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Britt in VA : 1/3/2019 3:47 pm
I know he's been a hot topic here, so I thought this was a pretty crazy stat.

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Lamar Jackson set the record for most rush attempts by a QB in a single season since the merger.

He didn't start a game until Week 11.
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That stat.....  
BillKo : 1/3/2019 3:48 pm : link
...is an injury waiting to happen.

It's inevitable, if it continues at that pace.
How can that be possible?  
bradshaw44 : 1/3/2019 3:48 pm : link
Are they talking designed QB run plays?
He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
Go Terps : 1/3/2019 3:49 pm : link
He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.
RE: That stat.....  
Jay on the Island : 1/3/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14246322 BillKo said:
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...is an injury waiting to happen.

It's inevitable, if it continues at that pace.

Absolutely right.
strictly any time he runs the football....  
BillKo : 1/3/2019 3:50 pm : link
..either design or drop back and then run.

Either case, QB is credited with a run.

RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
Jay on the Island : 1/3/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:
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He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.

There is no way that he deserves it more than Mayfield, Barkley, or even Lindsay. Mayfield took an 0-16 team and went 7-7 as a starter.
RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
BillKo : 1/3/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:
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And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.


Certainly gets the credit, but courage is a bit overboard IMO.

Harbaugh was at one point agreeing that it was his last year (so it was reported)....why not try something off the wall?

And his starter, Flacco, was hurt.

I'd have him run too, esp if throwing is his weaker trait. And I had one foot out the door.

And it worked.
RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
section125 : 1/3/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:
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He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.


Oh yes, a RB that can throw poor passes should be ROY...
What is Lamar Jackson doing  
Chris684 : 1/3/2019 3:58 pm : link
that Tim Tebow didnít/couldnít?
His team is a better running team than ours  
Go Terps : 1/3/2019 3:58 pm : link
And they didn't need to draft Barkley to do it.

And his team is still playing. I promise you this is the one team Belichick wants to see the least in the playoffs. They're dangerous.
RE: What is Lamar Jackson doing  
Andy in Boston : 1/3/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14246348 Chris684 said:
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that Tim Tebow didnít/couldnít?


Jackson is a far superior athlete. Much quicker/faster/more instinctive. He's more like Mike Vick.
anyone else think that next year teams will have him figured out?  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/3/2019 4:01 pm : link
like RG3 and others
RE: His team is a better running team than ours  
Now Mike in MD : 1/3/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14246350 Go Terps said:
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And they didn't need to draft Barkley to do it.

And his team is still playing. I promise you this is the one team Belichick wants to see the least in the playoffs. They're dangerous.


What they have that we don't is a dominant OL. They managed to make two very average RBs into studs. If SB is behind that OL, he might average 180 yards a game.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/3/2019 4:04 pm : link
RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
Danny Kanell : 1/3/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:
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He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.


Youíre gonna be insufferable with this kid.
not going to bother touching this one  
UConn4523 : 1/3/2019 4:05 pm : link
but I will say its an interesting stat, hard to believe that Vick ran less in any one season.

He's a great fit for Baltimore. But other than that I'll reserve judgement until he plays a full season. He's going to have to get better at passing to have any longevity in this league.
RE: His team is a better running team than ours  
section125 : 1/3/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14246350 Go Terps said:
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And they didn't need to draft Barkley to do it.

And his team is still playing. I promise you this is the one team Belichick wants to see the least in the playoffs. They're dangerous.


Their defense is dangerous.

Hey, Jackson can fly and he is great at running, no doubt. Just get him to 3rd and long...
RE: His team is a better running team than ours  
Mr. Bungle : 1/3/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14246350 Go Terps said:
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And they didn't need to draft Barkley to do it.

And his team is still playing. I promise you this is the one team Belichick wants to see the least in the playoffs. They're dangerous.

You liked Griffin over Luck, too.

It's not sustainable. You'll see (again).
RE: His team is a better running team than ours  
Deejboy : 1/3/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14246350 Go Terps said:
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And they didn't need to draft Barkley to do it.

And his team is still playing. I promise you this is the one team Belichick wants to see the least in the playoffs. They're dangerous.

So you are telling me Lamar Jackson is a better runner than Saquon Barkley?

A gimmick offense built around a run first QB might work for a little while. But it is not something you can get away with long term. Not only will Jackson have to greatly improve his passing, but that many running attempts is going to quickly take a toll on his body. Barkley is built to do this for the next decade. Jackson is not.
RE: RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
wigs in nyc : 1/3/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14246359 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:


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He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.



Youíre gonna be insufferable with this kid.


maybe, but he's going to be right, too.
RE: RE: What is Lamar Jackson doing  
Deejboy : 1/3/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14246353 Andy in Boston said:
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that Tim Tebow didnít/couldnít?



Jackson is a far superior athlete. Much quicker/faster/more instinctive. He's more like Mike Vick.

Tebow though is a lot bigger. 240lbs and cut from granite. He could absorb the hits. Jackson like Vick is about 215lbs. Vick had been clocked as low as 4.25 in the 40. Jackson didn't run in the combine but predicted he would be right around 4.38. People forget how crazy athletic Vick was.
BBI Steel Cage Match  
Mike from Ohio : 1/3/2019 4:20 pm : link
GoTerps in his Lamar Jackson jersey vs. dep026 in his Eli Manning jersey. The ultimate fanboy showdown.
I didn't start the fucking thread  
Go Terps : 1/3/2019 4:20 pm : link
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Go Terps  
Giantology : 1/3/2019 4:20 pm : link
Have you given the Baltimore defense credit even one time?
I think the leading rusher in the NFL...  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 4:22 pm : link
since Thanksgiving is Josh Allen - speaking of interesting rookie stats.
RE: BBI Steel Cage Match  
Beezer : 1/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14246377 Mike from Ohio said:
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GoTerps in his Lamar Jackson jersey vs. dep026 in his Eli Manning jersey. The ultimate fanboy showdown.


This made me laugh ...
Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
Jay on the Island : 1/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.
RE: RE: He should have the rookie of the year IMO  
speedywheels : 1/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14246359 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14246326 Go Terps said:


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He took a non-playoff team and made it a playoff team.

Remember - this guy ran for more yards and more TDs in college than Saquon Barkley. And he didn't miss a game. That's an incredible statistic.

And huge kudos to John Harbaugh and his staff for having the courage to try something completely different.



Youíre gonna be insufferable with this kid.


He already is..
Running and size don't equate to injury by themselves  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/3/2019 4:27 pm : link
Just like size and strength dont equate to health. Allen and Brady and Roethlisberger are all 'size' prospects that have gotten hurt. Cam Newton too. We had people here saying Mayfield was too small too.




Steve Young wasn't some hulking hercules. Nor was Randall Cunningham.

It's knowing when to run. RG3 was stupidly reckless with the hits he took. And the hit that really finished his knee happened because he went flying in the air and crashed his knee into a defensive tackle.

I liked Jackson coming out  
Johnny5 : 1/3/2019 4:28 pm : link
And I'm happy to see him doing well in Baltimore (And that is a CRAZY stat). Their OL looks pretty good at run blocking But at some point he will be hit by hard by NFL speed/power and he is not built for that... I hate to say it but it's just a matter of time. And his throwing is still awful. He is hella fun to watch though.
RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14246395 Jay on the Island said:
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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.


Correct. And then he'll need to prove he's a threat with his arm.

But God is he electric with that speed. It's like watching an 4X100 relay race. And the incredible thing his he's like Gumby and never gets hurt.
RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
Danny Kanell : 1/3/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14246395 Jay on the Island said:
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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.


Unfortunately heíll be hurt before the league even has a chance to figure him out. Running QBs like him end up with short NFL careers just about 99% of the time.
I agree with Terps in part  
UConn4523 : 1/3/2019 4:31 pm : link
Jackson is playing well and he's perfect for that team. But history shows there's a high probability of it being unsustainable, so we will see. The Giants were also one of the worst fits for Jackson anyway so I don't think its something we were ready to emulate anytime soon even if we wanted to.

As for RoY, no chance. Its Barkley/Mayfield and no one else.
Wow. Terps is really going all in  
Walt in MD : 1/3/2019 4:32 pm : link
I guess Jackson is going to revolutionize the NFL. Bring back the single wing. Maybe some triple option stuff. Hell, teams may as well just use ru ning backs at QB.
RE: What is Lamar Jackson doing  
Boy Cord : 1/3/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14246348 Chris684 said:
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that Tim Tebow didnít/couldnít?


Youíre kidding, right?
RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/3/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14246395 Jay on the Island said:
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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.


Just saying his name seems to poison the discussion, but Kaepernick is 4-2 in the playoffs with one game you can really point to as bad. I'm not sure who actually figured him out other than the seattle defense.
RE: What is Lamar Jackson doing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/3/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14246348 Chris684 said:
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that Tim Tebow didnít/couldnít?


Completing passes.
RE: RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
YAJ2112 : 1/3/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14246419 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.



Just saying his name seems to poison the discussion, but Kaepernick is 4-2 in the playoffs with one game you can really point to as bad. I'm not sure who actually figured him out other than the seattle defense.


He went 4-20 in his last 24 starts, he might have gotten figured out.
He isn't revolutionizing anything  
Go Terps : 1/3/2019 4:39 pm : link
What I like is that someone is finally committing to building a running offense around a running quarterback. Baltimore's defense is really good, no doubt. And now the way they are playing is making their jobs easier.

I like Jackson, but for me it's more about the style of offense. I enjoy watching it in a league where passing dominates.

As for sustainability, the style definitely is. Will Jackson have a long career running it 10-15 times a game, I don't know. But for right now, they're winning games. And if it isn't sustainable for Jackson, college football produces a lot more QBs like him than it does guys like Drew Brees.
Kaepernick's demise began...  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 4:40 pm : link
when Baakle won the power struggle over Harbaugh.
Speaking of Kaepernick, he was damn close to winning a Super Bowl  
Go Terps : 1/3/2019 4:40 pm : link
If you pull that off, who cares about sustainability?
RE: RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
Jay on the Island : 1/3/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14246419 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14246395 Jay on the Island said:


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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.



Just saying his name seems to poison the discussion, but Kaepernick is 4-2 in the playoffs with one game you can really point to as bad. I'm not sure who actually figured him out other than the seattle defense.

He was terrible over his final two seasons. He was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert.
RE: Speaking of Kaepernick, he was damn close to winning a Super Bowl  
Jay on the Island : 1/3/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14246431 Go Terps said:
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If you pull that off, who cares about sustainability?

Yeah because of their incredible defense and running game.
RE: He isn't revolutionizing anything  
robbieballs2003 : 1/3/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14246429 Go Terps said:
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What I like is that someone is finally committing to building a running offense around a running quarterback. Baltimore's defense is really good, no doubt. And now the way they are playing is making their jobs easier.

I like Jackson, but for me it's more about the style of offense. I enjoy watching it in a league where passing dominates.

As for sustainability, the style definitely is. Will Jackson have a long career running it 10-15 times a game, I don't know. But for right now, they're winning games. And if it isn't sustainable for Jackson, college football produces a lot more QBs like him than it does guys like Drew Brees.


This reminds me of the Rex led Jets. The problem is in today's NFL you need to be able to pass. It doesn't mean that you need to do it all the time but they need these games to stay close or have the lead. If they get down early they will not be able to play catch up.

Running the ball and playing defense is always going to be a recipe for success but there needs to be that other element unless you control the games. And sometimes that isn't possible because of turnovers, special teams play, etc.

This is too similar to the wildcat for me.
stack the box  
spike : 1/3/2019 4:45 pm : link
and make him a passer
RE: RE: RE: Before anyone annoints Lamar Jackson a great QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/3/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14246435 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14246395 Jay on the Island said:


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just wait until the league has enough film on him to adjust just as it did with RG3 and Kaepernick.



Just saying his name seems to poison the discussion, but Kaepernick is 4-2 in the playoffs with one game you can really point to as bad. I'm not sure who actually figured him out other than the seattle defense.


He was terrible over his final two seasons. He was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert.


16 touchdowns, 4 interceptions, completion percentage in line with his previous two season and a 90 rating isn't terrible. To this day I'm not sure why people say he was terrible. The niners as team were awful. We know this because after that year they fired everyone and every thing in the building.
Itís because heís a RB with a noodle arm  
Ssanders9816 : 1/3/2019 4:53 pm : link
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The unsung hero...  
bw in dc : 1/3/2019 4:53 pm : link
with the Ravens is Greg Roman.

He was the architect of the running game for Kaepernick in San Fran.

And he's created the same model in Baltimore for LJax. Just a brilliant job by Roman & Mornhinweg.
Imagine Barkley AND Jackson  
GiantNatty : 1/3/2019 4:55 pm : link
I have a sneaking suspicion the Ravens leapfrogged over the Giants to get Jackson. They didn't jump over Cleveland or the Jets. Makes sense that they thought the Giants might be interested with the second pick of the second round.

Can you imagine having Barkley and Jackson? Wow.
RE: Imagine Barkley AND Jackson  
section125 : 1/3/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14246455 GiantNatty said:
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I have a sneaking suspicion the Ravens leapfrogged over the Giants to get Jackson. They didn't jump over Cleveland or the Jets. Makes sense that they thought the Giants might be interested with the second pick of the second round.

Can you imagine having Barkley and Jackson? Wow.


They would be fighting for carries?

Yeah, RPO with Jackson and Barkley would be interesting.
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