not at the 23 million cap number? That’s the message I got from Gettleman in the press conference. Seems like they were OK with his performance this season, but they know they need to upgrade the position. They are ready to move on if he doesn’t rework his contract.
The question remains, what is that better option. If they draft a quarterback then probably Eli stays to finish his contract. If they sign a FA like Foles, he s gone.
Don’t think they know yet.
So not only is Eli's salary/bonus too much for a full season of his play, it would be ridiculous for a half season.
DG has to do his players rankings (and other existing options) and figure out if he wants to commit to Eli's roster bonus prior to the draft.
I wouldn't...
Look for his base next season to be 13-14 with 3-4 mil in incentives.
Or he will retire. Mark my words Eli will not wear any other jersey but a Giants.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Look for his base next season to be 13-14 with 3-4 mil in incentives.
Or he will retire. Mark my words Eli will not wear any other jersey but a Giants.
Eli could have a great season, and the team still might not make the playoffs(I know that's a reach).....
You are either paying him 17M, or you are cutting him or trying to trade him(maybe DG talked about who he would be willing to go to if Eli waved the no trade clause).....
Yup Peyton Did. Playoffs are reachable Super Bowl will be the long shot unreachable one.
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
As DG has stated, you get this wrong and the team will be in QB hell for years to come
...by having Eli Manning back for one more year AT A REDUCED salary, and maybe with a little luck put up a respectable 8-8 / 9-7 record, and then allow our future HOF QB to sail into the sunset.
And if he is very lucky, Gettleman somehow, someway secures the services of a future franchise QB who sits and learns for a year with Eli at the helm
The scenarios Gettleman wants to avoid:
(1) Cutting Eli and then going 4-12;
(2) Keeping Eli AT CURRENT SALARY and going 8-8;
(3) Cutting Eli and brining in a short-term QB solution who has a mediocre season;
Jerry Reese created a gigantic, dark box with 15 doors, but only one of them will lead the Giants out of their current misery. Dave Gettleman needs to find that ONE door!
Good Luck!
I would not be in favor of a re worked contract that moves a portion of his salary into 2020 and 2021.Better to take the total hit this year.
It is hard for a fan to know what Eli wants.Possible he would reduce contract from 23 million to 18 or 19 million with more based on incentives in return for work within the organization when his playing days are over.Eli would be a great asset for PR and for teaching young players what it is to be a professional
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
This is definitely a 2 way street, its not just DG asking ELi for something (like a paycut which I doubt). Eli is asking for the team to show him something, what that is we can only speculate.
I would guess it's about a win now scenario that doesn't include drafting a QB.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Most reasonable of all the possibilities.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
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when his $5million roster bonus is due.
I wouldn't be surprised if they extended him 1 year and reduced the cap hit this year doing so.
Most reasonable of all the possibilities.
In my view that only works if his real money goes down as well and doesn't just shift the cap hit from one year to the next. But as I stated in my last post, I don't think they touch his contract.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
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Brady restructured his contract and lost 5 million this year because he didn't reach the goals.
True, in 2018 he took a cut in salary and replaced it with performance bonus that were all met. He took a pay cut in 2012 to clear $7M in cap space for the team. And he has also restructured a few times to lower his cap hit.
He’s made an obscene amount of money as QB so let’s not shed tears or cry foul for Eli. If he refuses to, I would support the Giants cutting him and I wouldn’t knock Eli for not doing it on his own.
Giants can play hardball. I don’t agree with people who say Giants have no leverage. They’re a crappy team with Eli they can be a crappy team without him. I’d rather they start making the changes now including planning and cap clearing or setting the decks for a new future at QB.
That knocks his cap hit for 2019 to about 14.5 million so the NYG get 8.5 million cap relief in 2019.
Keep him in 2020 and his cap hit for 2020 would be about 13 million. Cut him an his cap number is 10 mil.
I am a little fuzzy on these numbers - and Eli may not go for it -- but it makes sense for both sides.
And if .... Eli has a suberb 2019, you can adjust slightly up by adding another year without killing the cap.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
Next year should be a very different story as the 2020 QB draft class is shaping up to be something that could be very deep.
Bomb for Fromm!
You get two OL in FA then in rd 1 you get a [ass rusher and rd 2 you take BPA defensive player-- you really think we're going to be in in Tua? This year we won 5 games while OL was god-awful, and missed OBJ. You don't think we'll be a 7 or 8 win team assuming those improvements?
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.....so we can Tank for Tua. It's the perfect plan.
Bomb for Fromm!
Brady’s wife also makes more than him. I can confidently say Abby does not.
I would be very surprised if Janoris Jenkins is cut. The Giants are very thin at CB already.
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I think he is on the team with his current deal or not.
I think Eli is too untouchable for a pay cut.
He does appear to have a slightly stronger hand than DG. Will he take one for the team?
How do? He’s a 38 yr old QB in decline on a poor team. If this was a team in contention and he was playing at high level you’d be right. Giants have lots of cover now to cut him outright without the outcry that happened from the benching.
I said it earlier in the thread, but the following works in Eli's favor:
- There is no one on the roster to replace Eli
- Cutting him and signing one of the FAs may be too expensive, particularly when you factor in the $6.2M of dead cap that comes with it
- None of the FA QBs appear to be the franchise type guy the team needs
- This year's draft class is very weak at QB
Next year should be a very different story as the 2020 QB draft class is shaping up to be something that could be very deep.
I’m sorry but none of that is actual leverage for Eli when you look in the totality of the situation and assess the team and Eli. These as you mention are factors for Gettleman to consider but Eli has absolutely no leverage to force the Giants hand to his benefit. Giants can easily cut him and stink next year and be fine with it. Giants don’t need Eli anymore. It sounds cold and heartless but he’s really a non factor now and going forward.
So not only is Eli's salary/bonus too much for a full season of his play, it would be ridiculous for a half season.
DG has to do his players rankings (and other existing options) and figure out if he wants to commit to Eli's roster bonus prior to the draft.
I wouldn't...
Like a Nassib, Webb, or a Lauletta?
He’s made an obscene amount of money as QB so let’s not shed tears or cry foul for Eli. If he refuses to, I would support the Giants cutting him and I wouldn’t knock Eli for not doing it on his own.
Giants can play hardball. I don’t agree with people who say Giants have no leverage. They’re a crappy team with Eli they can be a crappy team without him. I’d rather they start making the changes now including planning and cap clearing or setting the decks for a new future at QB.
Yes they are a crappy team with Eli. And keeping him around only extends the crappiness, not only for next year but also the year after since the next QB won’t have snaps under center to develop and move up the learning curve.
A path to nowhere...
I don't believe the CBA allows a deal like that. Re-working a deal reduces salary, but not the total deal. It gets converted to guaranteed money and then amortized over an extension.
Article 4, Section 5, Sub-section d of the CBA provides as follows:
being terminated is anticipated to make less of a contribution to the Club’s ability to compete on the playing field than another player or players whom the Club intends to sign or attempt to sign, or another player or players who is or are already on the roster of such Club, and for whom the Club needs Room. This Subsection shall not affect any Club or Club Affiliate’s obligation to pay a player any guaranteed consideration.
Note the final two words: "guaranteed consideration". The remaining $17M of Eli's contract is non-guaranteed consideration.
The plain meaning of this section is that the Giants are free to terminate Eli's existing contract with no further obligation and the two parties are then free to enter into a new contract, which can be for a different and lesser dollar amount.
I've attached a link to the CBA and invite anyone with a differing interpretation to cite a pertinent provision.
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There is really no other option. They may ask him to forgo his roster bonus. Along with similar cuts to OV and maybe Jenkins if they’re keeping them. That would give them enough to try and get maybe two starters plus sign their own.
I would be very surprised if Janoris Jenkins is cut. The Giants are very thin at CB already.
I'd agree but some kind of a salary cut is possible. That's more likely for him and especially OV.
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...by having Eli Manning back for one more year AT A REDUCED salary,
You can't change the last year of Eli's contract, WITHOUT extending him.....and he wouldn't do that if there wasn't something in it for him, like guaranteed money......it's a freakin' business....
You can cut him before March 17th....then re-sign him for less.....but his dead money, 6.2M, is on the books no matter what you do......it's there if you do nothing, cut him, or extend him....
Think Eli would go for that? I don't think so....think of it as pain and suffering damages.....
As for Brady, he never took a pay cut, per say, he just took less money than he could have asked, and he also took money up front, that lowered his cap....you guys make it sound like he is playing for nothing.....22M cap this year, 27M next year......and there are those questionable business dealings he has with the Patriots....
And like I asked, where are all those other qb's that have taken pay cuts?
Manning for another year, as this defense is about 5 players short of being good, then draft the qb next year.
Or sign foles, Manning is gone, and do above as well.
No vet qb available is really much of an upgrade (especially at the price they would command) over Manning. Unless Carr gets released and even he is more like a Kerry Collins then a elite.
And you know for a fact there’s no Franchise QB in this draft but there’s one in next years draft?
And this is exactly why not taking a QB instead of a RB last April was the better, logical move. We'd have a QB - whomever you want to argue for - gearing up for his second year with the transition plan fully activated. Imagine how much smoother this would be. Eli would know he's out, we'd have a QB solution, and there would be considerably less stress.
But let's keep crossing our fingers, rubbing a rabbit's foot, hunting for four leaf clovers, avoiding cracks in sidewalks, etc hoping now the men who created this predicament can figure it out. Get used to the cellar of the NFC East. It's going to be a while now...