We’ve acquired outfielder Keon Broxton from Milwaukee in exchange for RHP Bobby Wahl, minor league RHP Adam Hill and minor league infielder Felix Valerio.
Wonder if Lagares will still be on the roster on Opening Day. Â
I get it, plus defender, has speed, but can't hit a lick. Wahl actually I thought still had some upside, pitching great in 45 innings of AAA ball last year. Flopped in 5.1 IP at the ML level, but too small of a sample size, and for what we got, I thought that's why we have Lagares (when healthy). So we got a worse version of Lagares for a reliever with upside and 2 low minors lottery tickets. Seems like a why bother move.
RE: Wonder if Lagares will still be on the roster on Opening Day. Â
Seems like Broxton makes him expendable, and he may have some trade value.
If he's not, then the Mets are going to be really counting on Broxton, Blanco, or Davis in CF. I suppose Dom could be in LF and Nimmo or Conforto back to CF.
I get it, plus defender, has speed, but can't hit a lick. Wahl actually I thought still had some upside, pitching great in 45 innings of AAA ball last year. Flopped in 5.1 IP at the ML level, but too small of a sample size, and for what we got, I thought that's why we have Lagares (when healthy). So we got a worse version of Lagares for a reliever with upside and 2 low minors lottery tickets. Seems like a why bother move.
Wahl’s fastball works in the minors, but he doesn’t have the movement or control that would make it work in the majors. Also has a substantial injury history. We have enough other relief prospects who can fill the void. Hill may ultimately have the most upside of the players the Mets traded, but if he can’t refine his secondary offerings he is a reliever at best. Seems like they are trying to make a break from the close to the majors relievers or college starters who lack the arsenal to be starters above A ball that dominated the previous regime.
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Broxton deal a nice move regardless of if he can hit 20 homers again. He's a solid piece and losing Wahl isn't a big blow.
We'll see if this move stops them from adding OF depth or if this is it.
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Scouting report I received on Keon Broxton: "Tremendous defender, will fit Citi Field well. Has real power - 18-25 homers type - but it comes with swings and misses."
@MattEhalt
Broxton deal a nice move regardless of if he can hit 20 homers again. He's a solid piece and losing Wahl isn't a big blow.
We'll see if this move stops them from adding OF depth or if this is it.
Mike Puma
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@NYPost_Mets
Scouting report I received on Keon Broxton: "Tremendous defender, will fit Citi Field well. Has real power - 18-25 homers type - but it comes with swings and misses."
I like the deal. Good gamble and didn’t give up much at all. Now if there is a move to deal Juan L, I’ll like it even more. Seem like a similar player.
Until we bring in another OF on top of this, we need OF depth and trading away Lagares would hurt us. Now if we bring in M Gonzalez or something? Sure.
About the trade, many of them will miss him. Some understand there was no room on the major league roster for him. Great teammate and great with the fans.
The Mets led the majors with reliever pitchers on their 40 man Â
Swapping one for OF depth is really a no brainer when you think about it. Bachelor, Zamora, Drew Smith, Hanhold... most of these guys won't even make the team and are rostered.
I don’t think it effects a free agent singing as they are cheap and won’t sign a heavy hitter anyway.
What this tells me is that nothing has changed at all and it’s the same half assed, half-in Mets who advertise as a top 5 market team but run it like a bottom to mid level team
Great defender but he brings nothing to the table offensively and is only a year younger than Lagares.
I think Lagares is a better option.
Again, Broxtonis asulerstar, who can’t make contact. Not a defensive specialist. It Leegares. Upside is Grenderson, downside is... there is none... I HATE losing Hill, but this is the exact move every Mets fan has been bitching has been missing for the last x number of years.
He could be useful as a late inning defensive replacement or as a Â
he may well be the better player but it's hard to be better from the DL. If he beats out Broxton and stays healthy, great. Based on his track record it's unlikely. It's a good luxury to have 2 excellent defensive CF'ers on the roster, and both have some offensive abilities.
I do think this may be a precursor for a Lagares trade. Possibly as part of a package to bring back a pitcher like Minor.
It damn would that salary relief be HUGE for a signing!!! See if the Giants will take him off our hands for some intl money lol
I could see it either way - no issue keeping him and hoping in a contract year he actually stays healthy. We know in terms of upside he could probably still be a 3-4 fwar CF in a healthy year. Not many of those out there. On the flip side we know he won't stay healthy and with Broxton in the fold you could replace Lagares with a more reliable player like Jon Jay and save some money to spend elsewhere. Maybe even Marwin.
I'm still holding out hope for 1 or 2 more relievers and a SP like Gio.
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I really like this move for the Mets. Keon Broxton is just the type of depth they need. But Adam Hill (4th rounder from last year’s draft) is a good get for the Brewers. 92-95 with a swing and miss slider. Also note that Broxton is out of options.
adamgfisher
I really like this move for the Mets. Keon Broxton is just the type of depth they need. But Adam Hill (4th rounder from last year’s draft) is a good get for the Brewers. 92-95 with a swing and miss slider. Also note that Broxton is out of options.
Adam is a very, very smart man...
Eric - Santiago signing today too will help the pen imo. And regardless if Legares is moved or not, no one is handing Broxton the starting job.
Broxton is probably the worst option of that list despite the similar numbers, but he was also almost definitely the cheapest to acquire - probably by a good margin. Pre-arb salary and only costs a bunch of minor league relievers, this is a good roll of the dice.
It damn would that salary relief be HUGE for a signing!!! See if the Giants will take him off our hands for some intl money lol
I could see it either way - no issue keeping him and hoping in a contract year he actually stays healthy. We know in terms of upside he could probably still be a 3-4 fwar CF in a healthy year. Not many of those out there. On the flip side we know he won't stay healthy and with Broxton in the fold you could replace Lagares with a more reliable player like Jon Jay and save some money to spend elsewhere. Maybe even Marwin.
I'm still holding out hope for 1 or 2 more relievers and a SP like Gio.
Would love Gio as the 4/5 lefty starter with Matz
What is Gios asking price.
I worry about Vargas as the 5th starter. Hope Brodie can dump him
Signing Gio would give the Mets top rotation in baseball
most of writers / sites seemed to predict 2 years 24m for Gio Â
which seems like a great value for a guy who has been steady as it gets. Even his slightly down year last year was worth 2 fwar and we know he has great career #'s in Citi field.
Heading in I would labeled our holes/order of importance as: Â
1.) Bat that can hit added somewhere
2.) Closer
3.) Catcher who can hit
4.) SU reliever/can also close
5.) Starting caliber OF while Cespedes is out
6.) More late inning bullpen help
7.) LOOGY
8.) Backend SP pushing Vargas to pen
9.) Bench help/OF depth
So far Brody has checked off 1, 2, 3, 4, and 9. Can he fill every hole?
few more points on Broxton - his 2018 was really odd Â
he only hit .179 and his babip of .217 was over 100 points lower than his career average (crazy low for a fast guy). His strikeouts came down but so did his hard hit % and exit velocities according to statcast. Despite the negatives he still posted an 84 wrc, but it's also a small sample size bc he didn't play as much as the 2 years prior (Cain). He's got some upside if he can make a little more contact and even his baseline is a good insurance policy for Lagares, though the inconsistency making contact is not ideal for a part time bench guy. Still seems like there's more upside than someone like Billy Hamilton though.
Broxton did last year offensively. 83 abats is literally nothing. He got boxed out when they acquired Yelich and Cain and pretty much rode the bench all year. The 2016-2017 sample is likely a better indicator of who he is.
if they aren't trading Lagares I don't think it's unfair to say they're in pretty decent shape while also giving themselves some flexibility in the scenario that Cespedes does actually come back.
im not saying it was a good bet, just that it seems like the plan is to count on Cano to be the key 100 rbi guy in the middle of the lineup for at least 1 or 2 years. Once he got on the field last year he did hit (136 rc+) as much as Machado (141) and Harper (135) - they basically viewed him as a dollar store version of adding a high level hitter relative to the price tag on the other 2. I think it's a short sighted decision but they may end up being right.
At this point I have more issues with the depth of the pitching staff than the lineup all things considered.
Right now, the thing I most want the Mets to do is Â
MLBTR - he report that free-agent catcher Yasmani Grandal rejected a four-year, $60MM proposal from the Mets earlier this winter is “essentially accurate,” Rosenthal writes. While the Mets didn’t submit a formal offer to Grandal, the two sides did discuss a deal in the $55MM to $60MM neighborhood, per Rosenthal, who adds the 30-year-old was aiming for a contract worth closer to $65MM. The Mets balked at Grandal’s request, though, and then signed the No. 2 catcher available, Wilson Ramos. There’s now “doubt” Grandal’s next contract will approach what the Mets were willing to give him, Rosenthal relays.
More from Rosenthal on the Mets, who – in need of starting depth – are considering left-hander Derek Holland and righty Josh Tomlin in free agency. Holland easily had the stronger year of the two in 2018, which figures to make him the more difficult hurler to sign. He should be able to net a major league contract this winter, whereas the Mets are hoping to land someone on a non-guaranteed pact, Rosenthal reports. With that in mind, the 34-year-old Tomlin may be a more realistic option, as he endured a miserable 2018 with the Indians. However, the 34-year-old was successful at times from 2014-17 under ex-Tribe pitching coach and current Mets manager Mickey Callaway.
The beats have been wrong about literally everything Â
this offseason and haven't seen a single thing coming outside of the Cano deal and Realmuto stuff (Shecky already confirmed BVW was purposely leaking stuff in both cases likely for bargaining purposes)
Herrera on a 1 year deal to re-establish his value would be very smart Â
Seems like a lot of the guys they were in on earlier are asking for the moon still (Pollock wants 6 years??). There is still a ton of quality relievers available.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
RE: The beats have been wrong about literally everything Â
this offseason and haven't seen a single thing coming outside of the Cano deal and Realmuto stuff (Shecky already confirmed BVW was purposely leaking stuff in both cases likely for bargaining purposes)
Is your point that you think they are going to add another OF? They are at $150m right now counting Wright & Cespedes fully, so I agree they should have it in their budget to spend another $10-20m just to get back to what they spent last year, though I think it's better served on the pitching staff at this point.
RE: I still think the Mets have a few more moves in them... Â
Seems like a lot of the guys they were in on earlier are asking for the moon still (Pollock wants 6 years??). There is still a ton of quality relievers available.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
So we agree, there are no excuses for ownership to not spend another $10-20m in salary towards this team next year?
RE: RE: I still think the Mets have a few more moves in them... Â
Seems like a lot of the guys they were in on earlier are asking for the moon still (Pollock wants 6 years??). There is still a ton of quality relievers available.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
So we agree, there are no excuses for ownership to not spend another $10-20m in salary towards this team next year?
I dont know about "no excuses". I certainly dont want them to force bad deals and I do think a lot of the heavy leg work is done. But yes. I'd like to see them add another 10-15 mil filling out the pen, etc. for sure.
RE: RE: The beats have been wrong about literally everything Â
this offseason and haven't seen a single thing coming outside of the Cano deal and Realmuto stuff (Shecky already confirmed BVW was purposely leaking stuff in both cases likely for bargaining purposes)
Is your point that you think they are going to add another OF? They are at $150m right now counting Wright & Cespedes fully, so I agree they should have it in their budget to spend another $10-20m just to get back to what they spent last year, though I think it's better served on the pitching staff at this point.
No that wasn't my point. My point was the beats haven't seen anything coming and have been continually wrong. So maybe BVW is still talking to outfielders or maybe he's not. My point was I wouldnt trust anything the beats say one way or another. Also I think we were in the 150-160 range last year to start, not 170.
After a very weird and inconsistent 4-5 games to the season dealing with injuries and inconsistent playing time he pitched to a 4.30 ERA/4.40 FIP the rest of the season which is pretty much exactly what we signed him to do.
I'd almost rather sign another upper tier reliever freeing up Lugo to swing back into the rotation if Vargas falters or there are any injuries. I see the logic for a "Gio" too though. I just dont think these are huge needs, more luxuries.
If he's not, then the Mets are going to be really counting on Broxton, Blanco, or Davis in CF. I suppose Dom could be in LF and Nimmo or Conforto back to CF.
Wahl’s fastball works in the minors, but he doesn’t have the movement or control that would make it work in the majors. Also has a substantial injury history. We have enough other relief prospects who can fill the void. Hill may ultimately have the most upside of the players the Mets traded, but if he can’t refine his secondary offerings he is a reliever at best. Seems like they are trying to make a break from the close to the majors relievers or college starters who lack the arsenal to be starters above A ball that dominated the previous regime.
235/.353/.437 hitter vs left-handed pitchers. .344 wOBA and 111 wRC+
Broxton deal a nice move regardless of if he can hit 20 homers again. He's a solid piece and losing Wahl isn't a big blow.
We'll see if this move stops them from adding OF depth or if this is it.
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@NYPost_Mets
Scouting report I received on Keon Broxton: "Tremendous defender, will fit Citi Field well. Has real power - 18-25 homers type - but it comes with swings and misses."
@mikemayerMMO
The Mets badly needed OF depth, before the trade for Braxton they had only 4 OF on the 40-man roster.
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Broxton deal a nice move regardless of if he can hit 20 homers again. He's a solid piece and losing Wahl isn't a big blow.
We'll see if this move stops them from adding OF depth or if this is it.
Mike Puma
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@NYPost_Mets
Scouting report I received on Keon Broxton: "Tremendous defender, will fit Citi Field well. Has real power - 18-25 homers type - but it comes with swings and misses."
I like the deal. Good gamble and didn’t give up much at all. Now if there is a move to deal Juan L, I’ll like it even more. Seem like a similar player.
I think Lagares is a better option.
What this tells me is that nothing has changed at all and it’s the same half assed, half-in Mets who advertise as a top 5 market team but run it like a bottom to mid level team
I think Lagares is a better option.
Again, Broxtonis asulerstar, who can’t make contact. Not a defensive specialist. It Leegares. Upside is Grenderson, downside is... there is none... I HATE losing Hill, but this is the exact move every Mets fan has been bitching has been missing for the last x number of years.
I do think this may be a precursor for a Lagares trade. Possibly as part of a package to bring back a pitcher like Minor.
I could see it either way - no issue keeping him and hoping in a contract year he actually stays healthy. We know in terms of upside he could probably still be a 3-4 fwar CF in a healthy year. Not many of those out there. On the flip side we know he won't stay healthy and with Broxton in the fold you could replace Lagares with a more reliable player like Jon Jay and save some money to spend elsewhere. Maybe even Marwin.
I'm still holding out hope for 1 or 2 more relievers and a SP like Gio.
I really like this move for the Mets. Keon Broxton is just the type of depth they need. But Adam Hill (4th rounder from last year’s draft) is a good get for the Brewers. 92-95 with a swing and miss slider. Also note that Broxton is out of options.
I really like this move for the Mets. Keon Broxton is just the type of depth they need. But Adam Hill (4th rounder from last year’s draft) is a good get for the Brewers. 92-95 with a swing and miss slider. Also note that Broxton is out of options.
Adam is a very, very smart man...
Eric - Santiago signing today too will help the pen imo. And regardless if Legares is moved or not, no one is handing Broxton the starting job.
Broxton - 93 (111)
Margot - 85 (90)
JBJ - 92 (123)
Inciarte - 94 (100)
Buxton - 76 (90)
Mallex - 102 (117)
Broxton is probably the worst option of that list despite the similar numbers, but he was also almost definitely the cheapest to acquire - probably by a good margin. Pre-arb salary and only costs a bunch of minor league relievers, this is a good roll of the dice.
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It damn would that salary relief be HUGE for a signing!!! See if the Giants will take him off our hands for some intl money lol
I could see it either way - no issue keeping him and hoping in a contract year he actually stays healthy. We know in terms of upside he could probably still be a 3-4 fwar CF in a healthy year. Not many of those out there. On the flip side we know he won't stay healthy and with Broxton in the fold you could replace Lagares with a more reliable player like Jon Jay and save some money to spend elsewhere. Maybe even Marwin.
I'm still holding out hope for 1 or 2 more relievers and a SP like Gio.
Would love Gio as the 4/5 lefty starter with Matz
What is Gios asking price.
I worry about Vargas as the 5th starter. Hope Brodie can dump him
Signing Gio would give the Mets top rotation in baseball
2.) Closer
3.) Catcher who can hit
4.) SU reliever/can also close
5.) Starting caliber OF while Cespedes is out
6.) More late inning bullpen help
7.) LOOGY
8.) Backend SP pushing Vargas to pen
9.) Bench help/OF depth
So far Brody has checked off 1, 2, 3, 4, and 9. Can he fill every hole?
Player A: 313 OBP, 700 OPS, 12 HR, 31 SB
Player B: 313 OBP, 730 OPS, 33 HR, 50 SB
A is Cain.
B is Broxton.
He’s ok and needed depth but I prefer a player like Pollock who can actually hit MLB pitching. Hopefully we add another OF.
Watching Broxton highlights he reminds me of Mike Cameron. He really covers ground in CF.
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He is out of options and probably won't make it through waivers.
Fun guy to watch in the field but he is an automatic out.
We still need a big bat in the OF.
At this point I have more issues with the depth of the pitching staff than the lineup all things considered.
MLBTR - he report that free-agent catcher Yasmani Grandal rejected a four-year, $60MM proposal from the Mets earlier this winter is “essentially accurate,” Rosenthal writes. While the Mets didn’t submit a formal offer to Grandal, the two sides did discuss a deal in the $55MM to $60MM neighborhood, per Rosenthal, who adds the 30-year-old was aiming for a contract worth closer to $65MM. The Mets balked at Grandal’s request, though, and then signed the No. 2 catcher available, Wilson Ramos. There’s now “doubt” Grandal’s next contract will approach what the Mets were willing to give him, Rosenthal relays.
More from Rosenthal on the Mets, who – in need of starting depth – are considering left-hander Derek Holland and righty Josh Tomlin in free agency. Holland easily had the stronger year of the two in 2018, which figures to make him the more difficult hurler to sign. He should be able to net a major league contract this winter, whereas the Mets are hoping to land someone on a non-guaranteed pact, Rosenthal reports. With that in mind, the 34-year-old Tomlin may be a more realistic option, as he endured a miserable 2018 with the Indians. However, the 34-year-old was successful at times from 2014-17 under ex-Tribe pitching coach and current Mets manager Mickey Callaway.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
Is your point that you think they are going to add another OF? They are at $150m right now counting Wright & Cespedes fully, so I agree they should have it in their budget to spend another $10-20m just to get back to what they spent last year, though I think it's better served on the pitching staff at this point.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
So we agree, there are no excuses for ownership to not spend another $10-20m in salary towards this team next year?
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Seems like a lot of the guys they were in on earlier are asking for the moon still (Pollock wants 6 years??). There is still a ton of quality relievers available.
As we get closer to February prices should drop a bit.
So we agree, there are no excuses for ownership to not spend another $10-20m in salary towards this team next year?
I dont know about "no excuses". I certainly dont want them to force bad deals and I do think a lot of the heavy leg work is done. But yes. I'd like to see them add another 10-15 mil filling out the pen, etc. for sure.
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this offseason and haven't seen a single thing coming outside of the Cano deal and Realmuto stuff (Shecky already confirmed BVW was purposely leaking stuff in both cases likely for bargaining purposes)
Is your point that you think they are going to add another OF? They are at $150m right now counting Wright & Cespedes fully, so I agree they should have it in their budget to spend another $10-20m just to get back to what they spent last year, though I think it's better served on the pitching staff at this point.
No that wasn't my point. My point was the beats haven't seen anything coming and have been continually wrong. So maybe BVW is still talking to outfielders or maybe he's not. My point was I wouldnt trust anything the beats say one way or another. Also I think we were in the 150-160 range last year to start, not 170.
I'd almost rather sign another upper tier reliever freeing up Lugo to swing back into the rotation if Vargas falters or there are any injuries. I see the logic for a "Gio" too though. I just dont think these are huge needs, more luxuries.