : link
it's good new for the "locals" that want to go to the game....
Region has to play a major part here.  
Dnew15 : 1/3/2019 9:06 am : link
The national title game between Alabama and Clemson was played in Atlanta last year.
The NCAA bears...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 9:08 am : link
a lot of the fault as well. scheduling a game that has been predominantly filled with teams from the East Coast in a location in the Bay Area is ridiculous.

Until some team West of the Mississippi shows a liklihood of making the big game, they shouldn't go further west than Texas.
of course, not a change this year  
bigbluehoya : 1/3/2019 9:08 am : link
but it still baffles me that they do these things on a Monday night.

I get it with the NFL conflicts and stuff, but there are better ways to attract eyeballs and lure would-be travelers.
RE: Region has to play a major part here.  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14245582 Dnew15 said:
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The national title game between Alabama and Clemson was played in Atlanta last year.


Bama vs Georgia but yeah.
Location has a huge impact.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/3/2019 9:09 am : link
Few give a damn about college football in the Bay Area, especially about two teams from south of the Mason Dixon line. CF is such a regional sport. You go to Auburn, Knoxville, Baton Rouge, Columbia, etc. on a fall Saturday & it's a madhouse. I love it though.
RE: I'm not sure this matters at all  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/3/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14245563 crackerjack465 said:
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but do Clemson fans travel well? I know this is not the first time they've been in the NC, but were the past games closer to the Carolinas? Is it a case of Clemson fans (not nearly as big of a historical powerhouse like Alabama) travel?

If this would've been Alabama vs. Ohio State/Notre Dame/Oklahoma, would it have been different?

Not bashing on Clemson - just asking.


Clemson has a fan base, but is very regional and specific only to the southern part of the country in addition to being a state school. Florida State has a bigger base than they do, and they didn't even fly out to the Rose Bowl when they played Oregon and were defending champions a few years ago.

Asking folks to fly to Dallas for a weekend, spend good money on a flight, ticket and lodging, come back, and then a week later, ask those same people to fly out even further, to the Bay Area (where its at least double, if not triple the price you just paid) is a huge problem.

I know college had to put some games out West as a bone to the Pac 12 to make it where every conference is getting something, but this was doomed from the start if you were going to get two deep southern teams in that game.

There are enough people who went to Notre Dame/Big 10 schools that are spread out all over the country, so they can fly to any area if the situation called for it.

In this case, there are simply not enough alums/fans of both of these schools that are going to make that trip. When the game was a novelty in 2015 in Arizona, it was fine. 2016 was in Tampa and 2017 was in New Orleans. Easy to do for both sides. San Francisco? No way.

RE: The NCAA bears...  
section125 : 1/3/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14245584 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of the fault as well. scheduling a game that has been predominantly filled with teams from the East Coast in a location in the Bay Area is ridiculous.

Until some team West of the Mississippi shows a liklihood of making the big game, they shouldn't go further west than Texas.


FMiC, it is all because the big Bowls had to be placated to go with the system. They have to rotate the game. NCAA cannot just pick a location and plant the game there; well they could and the Big Bowls would complain.
RE: of course, not a change this year  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/3/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14245585 bigbluehoya said:
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but it still baffles me that they do these things on a Monday night.

I get it with the NFL conflicts and stuff, but there are better ways to attract eyeballs and lure would-be travelers.


What day should they do it? These Bowls are steadfast on when they will play (Rose and Sugar) and at what time and have never moved off it ever.

A called on Sirius suggested they play the semifinals on Christmas Day and then the championship on New Year's Day. This actually makes sense. But then you get into the whole thing about playing on Christmas Day and how it is more sacred for some than others, so that almost becomes a non starter in many locales.
Seems like bullshit  
widmerseyebrow : 1/3/2019 9:46 am : link
My buddy is a huge Bama fan and I sent him that article yesterday. He said he didn't see anything for less than 1,300.
I understand..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 9:52 am : link
that they have to placate the Big Bowls, but this is the situation that results from it.

In a best case scenario, you get a Pac-12 team in the mix for a spot in November.

Until the power shifts away from the SEC - there will likely be a huge East Coast representation.
RE: I understand..  
section125 : 1/3/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14245682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that they have to placate the Big Bowls, but this is the situation that results from it.

In a best case scenario, you get a Pac-12 team in the mix for a spot in November.

Until the power shifts away from the SEC - there will likely be a huge East Coast representation.


Yeah, I knew you knew. PAC 12 will never match the SEC or maybe even the ACC or Big 10.

It is a result of a half-assed Div 1 playoff system. It has to be expanded to 8 teams.
RE: Seems like bullshit  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/3/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14245669 widmerseyebrow said:
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My buddy is a huge Bama fan and I sent him that article yesterday. He said he didn't see anything for less than 1,300.


Is he using Stubhub? The prices are right there.
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I just looked on Stubhub and I can get in for 130 dollars  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 10:09 am : link
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It's the perfect storm  
MookGiants : 1/3/2019 10:12 am : link
for prices to plummet.

9 day turnaround from the previous game. Cross country flight booked last minute is going to cost a small fortune. It's hard to plan a trip that long with only 8 days notice.

Location is on the other side of the country for both teams.

Both teams have played in multiple title games recently, and against each other again. It's not a must attend event for Bama/Clemson fans, this is a regular thing for them so they can just wait until the next one

RE: RE: The NCAA bears...  
MookGiants : 1/3/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14245651 section125 said:
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In comment 14245584 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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a lot of the fault as well. scheduling a game that has been predominantly filled with teams from the East Coast in a location in the Bay Area is ridiculous.

Until some team West of the Mississippi shows a liklihood of making the big game, they shouldn't go further west than Texas.



FMiC, it is all because the big Bowls had to be placated to go with the system. They have to rotate the game. NCAA cannot just pick a location and plant the game there; well they could and the Big Bowls would complain.


The problem with this statement is that the Bay Area was not a site for any of the big bowls ever. Levi's stadium will never host a semifinal because they have no bowl tie in whatsoever, they can only host the title game.

So this has nothing to do with placating the bay area because of the big bowl game tie ins.
Why does  
MookGiants : 1/3/2019 10:18 am : link
the playoff system have to be expanded to 8 teams?

I could see an argument for 6 teams, but more then that and you risk watering down the regular season. College footballs regular season is what makes the sport so great.

This year you didn't even need a playoff system. The old BCS system would have worked just fine this year, you'd have the same matchup in the title game as you do now
And not for anything but Levi's Stadium looks like a dump  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 10:20 am : link
It is probably nicer in person, but looks like crap on TV in my opinion.
And piggy-backing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 10:21 am : link
off of this:

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The problem with this statement is that the Bay Area was not a site for any of the big bowls ever. Levi's stadium will never host a semifinal because they have no bowl tie in whatsoever, they can only host the title game.

So this has nothing to do with placating the bay area because of the big bowl game tie ins.


The Bay Area might as well be the College Football void. Outside of stanford, which team anywhere close to there is even a possibility?

Even in Pasadena, you'd have travel issues, but the draw would be better. Are there even college ties in the Bay Area? It is a very aloof location.
RE: And piggy-backing..  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14245764 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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off of this:



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The problem with this statement is that the Bay Area was not a site for any of the big bowls ever. Levi's stadium will never host a semifinal because they have no bowl tie in whatsoever, they can only host the title game.

So this has nothing to do with placating the bay area because of the big bowl game tie ins.



The Bay Area might as well be the College Football void. Outside of stanford, which team anywhere close to there is even a possibility?

Even in Pasadena, you'd have travel issues, but the draw would be better. Are there even college ties in the Bay Area? It is a very aloof location.


outside of Cal and Stanford, none.
Cal..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 10:25 am : link
doesn't have a legitimate shot at anything.

Let's be honest. They've never even sniffed a major bowl really.
RE: Cal..  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14245775 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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doesn't have a legitimate shot at anything.

Let's be honest. They've never even sniffed a major bowl really.


Oh I know...i think back in 07 they were ranked as high as 5 but that is about it. Most people in the Bay Area simply do not care about college sports.
RE: I'm not sure this matters at all  
KeoweeFan : 1/3/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14245563 crackerjack465 said:
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but do Clemson fans travel well? I know this is not the first time they've been in the NC, but were the past games closer to the Carolinas? Is it a case of Clemson fans (not nearly as big of a historical powerhouse like Alabama) travel?

If this would've been Alabama vs. Ohio State/Notre Dame/Oklahoma, would it have been different?
Not bashing on Clemson - just asking.



The article I read this AM from Greenville SC reported a "silver lining" for Clemson fans since they will outnumber Alabama fans 54% to 46% (so far).
I'm sure people from Alabama and South Carolina are dying to go  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/3/2019 10:56 am : link
to San Francisco. Given the cultural divide in this country, I couldn't think of a city less appealing to travel to from those states. And then factor in the costs and logistics of getting there.
RE: I'm sure people from Alabama and South Carolina are dying to go  
Joey in VA : 1/3/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14245838 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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to San Francisco. Given the cultural divide in this country, I couldn't think of a city less appealing to travel to from those states. And then factor in the costs and logistics of getting there.
I was just going to add this, there is an air of disdain for the state alone in the deep south, much less the city that pays its employees for gender reassignment. For much of the deep south, CA is everything wrong with the country and you'd have to drag them there against there will to go there.
It's the same yeams over and over.  
since1925 : 1/3/2019 11:08 am : link
Make the playoff eight teams, give someone new a shot. Add some spice and an occasional Cinderella.
RE: It's the same yeams over and over.  
HomerJones45 : 1/3/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14245862 since1925 said:
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Make the playoff eight teams, give someone new a shot. Add some spice and an occasional Cinderella.
Until the NCAA gets dead serious about enforcing the amateur rules for football, you will continue to see the same teams. There is no parity in college football and there is no level playing field which makes the whole "playoff system" stupid. Once Auburn and Cam Newton got away with it, Alabama opened the flood gates. William "Dabo" Sweeney is an Alabama native, an Alabama alum and got his coaching start in Alabama. It's not a coincidence Clemson and Alabama have played 3 of the last 4 years for the supposed National Title game. The one year they didn't, they played in the semis.

Anyone looking forward to next year's Alabama-Clemson "National Title" game?

And let's stop the nonsense about "placating" the bowl games. They didn't placate anyone. It was about co-opting the competition. What no one wanted, even the bowls, was some bowl game putting up the money to buy a matchup between #1 and #2 and then cutting a deal for tv rights without the NCAA.
First the 2 team championship game and then the 4 team playoff  
Matt M. : 1/3/2019 11:32 am : link
have actually had the opposite affect than what was desired. As pointed out, they simply making all the other bowl games more meaningless other than diehard fans of those schools, scouts, and fans who really like watching for prospects. It really points to the need of an expanded playoff system.
RE: RE: I understand..  
MetsAreBack : 1/3/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14245692 section125 said:
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It is a result of a half-assed Div 1 playoff system. It has to be expanded to 8 teams.


Unless you feel that a Pac-12 team would have somehow won its first two games to get into a national title game (and doubt a Pac-12 team would have made the field of 8 anyway), I have no idea what your point is. The championship game is being played in SF... which doesnt even have a major bowl... its ludicrous.

Also dont understand the point of the article saying you can get in for $130 vs last year's "peak" price of 1700. So, we're comparing this year's cheapest ticket to last year's most expensive ticket... that makes sense... never? But yes, the trend is down... i just think the melo-drama and 1st grade analytics by the writer is pathetic.

The economy is probably also playing a part here. The stock market continues to get fucking crushed.
RE: I'm sure people from Alabama and South Carolina are dying to go  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/3/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14245838 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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to San Francisco. Given the cultural divide in this country, I couldn't think of a city less appealing to travel to from those states. And then factor in the costs and logistics of getting there.


LOL. Good point.
RE: RE: I'm sure people from Alabama and South Carolina are dying to go  
Jints in Carolina : 1/3/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14245919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14245838 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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to San Francisco. Given the cultural divide in this country, I couldn't think of a city less appealing to travel to from those states. And then factor in the costs and logistics of getting there.



LOL. Good point.


When I first read that post, I rolled my eyes, but it really is a fair point.
I'm not sure what Paul is trying to get at  
MetsAreBack : 1/3/2019 11:45 am : link
but obviously this has to do with expenses... not with refusing to go to SF because of their politics. Obviously. JFC.
RE: I'm not sure what Paul is trying to get at  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/3/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14245930 MetsAreBack said:
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but obviously this has to do with expenses... not with refusing to go to SF because of their politics. Obviously. JFC.


I actually don't think it's a bad point at all. It's probably not the sole point, but it might factor in for some. Like do you think I'm dying to go to Starkville, MS for example? Uh, no.
if the game were in Atlanta, Tampa, or New Orleans....  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 11:50 am : link
...then there would be no story. I don't know who decided that the Bay Area was a great place for a college football championship game, but whoever it was should be fired.
Well since there's nothing to do there...  
MetsAreBack : 1/3/2019 11:53 am : link
and no title game to be played... makes sense.

Here, fans have the oppty to see their teams try to win a title (and these are the only teams these states have..... and in any college sport that i know of too)

I just think these fan bases have 'been there, done that' already as Mook says above, and dont want to spend the time and $$ money to travel cross country.

To insinuate political overtones too strikes me as a major reach, and the 'cultural divide in country' thing was unnecessary to say.
I know that  
Pete in MD : 1/3/2019 11:53 am : link
the venue is decided many years in advance but Atlanta would have perfect for this game. They have a shiny new stadium that is pretty much right between both campuses.
Obviously expenses are the number one factor  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/3/2019 12:07 pm : link
but the location, I imagine, is also a turn off for many.

There is a cultural divide in this country. My post wasn't to make a value judgment on one place or another. But San Francisco is held up as perhaps the paradigm/bogeyman/epitome of one of the cultural ways of life in this country. It's often held up as everything right or everything wrong with this country. I would guess that the latter opinion is the more popular opinion found among Alabama and Clemson fans.

So with expenses and distance associated with flying out and stayin in San Francisco as it is, I can imagine a tipping point among many fans being "Do I really want to spend all this money to go THERE?"
Of course money is a consideration  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 12:10 pm : link
Look at it this way - to people in the Northeast, particularly the NYC metro area, $50,000 income is peanuts. You're poor if you make $50,000. That's not the case in most of the country. You're rather comfortably middle class at $50K in, say, Mobile AL or Greenville SC, living at a level comparable to someone who makes $100K and up in NY. However, there's no COLA being applied to things like airfare, hotels, and tickets. So, let's say that the total cost of a trip to this game is $2500. That's five percent of your annual pre-tax income. If you're single, OK, but if you have kids that's going to be tough to justify.
and again  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/3/2019 12:19 pm : link
I didn't think I was saying anything political or offensive to anyone on here.

But perhaps I can clean up my comment: My guess is that for all of the Alabama and Clemson fans who were on the fence about making the investment to go to the game, San Francisco as a location would factor as more of a reason not to go than a reason to go.
Paul  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 12:22 pm : link
My politics are generally the opposite of yours, and as someone who lived in Alabama for a while (and ten minutes from the Bama-Florida state line for longer), I saw nothing wrong with your comment. Most people there do indeed dislike California in general and the SF Bay in particular, and it would be perfectly logical for that to play a role in a decision not to attend the game.
RE: I'm sure people from Alabama and South Carolina are dying to go  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14245838 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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to San Francisco. Given the cultural divide in this country, I couldn't think of a city less appealing to travel to from those states. And then factor in the costs and logistics of getting there.


Small sample but I was in Fort Myers for four days last week for my son's Perfect Game baseball event. I met several parents from Alabama and talked football.

A few mentioned that they had gone to the national championship game in the past. They gave this year's trip some thought but were turned off by the costs and timing (Jan 7th, being back at work, etc).

I actually mentioned San Fran and what a different city is is culturally. All of them said it would be a cool city to visit. Politics never came up.

The idea..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 12:44 pm : link
that a bunch of racist yahoos are at Alabama and Clemson or that make up their fan base is pretty insulting.

I've tailgated with an entire group who nixed the idea of going to the National Championship weeks ago and all of the factors were financially or timing based. Not once has politics been brought up and a few people actually said they'd love to go to SF if it weren't on the heels of going to Dallas and right after the holidays when they don't have time to take off.

I think part of the divide in this country is that a lot of assumptions are made on how people feel that don't necessarily have a basis in reality or are overblown. I'm fairly confident the number of people who wouldn't travel to SF strictly for politics is really small. And those who have it as a 2nd or 3rd reason isn't much larger.

It probably says more about those who think that's the mindset than the actual mindset in the South.

Honest question - if the National championship game is being held in Tuscaloosa and you are a fan of stanford, you really wouldn't travel there because it is in the Deep South? Or does it only pertain to uneducated hicks?
FMIC  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/3/2019 1:58 pm : link
I wasn't calling anyone racist yahoos, or hicks, or anything like that. But the appeal of the destination plays a role in the desire for people to spend money to go there. And San Francisco gets portrayed as a polarizing city. So, I think for reasons other than cost/logistics, it has additional negative appeal.

And I think if there were a championship game in Alabama between say, Stanford and Rutgers, who have appeared in multiple recent championships, that Alabama as a destination (ignoring its college football status), for reasons other than cost/logistics, would have a net negative appeal.
I really wonder  
BigBlueCane : 1/3/2019 2:06 pm : link
why people think expanding the playoffs w/o reigning in the retarded amount of money being spent by these programs, is a good idea since you'll just more of the same.
Paul..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 2:43 pm : link
I would think the fans who are thinking of whether or not to travel to a destination to watch their team play is going to do it because of attraction to the team, not some social fallout. It would be like saying people wouldn't go to Detroit, or even the Meadowlands for that matter because of their proximity to violent cities.

If you are a fan of the team you are going to weigh the trip from a monetary and time investment standpoint. Any other factor is going to be way down the list, if it comes into play at all.

That's what I mean by over-blowing the divide in this country. It exists on certain levels, but unlikely when it comes to sports, especially when weighing whether or not to go to a Championship game.
if you're 50/50 on going, it could tip your decision  
Greg from LI : 1/3/2019 2:48 pm : link
There's no one cause - some of it is having two playoff games to go to. Some of it is that the same team is playing in those games - Alabama fans are fanatics, but two playoff games a year for four straight years is going to have a breaking point for all but wealthy fans.
I would think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 2:52 pm : link
the sheer distance would tip the scales. Would Seattle draw people better? Highly unlikely.

Off topic here, but the Clemson team went to California directly from Dallas which means they won't have been home for 10 days. Alabama was on more of a normal schedule this week.
RE: Fans probably getting bored  
UConn4523 : 1/3/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14245558 ZogZerg said:
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it is the same 2 teams just about every year.
Fan base probably not as excited as they were.
Add that to the cost of flights/hotel/etc. and not really a surprise.


Definitely not due to boredom. It sounds purely economical to me.
My views are definitely left  
10thAve : 1/3/2019 3:12 pm : link
And I’d have no problem going to a city on the opposite side of the spectrum to view my team in a championship game. I’m a Rutgers fan so that will never happen - Paul’s example above is about as close as Rutgers will ever come to a title game.

I honestly think this is due to the sheer distance of the game and travel expenses, and I do think there’s some Alabama-Clemson fatigue as well.
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