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Good to see the NFL Hold Refs Accountable

FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 8:50 am
The ref assignments are out for the playoff games this weekend, and the NFL has rewarded Walt Anderson and Tony Corrente with assignments.

Anderson and Corrente have been on the field for several controversial calls this year and are rewarded with postseason games. Anderson's game is note-worthy to us because it is the Cowboys-Seahawk game. Corrente gets the eagles-Bears. So basically, the two worst refs will get the ones involving the NFC East teams.

The other two refs this weekend - Bill Vinovich and Clete Blakeman have been two of the better crews, yet they only get a Wild Card game

But here's one thing to really look for - Walt Coleman is retiring after this year. He has botched several high-profile calls just in this year and his crew is among the leaders in throwing penalty flags (along with Anderson's).

He is an odds on favorite to officiate the Super Bowl since this 30th year of his career will be his last.

An additional kick in the nuts is that 3 of the 4 best crews are manned by rookie refs. But you know what the NFL does? Makes rookie refs ineligible to work in the playoffs. So, instead of a decent Clay Martin or Sean Smith, we'll likely get to see Jerome Boger ref a critical playoff game.



Can't make it up  
BlueHurricane : 1/4/2019 8:57 am : link
NFL officiating has literally ruined the game for me.

Was talking with my old man the other day who I have watched football with for almost 35 years. We were saying that the NFL has basically turned in to that old game show Press Your Luck. You run a play and when the play is over you wait to see if you "stopped on a whammy"

Fucking sucks.
Any game refereed by  
section125 : 1/4/2019 8:59 am : link
Walt Anderson or Jerome Booger is a travesty of justice. I think Anderson loves to hear his voice on the stadium speakers. Awful referee and IMV the worst in the NFL by a wide margin.
The Penalty Flag  
BlueHurricane : 1/4/2019 8:59 am : link
The league should actually look in to making flags more fun.
Whammy!! - ( New Window )
It is funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 9:00 am : link
I was watching games with friends the other day and after every 3rd down play, you really do pause and look for the yellow box to pop up.

If anyone saw the end of the Packers-Jets game, you really couldn't make up that some of those flags would fly. The Jets were called for 4 defensive penalties in OT to extend 3rd down stops, and I'm not sure a single one was legit.
I'll call it now like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 9:01 am : link
I did before Boger ass raped the Giants in Carolina.

Anderson will severely impact the outcome of the Dallas game.
I always thought NFL refs got playoff assignments  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 1/4/2019 9:02 am : link
based on ratings compiled during the year. But it is not uncommon, whether right or wrong, to see young guys, even if good, get overlooked.

I've never been a big fan of Coleman or Anderson and Corrente doesn't seem to be the same referee after his comeback from cancer.

If there are controversial calls made by these guys, the NFL will look bad again.
Al Michaels made a Vinovich comment  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/4/2019 9:06 am : link
during the TEN-IND game that implied that he's been doing most of the SNF games.
RE: Can't make it up  
Jints in Carolina : 1/4/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14246939 BlueHurricane said:
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NFL officiating has literally ruined the game for me.

Was talking with my old man the other day who I have watched football with for almost 35 years. We were saying that the NFL has basically turned in to that old game show Press Your Luck. You run a play and when the play is over you wait to see if you "stopped on a whammy"

So damn true....my dad and I wait for the flag to be thrown after every play.

Fucking sucks.
The fact that we are discussing Ref's by their  
bradshaw44 : 1/4/2019 9:28 am : link
actual names tells you there is a problem with officiating.
RE: NFL officiating has literally ruined the game for me.  
Trainmaster : 1/4/2019 9:28 am : link
+1
Fortunately the Giants weren't impacted...  
M.S. : 1/4/2019 9:41 am : link

...by any bad calls this season.

Walt Anderson  
Mike in NY : 1/4/2019 9:52 am : link
A bit surprised he is working a Wild Card game, but with 4 Referees ineligible out of 17 and 10 open spots unless the league uses Wild Card officials in the Conference Championship games, that means a Referee who potentially would be ranked #14 if you actually ranked versus putting officals in "tiers" is getting a playoff assignment. Personally I understand the logic of not having officials in their first year in the league being assigned a playoff game, but all of this year's first year Referees have playoff experience at their prior positions so not likely to be like a deer in the headlights. Clay Martin and Shawn Smith would have both clearly received a playoff assignment if I were in charge and could assign rookie Referees. Shawn Hochuli would probably have been borderline. Alex Kemp I just did not see enough. Another thing to keep in mind is that officials are not working the playoffs with their entire regular season crews so a Referee who might have graded out high at his position, but was on a lousy crew will be officiating the playoffs with others who are better than that.
RE: Fortunately the Giants weren't impacted...  
cjac : 1/4/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14247017 M.S. said:
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...by any bad calls this season.


the only thing that bothered me all year, and still bothers me, is the NON call on Odell at the end of the Eagle game
I'm highly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 10:04 am : link
bothered and still can't figure out how Landon Collins committed a personal foul by making an interception.

It surpassed "tackling by the helmet" or the moving of the ball during a measurement as one of the most unexplained penalties ever against us.

Keep in mind that Jerome Boger, who reffed that game will probably get an assignment.

But think about accountability. The female official who awarded the redskins a fumble that was clearly recovered by a Browns player who started running with the ball will work a playoff game, and was never disciplined, and even supported for making that call.
RE: I'm highly..  
section125 : 1/4/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14247046 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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bothered and still can't figure out how Landon Collins committed a personal foul by making an interception.

It surpassed "tackling by the helmet" or the moving of the ball during a measurement as one of the most unexplained penalties ever against us.



Completely forgot that one.

The whole targeting, helmet on helmet call is so opinionated that it is about as stupid a penalty that there is. Saturday they threw a Miss St kid out of the game when the WR was just as guilty. The WR dropped his head (hey reflex action to an impending hit) and the Miss St player grazed the WRs helmet with his. Whose fault was it? Had the WR not lowered his head, the Miss St kid would have hit the WR in the chest.

The Collins one is a head scratcher - especially since he caught the int...he has a right to the ball in the air as much as the WR.

I understand the intent. But if both players drop their heads, then either they are both gone or it is nothing.
RE: RE: Fortunately the Giants weren't impacted...  
M.S. : 1/4/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14247041 cjac said:
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In comment 14247017 M.S. said:


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...by any bad calls this season.




the only thing that bothered me all year, and still bothers me, is the NON call on Odell at the end of the Eagle game


Ugh... that really SU**ED!!!
we typically get ass raped  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/4/2019 11:15 am : link
multiple times a year... its really sad..
Anderson and Boger should be fired
When you...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 11:16 am : link
look at some of the calls the league has apologized for, the onest hey haven't are even more glaring.

Just in week 16, they apologized for a PI call in the Jets-Packers game, but said nothing about the ridiculous PI in the end zone in the Steelers-Saints game.

Worse yet, Blandino pointed out that the ref making the call was shielded and couldn't tell if Kamara was pushed or not - so how the hell can he throw a flag??

To me, throwing a flag for something you didn't see is far worse than anything else as the ref is assuming something - and it is rampant in today's game.
Why  
afann : 1/4/2019 11:31 am : link
Is the NFL so worried about having the ref on the field make the call when there is a review. Why doní they have on centralized place in NY that handles all reviews? This way, at least, the reviewable call may be consistent.
RE: RE: Fortunately the Giants weren't impacted...  
Eman11 : 1/4/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14247041 cjac said:
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In comment 14247017 M.S. said:


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...by any bad calls this season.




the only thing that bothered me all year, and still bothers me, is the NON call on Odell at the end of the Eagle game


Seems the refs don't look closely enough at legs as I'm still pissed at the missed trip on Tomlinson when the Giants had Brees and the Saints backed up deep.

Probably wouldn't have been a safety but I sure would've liked to see how that drive and rest of the game would've went if there was a penalty called there.
Maybe the pendulum is finally swinging back  
fanofthejets : 1/4/2019 11:49 am : link
This can all go away if they just let defensive players play a little more defense. Some handfighting and contact is ok. Gently tapping the QB 0.2 seconds after he throws the ball does not need to be flagged. As does grazing his facemask while trying to bat the ball.

But if the league actually does this we won't have all those wonderful cartoonish fantasy stats they love to inflate. They want more scoring, more offense, extended drives. And they've totally legislated defense out of the sport to do it
There are far..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 11:53 am : link
too many calls made that don't impact the play or that bail out a team on a poor 3rd down play.

I'm sure fanofthejets saw this, but in OT of the Packers-Jets game, Rodgers literally threw up a jumpball on 3rd down, his WR ran out of bounds and when coming back into play, the Jets DB and he jumped for the ball. The Jets DB was flagged for PI despite never contacting the WR.

New set of downs instead of a punt. Eventual winning TD. Game over.
I liked when the female ref  
B in ALB : 1/4/2019 12:06 pm : link
threw her flag into the stands a couple years ago on yet another bad call. That was fun.
The fact Goodel  
ajr2456 : 1/4/2019 12:16 pm : link
has done nothing to solve the ref issue is gross incompetence.

As long as the NFL keeps printing money they wont make a change.
The new refs..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 12:32 pm : link
seem to be fairly competent and steps have been taken in regards to having them be full-time, but I agree that not enough attention is placed there.

They really need to revamp the entire way the replay system is done, especially since the on-field calls are so inconsistent.
What BlueHurricane said  
Red Dog : 1/4/2019 12:33 pm : link
I've been watching pro football since 1955, but I have largely given up watching the NFL except for some of the time when it's the GIANTS or the Bills. I don't even watch them all the time anymore either.

NFL officiating has gone way past incompetent. I am really beginning to think it is fixed.
If it were fixed..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/4/2019 12:41 pm : link
it wouldn't seemingly be a weekly luckfest on who spun the Wheel of Incompetence. Even within a game, there seem to be inexplicable calls that will benefit/harm both teams.

You'd be hard pressed to find any one score game that didn't have a bad call influence the outcome, and it is almost always having to do with a defensive penalty - defensive holding or illegal contact that extends a drive on a 3rd down stop - even when replays show a defender either not making contact or not initiating contact.

And unfortunately, those calls wouldn't be fixed going to the college system or by modifying replay
Do you  
afann : 1/4/2019 1:59 pm : link
Know how many people would have to be in on the fix? In todayís age of technology somebody would let it out. Just like the moon landing..too many people involved for it to be fixed.
Who saw the ref's spot the Saints 2 TD's  
RobCrossRiver56 : 1/4/2019 2:42 pm : link

VS the Steelers on phantom pass interference calls to start the game?

That was fun...
RE: I liked when the female ref  
Greg from LI : 1/4/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14247241 B in ALB said:
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threw her flag into the stands a couple years ago on yet another bad call. That was fun.


Was that before or after she gave the Redskins a fumble recovery that Duke Johnson popped right up out a pile with?
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