Giants GM doesn’t see a future for Eli Manning: ex-teammate

I wouldn't think it would be Honorary Mara Mark Herzlich.

shit

any of you, that's for sure.

Herzlich was the best they could find to offer insight into the statement? How random. I love how they justify it —he should know because he was let go by the GM too, lol.

but let's hope he's right

the lucre pulling him away from the high road.

Giants fans are split on Eli for next season, so whatever DG decides, it will creat an uproar among one side or another.

I think he already knows what he is going to do, and all that stuff about having to watch tape, is just due diligence

from the presser just like a lot of people here. Just because he's a former teammate doesn't give his opinion any more validity.

However, when asked about Beckham, Gettleman said, "We didn't sign him to trade him." When asked about Eli he said, "We're going to do what is best for the Giants."

So, I can see where Herzlich's opinion has some merit. He was definite that they were keeping Beckham, but gave a "we'll see" when asked about Eli. If you're a parent you know that 9 times out of 10 we'll see means no.

That almost sounds made up.

What does Chase Blackburn think about it?

is dead wrong.

It only matters what Gettleman's plan is. Let go of Eli. Fine. Who do you have to replace him with. Keep Eli. Fine. Who are you getting to support him. And even if he does keep Eli he's 38 so "seeing a future for him" is a relative term in any case.

In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said:

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any of you, that's for sure.

Exactly.

That's the way it works on BBI.

When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source.

some people are reading too much into it. Beckham is in his prime and just signed a 5 year extension. Eli is at the end of his career and has one year left on his contract. DG's answers made complete sense. The Beckham decision was made when they re-signed him. The Eli decision is TBD.

Well if by future he means 2-3 or more years, we all knew that already, no?

knows.

He was on the team for way longer that he should have been as well.

In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source.

Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation?

is guessing at what Gettleman meant at his press conference?

Can someone remind me why that is in the least bit newsworthy? Herzlich was cut by Gettleman. It's not like he's his close friend or right hand man. He's just a guy that used to play for the Giants.

who has one year left on his contract and plays behind a porous OL?
Maybe he finishes out his contract if no FA look like an improvement (better than even odds), but no more after 19. We've got to move on.

when an ex-NFL player swore up and down that Belichick was headed to the Giants?

has no special insight. He's on a radio show to give his opinion. Fine, but that's all it is.

lack of "committing" one way or another to me meant 100% that the decision is in Eli's hands. To me its evident that were either seeing a "We'll take you back at a reduced rate" and waiting on whether Eli will accept that pay decrease or we're waiting on the fact that Gettleman told Eli there's a good chance we still are not very good next year and Eli is deciding on whether or not he wants to play another year on a potentially losing team. One thing you can say about Gettleman is that he doesn't lack decisiveness. If everything was in his hands right now we would already know the outcome. If he made up his mind that he doesn't see Eli as the Giants QB anymore I think we would have already heard it.

In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source.

A jeezus...as if people don't equally know that, likewise, *any* statement which validates your pre-existing viewpoint is from an authoritative source.

In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation?

Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year.

In comment 14246124 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation? Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year.

Not true?

Which football team was Dave Gettleman GM of that Mark Herzlich actually played for? All Gettleman did was cut him here. Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't.

if that wasn’t true. Why would Herzlich bother saying something like that unless that is what he heard? It may not be known now but it seems like everyone will know if that’s the case in time.

In comment 14246131 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14246124 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation? Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year. Not true? Which football team was Dave Gettleman GM of that Mark Herzlich actually played for? All Gettleman did was cut him here. Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't.

Well he signed him and cut him and there was a 6 month window in between those two.

I dont know what their relationship was in those 6 months, do you?

In comment 14246138 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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In comment 14246131 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246124 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation? Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year. Not true? Which football team was Dave Gettleman GM of that Mark Herzlich actually played for? All Gettleman did was cut him here. Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't. Well he signed him and cut him and there was a 6 month window in between those two. I dont know what their relationship was in those 6 months, do you?

Seeing as Gettleman was busy dealing with cancer treatment at the time and we're discussing a crappy back end roster piece who didn't even make the team and wasn't picked up anywhere else... I'm going to go ahead and assume that the two of them didn't spend any time discussing Eli Manning's future or really anything regarding Gettleman's plans as GM.

That doesn’t mean he’d announce it. He could have informed Eli they will not be bringing him back but give him the option of retiring first, if he chooses to go that route. It’s not so simple.

I don’t think he’s made a decision. He may be evaluating the QB prospects now. He may have preliminary grades on them, but watching more tape may cause him to fall in love with one.

We aren’t picking at 1 or 2 this year, because if we were it would be a slam dunk we’d be taking Bosa or Quinnen Williams.

I think he'd like to pass Johnny Unitas on the all-time wins list, which requires only two more wins, and perhaps reach 125. But a terrible season could give him a losing career record (he's 116-106) which would hurt his chances for the HOF. Right now, I think he's trying to figure out how much passion he still has. I think he stays, and we find his replacement this off-season.

I seriously doubt that Gettlemen would share something like this with Hertzlich or anyone other than Management right now; and it is disingenuous of Hertzlich to imply that he knows this

But I could swear Herzlich was on good terms and friends with Eli. I had thought he was involved in some of Eli’s charitable efforts locally.

How else can one explain his lengthy tenure with the Giants, it certainly wasn't based on ability.

I take anything he says as coming directly from the owners box.

Herzlich is Eli's best friend and Eli told him what was said in the private meeting with Gettleman, do you think Eli would be cool with Herzlich gabbing about it a few days later with Taz and Moose?

In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source.

hehe...was thinking the same thing!

In comment 14246140 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14246138 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246131 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246124 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation? Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year. Not true? Which football team was Dave Gettleman GM of that Mark Herzlich actually played for? All Gettleman did was cut him here. Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't. Well he signed him and cut him and there was a 6 month window in between those two. I dont know what their relationship was in those 6 months, do you? Seeing as Gettleman was busy dealing with cancer treatment at the time and we're discussing a crappy back end roster piece who didn't even make the team and wasn't picked up anywhere else... I'm going to go ahead and assume that the two of them didn't spend any time discussing Eli Manning's future or really anything regarding Gettleman's plans as GM.

Didn't you spend literally all day yesterday trying to chastise me for putting forth opinion as fact (when I wasn't even doing that)? It's just funny that you know what information Herzlich has now for a fact and that it is nothing more than you or I have.

Interesting twist of fate when the shoe is on the other foot.

Carry on and have a blessed day.

Until Moses Regular or Jonas Seawright weigh in thank you very much.

In comment 14246175 Joey in VA said:

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Until Moses Regular or Jonas Seawright weigh in thank you very much.

It's not true unless Anthony Mix gives his opinion to Chris Canty about this.

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That almost sounds made up.

That's such a hacky name for a radio show

In comment 14246172 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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In comment 14246140 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246138 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246131 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246124 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 14246095 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14246053 Ryan in Albany said: Quote: any of you, that's for sure. Exactly. That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source. Why does Herzlich know more than we do? He's never played for a team that Dave Gettleman was GM of and I can't imagine he has any relationship with him. Why would he have any idea how he's going to handle the Eli situation? Actually not true. Herzlich was signed by Gettleman in March and was part of the September final cuts this year. Not true? Which football team was Dave Gettleman GM of that Mark Herzlich actually played for? All Gettleman did was cut him here. Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't. Well he signed him and cut him and there was a 6 month window in between those two. I dont know what their relationship was in those 6 months, do you? Seeing as Gettleman was busy dealing with cancer treatment at the time and we're discussing a crappy back end roster piece who didn't even make the team and wasn't picked up anywhere else... I'm going to go ahead and assume that the two of them didn't spend any time discussing Eli Manning's future or really anything regarding Gettleman's plans as GM. Didn't you spend literally all day yesterday trying to chastise me for putting forth opinion as fact (when I wasn't even doing that)? It's just funny that you know what information Herzlich has now for a fact and that it is nothing more than you or I have. Interesting twist of fate when the shoe is on the other foot. Carry on and have a blessed day.

And with that - it remains clear that you still haven't figured out the difference between opinion and fact.

I said I am going to assume that Dave Gettleman was not spending time discussing the future of his franchise QB with a camp body who was never going to even make the team. I think it's a more logical assumption to make than the contrary. I didn't say anything was factual. I'm telling you what I think. Incredible that you're still struggling with such a basic concept.

I tried to not be a dick to you yesterday, but you make it really really hard. You're an extremely irritating person to try discussing virtually anything with.

Have a blessed day, dipshit.

He's just a troll.

If I wanted to frame my opinion as a fact, I'd say...

"Dave Gettleman did not discuss anything regarding Eli Manning with Mark Herzlich"

or, like you did yesterday, say...

"Odell Beckham doesn't care about the Giants"

Those are opinions stated as facts. Saying I am assuming something is me telling you that it's my opinion.

Let me know when this makes sense to you. I feel like I'm trying to speak to a child.

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He's just a troll.

I can't decide which is more pathetic. Actually not understanding the difference, or being so bored to troll a message board over a premise like this. Either way, it's no surprise that everyone who interacts with this guy has the same general reaction.

He does a sports talk radio show? What the hell?

That's one hell of a reference, McNally.

this guy would have any real insight. But, that doesn't mean he is wrong. This is the end of the road for Eli in blue.

If they wanted him to QB next year why the delay? What is there to analyze and decide?

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That's one hell of a reference, McNally.

I lurked for years before joining this site!

I know my pre-season picks for MVP.

I also remember when Herzlich, Jaquian Williams and Spencer Paysinger were THE FUTURE at linebacker.

In comment 14246187 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14246184 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: He's just a troll. I can't decide which is more pathetic. Actually not understanding the difference, or being so bored to troll a message board over a premise like this. Either way, it's no surprise that everyone who interacts with this guy has the same general reaction.

It is just ironic that is all. Before I called it to your attention your comment was:

"Herzlich played zero downs and there's no reason why he would be privy to any information that others wouldn't."

I don't see where you say that you "assume" that he has no reason.....or "I believe that there is no reason"

What is good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander that's all.

I actually don't think there is anything wrong with what you wrote. It is a message board it is obviously your opinion. Unless you are secretly Mark Herzlich or Dave Gettleman you can't know any of this as fact. Hence the point I was making yesterday- we all have our opinions. Yours is fine just like mine and I respect it.

Carry on.

of dumb on its surface. Eli is 38...of course there is no "future" for him. 1 year? Perhaps. Future? No...and everyone knows that.

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He does a sports talk radio show? What the hell?

He does, he's been in radio for quite some time, working his way up at a glacial pace.

Apparently the guy is a real douchebag in person.

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Until Moses Regular or Jonas Seawright weigh in thank you very much.

I'll wait for Bryan "I shave my chest" Kehl and his pink popped collars to log on and give us the scoop.

Some commentator makes a statement they don’t like

Immediately attack him as a jerk. Lol

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I wouldn't think it would be Honorary Mara Mark Herzlich.

Post of the year!’ Love herz and what he overcame but man to man that dude did not belong in the nfl

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In comment 14246050 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: I wouldn't think it would be Honorary Mara Mark Herzlich. Post of the year!’ Love herz and what he overcame but man to man that dude did not belong in the nfl

You're right. Special teams players have zero role or place in The National Football League

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In comment 14246175 Joey in VA said: Quote: Until Moses Regular or Jonas Seawright weigh in thank you very much. I'll wait for Bryan "I shave my chest" Kehl and his pink popped collars to log on and give us the scoop.

FYI- for those that want some comic relief, I've linked the archived thread below. Kehl had did an interview stating that Coughlin didn't like him, shaving his chest, wearing pink shirts, and eating alone. BBI goes ahead and does their best, "Who gives a shit?" "Kehl is a soft pussy." etc. Then Bryan goes ahead and comments on BBI to correct his side of the story. Then the Communal Backtrack commences.
Bryan Kehl defends shaving his chest and wearing pink shirts. - ( New Window )

are trying to put out uncertainty on Eli to see if their are any suitors willing to trade for him? Obviously he has a no trade clause but would it be possible that DG and Eli’s “discussion” the other day was about if he would be willing to play elsewhere? I agree that it seems far fetched but unless Eli retires I still figure he will be here in 2019 with or without a high draft pick.

I thought it was a joke.

Married to one of the owner's daughter's or something...?

On the Kehl thread

Again
What's up BBI - ( New Window )

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I thought it was a joke.

Yeah, it was. Just a funny moment on BBI that is typical. Someone makes a comment about the Giants. BBI lashes out. In this case, Bryan logs on and defends his viewpoint. And the backtracking couldn't happen fast enough. One poster - BigBlueShock early in the thread talks about ball waxing and then 2 posts after Bryan revealed himself, it's all "thanks for stopping by".

He's pretty tight with the Mara's though:

As for John Mara, well, let’s just say he never, ever is going to quibble with Herzlich’s name appearing on the final roster.

“I would like to think I’m close-ish with John, as close as any employee-employer relationship,’’ Herzlich said. “I’ll see him at events and we’ll talk, but it’s not like he’s coming over for dinner or I’m going over his house for dinner.”

Herzlich is more than “close-ish’’ with three of John Mara’s kids — Erin, Chrissy and John Jr. — and also with Danny Mara, a son of Chris Mara, one of John’s younger brothers and the Giants’ senior vice president of player personnel. Erin, Chrissy and Danny all went to Boston College.

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Again What's up BBI - ( New Window )

The image is no longer stored. But I remember that Bryan wrote up on a sheet of paper stating "What's up, BBI?" with his picture.

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In comment 14246263 crick n NC said: Quote: Again What's up BBI - ( New Window ) The image is no longer stored. But I remember that Bryan wrote up on a sheet of paper stating "What's up, BBI?" with his picture.

Yep

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In comment 14246192 moespree said: Quote: He does a sports talk radio show? What the hell? He does, he's been in radio for quite some time, working his way up at a glacial pace. Apparently the guy is a real douchebag in person.

I have know Pete /Taz since i was a kid ,he is a good guy dont go by the character you see on TV when he wrestled lol .His show is actually very good for us that are into Sports/Wrestling .I would rather listen to him and Moose than the haters on CMB

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has no special insight. He's on a radio show to give his opinion. Fine, but that's all it is.

+1. He is basing an opinion on his dealings (i.e., being cut) with DG, and his interpretation of Eli's emotions.

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Some commentator makes a statement they don’t like Immediately attack him as a jerk. Lol

yup

In comment 14246247 2ndroundKO said:

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Married to one of the owner's daughter's or something...?

His wife isn't a Mara.

is between those two. The rest is conjecture and it will be worked out. Guys trying yo get media jobs say a lot of things that are half truths based on trying look like top secret info.

That's all. Nothing more. He was asked a question and he answered it. So what?

I'll wait until Stupar weighs in to formulate an opinion.

I would be if I was him? Look at the tape? Really? He's been QB for 15 years. They watch game film after every game. I think we all know that the gut decision is already determined, the informed decision is already determined, and it's just triple checking at this point.

If I am Eli I want out. I ask for my release. I want to go to a team that has more balanced talent and win. I wouldn't have time to wait.

At some point enough is enough. How would you like to interview for your job at the end of every year?

everyone really misinterpreted this article and interview with Herzlich

what Herzlich is saying is He was one of the LAST cuts of Giants this past year .. so Herzlich saw how Gettleman operated and how his own cut went down and after seeing how Gettleman talked about Eli in press conference he is making an educated guess that Eli in on the way out.

But jeez it doesn't take rocket science -- All you have to do is listen to what Gettleman said about Eli when he got the job last year and what he said about Eli this week to know that Eli is on thin ice.

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Giants fans are split on Eli for next season, so whatever DG decides, it will creat an uproar among one side or another. I think he already knows what he is going to do, and all that stuff about having to watch tape, is just due diligence

He may know what he wants to do, but he does not know that he can have his preference. Underclassmen haven't yet declared for the draft, he doesn't know which teams will lock up free agents or how negotiations with any free agents he may want will go. Or negotiations with Eli over a restructure if that is what he is thinking. of course he is being non-committal at this stage

As someone who played for the Giants for the better part of a decade, is it such a stretch to contemplate that, perhaps, Herzlich still has plenty of contacts with the organization and, via a couple of phone calls or text messages, can get the “word on the street” within Giants-land?

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As someone who played for the Giants for the better part of a decade, is it such a stretch to contemplate that, perhaps, Herzlich still has plenty of contacts with the organization and, via a couple of phone calls or text messages, can get the “word on the street” within Giants-land?

Good logical point and I think Herzlich would not say what he said without good reason. He knew it would be controversial .

In comment 14246090 Jim in Tampa said:

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That's the way it works on BBI. When a current or ex, player or coach, or even a beat writer shares their INFORMED opinion, and posters don't like what they hear, they immediately try to discredit the source.

So, so true.

opinions within the Giant front office than he ever knew how to play LB in the NFL...

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opinions within the Giant front office than he ever knew how to play LB in the NFL...

Kind of a low bar, no?

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In comment 14247825 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: opinions within the Giant front office than he ever knew how to play LB in the NFL... Kind of a low bar, no?

Very true. Just trying to point out where he might have value though...