NFT: When will St Johns get some respect

I'm thinking #22.

St. John's ranks around 40. These are based on efficiency metrics so W-L is less important than quality of play (bad if you want to add value in closing out games, good if you want to de-value the controversial loss to Seton Hall).

KenPom: 40
Sagarin: 41
Sagarin Predictor: 44
Massey: 40
Massey Composite (47 different ratings): 44

It seems that they have one of the easiest strength of schedules in the country thus far (317 and 316 in KenPom and Sagarin, respectively). I'm not criticizing the scheduling because I'm sure when the schedule was made, VCU and California were expected to be higher-rated opponents, especially Cal.

I haven't watched a minute of St. John's play this season so I'm not saying where they deserve to be ranked.

I'm just offering why they might not be getting the love you think they deserve.

They make the tourney they might be a tough out. Great guard play goes a long way.

If they keep winning, they’ll get there. Rankings don’t mean shit, but I get that it seems so meaningful when the program has been down for so long. Just win Big East games, make noise or win the Big East tournament, and grab a decent NCAA seeding. Never mind the rankings now. They don’t matter.

Go Hoyas! (But, also, of course: Go Big EAST!)

Giants and Knicks. I have been a fan but also somewhat of a skeptic, given that they have often been inconsistent and played down to the level of their opponent, and also have a relatively small front line - a lot of wing players. However, even the Seton Hall loss (since the Hall has been playing very well too) and now the Marquette win have me believing in them more. Would be great if they keep this up.

I think #22 seems about right. But it's possible they won't crack the top 25 just yet.

they will get a ton of respect. The problem is they played an atrocious non-conference schedule. Beating #16 Marquette by 20 is a really good win to put on the resume though

In comment 14246602 Del Shofner said:

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Giants and Knicks. I have been a fan but also somewhat of a skeptic, given that they have often been inconsistent and played down to the level of their opponent, and also have a relatively small front line - a lot of wing players. However, even the Seton Hall loss (since the Hall has been playing very well too) and now the Marquette win have me believing in them more. Would be great if they keep this up.

They got screwed by the officials at the end of the Seton Hall loss and should be unbeaten. The win over Marquette is a very strong one to put on a tournament resume and they didn't have a win of that nature because they played a terrible non-conference schedule. VCU is probably the only quality team they played and beat out of conference

and the ref who blew the whistle on the inbounds play should be fired and banned from B.B. forever ... I can’t believe Mullins stayed as calm as he did. My hero Bobby Knight would have slugged the guy ... and ... oh, I’m not a St Johns fan.

In comment 14246594 Jerz44 said:

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Go Hoyas! (But, also, of course: Go Big EAST!)

Should be a good game. Hoyas quietly playing some really solid ball. Hopefully Mac can go, but I also want to see Malinowski continue to get more minutes.

I absolutely love what Josh LeBlanc is bringing to the squad. 10 and 8 on 67% shooting +defense +energy.

Who knows what this season will end up being for Georgetown, but regardless I have to say they are light years ahead of where I expected them to be in year 2 under Pat.

is essential. My Hoyas are young and improving but nowhere near the talent level of St. Johns. While I hold great hope for the future with Ewing, a loss to the Hoyas on the road in an arena that will have as many St. John's fans as Hoya fans would indicate that St. Johns is not as good as its record.

but looks like it was a great game.

What happened to the thread about it? I thought there was one earlier today.

i remember those early 80's games. Nice to see Ewing and Mullen still going at it.

In comment 14248448 Del Shofner said:

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but looks like it was a great game. What happened to the thread about it? I thought there was one earlier today.

I just saw the highlights (wasn't able to watch it) but it was one of the better CBB games of the year in general, aside from Duke-Gonzaga (which is the game of the year so far in CBB)

Helllll of a basketball game.

These are two teams that I don’t necessarily think will go far, but I won’t be surprised by any win they have.

(I’ll be torturously replaying that last regulation turnover in my head for the rest of the night...over a few Tito’s/rocks...)

and #23 in Coaches Poll. Seton Hall is in "others receiving votes."

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