|
|
Â
|
| Quote: |
| Former Giants linebacker Mark Herzlich did not just offer his interpretation on GM Dave Gettleman's feelings on Eli Manning, he also had a lot to say about Odell Beckham Jr. The 31-year-old said he'd read that the issues with Brown and the Steelers have been going on forever and he likened the culture in Pittsburgh to that of the Giants last season -- when things spiraled out of control -- and cited Beckham's "distractions" as why things began to go south. "That starts with head coach," Herzlich said. "As much as I love Mike Tomlin -- and as much as he does not deserve the blame for the antics -- I saw it happen to Ben McAdoo. He came in and had a good season and Odell started doing things that were distractions from the team." The Giants made the playoffs under McAdoo his first season, but the head coach continuosly covered up for the receiver's behavior. "Ben McAdoo, who was a young coach, let those things go for a long period of time," Herzlich continued. "When it was time to put his foot down he could only put his foot down to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie because he was acting out and suspended him. So what happened was there was this unfair balance of power and it was 'Ok, he can break the rules but I can't?' ... It was a double standard and once you lose respect from the locker room in terms of no one is doing anything about this guy's issues, then you have a tough time coming back. "I think Antonio Brown is in same category. He's an unbelievable player but is he the guy you want all your eyes on?" "I think that talent-wise he is part of the solution," he said. "However, you see what's happening with Antonio Brown, you see what happens when guys put spotlights on themselves over the team and it's a recipe for disaster. Odell has had a lot of time to mature. He's had a lot of time to figure out what he wants to be. I don't think he has the mindset 'every single ball needs to go to me,' but I do think he's a guy who needs to live in the spotlight. "If that spotlight shines somewhere else, you might see a guy who is your best player who is not going to be a great leader for your team. To me, if you're going to build your team around one person, you want that person to not only be a superstar but to be a superstar leader. Right now, that's not what Odell is." |
For a guy who wasn't on the team this year, he sure does have a lot of insight into the inner workings of the front office and the locker room.
For a guy who wasn't on the team this year, he sure does have a lot of insight into the inner workings of the front office and the locker room.
Great point. Does he honestly think that Shurmur would tolerate the behavior that McAdoo did? The Giants do have a superstar player and superstar leader and his name is Saquon Barkley.
I think he's worth it now and he'll definitely be worth it once he's matured some more.
He wasn't on last years team. At any time did it look like the players quit last season as they did under McAdoo?
Quote:
was an example of how Odell was a distraction to the team last year.
For a guy who wasn't on the team this year, he sure does have a lot of insight into the inner workings of the front office and the locker room.
Great point. Does he honestly think that Shurmur would tolerate the behavior that McAdoo did? The Giants do have a superstar player and superstar leader and his name is Saquon Barkley.
When he’s not throwing around $100 bills, that is
1. He’s not talking about 2018, he’s referencing 2016 and 2017.
2. Wasn’t he on IR for 2017?
3. If a player “living in the spotlight” is a distraction then you have a weak locker room. Which the Giants certainly did in 2016 and 2017.
4. It is very clear that Mark Herzlich is working on his second career.
Like a fly to shit.
Quote:
He only played for the team. What does he know?
1. He’s not talking about 2018, he’s referencing 2016 and 2017.
2. Wasn’t he on IR for 2017?
3. If a player “living in the spotlight” is a distraction then you have a weak locker room. Which the Giants certainly did in 2016 and 2017.
4. It is very clear that Mark Herzlich is working on his second career.
It looks like he is following Tiki Barber's lead. Openly criticize a former teammate that the media loves to criticize.
I’ll add, is he routinely late to meetings, do his teammates hate him? Word is Brown has been late to 8:00 am meetings for years and he is not well liked in the locker room.
Quote:
did Beckham threaten an ESPN reporter? Did he openly argue with his starting QB? Did he blow off a game that had playoff ramifications? Did he request a trade?
I’ll add, is he routinely late to meetings, do his teammates hate him? Word is Brown has been late to 8:00 am meetings for years and he is not well liked in the locker room.
It's pretty obvious when you're one of the leagues best WR's and your QB is taking shots at you during team meetings.
I know, the delusional grandeur of some BBI posters is truly amusing
Quote:
In comment 14248355 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
He only played for the team. What does he know?
1. He’s not talking about 2018, he’s referencing 2016 and 2017.
2. Wasn’t he on IR for 2017?
3. If a player “living in the spotlight” is a distraction then you have a weak locker room. Which the Giants certainly did in 2016 and 2017.
4. It is very clear that Mark Herzlich is working on his second career.
It looks like he is following Tiki Barber's lead. Openly criticize a former teammate that the media loves to criticize.
Would point out again, that Herzlich has zero insight into the 2018 NY Giants.
Actually he wasn't on the team last year. The locker room was a mess under McAdoo for a lot of reasons, and maybe Beckham was one. But what does that have to do with the current team? And how did him playing for the team prior to this year give him insight into Gettleman's intentions with Eli?
He's an ex-player with opinions. Nothing to see here.
Tiki Herzlich should just STFU and be glad that he had a copy of those John Mara pics.
I guess he sucked at that too
- called a reporter a racist.
- disappears for a week during training camp
- did a Facebook live show from the locker room after a game while the coach was speaking.
- was pulled over going over 100mph in a Pittsburgh side street
- showed up ten hours late to a children’s hospital charity event
- arrived in a helicopter to training camp
- yelling at his OC during a game
- tweets trade
- sued for tossing furniture from his apartment building. Almost killing a toddler
So exactly what is the comparison between Brown and OBJ?
He's referring to 2017 (McAdoo) which seems somewhat odd since Beckham was away from the team most of the year after he broke his ankle.
I don't doubt Herzlich had issues with Beckham and I'm sure he isn't the only one, though likely in the minority. However, this, along with his commentary on Eli's future seems more like he's trying to get his name out there for a gig covering the NFL than anything terribly newsworthy.
It’s obvious to anyone who isn’t wearing blinders.
Or like on BBI, opinions within the organization and on the team are mixed on the subject.
Perhaps Herzlich is pining for a media gig and he's going the Tiki route.
Hey Herzlich, you were lucky to have a job and you were easily replaced. Thank the Giants brass and their BC connection for that. Because it certainly wasn't your impact on the field that kept you on the team.
Add in Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart as well.
Besides, he isn't saying anything we don't already know. The Giants have had weak leadership from coaches and players since they drafted Beckham, and have allowed him to do whatever he wants.
Culture wins. Coaches (starting with Coughlin) allowed Beckham and other guys to erode the culture, and as a result the organization has been a laughingstock.
Quote:
...
Like a fly to shit.
My point exactly.
I'll just add this to the list and move on without further commentary.
Besides, he isn't saying anything we don't already know. The Giants have had weak leadership from coaches and players since they drafted Beckham, and have allowed him to do whatever he wants.
Culture wins. Coaches (starting with Coughlin) allowed Beckham and other guys to erode the culture, and as a result the organization has been a laughingstock.
The culture that condoned Toomer, Strahan, Boley, Burress, Bradshaw, etc.? Yeah, those Giants championship teams had zero characters challenging the coaches, being weirdos off the field, or running their mouths.
Besides, he isn't saying anything we don't already know. The Giants have had weak leadership from coaches and players since they drafted Beckham, and have allowed him to do whatever he wants.
Culture wins. Coaches (starting with Coughlin) allowed Beckham and other guys to erode the culture, and as a result the organization has been a laughingstock.
You are dumb as shit. Are you related to Limerick?
Quote:
Keep it in house.
Besides, he isn't saying anything we don't already know. The Giants have had weak leadership from coaches and players since they drafted Beckham, and have allowed him to do whatever he wants.
Culture wins. Coaches (starting with Coughlin) allowed Beckham and other guys to erode the culture, and as a result the organization has been a laughingstock.
You are dumb as shit. Are you related to Limerick?
Relax Chief
For a guy who wasn't on the team this year, he sure does have a lot of insight into the inner workings of the front office and the locker room.
Yeah, I guess he doesn't speak to anyone who's still on the team anymore, and the Mara family's feelings for him doesn't matter.
Not even Mr T can join
Bingo! What was the culture like when Strahan held out of camp, complained about Eli, etc?! Only an IDIOT cries about culture.
It seems more like excuse making than pointing out a legitimate problem.
No way he gets away with crap on Shurmur or Gettleman. He is a distraction to himself.
And WGAF what happened when McAdoo was here. That is done.
Quote:
Maybe second behind Saquon now. Talent wins, figure out how to manage it.
Bingo! What was the culture like when Strahan held out of camp, complained about Eli, etc?! Only an IDIOT cries about culture.
Lmao these people really think culture matters.. Like a winning team is made up of upstanding young men newsflash folks good football teams have good football players