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NGT: 15 finalists for this years NFL Hall of Fame class

Giantsfan79 : 1/3/2019 9:22 pm
who would you vote for?

• Steve Atwater, Safety – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets

• Champ Bailey, Cornerback – 1999-2003 Washington Redskins, 2004-2013 Denver Broncos

• Tony Boselli, Tackle – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars

• Isaac Bruce, Wide Receiver – 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers

• Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

• Alan Faneca, Guard – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals

• Tom Flores, Coach – 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

• Tony Gonzalez, Tight End – 1997-2008 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009-2013 Atlanta Falcons

• Steve Hutchinson, Guard – 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings,
2012 Tennessee Titans

• Edgerrin James, Running Back – 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals,
2009 Seattle Seahawks

• Ty Law, Cornerback – 1995-2004 New England Patriots, 2005, 2008 New York Jets,
2006-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009 Denver Broncos

• John Lynch, Free Safety – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos

• Kevin Mawae, Center – 1994-97 Seattle Seahawks, 1998-2005 New York Jets, 2006-09 Tennessee Titans

• Ed Reed, Safety – 2002-2012 Baltimore Ravens, 2013 Houston Texans, 2013 New York Jets

• Richard Seymour, Defensive End/Defensive Tackle – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
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Hmm  
Sammo85 : 1/3/2019 9:53 pm : link
Champ Bailey - dominant shutdown CB and did so for a long stretch.
Tony Gonzalez - Pure Athlete that caught everything.
Ed Reed - Ball Skills. Tracking and Pursuit in coverage were amazing. Game changing safety.
Tom Flores - SB winner as player, asst coach and Head Coach. This is overdue and he deserves it first over Coryell.
Isaac Bruce - Terrific receiver. Was unheralded until Rams exploded under Warner. One of my faves.


Coryell deserves consideration because he legitimately changed the game in ways we see today and the offenses run.

I can’t put Boselli in. Career was too short. Mawae, Faneca, Hutchinson deserves consideration but may have to wait some.
Bruce was great, but he's not  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/3/2019 9:59 pm : link
a HOFer.
RE: Hmm  
AcidTest : 1/3/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14246711 Sammo85 said:
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Champ Bailey - dominant shutdown CB and did so for a long stretch.
Tony Gonzalez - Pure Athlete that caught everything.
Ed Reed - Ball Skills. Tracking and Pursuit in coverage were amazing. Game changing safety.
Tom Flores - SB winner as player, asst coach and Head Coach. This is overdue and he deserves it first over Coryell.
Isaac Bruce - Terrific receiver. Was unheralded until Rams exploded under Warner. One of my faves.


Coryell deserves consideration because he legitimately changed the game in ways we see today and the offenses run.

I can’t put Boselli in. Career was too short. Mawae, Faneca, Hutchinson deserves consideration but may have to wait some.


Probably my five as well, but at some point I would vote for Boselli, Faneca, Coryell, and James.

Let's remember that Joe Gibbs and the Redskins traded Bailey and a second round pick for Clinton Portis.
Here's the 5 (7)  
B in ALB : 1/3/2019 10:09 pm : link
Law/Mawai
Boselli
Gonzalez
James
Reed

But you know they'll throw a coach in there so probably Coryell

Making it:

- Boselli
- Gonzalez
- Reed
- James
- Coryell

Most of the others will get in in coming years.


• Isaac Bruce, Wide Receiver – 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers

• Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

• Alan Faneca, Guard – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals

• Tom Flores, Coach – 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

• Tony Gonzalez, Tight End – 1997-2008 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009-2013 Atlanta Falcons

• Steve Hutchinson, Guard – 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings,
2012 Tennessee Titans

• Edgerrin James, Running Back – 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals,
2009 Seattle Seahawks

• Ty Law, Cornerback – 1995-2004 New England Patriots, 2005, 2008 New York Jets,
2006-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009 Denver Broncos

• John Lynch, Free Safety – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos

• Kevin Mawae, Center – 1994-97 Seattle Seahawks, 1998-2005 New York Jets, 2006-09 Tennessee Titans

• Ed Reed, Safety – 2002-2012 Baltimore Ravens, 2013 Houston Texans, 2013 New York Jets

• Richard Seymour, Defensive End/Defensive Tackle – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
..  
Toth029 : 1/3/2019 10:10 pm : link
Bruce had two of his best seasons prior to the Greatest Show on Turf thing began.

Injuries cut the next two seasons for him but he was still dominant.
Champ Bailey  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/3/2019 10:20 pm : link
was a beast and it ALWAYS seemed that Toomer worked him every time they matched up.
.  
Banks : 1/3/2019 10:42 pm : link
I'm surprised to see Faneca with more All Pros than Hutchinson. It'd take the latter, but Faneca was quite good. One of many of Accorsi's mistakes.
Boselli will be interesting. He was the measuring stick that all tackles were compared against for many, many years, but he had short career. It's the old argument of does a short, great career deserve the hall. Problem is a lineman can't point to gaudy stats so if he doesn't get in soon he won't get in at all as memories fade.
If I can only choose 5 this year...  
EricJ : 1/3/2019 11:00 pm : link
then this is how I would vote..

Atwater
Boselli
Isaac Bruce
Coryell
Gonzalez

Bailey and Reed would get in next year
My 5  
10thAve : 1/3/2019 11:05 pm : link
Bailey
Law
James
Gonzalez
Ed Reed

I think Bailey, Gonzalez, and Reed are close to unanimous.
Surprised  
allstarjim : 1/3/2019 11:10 pm : link
That Faneca isn't getting the recognition he should here.

There are several absolute, no-brainer locks here, and Faneca is one of them. Boselli was really good for a short stretch but no way he should get in. Faneca is miles and miles more deserving than Boselli.

The no-brainers to me are Faneca, Hutchinson, Gonzo, and Reed. Other guys like Bailey have a case, but I'd put in Atwater over him, and I think Atwater should get in.

Mawae, Bruce, Bailey, and Lynch I believe are all deserving but not more than any of the above guys, IMO. I would vote for Mawae over all of the remaining guys on that list (after Atwater and the 4 no-brainers).

Bailey was good for a long time but he was great for just a short window. To me he's borderline. Kind of like Jim Rice in baseball. Played a long time and was good. Not a true HOFer IMO, but he got in.
George Young  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/4/2019 3:05 am : link
This bullshit with the NFL has got to stop. The league is a fucking joke, the refs are a travesty and the Hall of Fame is full of shit if they can't give George young any respect or recognition.
If I were voting, my five would be  
Someguy1978 : 1/4/2019 4:30 am : link
Bailey
Gonzalez
Hutchinson
James
Reed
George young  
TommytheElephant : 1/4/2019 6:16 am : link
.
If James is a HOFer  
bubba0825 : 1/4/2019 6:33 am : link
So is tiki barber
This class not as exciting as last years  
ZogZerg : 1/4/2019 6:50 am : link
..
RE: Here's the 5 (7)  
micky : 1/4/2019 6:56 am : link
In comment 14246725 B in ALB said:
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Law/Mawai
Boselli
Gonzalez
James
Reed

But you know they'll throw a coach in there so probably Coryell

Making it:

- Boselli
- Gonzalez
- Reed
- James
- Coryell

Most of the others will get in in coming years.


• Isaac Bruce, Wide Receiver – 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers

• Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

• Alan Faneca, Guard – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals

• Tom Flores, Coach – 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

• Tony Gonzalez, Tight End – 1997-2008 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009-2013 Atlanta Falcons

• Steve Hutchinson, Guard – 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings,
2012 Tennessee Titans

• Edgerrin James, Running Back – 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals,
2009 Seattle Seahawks

• Ty Law, Cornerback – 1995-2004 New England Patriots, 2005, 2008 New York Jets,
2006-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2009 Denver Broncos

• John Lynch, Free Safety – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos

• Kevin Mawae, Center – 1994-97 Seattle Seahawks, 1998-2005 New York Jets, 2006-09 Tennessee Titans

• Ed Reed, Safety – 2002-2012 Baltimore Ravens, 2013 Houston Texans, 2013 New York Jets

• Richard Seymour, Defensive End/Defensive Tackle – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders


Id switch James out for one more year and in place Atwater
Atwater is #1 on this list for me. How the hell is he not in the hall  
NYGmen58 : 1/4/2019 8:14 am : link
of fame. A top 5 all-time safety!

Nobody hit harder than him!
I would imagine...  
bw in dc : 1/4/2019 8:19 am : link
the Ed Reed debate lasts less than a minute. And that will be a minute too long. Whoever is arguing on his behalf just needs to stand up and say Ed Reed. Then sit down.

It’s embarrassing that Sterling Sharpe can’t get it in at this point. His numbers were incredible before his untimely career ending injury.

If Boselli  
pjcas18 : 1/4/2019 8:30 am : link
can get in with a 6 year career, I no longer buy any argument against Bavaro.
Lynch is way way  
jvm52106 : 1/4/2019 8:39 am : link
overrated.
RE: If Boselli  
bw in dc : 1/4/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14246902 pjcas18 said:
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can get in with a 6 year career, I no longer buy any argument against Bavaro.


That’s my point on Sterling Sharpe.
RE: Lynch is way way  
bw in dc : 1/4/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14246915 jvm52106 said:
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overrated.


No sure he’s was overrated, but I never thought of him as a HoF player either.
Reed and Gonzalez are slam dunks  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/4/2019 9:00 am : link
Then it should be Mawae and Faneca, who are no-doubt HOF interior linemen. Faneca was 6X All-Pro! Mawae is the Center for the All-2000s team.

To me that's the class.
I know the HOF  
Pete in MD : 1/4/2019 9:07 am : link
is weird with non-players but Don Coryell invented an offensive scheme that changed the game forever.
I know it  
BIG FRED 1973 : 1/4/2019 9:19 am : link
will never happen but i think Tiki and Sean Landeta deserve hall of fame recognition
RE: Lynch is way way  
markky : 1/4/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14246915 jvm52106 said:
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overrated.


This. I don't think he's a HoFer
Reed, Bailey, Gonzalez  
Rong5611 : 1/4/2019 9:48 am : link
Definitely those 3, not sure on the others.
For some reason,  
Pete in MD : 1/4/2019 9:52 am : link
that Bucs team was adored by the media. You had Gruden, Lynch, Sapp, Brooks, Gramatica, Ronde, et al. I'm pretty sure it's why Booger has his ESPN job right now. When does Mike Alstott get his yellow jacket?
My votes would be for...  
ArizonaBlue : 1/4/2019 9:52 am : link
Atwater
Coryell
Gonzalez
Reed
Law
RE: For some reason,  
dep026 : 1/4/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14247033 Pete in MD said:
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that Bucs team was adored by the media. You had Gruden, Lynch, Sapp, Brooks, Gramatica, Ronde, et al. I'm pretty sure it's why Booger has his ESPN job right now. When does Mike Alstott get his yellow jacket?


Dont forget the architect of that team is in the HOF somehow...

Tony Dungy
RE: RE: For some reason,  
Pete in MD : 1/4/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14247039 dep026 said:
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In comment 14247033 Pete in MD said:


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that Bucs team was adored by the media. You had Gruden, Lynch, Sapp, Brooks, Gramatica, Ronde, et al. I'm pretty sure it's why Booger has his ESPN job right now. When does Mike Alstott get his yellow jacket?



Dont forget the architect of that team is in the HOF somehow...

Tony Dungy

I think Dungy gets credit for Tampa-2 (but no love for Monte Kiffin?) and his SB win with Peyton. Coryell's offense was way more innovative. Should Brian Billick be in the HOF? He was the HC for one of the best defenses in history (for one season.)
RE: RE: Lynch is way way  
Someguy1978 : 1/4/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14247001 markky said:
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In comment 14246915 jvm52106 said:


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overrated.



This. I don't think he's a HoFer


I agree and I would put in Atwater way before putting in Lynch.
RE: RE: For some reason,  
bw in dc : 1/4/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14247039 dep026 said:
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Dont forget the architect of that team is in the HOF somehow...

Tony Dungy


Which is somewhat of a joke, btw...
RE: I know it  
markky : 1/4/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14246978 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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will never happen but i think Tiki and Sean Landeta deserve hall of fame recognition


Agree on both.
RE: RE: For some reason,  
markky : 1/4/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14247039 dep026 said:
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In comment 14247033 Pete in MD said:


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that Bucs team was adored by the media. You had Gruden, Lynch, Sapp, Brooks, Gramatica, Ronde, et al. I'm pretty sure it's why Booger has his ESPN job right now. When does Mike Alstott get his yellow jacket?



Dont forget the architect of that team is in the HOF somehow...

Tony Dungy


no idea how Dungy is in the hall.
RE: Coryell, Gonzalez and Reed  
PatersonPlank : 1/4/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14246683 Del Shofner said:
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seem like no-brainers. Maybe some others.


Plus boselli. Not sure how many votes each person gets.
That Tampa team needed a new coach  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/4/2019 11:06 am : link
who ended up facing his old team and system in order to win a championship. And they only got to the SB playing the biggest combo of choke artists coach/QB in history in the NFCC: Reid/McNabb.
John Lynch  
fanofthejets : 1/4/2019 11:14 am : link
Lynch is not a Hall of Famer.

Good player, but very overrated throughout his career. Made a bunch of undeserved Pro Bowls
Champ Bailey and Atwater  
baadbill : 1/4/2019 11:17 am : link
would be my top 2
My vote...  
trueblueinpw : 1/4/2019 12:05 pm : link
To me, Reed, Faneca, Bruce and Gonzales go in without a doubt. All the while these guys played, and they all played long careers, you’d game plan against them as the best players on the field. Except for TG (who’s like Marino in the GOAT without a ring conversation) they were all SB champions, and that counts for something. What Tom Flores did in terms of winning at every level is something people should learn about when visiting Canton.

Also agree that Bailey is a guy I’m not sure about. Atwater was a dominate player, so was John Lynch. I feel like a case can be made for all except, I wouldn’t put in Boselli, but I wouldn’t object either.
RE: Atwater is #1 on this list for me. How the hell is he not in the hall  
NINEster : 1/4/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14246872 NYGmen58 said:
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of fame. A top 5 all-time safety!

Nobody hit harder than him!


It wasn't his nor the Broncos' day when SB 24 opened up with Rice ricocheting off him near the goal line.
Gonzales, Mawae, Reed,  
clatterbuck : 1/4/2019 2:01 pm : link
Air Coryell.
my five  
JOrthman : 1/4/2019 2:19 pm : link
• Champ Bailey

• Tony Boselli

• Tony Gonzalez

• Ty Law

• Ed Reed
Hines Ward  
Tom in DC : 1/4/2019 5:27 pm : link
I continue to hope Hines Ward does not make the hall. I have a case of beer bet going through 2027 that he doesn't make it (though its based on my belief he shouldn't mre so that he won't). Hopefully, the WRs like Bruce, Owens, Moss, Chad and Calvin Johnson, and others stack up and box him out.
Reed, Gonzalez, Bruce, Bailey and Hutchinson  
TD : 1/5/2019 2:01 pm : link
.
Most of you guys don't know your ass from your elbow  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/6/2019 3:57 am : link
George Young belongs in the HOF
I dont think you can put Law in before Atwater  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 4:59 am : link
I'm surprised only a few here are giving him recognition. Guy is maybe a top 5 safety, definitely top 10.

Faneca was also better than Hutch.
RE: Most of you guys don't know your ass from your elbow  
baadbill : 1/6/2019 7:27 am : link
In comment 14249328 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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George Young belongs in the HOF


He wasn’t on the OP’s list of 15 finalists... and frankly I would have guessed he was already in.
RE: I dont think you can put Law in before Atwater  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/6/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14249330 widmerseyebrow said:
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I'm surprised only a few here are giving him recognition. Guy is maybe a top 5 safety, definitely top 10.

Faneca was also better than Hutch.


They don't have a lot of pure safeties in the Hall -- Kenny Easley was a veterans candidate, and that is Atwater's barometer.
Guards are very underrepresented in the Hall  
cosmicj : 1/6/2019 10:05 am : link
Both Faneca and Hutchinson should be in. Given how Hutch was drafted and then how he was signed by the Vikings has led me to believe that he is a highly esteemed player within the NFL pro ranks - and I mean HIGHLY -
seeing whether he makes the cut this year will validate that possibility.
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