not at the 23 million cap number? That’s the message I got from Gettleman in the press conference. Seems like they were OK with his performance this season, but they know they need to upgrade the position. They are ready to move on if he doesn’t rework his contract.
The question remains, what is that better option. If they draft a quarterback then probably Eli stays to finish his contract. If they sign a FA like Foles, he s gone.
Don’t think they know yet.
So not only is Eli's salary/bonus too much for a full season of his play, it would be ridiculous for a half season.
DG has to do his players rankings (and other existing options) and figure out if he wants to commit to Eli's roster bonus prior to the draft.
I wouldn't...
Look for his base next season to be 13-14 with 3-4 mil in incentives.
Or he will retire. Mark my words Eli will not wear any other jersey but a Giants.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Look for his base next season to be 13-14 with 3-4 mil in incentives.
Or he will retire. Mark my words Eli will not wear any other jersey but a Giants.
Eli could have a great season, and the team still might not make the playoffs(I know that's a reach).....
You are either paying him 17M, or you are cutting him or trying to trade him(maybe DG talked about who he would be willing to go to if Eli waved the no trade clause).....
Yup Peyton Did. Playoffs are reachable Super Bowl will be the long shot unreachable one.
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
As DG has stated, you get this wrong and the team will be in QB hell for years to come
...by having Eli Manning back for one more year AT A REDUCED salary, and maybe with a little luck put up a respectable 8-8 / 9-7 record, and then allow our future HOF QB to sail into the sunset.
And if he is very lucky, Gettleman somehow, someway secures the services of a future franchise QB who sits and learns for a year with Eli at the helm
The scenarios Gettleman wants to avoid:
(1) Cutting Eli and then going 4-12;
(2) Keeping Eli AT CURRENT SALARY and going 8-8;
(3) Cutting Eli and brining in a short-term QB solution who has a mediocre season;
Jerry Reese created a gigantic, dark box with 15 doors, but only one of them will lead the Giants out of their current misery. Dave Gettleman needs to find that ONE door!
Good Luck!
I would not be in favor of a re worked contract that moves a portion of his salary into 2020 and 2021.Better to take the total hit this year.
It is hard for a fan to know what Eli wants.Possible he would reduce contract from 23 million to 18 or 19 million with more based on incentives in return for work within the organization when his playing days are over.Eli would be a great asset for PR and for teaching young players what it is to be a professional
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
This is definitely a 2 way street, its not just DG asking ELi for something (like a paycut which I doubt). Eli is asking for the team to show him something, what that is we can only speculate.
I would guess it's about a win now scenario that doesn't include drafting a QB.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Most reasonable of all the possibilities.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
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when his $5million roster bonus is due.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Most reasonable of all the possibilities.
In my view that only works if his real money goes down as well and doesn't just shift the cap hit from one year to the next. But as I stated in my last post, I don't think they touch his contract.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
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Brady restructured his contract and lost 5 million this year because he didn't reach the goals.
True, in 2018 he took a cut in salary and replaced it with performance bonus that were all met. He took a pay cut in 2012 to clear $7M in cap space for the team. And he has also restructured a few times to lower his cap hit.
He’s made an obscene amount of money as QB so let’s not shed tears or cry foul for Eli. If he refuses to, I would support the Giants cutting him and I wouldn’t knock Eli for not doing it on his own.
Giants can play hardball. I don’t agree with people who say Giants have no leverage. They’re a crappy team with Eli they can be a crappy team without him. I’d rather they start making the changes now including planning and cap clearing or setting the decks for a new future at QB.
That knocks his cap hit for 2019 to about 14.5 million so the NYG get 8.5 million cap relief in 2019.
Keep him in 2020 and his cap hit for 2020 would be about 13 million. Cut him an his cap number is 10 mil.
I am a little fuzzy on these numbers - and Eli may not go for it -- but it makes sense for both sides.
And if .... Eli has a suberb 2019, you can adjust slightly up by adding another year without killing the cap.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
Next year should be a very different story as the 2020 QB draft class is shaping up to be something that could be very deep.
Bomb for Fromm!
You get two OL in FA then in rd 1 you get a [ass rusher and rd 2 you take BPA defensive player-- you really think we're going to be in in Tua? This year we won 5 games while OL was god-awful, and missed OBJ. You don't think we'll be a 7 or 8 win team assuming those improvements?
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Bomb for Fromm!
Brady’s wife also makes more than him. I can confidently say Abby does not.
I would be very surprised if Janoris Jenkins is cut. The Giants are very thin at CB already.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
I said it earlier in the thread, but the following works in Eli's favor:
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
Next year should be a very different story as the 2020 QB draft class is shaping up to be something that could be very deep.
I’m sorry but none of that is actual leverage for Eli when you look in the totality of the situation and assess the team and Eli. These as you mention are factors for Gettleman to consider but Eli has absolutely no leverage to force the Giants hand to his benefit. Giants can easily cut him and stink next year and be fine with it. Giants don’t need Eli anymore. It sounds cold and heartless but he’s really a non factor now and going forward.
So not only is Eli's salary/bonus too much for a full season of his play, it would be ridiculous for a half season.
DG has to do his players rankings (and other existing options) and figure out if he wants to commit to Eli's roster bonus prior to the draft.
I wouldn't...
Like a Nassib, Webb, or a Lauletta?
He’s made an obscene amount of money as QB so let’s not shed tears or cry foul for Eli. If he refuses to, I would support the Giants cutting him and I wouldn’t knock Eli for not doing it on his own.
Giants can play hardball. I don’t agree with people who say Giants have no leverage. They’re a crappy team with Eli they can be a crappy team without him. I’d rather they start making the changes now including planning and cap clearing or setting the decks for a new future at QB.
Yes they are a crappy team with Eli. And keeping him around only extends the crappiness, not only for next year but also the year after since the next QB won’t have snaps under center to develop and move up the learning curve.
A path to nowhere...
I don't believe the CBA allows a deal like that. Re-working a deal reduces salary, but not the total deal. It gets converted to guaranteed money and then amortized over an extension.
Article 4, Section 5, Sub-section d of the CBA provides as follows:
being terminated is anticipated to make less of a contribution to the Club’s ability to compete on the playing field than another player or players whom the Club intends to sign or attempt to sign, or another player or players who is or are already on the roster of such Club, and for whom the Club needs Room. This Subsection shall not affect any Club or Club Affiliate’s obligation to pay a player any guaranteed consideration.
Note the final two words: "guaranteed consideration". The remaining $17M of Eli's contract is non-guaranteed consideration.
The plain meaning of this section is that the Giants are free to terminate Eli's existing contract with no further obligation and the two parties are then free to enter into a new contract, which can be for a different and lesser dollar amount.
I've attached a link to the CBA and invite anyone with a differing interpretation to cite a pertinent provision.
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There is really no other option. They may ask him to forgo his roster bonus. Along with similar cuts to OV and maybe Jenkins if they’re keeping them. That would give them enough to try and get maybe two starters plus sign their own.
I would be very surprised if Janoris Jenkins is cut. The Giants are very thin at CB already.
I'd agree but some kind of a salary cut is possible. That's more likely for him and especially OV.
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...by having Eli Manning back for one more year AT A REDUCED salary,
You can't change the last year of Eli's contract, WITHOUT extending him.....and he wouldn't do that if there wasn't something in it for him, like guaranteed money......it's a freakin' business....
You can cut him before March 17th....then re-sign him for less.....but his dead money, 6.2M, is on the books no matter what you do......it's there if you do nothing, cut him, or extend him....
Think Eli would go for that? I don't think so....think of it as pain and suffering damages.....
As for Brady, he never took a pay cut, per say, he just took less money than he could have asked, and he also took money up front, that lowered his cap....you guys make it sound like he is playing for nothing.....22M cap this year, 27M next year......and there are those questionable business dealings he has with the Patriots....
And like I asked, where are all those other qb's that have taken pay cuts?
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
And you know for a fact there’s no Franchise QB in this draft but there’s one in next years draft?
And this is exactly why not taking a QB instead of a RB last April was the better, logical move. We'd have a QB - whomever you want to argue for - gearing up for his second year with the transition plan fully activated. Imagine how much smoother this would be. Eli would know he's out, we'd have a QB solution, and there would be considerably less stress.
But let's keep crossing our fingers, rubbing a rabbit's foot, hunting for four leaf clovers, avoiding cracks in sidewalks, etc hoping now the men who created this predicament can figure it out. Get used to the cellar of the NFC East. It's going to be a while now...
Anyone thinks that the Eli-DG meeting was the decision moment - well, I think you're way wrong.
Anyone thinks that the Eli-DG meeting was the decision moment - well, I think you're way wrong.
No they do not. Stop taking Shurmurs comments as gospel.
And this is exactly why not taking a QB instead of a RB last April was the better, logical move. We'd have a QB - whomever you want to argue for - gearing up for his second year with the transition plan fully activated. Imagine how much smoother this would be. Eli would know he's out, we'd have a QB solution, and there would be considerably less stress.
But let's keep crossing our fingers, rubbing a rabbit's foot, hunting for four leaf clovers, avoiding cracks in sidewalks, etc hoping now the men who created this predicament can figure it out. Get used to the cellar of the NFC East. It's going to be a while now...
bw, imagine if the Giants end up with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Eason in 2020. I was a huge fan of Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen but I like Fromm's upside more as I do for 2021 options Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. If the Giants get Fromm in 2020 to pair with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram then this team will be a perennial contender IMO.
Why wouldn't we take Gettleman at his word? He's proven not be a poker player with his thoughts and emotions. He's admitted as much - what you see and hear it what you get.
And he basically said he there is no decision on the QB spot and it's going to take time to vet it out.
Do you really think a QB solution is finalized?
If they think that they should be fired immediately.
Everyone's been planning for this moment - Owners, DG, Shurmur, Eli, his agent - and I'm sure a few other teams in the league.
BBI get over yourselves.
If Gettleman thought Eli has a few years left why hasn't he begun extension talks? Why does Eli sound on the fence about retirement? There is nothing from Eli's private meeting with Gettleman that supports the theory that Gettleman thinks Eli has several years left.
All that's involved here and everyone left it up to Eli to broach teh subject after the season. Really?
What is the benefit for the Giants for DG to say, at this moment, - "we know what we're going to do re: Eli?"
bw, imagine if the Giants end up with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Eason in 2020. I was a huge fan of Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen but I like Fromm's upside more as I do for 2021 options Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. If the Giants get Fromm in 2020 to pair with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram then this team will be a perennial contender IMO.
I get it, but in order to secure the best spot with your plan we'd need to tank 2019. I'm all for that. So who is your QB in '19 to make that happen?
Everyone's been planning for this moment - Owners, DG, Shurmur, Eli, his agent - and I'm sure a few other teams in the league.
Do you actually believe anything you just wrote?
With all due respect, I can't believe you just wrote that with a straight face. Especially after the debacle in 2017 and the off-season in 2018.
I'm sure bw knows better , he always does - but yeah I do.
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bw, imagine if the Giants end up with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Eason in 2020. I was a huge fan of Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen but I like Fromm's upside more as I do for 2021 options Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. If the Giants get Fromm in 2020 to pair with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram then this team will be a perennial contender IMO.
I get it, but in order to secure the best spot with your plan we'd need to tank 2019. I'm all for that. So who is your QB in '19 to make that happen?
If Eli is gone then the potential replacements are underwhelming at best. They could bring in a Ryan Fitzpatrick type or go with a guy like RG3, Bradford, etc. That should be enough to secure the Giants a top 5 pick.
Maybe they like to want him Looking over the kids shoulder but it’s better than the alteranative. Sure Shurmur could make it work w a Foles but they arent winning much w a guy like that and he’d probably want more than one year. Think there’s a way to make this work. But Eli will have to be realistic
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bw, imagine if the Giants end up with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Eason in 2020. I was a huge fan of Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen but I like Fromm's upside more as I do for 2021 options Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. If the Giants get Fromm in 2020 to pair with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram then this team will be a perennial contender IMO.
I get it, but in order to secure the best spot with your plan we'd need to tank 2019. I'm all for that. So who is your QB in '19 to make that happen?
You might be ok with tanking in 19 but I don't think there's any way in hell Management is ok with that,and I'm willing to bet most fans aren't either.
I'm not sure what the answer is right this moment but I am sure tanking isn't on their to do list. In fact I think just the opposite is true. If they felt we could compete this past year, I'm thinking they feel with a good draft and FA signings they'd be even more competitive next year.
...by having Eli Manning back for one more year AT A REDUCED salary, and maybe with a little luck put up a respectable 8-8 / 9-7 record, and then allow our future HOF QB to sail into the sunset.
And if he is very lucky, Gettleman somehow, someway secures the services of a future franchise QB who sits and learns for a year with Eli at the helm
The scenarios Gettleman wants to avoid:
(1) Cutting Eli and then going 4-12;
(2) Keeping Eli AT CURRENT SALARY and going 8-8;
(3) Cutting Eli and brining in a short-term QB solution who has a mediocre season;
Jerry Reese created a gigantic, dark box with 15 doors, but only one of them will lead the Giants out of their current misery. Dave Gettleman needs to find that ONE door!
Good Luck!
Eli setting sail into the sunset with a respectable record should not factor into the Giants planning.
Seems like you only take certain words and not really what he says.
You've concocted an entire conspiratorial scenario where Gettleman was hired on a mandate to usher eli to another SB run and to build around him. That they passed on a QB because of a mandate, ignoring Gettleman's words that he thought Barkley was one of the best players he ever scouted.
And when Gettleman said he has a plan for the team or when he said that certain players were brought here to improve the attitude and culture, you scoff at those words.
You can't have it both ways, but then again, when you believe wild conspiracy theories I guess anything is on the table.
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
2017 was supposedly a mediocre year for QBs. Thus far it is
Looking damn good. Let’s wait and see before saying there are no
QBs in this draft.
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bw, imagine if the Giants end up with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Eason in 2020. I was a huge fan of Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen but I like Fromm's upside more as I do for 2021 options Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. If the Giants get Fromm in 2020 to pair with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram then this team will be a perennial contender IMO.
I get it, but in order to secure the best spot with your plan we'd need to tank 2019. I'm all for that. So who is your QB in '19 to make that happen?
You might be ok with tanking in 19 but I don't think there's any way in hell Management is ok with that,and I'm willing to bet most fans aren't either.
I'm not sure what the answer is right this moment but I am sure tanking isn't on their to do list. In fact I think just the opposite is true. If they felt we could compete this past year, I'm thinking they feel with a good draft and FA signings they'd be even more competitive next year.
If management thought having a good draft and and free angency is a possibility this year, why not commit to Eli then?
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.....so we can Tank for Tua. It's the perfect plan.
You get two OL in FA then in rd 1 you get a [ass rusher and rd 2 you take BPA defensive player-- you really think we're going to be in in Tua? This year we won 5 games while OL was god-awful, and missed OBJ. You don't think we'll be a 7 or 8 win team assuming those improvements?
Exactly!
You might be ok with tanking in 19 but I don't think there's any way in hell Management is ok with that,and I'm willing to bet most fans aren't either.
I'm not sure what the answer is right this moment but I am sure tanking isn't on their to do list. In fact I think just the opposite is true. If they felt we could compete this past year, I'm thinking they feel with a good draft and FA signings they'd be even more competitive next year.
I never said I was ok with tanking. Looking back in a few years I will say it was a good thing that the Giants ended up with one of the top QB's in the draft but I wasn't suggesting that management just throw in the towel for 2019. The truth is there aren't many good answers at the QB position especially if Eli retires or leaves. The Giants will be forced to sign a stopgap type. The Giants will have a difficult time competing in that scenario.
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.....so we can Tank for Tua. It's the perfect plan.
You get two OL in FA then in rd 1 you get a [ass rusher and rd 2 you take BPA defensive player-- you really think we're going to be in in Tua? This year we won 5 games while OL was god-awful, and missed OBJ. You don't think we'll be a 7 or 8 win team assuming those improvements?
First, all the other teams are making moves to improve year after year as well. You're also assuming that the draft picks won't bust, and that we'll enjoy relative good health. The Giants, all things considered, were a 5 win team with a pretty healthy roster for most of the season.
Next year, who knows? We lose a couple of key starters to IR early and it's a wasted year. I'm not assuming anything a year away. All I know is that the Giants pick in 2020 will be somewhere between 1-32, and all outcomes are possible. Sure, the earliest and latest picks are more unlikely, but you can't rule anything out.
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.....so we can Tank for Tua. It's the perfect plan.
You get two OL in FA then in rd 1 you get a [ass rusher and rd 2 you take BPA defensive player-- you really think we're going to be in in Tua? This year we won 5 games while OL was god-awful, and missed OBJ. You don't think we'll be a 7 or 8 win team assuming those improvements?
First, all the other teams are making moves to improve year after year as well. You're also assuming that the draft picks won't bust, and that we'll enjoy relative good health. The Giants, all things considered, were a 5 win team with a pretty healthy roster for most of the season.
Next year, who knows? We lose a couple of key starters to IR early and it's a wasted year. I'm not assuming anything a year away. All I know is that the Giants pick in 2020 will be somewhere between 1-32, and all outcomes are possible. Sure, the earliest and latest picks are more unlikely, but you can't rule anything out.
You're right. The Giants were blessed this season in terms of health. If Barkley goes on IR at any point next season the Giants won't have to trade up for a QB because they will be picking in the top 3.
I think that is what will happen. You don't have a "brutally honest" conversation unless there is some bad news. In this case, it makes sense that the bad news was a pay cut. Eli may have "taken him to the low post" by pointing out what a mess the OL was at the beginning of the year. I hope this is how it plays out. The extra money could be used on OL. Get defense in the draft.
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that Gettleman doesn't have a plan? You might not like his plan or disagree with it but that doesn't mean he doesn't have one. Does anyone honestly think that Gettleman just planned on 37 year old Eli being here and playing well for several seasons without any other contingency plans? Is the earth flat or round?
So, you can either surmise they are doing it just to be right, or just out of frustration, but whatever it is - it isn't out of logic.
Hell, the way Gettleman purged the team, you'd even have to say the plan was to change the culture and weed out the weak players and malcontents from the previous regime. And while that plan can be disagreed with as a way to go about team building, there should be absolutely no argument that that plan has been executed.
So I do think the plan may have changed a bit from where we were going into the season.
I also don't think there's an obvious plan on the QB front. There are so many issues right now that I think that's fine - I suspect we'll have at least another year or two of high draft picks and hopefully find a solution soon.
I also don't think there's an obvious plan on the QB front. There are so many issues right now that I think that's fine - I suspect we'll have at least another year or two of high draft picks and hopefully find a solution soon.
Same here. I don't think there was no plan, just not a very good one - and I'm not sure they're sticking to the same plan (which can be viewed positively or negatively).
I think a lot of people thought the transition from Eli to the next QB was going to be clean, and that was a mistake. I think our FO believed that as well. And now - it doesn't look like there's much of a plan on that front, at least in the immediate term. It really does seem like it's 'hey, 2020 isn't that far off'.
Seems like you only take certain words and not really what he says.
You've concocted an entire conspiratorial scenario where Gettleman was hired on a mandate to usher eli to another SB run and to build around him. That they passed on a QB because of a mandate, ignoring Gettleman's words that he thought Barkley was one of the best players he ever scouted.
And when Gettleman said he has a plan for the team or when he said that certain players were brought here to improve the attitude and culture, you scoff at those words.
You can't have it both ways, but then again, when you believe wild conspiracy theories I guess anything is on the table.
Here are Gettleman's words from his press conference in this question/answer exchange:
[i}Q: Are you committed to having Eli back next year?
A: Here’s what I’m committed to do. I’m committed to making the best decision in the interest of the New York Football Giants. That’s what I’m committed to do. We’re in the evaluation process. I know that you guys want answers now, but very frankly, I didn’t come in yesterday. I’ve got to do what I do, which is get in my office and watch film.... [/i]
Seems to be a fairly easy interpretation - there is no plan yet for QB. And that's all I said. If we had drafted a QB last April, we would be able to start the smooth transition from Eli to his successor. Instead, this is still messy trying to solve for X.
You might be ok with tanking in 19 but I don't think there's any way in hell Management is ok with that,and I'm willing to bet most fans aren't either.
I'm not sure what the answer is right this moment but I am sure tanking isn't on their to do list. In fact I think just the opposite is true. If they felt we could compete this past year, I'm thinking they feel with a good draft and FA signings they'd be even more competitive next year.
I was just extrapolating out how to make Jay's plan work to draft one of the top QBs in 2020. Unless we were to put together a massive package to draft up, the best way to get there is to tank 2019.
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You might be ok with tanking in 19 but I don't think there's any way in hell Management is ok with that,and I'm willing to bet most fans aren't either.
I'm not sure what the answer is right this moment but I am sure tanking isn't on their to do list. In fact I think just the opposite is true. If they felt we could compete this past year, I'm thinking they feel with a good draft and FA signings they'd be even more competitive next year.
I never said I was ok with tanking. Looking back in a few years I will say it was a good thing that the Giants ended up with one of the top QB's in the draft but I wasn't suggesting that management just throw in the towel for 2019. The truth is there aren't many good answers at the QB position especially if Eli retires or leaves. The Giants will be forced to sign a stopgap type. The Giants will have a difficult time competing in that scenario.
Sorry Jay, I was responding to bw and included your post by mistake in the quote.
"Kind of" restructuring is just wasting time and playing games...
Makes sense.
Well considering he had a great game against the Texans with a shit OL early in the year, I'd say yes he would do it again behind the Colts OL.
I also think he'd give Dallas a better chance than with Dak.
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before the draft due to money?
Over money? We are right up against the cap!
That might be the worst take on the situation yet.
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In my view if the giants ask Eli to take a pay cut that means they simply don’t want him back next season. They can say or plead anything they want but it’s all bullshit. Asking a 15 year vet to take a paycut is a sure fire way of losing that player. And it’s just like the giants to play it this way if it were to go down like this. I’m nof buying that it will end this way but if the giants low ball Eli he’s going to quit in my view.
Seriously, who the F really cares if Eli 'quits'. You just saw what we are with Eli and arguably the best roster of skill position players in the league. 5-11 and 3-13. That's who fucking Eli is now.
Literally anyone else we plug in there next year after Eli quits can do 5-11 and 3-13. At 1/4 the cost. And maybe a QB with a dimension of escapability makes #13 and #26 that much more dangerous.
What is the downside of Eli quitting? 5-11 or 3-13? Been there, done that. At 38 with obvious limitations that defenses exploit on a week to week basis the change is coming and there is literally no downside to Eli quitting if he doesn't take a major paycut. Someone in the 'few more years' crowd please enlighten me as to what you are afraid of in terms of moving on from bottom 5 QB play at high salary? Trying to be civil, please do the same.
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djm : 7:33 pm : link
In my view if the giants ask Eli to take a pay cut that means they simply don’t want him back next season. They can say or plead anything they want but it’s all bullshit. Asking a 15 year vet to take a paycut is a sure fire way of losing that player. And it’s just like the giants to play it this way if it were to go down like this. I’m nof buying that it will end this way but if the giants low ball Eli he’s going to quit in my view.
Seriously, who the F really cares if Eli 'quits'. You just saw what we are with Eli and arguably the best roster of skill position players in the league. 5-11 and 3-13. That's who fucking Eli is now.
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Trying to be civil, please do the same.
Sounds legit. Ask for people to be civil, but start their post with "who the F really cares".
Get lost, child.
So what do you really expect to be debated?
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We’re not winning shit this year. Might as well build the rest of the roster and draft a potential franchise QB this year or next. If he’s there this year, take him. If not, with only a cheap option at QB, it’s unlikely we’ll win many games and likely we’ll get a top pick in 2020 for a QB then.
if that isn't the definition of tanking, I don't know what is.....and what about all this talk this year of playing to win games to have a winning attitude? Then we wasted 5 wins....
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I’ll take this opinion to my grave and never waver
djm : 7:33 pm : link
In my view if the giants ask Eli to take a pay cut that means they simply don’t want him back next season. They can say or plead anything they want but it’s all bullshit. Asking a 15 year vet to take a paycut is a sure fire way of losing that player. And it’s just like the giants to play it this way if it were to go down like this. I’m nof buying that it will end this way but if the giants low ball Eli he’s going to quit in my view.
Seriously, who the F really cares if Eli 'quits'. You just saw what we are with Eli and arguably the best roster of skill position players in the league. 5-11 and 3-13. That's who fucking Eli is now.
Literally anyone else we plug in there next year after Eli quits can do 5-11 and 3-13. At 1/4 the cost. And maybe a QB with a dimension of escapability makes #13 and #26 that much more dangerous.
What is the downside of Eli quitting? 5-11 or 3-13? Been there, done that. At 38 with obvious limitations that defenses exploit on a week to week basis the change is coming and there is literally no downside to Eli quitting if he doesn't take a major paycut. Someone in the 'few more years' crowd please enlighten me as to what you are afraid of in terms of moving on from bottom 5 QB play at high salary? Trying to be civil, please do the same.
Who said I was mad if Eli quit? I said I felt that if the giants low ball Eli it’s just their way of saying they want to move on. I’m not sure what I “want” to see this offseason I just know I want to win.
Just save me the bullshit that the giants wanted Eli back if the paycut comes with it. That’s a load of PR crap.
Not saying Eli has been the problem, just that he hasn’t been the solution. And with each passing year, the chances of him being an important part of the solution diminish. As I’ve said repeatedly, I’d love to see him finish his career with an Elway-style flourish; but the team just isn’t there, aside from the Davis/Barkley parallel.
The one year that they weren't lower than 20th? 2016
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Team will waste a 1st round pick this year and draft a qb from this mediocre class. Then miss out on an actual franchise qb from next years draft.
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
2017 was supposedly a mediocre year for QBs. Thus far it is
Looking damn good. Let’s wait and see before saying there are no
QBs in this draft.
Good point.