A quarterback question?

sucks donkey balls.

And wouldn't give up a second. If Manning left, and they needed a QB for one year, he'd be ok given the success he had with Shurmur. Beyond that, no.

for Case Keenum?

Ho Lee Fuck

No thanks

really a Quarterback question, or a specific ask about Keenum?

And is it really a question or just some ramblings about Shurmur and Keenum working together in the past?

Case Keenum signed a 2 year, 36 million dollar contract (25 guaranteed) with Denver.

Might as well let Lauletta take over for 1/25th the price.

to put it lightly. But cutting Eli's biggish bucks to add Keenum for biggish bucks is a pretty gross idea.

I have to imagine that a certain number of these threads are started for the pure purpose of inciting the Eli squad, but it sure can be hard to separate the honest bad threads from the intentionally incendiary ones.

Lauletta than Case K

on this.
But I will tell you this - I think that Case K and Eli have about the same percentage chance of leading the Giants to playoffs next year - 0%.
That's the same chance that Kyle L has as well, at least he is ... what ... 1/50th of the price?

He ain’t it!

that it would succeed with a guy like Keenum?

If they had built up a strong defense, a decent OL and still managed to retain Barkley and Beckham, then maybe. Expecting Keenum to carry you to anything just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

In comment 14245731 Dnew15 said:

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on this. But I will tell you this - I think that Case K and Eli have about the same percentage chance of leading the Giants to playoffs next year - 0%. That's the same chance that Kyle L has as well, at least he is ... what ... 1/50th of the price?

Eli has 0% chance ...

You did watch this season, yes? Where one of the worst defensive squads in the league allowed how many late scores to lose? Four?

I'm an Eli realist. But the guy wasn't bad this season, all things considered. The defense was the biggest issue, after the early O-line atrocities. Both of those things played directly against the perception of Eli's success.

I wonder how Eli Manning's stats look if the team finished 9-7, which was just a few plays away.

just like I'm sure you have.
But to call yourself an Eli realist and know for a fact that an Eli Manning lead New York Giants have a realistic shot at making the playoffs next year is not realistic.
The O-line AND the defense will not be fixed next season. It will take a superhuman effort by another level QB to lead a NYG team in a modified version of what they have this year to the playoffs. Eli can't do that anymore - I'm sorry. 2011 Eli - sure. Not the 39 year old one that will QB next year.

I dont like him at all. he seems like a one track minded QB. like he's working off a script. If this is the play called, I will only throw it to X receiver. no matter how many WRs got traded or got injured, i'm just gonna throw it to the 5th string replacement...

for a year, he wouldn't a terrible option if the Bronco's cut him loose (they probably won't)

Shumur has shown he can get moderately decent play out of Keenum.

behind the Ginats crap oline? Please stop the insanity!

He had a flash of success under Shurmur last year, but I think there are better veteran options out there in the event Eli does not return. I would be happy to have Foles come in for 2 years, who had his best year under Shurmur in Philly. I would even prefer picking up Bortles who will undoubtedly get the ax from Jacksonville. Not a popular opinion, but I don't think he is as bad as people think.

That all said, I believe Eli will be back and this will all be meaningless talk.

they put Beckham at QB. He has a lifetime perfect completion percentage.

Keenum, Files, Tyrod, Bridgewater, none of these dudes are better than Eli. Even Eli at this stage.

But if Eli retires they'll go to a vet.

In comment 14245698 Britt in VA said:

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Case Keenum signed a 2 year, 36 million dollar contract (25 guaranteed) with Denver.

Holy cr@p. Lower end of vet starter money, but that's still a lot of cash for Keenum.

In comment 14246220 Boy Cord said:

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In comment 14245698 Britt in VA said: Quote: Case Keenum signed a 2 year, 36 million dollar contract (25 guaranteed) with Denver. Holy cr@p. Lower end of vet starter money, but that's still a lot of cash for Keenum.

And that's one of the major reasons I say it makes more sense to just keep Eli and draft his replacement, rather than cut Eli, because his dead money plus the amount of salary for the new placeholder vet will probably equal or exceed just keeping Eli.

So would you take the step down from Eli to Keenum for a similar, or bigger, cap hit?

The current starters that may be available: Flacco, Foles, Keenum, and the like...these guys are not preferable options to going with Lauletta as the starter.

The Giants should cut Eli. It's time.

I know many say that there aren't a lot of QB options out there, but that's not true. I see 3 viable ways to start 2019:

1. Lauletta is the starter
2. Draft a QB and make him the starter
3. Acquire a backup QB currently on another roster that is making less than $1M. These guys are all over the league. Here are some names to start:

Jacoby Brissett
Kyle Sloter
DeShone Kizer
Mason Rudolph
Josh Dobbs
Jeff Driskel
Taysom Hill
Nick Mullens

The point is, there are many options. It's just going to require some creativity and the front office getting out of its comfort zone for once.

In comment 14246310 Go Terps said:

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The current starters that may be available: Flacco, Foles, Keenum, and the like...these guys are not preferable options to going with Lauletta as the starter. The Giants should cut Eli. It's time. I know many say that there aren't a lot of QB options out there, but that's not true. I see 3 viable ways to start 2019: 1. Lauletta is the starter 2. Draft a QB and make him the starter 3. Acquire a backup QB currently on another roster that is making less than $1M. These guys are all over the league. Here are some names to start: Jacoby Brissett Kyle Sloter DeShone Kizer Mason Rudolph Josh Dobbs Jeff Driskel Taysom Hill Nick Mullens The point is, there are many options. It's just going to require some creativity and the front office getting out of its comfort zone for once.

I agree and would lean toward #3 and then #2. I don't see the point to drafting a QB in round 1 who is deemed less of a prospect than the guys last year. You might as well just start a current backup (including Lauletta) this year.

You sign someone to take his place, how much is it going to cost? More than 17M? Less than 17M? How many years?

In comment 14245798 Beezer said:

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In comment 14245731 Dnew15 said: Quote: on this. But I will tell you this - I think that Case K and Eli have about the same percentage chance of leading the Giants to playoffs next year - 0%. That's the same chance that Kyle L has as well, at least he is ... what ... 1/50th of the price? Eli has 0% chance ... You did watch this season, yes? Where one of the worst defensive squads in the league allowed how many late scores to lose? Four? I'm an Eli realist. But the guy wasn't bad this season, all things considered. The defense was the biggest issue, after the early O-line atrocities. Both of those things played directly against the perception of Eli's success. I wonder how Eli Manning's stats look if the team finished 9-7, which was just a few plays away.

Can I have what you're smoking? I'm not talking about ELi-- I'm talking about the "which was just a few plays away" bullshit.

Some of you - your homerism knows no bounds. WHat about all the games they went against a 2nd string QB? That doesn't count, right? Yeah we would have beaten the Bears with their #1 QB.

Just think all those years when we were real good we'd play a sub-.44 team and win a tight game we'd say that we played down to the competition. SO now when we stink and lose a tough game it's not that the other team played down to us - so says our unbias fello Giants fans-- it's "we were just as good as them"nonsense.

**Next year with great moves and a crummy schedule anything can happen. But let's not pretend that this rotten team was just a few plays a way. They were FOUR GAMES away.

In comment 14246222 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14246220 Boy Cord said: Quote: In comment 14245698 Britt in VA said: Quote: Case Keenum signed a 2 year, 36 million dollar contract (25 guaranteed) with Denver. Holy cr@p. Lower end of vet starter money, but that's still a lot of cash for Keenum. And that's one of the major reasons I say it makes more sense to just keep Eli and draft his replacement, rather than cut Eli, because his dead money plus the amount of salary for the new placeholder vet will probably equal or exceed just keeping Eli. So would you take the step down from Eli to Keenum for a similar, or bigger, cap hit?

What about
Trevor Siemian?

know how this is gonna play out, but I'd like to see Eli finish out his career with the Giants. Just keep adding pieces.

In comment 14246310 Go Terps said:

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The current starters that may be available: Flacco, Foles, Keenum, and the like...these guys are not preferable options to going with Lauletta as the starter. The Giants should cut Eli. It's time. I know many say that there aren't a lot of QB options out there, but that's not true. I see 3 viable ways to start 2019: 1. Lauletta is the starter 2. Draft a QB and make him the starter 3. Acquire a backup QB currently on another roster that is making less than $1M. These guys are all over the league. Here are some names to start: Jacoby Brissett Kyle Sloter DeShone Kizer Mason Rudolph Josh Dobbs Jeff Driskel Taysom Hill Nick Mullens The point is, there are many options. It's just going to require some creativity and the front office getting out of its comfort zone for once.

Agreed. That $17M saved by cutting Eli can be used for FA.