Heard him the FAN this morning: He thinks Eli will retire. Said to Boomer you know how it is when things just don’t work right anymore. Listed the following
* Eli has trouble getting off his back foot
* ball just doesn’t come out the same
* accuracy is compromised
I Don t agree Eli will retire, the other stuff, beyond my pay grade to evaluate, but Eli s been a big topic, so I shared.
Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
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Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
Dep in...1....2....3.....and go
What he says makes complete sense. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but it absolutely makes sense.
When you have 91 completions to Barkley on 5/10 yard throws your completion percentage will go up.
I think he was talking longer passes. I thought he looked about the same up to mid-range, but his deep passes were not as good.
Anyone with a credit card can get access to the all-22 film.
I have no agenda other than to relay the info, from another NFL quarterback.
Having trouble getting off his back foot is referring to the weight transfer. We always hear about foot work with quarterbacks, this is related to that
I have no agenda other than to relay the info, from another NFL quarterback.
Having trouble getting off his back foot is referring to the weight transfer. We always hear about foot work with quarterbacks, this is related to that
There is nothing wrong with posting this. At least it has some meat.
What he says makes complete sense. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but it absolutely makes sense.
He was an NFL QB....what the hell does he know? I can evaluate much better from my couch with chips and beer.
Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
At least nobody can deny #3
And had a very sneaky good career.
Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
Ironically the first post in the thread ensures it.
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Eli had the best completion percentage of his entire career despite 19 dropped passes by his receivers this season (11th-most in the NFL).
When you have 91 completions to Barkley on 5/10 yard throws your completion percentage will go up.
I think he was talking longer passes. I thought he looked about the same up to mid-range, but his deep passes were not as good.
Being 27th in Average Air Yards Completed and 32nd in Average Intended Air Yards supports the first part.
The second part was evident on film. There were times he was able to push the ball down field, because QBs don’t completely lose their arms but their were more passes that weren’t good.
Believe he's mentioning both poor lower body mechanics at the top of his drop coupled with some play speed issues that make him struggle with his 1st read. People like to say he lingers too long, but its really a mixed bag of too fast at times and too slow at times. So when his back foot, or right foot hits after a 3 or 5 step drop... he often can lose rhythm, etc. Part of this, IMO, is why Shurmur has embraced the nakeds/bootlegs so much to attempt to set his rhythm if you will. If you noticed too in recent games those bootlegs, his first read was to the flat and very very fast(by design), to take the mystery out of it so that he could eliminate/isolate in a quicker fashion
And had a very sneaky good career.
Could have been even better if it wasn’t for that dirty play against Pittsburgh. He was never the same type of player.
Fine stat, but let's filter this by distance of attempt, because it's padded by a lot of safe, short passes and checkdowns.
I feel like after last year and the Giants not replacing him this past offseason they did him a solid but they had to have done that with some knowledge that it was his last horah.
If he steps away and just rips the bandaid off this everyone will talk about something else.
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But what does “can’t get off his back foot mean”?
Believe he's mentioning both poor lower body mechanics at the top of his drop coupled with some play speed issues that make him struggle with his 1st read. People like to say he lingers too long, but its really a mixed bag of too fast at times and too slow at times. So when his back foot, or right foot hits after a 3 or 5 step drop... he often can lose rhythm, etc. Part of this, IMO, is why Shurmur has embraced the nakeds/bootlegs so much to attempt to set his rhythm if you will. If you noticed too in recent games those bootlegs, his first read was to the flat and very very fast(by design), to take the mystery out of it so that he could eliminate/isolate in a quicker fashion
Good question McNally, thanks for the answer t
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certainly has more than enough credibility on throwing. My God he could throw a football, especially under duress. Has a very good understanding of throwing mechanics. Same with his QB guru brother Jordan.
And had a very sneaky good career.
Could have been even better if it wasn’t for that dirty play against Pittsburgh. He was never the same type of player.
That was Roethlisberger’s first SB run.
Low cheap shot by Oelhoffen. That’s back when the Steelers prided themselves on their cheap shots. They had some real scum on the D for a while...
Eli blamers - "See...Carson Palmer notices the same declining QB we do"
Everybody else - "Boomer hates the Giants"
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certainly has more than enough credibility on throwing. My God he could throw a football, especially under duress. Has a very good understanding of throwing mechanics. Same with his QB guru brother Jordan.
And had a very sneaky good career.
Could have been even better if it wasn’t for that dirty play against Pittsburgh. He was never the same type of player.
That was Roethlisberger’s first SB run.
Low cheap shot by Oelhoffen. That’s back when the Steelers prided themselves on their cheap shots. They had some real scum on the D for a while...
Don't forget Hines Ward...I fucking hate the Steelers.
UMMM, he was still 17th in completion %. Completion % was up across the board. It is a meaningless stat to use right now to prove someone still has it. QB's ahead of Eli- Stafford, Trubisky, Fitpatrick, Newton, Prescott.. That 66% means nothing to me.
Anyone can get all-22 tape if they wanted it.
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But what does “can’t get off his back foot mean”?
Believe he's mentioning both poor lower body mechanics at the top of his drop coupled with some play speed issues that make him struggle with his 1st read. People like to say he lingers too long, but its really a mixed bag of too fast at times and too slow at times. So when his back foot, or right foot hits after a 3 or 5 step drop... he often can lose rhythm, etc. Part of this, IMO, is why Shurmur has embraced the nakeds/bootlegs so much to attempt to set his rhythm if you will. If you noticed too in recent games those bootlegs, his first read was to the flat and very very fast(by design), to take the mystery out of it so that he could eliminate/isolate in a quicker fashion
I can't wait to listen to your podcast today.
Jets had a 17% accuracy by comparison.
If Eli were of a mind to retire based on his assessment of his own abilities, what would he be arguing with Gettleman about the day after the season ends?
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certainly has more than enough credibility on throwing. My God he could throw a football, especially under duress. Has a very good understanding of throwing mechanics. Same with his QB guru brother Jordan.
And had a very sneaky good career.
Could have been even better if it wasn’t for that dirty play against Pittsburgh. He was never the same type of player.
That was Roethlisberger’s first SB run.
Low cheap shot by Oelhoffen. That’s back when the Steelers prided themselves on their cheap shots. They had some real scum on the D for a while...
Yes it was. The head butt by Von Oehlhoffen to the knee of Palmer occurred after Palmer had just thrown his 2nd long td of the game to give Cincy a 14-0 lead that was gearing up to be a blowout for Cincy. Kitna came in and the offense stalled and Pittsburgh was able to come back and win by 3 IIRC. Palmer was sensational that season and he was on his way to being a top 3 QB in the league. He was never the same after that knee injury. Von Oelhoffen to this day claims it was an accident but from the replay you can clearly see that it was no accident. Dirty piece of shit.
Saying he had the best completion percentage of career is not saying much when completion percentages across the board have risen dramatically.
Case in point...in 2011 (last Giants Super Bowl), Eli completed 61% of his passes, ranking him 14th (not bad). If you translated that same percentage to 2018 season statistics, that same 61% would rank you between 29th (Flacco) and 30th (Bortles).
You are saying he had the best completion percentage of his career. Great! That number ranks him 17th of all qualifying QB's. So what are we talking about here?
Is he improving statistically? Yes. But not at the same rate as NFL QB's across the board.
People in here drastically underrate how much similar offenses are around the league, like Brady or Goff don't throw a lot of screens or checkdowns.
I think Eli’s torn though - financial, personal legacy and team improvement reasons why he’d want to return vs diminished play,two consecutive brutal team seasons and leaving the game without major brain or body damage to spend time with his growing fam.
He’s not driving the ball like he used to. Like @ pitcher, a QB gets velocity on the ball by driving his back leg. As players get older, tendons (like the Achilles) get stiffer, and less flexibility means less drive oof the back leg.
If he comes back, it is for a care-taker role only. It is unlikely that they make the playoffs next year with or without him. DG probably told him that they need to extend his contract to create cap space for him to stay.
He has alot to think about.
-- Is the reduced money he's likely been offered worth it?
-- Will he get more from another team that's closer to the post-season?
-- Does he want to play on what will likely be another losing team?
-- Is the above wrong? Does he think he has another playoff run in him? Will the team be good enough?
-- Does he want to risk his health?
-- Is it time to retire and raise his family?
You are saying he had the best completion percentage of his career. Great! That number ranks him 17th of all qualifying QB's. So what are we talking about here?
So being ranked 14th isn't bad, but you bolded 17th and act like it is much worst that 14th?
Basically, Eli's percentage has kept up with the overall rise.
I think Palmer is on to something...it just feels like Eli might be finally done in blue.
I think Palmer is on to something...it just feels like Eli might be finally done in blue.
Agreed
What is there for the Giants to decide? They talked and told him that's all she wrote and he is contemplating what to do.
Everyone wanted the Giants to lose week 17 for the pick, but Eli could have led a game winner against the Cowboys to bookend the Game winner in 2004 week 17. Would have been cool, but was not meant to be. His last pass, perhaps ever, was a strike to Latimer that was contested and he could come up with.
But I think you have it right, the Eli era is done.
If he comes back, it is for a care-taker role only. It is unlikely that they make the playoffs next year with or without him. DG probably told him that they need to extend his contract to create cap space for him to stay.
He has alot to think about.
-- Is the reduced money he's likely been offered worth it?
-- Will he get more from another team that's closer to the post-season?
-- Does he want to play on what will likely be another losing team?
-- Is the above wrong? Does he think he has another playoff run in him? Will the team be good enough?
-- Does he want to risk his health?
-- Is it time to retire and raise his family?
This is a great way to sum it up. There are so many factors that are going into the decision as to who the Giants QB is next year. Both from the Giants standpoint and Eli’s.
Does he take a pay cut? Most likely not, but is anyone paying him that salary? Most likely not. So how bad does he want to play?
Do th Giants target one of the awful free agent options?
Do they like Haskins or do they have their eyes on one of the gems in 2030? In which case Eli makes the most sense next year. But again, at what price that compromises you getting free agents you need to compete? That also help Eli.
“Hey Eli, we want you next year, but we really need some cap space to fix that OL!”
We could go over 100 different scenarios.