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NFL mock draft 1.0: Giants trade up for QB

GFAN52 : 1/5/2019 9:12 pm
Steve Serby's mock draft.

1. Cardinals - Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
2. Giants (from 49ers) - Dwayne Haskins (QB, Ohio State)
3. Jets - Quinnen Williams (DL, Alabama)
4. Raiders - Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
5. Buccaneers - Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
6. 49ers (from Giants) - Greedy Williams (CB, LSU)


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AcidTest : 1/5/2019 9:15 pm : link
this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.
Not happening.  
section125 : 1/5/2019 9:16 pm : link
Gettleman not giving up high picks to get Haskins who is likely there at 6 if they want him.
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GoBlue6599 : 1/5/2019 9:16 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.

Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?
Remote Throw  
WillVAB : 1/5/2019 9:19 pm : link
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Niners would want next yearís 1  
jeff57 : 1/5/2019 9:20 pm : link
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They're mock drafts...  
Jan in DC : 1/5/2019 9:20 pm : link
there will be a million variations of them by the draft anyways. Best to just look at it as entertainment.
I simply do not see this happening.  
bigbluehoya : 1/5/2019 9:22 pm : link
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section125 : 1/5/2019 9:22 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?


Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.
I donít see Giants going QB at 6  
twostepgiants : 1/5/2019 9:22 pm : link
Let alone trading up for one
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:24 pm : link
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Standing Ovation.
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GoBlue6599 : 1/5/2019 9:25 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?



Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.

One thing I have learned about this message board is people love to speak in absolutes and pass there opinion off as fact
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA  
Ssanders9816 : 1/5/2019 9:26 pm : link
No chance
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:26 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?



Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.


One thing I have learned about this message board is people love to speak in absolutes and pass there opinion off as fact


Agreed.
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section125 : 1/5/2019 9:27 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?



Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.


One thing I have learned about this message board is people love to speak in absolutes and pass there opinion off as fact


One thing I learned is that when somebody opposes another's opinion it is dismissed as somebody speaking in absolutes..
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:29 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?



Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.


One thing I have learned about this message board is people love to speak in absolutes and pass there opinion off as fact



One thing I learned is that when somebody opposes another's opinion it is dismissed as somebody speaking in absolutes..


I hope youíre ready to root for Haskins if heís the pick.
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GoBlue6599 : 1/5/2019 9:29 pm : link
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this far away from the draft, I can confidently say that will never happen. Another example of a sportswriter basing their selection on the perceived needs of a team.


Why can you ďconfidentlyĒ say it will never happen?



Gettleman will not trade high picks to move up for a guy that will be there when they pick at 6, especially if the ER from Kentucky is on the board. I can see him go get Allen, not Haskins.


One thing I have learned about this message board is people love to speak in absolutes and pass there opinion off as fact



One thing I learned is that when somebody opposes another's opinion it is dismissed as somebody speaking in absolutes..

You just said what DG will and wonít do, youíre definitely speaking in absolutes
That made up dialogue between...  
bw in dc : 1/5/2019 9:31 pm : link
Gentleman and Lynch was hilarious.

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section125 : 1/5/2019 9:32 pm : link
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I hope youíre ready to root for Haskins if heís the pick.


I don't care who they pick. I like Haskins. If it is at #6, 0k. But you do know they need a hell of a lot more help on either line, more than they need a QB.
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Diver_Down : 1/5/2019 9:32 pm : link
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The Jets gave up three 2nd picks to move from 6th to the 3rd pick...  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2019 9:38 pm : link
Can't see anything less than a future 1st being the cost to go from 6th to the 2nd pick.
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:38 pm : link
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I hope youíre ready to root for Haskins if heís the pick.



I don't care who they pick. I like Haskins. If it is at #6, 0k. But you do know they need a hell of a lot more help on either line, more than they need a QB.


I hear you but if Gettleman believes heís the future then you do whatís necessary.
RE: I donít see Giants going QB at 6  
Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:40 pm : link
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Let alone trading up for one


Why?
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jnoble : 1/5/2019 9:41 pm : link
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Gentleman and Lynch was hilarious.


This may be the first time anyone ever described something cornball Serby wrote as "hilarious"
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Diver_Down : 1/5/2019 9:43 pm : link
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Let alone trading up for one



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Isn't it obvious? DG just likes to drink your tears.
I'm not surprised  
jnoble : 1/5/2019 9:43 pm : link
His early mock drafts are always wildly misguided. He was confident the Jets were going to draft Mitch Tribinsky a couple years ago too
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:48 pm : link
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Let alone trading up for one



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Isn't it obvious? DG just likes to drink your tears.


I think the only reason Gettleman passed on a QB last year was Saquon. There is no such player in this years draft.
This dutch77 guy is quickly becoming  
JCin332 : 1/5/2019 9:49 pm : link
a boob of Les like proportions...

And Serby must be smoking some good dope to come up with a scenario like that...
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Diver_Down : 1/5/2019 9:52 pm : link
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Let alone trading up for one



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Isn't it obvious? DG just likes to drink your tears.



I think the only reason Gettleman passed on a QB last year was Saquon. There is no such player in this years draft.


Then you haven't been paying attention. If SB was gone, the pick likely was Chubb. From our own connected posters stating such. The reality is that there was no consensus on any of the QBs. DG was not going to pick a player without the consensus. If there was no consensus last year, I find it hard to believe that Haskins will be the consensus best player at #6.
I hope  
ryanmkeane : 1/5/2019 9:53 pm : link
Haskins is there at 6 and we take him. Wouldnít sell the farm or wouldnít give up any significant draft capital for him though. If he goes before us, so be it and take the plug and play DL or OL..
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:53 pm : link
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a boob of Les like proportions...

And Serby must be smoking some good dope to come up with a scenario like that...


Get your Haskins jersey ready!
So, we can get arguably the best pass rusher in the draft  
robbieballs2003 : 1/5/2019 9:56 pm : link
of we stay put at 6? Thank you.
A CRT?  
Doomster : 1/5/2019 9:57 pm : link
Those still exist?

I remember a friend of mine had a 36", biggest at the time.....he had this great idea to make the tv screen flat with the wall so he built an enclosed for it to go into(it went into a closet on the other side of the wall)....compared to my 27" it looked enormous......

Only had one problem, the heat generated in that small enclosure......didn't stop him, he set up a fan system to circulate cool air through duct work......the guy could fix/design anything...
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 9:59 pm : link
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Isn't it obvious? DG just likes to drink your tears.



I think the only reason Gettleman passed on a QB last year was Saquon. There is no such player in this years draft.



Then you haven't been paying attention. If SB was gone, the pick likely was Chubb. From our own connected posters stating such. The reality is that there was no consensus on any of the QBs. DG was not going to pick a player without the consensus. If there was no consensus last year, I find it hard to believe that Haskins will be the consensus best player at #6.


With that logic weíll never draft a QB, and no disrespect to the connected posters that said it would have been Chubb if not Barkley but do they work for the Giants and if so are they apart of the decision making?
Iíve started to study Daniel Jones.  
Giant John : 1/5/2019 10:04 pm : link
Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
Iím going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?
Dutch  
Diver_Down : 1/5/2019 10:05 pm : link
Ask JonC who/how he is connected. He likely won't tell you. But he's not wrong. He's careful in what he reveals. He's no Slade. But when he mentions the thinking inside 1925 Giants Drive, it is worth paying attention to.
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section125 : 1/5/2019 10:05 pm : link
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With that logic weíll never draft a QB, and no disrespect to the connected posters that said it would have been Chubb if not Barkley but do they work for the Giants and if so are they apart of the decision making?


Please learn to crop the excess lines from replies so they aren't a whole page long.

The connected posters have contacts inside the Giants, yes.
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 10:09 pm : link
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Ask JonC who/how he is connected. He likely won't tell you. But he's not wrong. He's careful in what he reveals. He's no Slade. But when he mentions the thinking inside 1925 Giants Drive, it is worth paying attention to.


Thanks Driver
We have posters here connected to the Giants  
GoBlue6599 : 1/5/2019 10:11 pm : link
LMAO you people really believe this stuff.. What is he good friends with the Maras
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14249016 section125 said:


Please learn to crop the excess lines from replies so they aren't a whole page long.

The connected posters have contacts inside the Giants, yes. [/quote]

Will do.
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section125 : 1/5/2019 10:17 pm : link
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LMAO you people really believe this stuff.. What is he good friends with the Maras


We don't care what you believe....
RE: Iíve started to study Daniel Jones.  
jnoble : 1/5/2019 10:19 pm : link
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Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
Iím going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?


I'm all in to drafting Jones
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 10:23 pm : link
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Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
Iím going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?



I'm all in to drafting Jones


Compared to Haskins you think Jones is the better prospect?
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jnoble : 1/5/2019 10:51 pm : link
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Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
Iím going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?



I'm all in to drafting Jones



Compared to Haskins you think Jones is the better prospect?


Yes
RE: Dutch  
bw in dc : 1/5/2019 10:51 pm : link
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Ask JonC who/how he is connected. He likely won't tell you. But he's not wrong. He's careful in what he reveals. He's no Slade. But when he mentions the thinking inside 1925 Giants Drive, it is worth paying attention to.


ďHeís no Slade.Ē LOL.

I love that guy...
What would that cost us  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 1/5/2019 10:52 pm : link
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 11:09 pm : link
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Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
Iím going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?



I'm all in to drafting Jones



Compared to Haskins you think Jones is the better prospect?



Yes


Based on what exactly? It canít be prodction.
Never understand how Serby has a job as a sports writer  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/5/2019 11:19 pm : link
he doesn't seem to have any special insights on anything.
Remote throw?  
Red Dog : 1/5/2019 11:23 pm : link
Hell, that's throw the remote, the TV, the DVR, the couch, the coffee table, the floor lamp, and the recliner chair time.
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section125 : 1/5/2019 11:26 pm : link
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Hell, that's throw the remote, the TV, the DVR, the couch, the coffee table, the floor lamp, and the recliner chair time.


and your back after that tantrum...
Admire ur guts  
Jim Bur(n)t : 1/5/2019 11:29 pm : link
Not a FLIPPIN chance
Jones..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/5/2019 11:31 pm : link
will be the typical reach pick for a QB with measureables.

He had a couple terrible games this year, including a 59-7 to Wake Forest where he had a 50% completion rate.

I don't even care about the duke tie-in - he's just not going to be a quality NFL starter.
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Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 11:35 pm : link
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Granted itís highlight stuff but Iím impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
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I'm all in to drafting Jones



Compared to Haskins you think Jones is the better prospect?



Yes



Based on what exactly? It canít be prodction.


CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK
Haskins: 373 533 4831 70.0 9.06 78 50 8 20

Jones: 237 392 2674 60.5 6.82 85 22 9 28
Daniel Jones reminds me of a poor man's Josh Allen  
SHO'NUFF : 1/5/2019 11:36 pm : link
if he's there in Round 2, sure why not...
There's something not right with Haskins  
SHO'NUFF : 1/5/2019 11:38 pm : link
He's a product of blue chip blocking... he folds under pressure. I would rather have Jones.
RE: There's something not right with Haskins  
Dutch77 : 1/5/2019 11:42 pm : link
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He's a product of blue chip blocking... he folds under pressure. I would rather have Jones.


SHOíNUFF, which game or games did he fold under pressure? Heís only had 2 games this year where his completion % was less than 60%.
Draft up for Haskins  
Archer : 1/5/2019 11:53 pm : link
I find it very hard to believe that the Giants board will have Haskins as the second best player

Gettleman is consistent in staying true to his board
He said that he always selects the best valued player in the first round
Even with the sixth pick much less the second pick the player must have Pro Bowl potential

I also find it hard to believe that Gettleman will draft a QB in the first round unless he trades down to the latter part of the first round
Lamar Jackson who was drafted 32 nd was a better prospect then any of the QBs available this year

BBI at 9:20 PM if this happens.  
St. Jimmy : 1/6/2019 12:00 am : link
wow -- Stupid  
giantstock : 1/6/2019 12:04 am : link
I'm all for getting Haskins if GMen like him, but to go to 2nd pick for him - at least as of right now-- incredibly stupid.
You don't draft stats.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/6/2019 12:05 am : link
There is a lot to like about Haskins but there are questions that will not be answered and you basically have to guess. Imo, we know more about Jones than we do Haskins. I like Jones a lot but not at 6 and the same goes for Haskins. If Jones is sitting there in the second then I like that way more.
RE: Jones..  
sxdxca : 1/6/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14249261 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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will be the typical reach pick for a QB with measureables.

He had a couple terrible games this year, including a 59-7 to Wake Forest where he had a 50% completion rate.

I don't even care about the duke tie-in - he's just not going to be a quality NFL starter.


FMIC,

I agree, I'm not a fan of Jones at all
RE: You don't draft stats.  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 12:21 am : link
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There is a lot to like about Haskins but there are questions that will not be answered and you basically have to guess. Imo, we know more about Jones than we do Haskins. I like Jones a lot but not at 6 and the same goes for Haskins. If Jones is sitting there in the second then I like that way more.


Robbie youíre correct regarding stats but they canít be ignored either. Iím just amazed at all of the Haskins hate by some.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/6/2019 12:31 am : link
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There is a lot to like about Haskins but there are questions that will not be answered and you basically have to guess. Imo, we know more about Jones than we do Haskins. I like Jones a lot but not at 6 and the same goes for Haskins. If Jones is sitting there in the second then I like that way more.



Robbie youíre correct regarding stats but they canít be ignored either. Iím just amazed at all of the Haskins hate by some.


I don't hate him but I don't think you are talking to me about that. I get it. He had insane stats. I am also against the grain on the new trend where everybody seems to want a mobile QB. That is so secondary to me. If you cannot pass from the pocket in college then that isn't magically going to happen in the NFL. I like that is is a pocket passer. My concern is that we know what he can do from the pocket in ideal conditions but you will know more when things aren't perfect. It really is a gamble with projecting that part of his game. Adversity is a big part of evaluating any player especially the QB position. That is just my opinion.

If the Giants deem him the guy then great but I think it is more likely that a defensive player is our pick just because of the value and it fits a need.
That draft would set the Giants back 5 years. To ignore glaring needs  
SterlingArcher : 1/6/2019 12:31 am : link
and draft a qb would be a disaster of epic proportions. You just know the first INT he throws he will be declared a bust!
RE: That draft would set the Giants back 5 years. To ignore glaring needs  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 12:48 am : link
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and draft a qb would be a disaster of epic proportions. You just know the first INT he throws he will be declared a bust!


Since every QB is a huge gamble/risk and no one knows for certain which ones will pan out, does that mean you donít take a chance on the most important position in Football? Whether you like it or not Eliís career is ending.
Click bait trash  
B in ALB : 1/6/2019 1:05 am : link
From Steve Shitby.

I've had about enough of these idiot "journalists."
ive probably watched 5 OSU games  
huygens20 : 1/6/2019 2:50 am : link
last 2 years.

IMO Haskins reminds me of Roethlisberger, aka big rapist.


He's got tremendous deep ball accuracy and loves to shuffle himself around in the pocket on breakdown and offscript plays. He's a thick body and isnt easily taken down.

I love his intermediate accuracy too and he's got a lot of throws in him where he's fitting it into tight windows on good coverage and can deliver the ball with a variety of ways-- he can float it, hes got a good arm for flat laser beams, and can throw on the run.


I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy.


fwiw, last year I thought mayfield & lamar jackson --gap-- rosen darnold --- allen were my rankings. You cannot teach accuracy and being able to throw on the run. Mayfield was easily my #1 and Jackson my #2 because i felt he improved every year.
one last thing with Haskins  
huygens20 : 1/6/2019 3:07 am : link
One of the reasons why I was hugely against Darnold was because of his decision making on breakdown plays.


Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.


Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.

RE: ive probably watched 5 OSU games  
robbieballs2003 : 1/6/2019 3:10 am : link
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last 2 years.

IMO Haskins reminds me of Roethlisberger, aka big rapist.


He's got tremendous deep ball accuracy and loves to shuffle himself around in the pocket on breakdown and offscript plays. He's a thick body and isnt easily taken down.

I love his intermediate accuracy too and he's got a lot of throws in him where he's fitting it into tight windows on good coverage and can deliver the ball with a variety of ways-- he can float it, hes got a good arm for flat laser beams, and can throw on the run.


I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy.


fwiw, last year I thought mayfield & lamar jackson --gap-- rosen darnold --- allen were my rankings. You cannot teach accuracy and being able to throw on the run. Mayfield was easily my #1 and Jackson my #2 because i felt he improved every year.


I have to ask, what the fuck are you talking about when you just randomly throw in the line "I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy."?
NOBODY  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/6/2019 3:52 am : link
would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.
RE: RE: Dutch  
Diver_Down : 1/6/2019 6:30 am : link
In comment 14249117 bw in dc said:
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Ask JonC who/how he is connected. He likely won't tell you. But he's not wrong. He's careful in what he reveals. He's no Slade. But when he mentions the thinking inside 1925 Giants Drive, it is worth paying attention to.



ďHeís no Slade.Ē LOL.

I love that guy...


The Slade reference was more about style. JonC, Hitdog, et al. will post a comment that is succinct and discreet in a thread discussion. Slade drops a thread bomb and 300 comments later he is no where to be found. Nevermind that he is never right, he seems to thrive on the attention. The Others just share the info. They don't care who reads it.
trade up  
Allen in CNJ : 1/6/2019 6:42 am : link
to get a guy that'll be there at 6?

NO.

I'm not sold on Haskins -- look at how much time he has when he's back there!!! The guy will be running for his life in blue!
RE: Draft up for Haskins  
Deejboy : 1/6/2019 6:56 am : link
In comment 14249279 Archer said:
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I find it very hard to believe that the Giants board will have Haskins as the second best player

Gettleman is consistent in staying true to his board
He said that he always selects the best valued player in the first round
Even with the sixth pick much less the second pick the player must have Pro Bowl potential

I also find it hard to believe that Gettleman will draft a QB in the first round unless he trades down to the latter part of the first round
Lamar Jackson who was drafted 32 nd was a better prospect then any of the QBs available this year

Actually he isn't. There were a number of NFL teams that wanted to draft Jackson as a WR and did not see him as a QB. So to say Jackson was a better QB prospect than any QB in this draft is silly. He is more a RB playing QB than QB.
RE: Never understand how Serby has a job as a sports writer  
Deejboy : 1/6/2019 6:58 am : link
In comment 14249227 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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he doesn't seem to have any special insights on anything.

He got a bunch of Giants fans to slap fight each other over a mock draft in January. He did what he wanted. People to read his story and flail their arms around screaming.
RE: Daniel Jones reminds me of a poor man's Josh Allen  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/6/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14249268 SHO'NUFF said:
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if he's there in Round 2, sure why not...


Allen has about 2x the throwing power and running ability while Jones has better touch and accuracy (much better QB coaching).

Allen is the guy you take Top 10 because of the physical talent; Jones is a fringe Day 2 pick because he is more a finished product with a far more limited ceiling
ďCheese and crackers!Ē  
Mike from Ohio : 1/6/2019 8:55 am : link
Haha
RE: one last thing with Haskins  
bw in dc : 1/6/2019 9:06 am : link
In comment 14249325 huygens20 said:
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One of the reasons why I was hugely against Darnold was because of his decision making on breakdown plays.


Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.


Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.


Did you watch any Ohio State games this year?

Letís assume you did. Outside of the second half of the Washington game, find me a game where Haskinsís oline broke down and he wasnít afforded a consistently clean pocket. And let me know which games he played where he didnít have receivers consistently breaking free - by yards - of the coverage.

Iím not saying the guy isnít a good prospect. But heís very difficult to evaluate because he played under great circumstances with that offense in a very down year for the B1G.
Giants do need a replacement for Eli;  
DonnieD89 : 1/6/2019 9:36 am : link
however, I donít am not even sure Haskins is valued by the Giants at #6. Evaluating this yearís strengths and weaknesses, the most glaring need is a pass rusher and right tackle. I would even go as far as saying the most important need is Edge Rusher. This is the strength of this yearĎs draft, and the Giants cannot afford to forfeit any draft picks in the future, based on the lack of talent at many positions currently. I totally disagree with trading up to get Haskins at #6.
RE: trade up  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14249340 Allen in CNJ said:
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to get a guy that'll be there at 6?

NO.

I'm not sold on Haskins -- look at how much time he has when he's back there!!! The guy will be running for his life in blue!


So what college QB prospect performed well while being pressured that you have a better feeling for?
I think people better start warming up to  
stoneman : 1/6/2019 9:38 am : link
Rashan Gary or Josh Allen (he may fall abit).
RE: NOBODY  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14249327 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.


George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?
RE: Giants do need a replacement for Eli;  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14249455 DonnieD89 said:
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however, I donít am not even sure Haskins is valued by the Giants at #6. Evaluating this yearís strengths and weaknesses, the most glaring need is a pass rusher and right tackle. I would even go as far as saying the most important need is Edge Rusher. This is the strength of this yearĎs draft, and the Giants cannot afford to forfeit any draft picks in the future, based on the lack of talent at many positions currently. I totally disagree with trading up to get Haskins at #6.


Donnie, if not last year or this year we draft a 1st round QB then when? We have a tone of needs but not every need is filled through the draft. Right tackle is a need but whoís he protecting? If we finish with a better record this year weíre going to have to trade up in next years draft, just curious why thereís so much resistance if we trade up for Haskins.
Its early but my guess is Giants should be able to trade down  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 10:20 am : link
to get Haskins...
RE: Its early but my guess is Giants should be able to trade down  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14249513 Jimmy Googs said:
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to get Haskins...


Trade down? So you donít think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?
RE: RE: Its early but my guess is Giants should be able to trade down  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14249515 Dutch77 said:
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to get Haskins...



Trade down? So you donít think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?


So you think you know on Jan 6th absolutely which QB will go first, which teams will absolutely select one in the first round and that Haskins is absolutely that guy?

This make you absolutely the smartest person in the world...
Jacksonville probably signs a fa QB  
rasbutant : 1/6/2019 10:31 am : link
Washington I am guessing will be in the market for a rookie.
Cinny, raiders, Miami, Pats, NO, Denver.
RE: one last thing with Haskins  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14249325 huygens20 said:
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One of the reasons why I was hugely against Darnold was because of his decision making on breakdown plays.


Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.


Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.


Great point on Darnold yet most here wanted us to draft him.
RE: RE: NOBODY  
section125 : 1/6/2019 10:34 am : link
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would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.



George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?


Just because he is a QB does not mean he is better than Josh Allen(for example). If both were equal in ability(i.e., elite starter), Haskins would be better value. The question is if Haskins is worth the #6 pick, is he good enough to fulfill what a QB taken with the 6th pick should be. I like Haskins as much as any QB in the draft. I am not yet sure he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL at elite status. I am pretty certain that Josh Allen will be an elite ER in the NFL (well more certain than I would be of Haskins being an elite QB).
What everyone tends to forget  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2019 10:49 am : link
is that if Haskins turns out to be awesome, it wonít matter if we traded up to get him.
RE: RE: RE: NOBODY  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14249538 section125 said:
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would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.



George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?



Just because he is a QB does not mean he is better than Josh Allen(for example). If both were equal in ability(i.e., elite starter), Haskins would be better value. The question is if Haskins is worth the #6 pick, is he good enough to fulfill what a QB taken with the 6th pick should be. I like Haskins as much as any QB in the draft. I am not yet sure he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL at elite status. I am pretty certain that Josh Allen will be an elite ER in the NFL (well more certain than I would be of Haskins being an elite QB).


I didnít say the QB is better player, I simply said the QB is the better value if you need one (which no one can argue we donít). This is a similar situation to last year when we took Saquon and most posters here lost their minds when we past on Sam Darnold. Now a year later all of a sudden the QB (if itís Haskins) is in question because his offensive line blocked for him or whatever else people have issues with. Sam Darnold in his rookie year in the NFL has made some of the same bonehead mistakes he did when he was in college but yet there are some that still would have drafted him regardless.

RE: RE: RE: Its early but my guess is Giants should be able to trade down  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 11:31 am : link
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to get Haskins...



Trade down? So you donít think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?



So you think you know on Jan 6th absolutely which QB will go first, which teams will absolutely select one in the first round and that Haskins is absolutely that guy?

This make you absolutely the smartest person in the world...


Jimmy, I donít know just like everyone else here. What I know is Eliís career is ending sooner rather than later, Jacksonville benched and has somewhat publicly made it know they intend to move on from Blake Bortles (free agency or draft) and that Iím sick of throwing away seasons just to get some perfect QB that doesnít exist.
Agree  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 11:45 am : link
I am just saying its way to early to figure out who is picking who and even if Haskins goes that early.

His game is interesting but Ohio State QBs and the NFL do not mesh well...
Stupid article  
Bruner4329 : 1/6/2019 11:45 am : link
So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.
RE: Agree  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14249627 Jimmy Googs said:
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I am just saying its way to early to figure out who is picking who and even if Haskins goes that early.

His game is interesting but Ohio State QBs and the NFL do not mesh well...


I agree with you Jimmy about the concern over Ohio State QBís not being good proís but the same can be said for USC QBís or even Duke QBís (for those who love Jones).
RE: Stupid article  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14249628 Bruner4329 said:
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.


Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). Iíd like to ask you the same question?
another reason to  
bc4life : 1/6/2019 12:00 pm : link
disregard what Serby says
I'm not in favor of drafting Jones or Haskins, but to compare stats  
Ira : 1/6/2019 12:07 pm : link
of one qb with a top ol and receivers to a qb who has an ol like a sieve and receivers who specialize in drops makes no sense at all.
Iím Jones over Haskins  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 1:42 pm : link
Iíve watched both of them play (along with other QBs like Stanley from Iowa, Stick from NDSU, Stidham, Finley, Thorson, even Pats kid Kyle)

And I like Jones the best. I think he gives you the best package of everything. Reads the field well, makes pre snap adjustments, accurate at each level, heís a plus athlete, well coached, smart, tough, and a leader in the locker room.

You watch a lot of Haskinís games and the think that will jump out is he generally has all day to throw. He can sit back and hold the ball for as long as he wants. And even with that his decision making and placement is inconsistent. Whenever he is pressured it all comes unraveled even worse. Looking at him I get straight Byron Leftwitch vibes.

Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.
RE: RE: Stupid article  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 1:44 pm : link
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.



Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). Iíd like to ask you the same question?
I think Jones has made a number of very good plays under pressure. The but he canít both throw AND catch the ball. His WRs were trash.
RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14249804 GoDeep13 said:
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Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.


No effin way would I take Trubisky.
RE: RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
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Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.



No effin way would I take Trubisky.
you wouldnít want a 24 yr old mobile QB with the 3rd highest QBR behind only Mahomes and Brees? Interesting.
RE: RE: RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:48 pm : link
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Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.



No effin way would I take Trubisky.

you wouldnít want a 24 yr old mobile QB with the 3rd highest QBR behind only Mahomes and Brees? Interesting.


Not him, nope.
RE: BBI at 9:20 PM if this happens.  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:52 pm : link
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LOL....Exactly on point and I would be one of them
RE: RE: RE: RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 3:02 pm : link
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Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.



No effin way would I take Trubisky.

you wouldnít want a 24 yr old mobile QB with the 3rd highest QBR behind only Mahomes and Brees? Interesting.



Not him, nope.
so you wouldnít take Trubisky over Eli or all the FA QBs or the Draft QBs this year? Good thing you just watch football.
RE: RE: RE: Stupid article  
Dutch77 : 1/6/2019 3:03 pm : link
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.



Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). Iíd like to ask you the same question?

I think Jones has made a number of very good plays under pressure. The but he canít both throw AND catch the ball. His WRs were trash.


What game or games did Jones face this past year where you say he performed well under duress?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stupid article  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.



Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). Iíd like to ask you the same question?

I think Jones has made a number of very good plays under pressure. The but he canít both throw AND catch the ball. His WRs were trash.



What game or games did Jones face this past year where you say he performed well under duress?
the Miami game immediately comes too mind. Absolutely disgusting conditions to throw the ball agains a power school that vastly outmatches them in talent. His o-line was mandhandled and his receivers dropped like 6 big passes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
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so you wouldnít take Trubisky over Eli or all the FA QBs or the Draft QBs this year? Good thing you just watch football.


Eli, maybe. Look Trubisky is nothing special, IMV. If you like him fine.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Iím Jones over Haskins  
GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
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so you wouldnít take Trubisky over Eli or all the FA QBs or the Draft QBs this year? Good thing you just watch football.



Eli, maybe. Look Trubisky is nothing special, IMV. If you like him fine.
there are we donít need special. We need effective.
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GoDeep13 : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
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so you wouldnít take Trubisky over Eli or all the FA QBs or the Draft QBs this year? Good thing you just watch football.



Eli, maybe. Look Trubisky is nothing special, IMV. If you like him fine.

we donít need special. We need effective.
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section125 : 1/6/2019 3:39 pm : link
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so you wouldnít take Trubisky over Eli or all the FA QBs or the Draft QBs this year? Good thing you just watch football.



Eli, maybe. Look Trubisky is nothing special, IMV. If you like him fine.

we donít need special. We need effective.



Not with a 1st round pick. Lauletta could do that.
RE: Giants do need a replacement for Eli;  
DonnieD89 : 1/6/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14249455 DonnieD89 said:
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however, I donít am not even sure Haskins is valued by the Giants at #6. Evaluating this yearís strengths and weaknesses, the most glaring need is a pass rusher and right tackle. I would even go as far as saying the most important need is Edge Rusher. This is the strength of this yearĎs draft, and the Giants cannot afford to forfeit any draft picks in the future, based on the lack of talent at many positions currently. I totally disagree with trading up to get Haskins at #6.


Dutch, with all due respect, it would cost an arm and a leg to get a premium edge rusher through free agency. How is that working out with Oliviier Vernon? The Giants lost their ballgames in the second half of the season, because of a crappy defense with no pass rush. I firmly believe that DG and PS are very cognizant about the QB situation and where it is heading. They also are very much aware of the lack of talent In the trenches on both sides. You canít force a draft pick at any position, including QB. I like what I see in Haskins, but as it is pointed out, how is he against a pass rush under pressure? We donít have enough information to determine that. That is for the scouts to determine though. If DG in PS like him, they will take him.
RE: RE: Stupid article  
Bruner4329 : 1/6/2019 6:25 pm : link
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.



Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). Iíd like to ask you the same question?


In this year's upcoming draft none. But that is my point these guys including Haskins are over rated because all people see are him throwing the ball with a clean pocket 99% of the time. Last year I thought Mayfield had exhibited the most pre draft and from what I have seen I think he will be the best of the bunch. IMO jury still out on others. After today I really wonder if Jackson has all the tools to be a good NFL QB. All he has going for him are his legs.
Why has no one  
kes722 : 1/6/2019 7:37 pm : link
Talked about Lock?
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