1) Almost a guarantee Eli will be the QB in 2019. Only question is, do they extend him to lower the cap hit?
2) Another veteran QB is out of the question. Not happening.
3) No chance they draft Haskins at 6, clearly not the BPA. Paul's sources say 15 is the highest value for Haskins.
4) Very likely to go Front 7 on Defense with the #6 pick.
This is a way to pay Eli his contracted amount but significantly reduce the CAP impact
Extending is not a benefit to Eli
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
This team has zero chance to compete for a title next year. If they want to keep Eli for 2018 fine but extending him makes zero sense on any level. Eli should take a pay cut or hit the road
Looking at it short sighted. Maybe the cash we free up in 2019 lets us pick up a player or 2 to help on the OL or on defense that benefits us for a few years. even if you have to take a hit in 2020 it may be worth it. Let the process play out.
Remember 'tis the season when speculation is printed/said as what they're hearing. It's all guess work at this point.
Of course, we are still early in the process, so my opinion is subject to change as more "data points" emerge.
Of course, we are still early in the process, so my opinion is subject to change as more "data points" emerge.
I hope someone does grab him in the top 5. Just makes another quality player available for us at 6.
Biggest Davis Webb fan around.
Yes, he was right all of the 2018 offseason when he repeatedly said the Giants were not taking a QB at #2 overall.
100% correct.
Remember, Dottino has personally spoke with Gettleman. He has a nice feel for things.
Not true.
1) Dottino said repeatedly during the 2018 offseason that the Giants were not going QB at #2 overall. He was 100% right about that.
2) Dottino threw out Eli Apple as a dark horse pick at #10 overall in 2016. He was correct again - after Conklin/Floyd were gone, Apple was indeed the dark horse pick.
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
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The Giants would be foolish to pass on him and I don’t think they will.. The Giants will have a loaded young offense and the cap space they save from cutting Eli can be used to sure up other areas on the team
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
Haskins' O-Line gives him an eternity to throw the ball. He has so much space in the pocket, always has room to step up in the pocket as his massive interior OL blocks out the sun.
Gettleman will not draft Dwayne Haskins.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
Most people didnt have Baker Mayfield going #1 this time last year.
Most people didnt have Wentz going as high this time a few years ago.
Ill just sit back and enjoy the ride..
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The Giants would be foolish to pass on him and I don’t think they will.. The Giants will have a loaded young offense and the cap space they save from cutting Eli can be used to sure up other areas on the team
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
Haskins' O-Line gives him an eternity to throw the ball. He has so much space in the pocket, always has room to step up in the pocket as his massive interior OL blocks out the sun.
Gettleman will not draft Dwayne Haskins.
So in your opinion Gettleman won’t draft Haskins because he performed exceptionally well when given the time and becuase he wasn’t under duress?
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
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The Giants would be foolish to pass on him and I don’t think they will.. The Giants will have a loaded young offense and the cap space they save from cutting Eli can be used to sure up other areas on the team
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
Haskins' O-Line gives him an eternity to throw the ball. He has so much space in the pocket, always has room to step up in the pocket as his massive interior OL blocks out the sun.
Gettleman will not draft Dwayne Haskins.
So in your opinion Gettleman won’t draft Haskins because he performed exceptionally well when given the time and becuase he wasn’t under duress?
Watch Haskins when he is under the slightest hint of pressure. Horrendous.
Pat Shurmur's offense is an under-center pocket-progression system. Haskins is in shotgun all the time in Urban Meyer's offense.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
So does Eli Manning but yet he’s treated like the GOAT around here.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
Paul Dottino spoke in absolutes. The Giants will not draft Dwayne Haskins. Trust me on this one.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
Paul Dottino spoke in absolutes. The Giants will not draft Dwayne Haskins. Trust me on this one.
I hope you won’t be upset when he is the pick.
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The Giants would be foolish to pass on him and I don’t think they will.. The Giants will have a loaded young offense and the cap space they save from cutting Eli can be used to sure up other areas on the team
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
These people want Eli to play until he’s 50.. you can’t take them serious. The Giants have a talented young offense.. whoever they hand the keys to will have plenty to work with. Haskins looks to have the goods
Build that defense. The talent level on the Giant defense is putrid.
How does drafting Dwayne Haskins = QB hell in your mind?
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
Paul Dottino spoke in absolutes. The Giants will not draft Dwayne Haskins. Trust me on this one.
Paul Dottino is a moron
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but Haskins at #6. That pick would be the definition of putting your team in QB hell.
Build that defense. The talent level on the Giant defense is putrid.
How does drafting Dwayne Haskins = QB hell in your mind?
Easy - Because Haskins will not be a very good pro QB. A poor man's Matt Stafford.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
Paul Dottino spoke in absolutes. The Giants will not draft Dwayne Haskins. Trust me on this one.
Paul Dottino is a moron
He speaks with Gettleman and has a great feel for this current situation. You may not like it, but Dottino is right here.
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
You really expect someone to take you serious.. speaking in absolutes like you know what the hell your talking about
Paul Dottino spoke in absolutes. The Giants will not draft Dwayne Haskins. Trust me on this one.
Paul Dottino is a moron
He speaks with Gettleman and has a great feel for this current situation. You may not like it, but Dottino is right here.
Dottino has great feel for what? The same guy that swore Davis Webb was the heir apparent to Eli Manning and if DG has made up his mind on the draft in early January then this franchise is in worse shape then any of us can imagine
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The Giants would be foolish to pass on him and I don’t think they will.. The Giants will have a loaded young offense and the cap space they save from cutting Eli can be used to sure up other areas on the team
It’s time for the Giants to move on.. it’s been time
I agree with you GoBlue. I love those that say Haskins is overrated because his O-line blocks for him, yet they want us to fix our O line for a 38 year Manning.
Haskins' O-Line gives him an eternity to throw the ball. He has so much space in the pocket, always has room to step up in the pocket as his massive interior OL blocks out the sun.
Gettleman will not draft Dwayne Haskins.
So in your opinion Gettleman won’t draft Haskins because he performed exceptionally well when given the time and becuase he wasn’t under duress?
Watch Haskins when he is under the slightest hint of pressure. Horrendous.
Pat Shurmur's offense is an under-center pocket-progression system. Haskins is in shotgun all the time in Urban Meyer's offense.
Most college QB are in shotgun, not sure what that has to do with his ability to read coverages and complete passes. So you’re saying Haskins wasn’t pressured all season? I think you just don’t like him as a QB. What’s funny is if anyone criticizes Manning for playing poorly, the 1st response is usually how bad the O-line is and no one could play well behind our line. But yet your position on Haskins not being a good QB is because he performs when given time. Got it.
Pat Shurmur's offense is an under-center pocket-progression system. Haskins is in shotgun all the time in Urban Meyer's offense.
Look man, this stuff is public record. They record how much a QB plays out of shotgun. You sound like someone trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
Here's the Giants offense in 2018.
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Pat Shurmur's offense is an under-center pocket-progression system. Haskins is in shotgun all the time in Urban Meyer's offense.
Look man, this stuff is public record. They record how much a QB plays out of shotgun. You sound like someone trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
Here's the Giants offense in 2018.
I'd like to see what the stats were after the bye. Maybe it's just me but it did seem like they were under center more in the 2nd half of the year than they were in the 1st half of the year.
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Yes, he was right all of the 2018 offseason when he repeatedly said the Giants were not taking a QB at #2 overall.
100% correct.
Remember, Dottino has personally spoke with Gettleman. He has a nice feel for things.
What about webb?
This exactly. Surprised to see more people don't get this, or so many forget that scouting is an inexact process at best, and anyway guys are ranked on tiers of +/- equal value...
A guy that stands out on a tier all by himself like Barkley last year is very, very rare, like an LT.
Where was Aaron Rodgers picked? At 20? Brett Favre was a second round selection? If you think the guy clearly has a realistic shot to be your next franchise QB you don't sweat the 9 slots between 6 and 15. That's just Stoopid!
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but I've heard the same thing regarding Haskins.
The Giants can do whatever they want at QB. But Haskins is going to be an NFL star. He is accurate with the football and can move through his progressions. He may have things to work on, but who doesn't? I know it's not your assessment, but I don't trust the Giants' front office to do anything correctly.
Haskins isn't good. Standing back there will all day to throw waiting for a receiver to get wide open doesn't make one a good QB. He is big and slow, everything he does is slow. He throws ducks at the slightest hint of pressure. He is horrendous under pressure.
Urban Meyer System QB.
0 chance Gettleman drafts Haskins.
So does Eli Manning but yet he’s treated like the GOAT around here.
Where have you been for the last 15 years? Eli is the greatest Giants QB of all time. The last year or two does not define a 15 year career.
+1
U should listen to him. He is right more often than not.
This team has zero chance to compete for a title next year. If they want to keep Eli for 2018 fine but extending him makes zero sense on any level. Eli should take a pay cut or hit the road
I am far from a CBA expert but I think it prevents players from taking straight salary cuts.
Some of you sound like jaded ex lovers.