Steve Serby's mock draft.
1. Cardinals - Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
2. Giants (from 49ers) - Dwayne Haskins (QB, Ohio State)
3. Jets - Quinnen Williams (DL, Alabama)
4. Raiders - Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
5. Buccaneers - Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
6. 49ers (from Giants) - Greedy Williams (CB, LSU)
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He had a couple terrible games this year, including a 59-7 to Wake Forest where he had a 50% completion rate.
I don't even care about the duke tie-in - he's just not going to be a quality NFL starter.
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Granted it’s highlight stuff but I’m impressed with his performance. First observations:
Strong arm, very athletic and mobile. Quick release and accurate passer. Good size.
I’m going to be interested in seeing more. Thoughts?
I'm all in to drafting Jones
Compared to Haskins you think Jones is the better prospect?
Yes
Based on what exactly? It can’t be prodction.
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK
Haskins: 373 533 4831 70.0 9.06 78 50 8 20
Jones: 237 392 2674 60.5 6.82 85 22 9 28
SHO’NUFF, which game or games did he fold under pressure? He’s only had 2 games this year where his completion % was less than 60%.
Gettleman is consistent in staying true to his board
He said that he always selects the best valued player in the first round
Even with the sixth pick much less the second pick the player must have Pro Bowl potential
I also find it hard to believe that Gettleman will draft a QB in the first round unless he trades down to the latter part of the first round
Lamar Jackson who was drafted 32 nd was a better prospect then any of the QBs available this year
He had a couple terrible games this year, including a 59-7 to Wake Forest where he had a 50% completion rate.
I don't even care about the duke tie-in - he's just not going to be a quality NFL starter.
FMIC,
I agree, I'm not a fan of Jones at all
Robbie you’re correct regarding stats but they can’t be ignored either. I’m just amazed at all of the Haskins hate by some.
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There is a lot to like about Haskins but there are questions that will not be answered and you basically have to guess. Imo, we know more about Jones than we do Haskins. I like Jones a lot but not at 6 and the same goes for Haskins. If Jones is sitting there in the second then I like that way more.
Robbie you’re correct regarding stats but they can’t be ignored either. I’m just amazed at all of the Haskins hate by some.
I don't hate him but I don't think you are talking to me about that. I get it. He had insane stats. I am also against the grain on the new trend where everybody seems to want a mobile QB. That is so secondary to me. If you cannot pass from the pocket in college then that isn't magically going to happen in the NFL. I like that is is a pocket passer. My concern is that we know what he can do from the pocket in ideal conditions but you will know more when things aren't perfect. It really is a gamble with projecting that part of his game. Adversity is a big part of evaluating any player especially the QB position. That is just my opinion.
If the Giants deem him the guy then great but I think it is more likely that a defensive player is our pick just because of the value and it fits a need.
Since every QB is a huge gamble/risk and no one knows for certain which ones will pan out, does that mean you don’t take a chance on the most important position in Football? Whether you like it or not Eli’s career is ending.
I've had about enough of these idiot "journalists."
IMO Haskins reminds me of Roethlisberger, aka big rapist.
He's got tremendous deep ball accuracy and loves to shuffle himself around in the pocket on breakdown and offscript plays. He's a thick body and isnt easily taken down.
I love his intermediate accuracy too and he's got a lot of throws in him where he's fitting it into tight windows on good coverage and can deliver the ball with a variety of ways-- he can float it, hes got a good arm for flat laser beams, and can throw on the run.
I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy.
fwiw, last year I thought mayfield & lamar jackson --gap-- rosen darnold --- allen were my rankings. You cannot teach accuracy and being able to throw on the run. Mayfield was easily my #1 and Jackson my #2 because i felt he improved every year.
Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.
Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.
IMO Haskins reminds me of Roethlisberger, aka big rapist.
He's got tremendous deep ball accuracy and loves to shuffle himself around in the pocket on breakdown and offscript plays. He's a thick body and isnt easily taken down.
I love his intermediate accuracy too and he's got a lot of throws in him where he's fitting it into tight windows on good coverage and can deliver the ball with a variety of ways-- he can float it, hes got a good arm for flat laser beams, and can throw on the run.
I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy.
fwiw, last year I thought mayfield & lamar jackson --gap-- rosen darnold --- allen were my rankings. You cannot teach accuracy and being able to throw on the run. Mayfield was easily my #1 and Jackson my #2 because i felt he improved every year.
I have to ask, what the fuck are you talking about when you just randomly throw in the line "I know a lot of guys here would have an issue with drafting a black quarterback, but i would be ecstatic to have him as the next guy."?
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Ask JonC who/how he is connected. He likely won't tell you. But he's not wrong. He's careful in what he reveals. He's no Slade. But when he mentions the thinking inside 1925 Giants Drive, it is worth paying attention to.
“He’s no Slade.” LOL.
I love that guy...
The Slade reference was more about style. JonC, Hitdog, et al. will post a comment that is succinct and discreet in a thread discussion. Slade drops a thread bomb and 300 comments later he is no where to be found. Nevermind that he is never right, he seems to thrive on the attention. The Others just share the info. They don't care who reads it.
NO.
I'm not sold on Haskins -- look at how much time he has when he's back there!!! The guy will be running for his life in blue!
Gettleman is consistent in staying true to his board
He said that he always selects the best valued player in the first round
Even with the sixth pick much less the second pick the player must have Pro Bowl potential
I also find it hard to believe that Gettleman will draft a QB in the first round unless he trades down to the latter part of the first round
Lamar Jackson who was drafted 32 nd was a better prospect then any of the QBs available this year
Actually he isn't. There were a number of NFL teams that wanted to draft Jackson as a WR and did not see him as a QB. So to say Jackson was a better QB prospect than any QB in this draft is silly. He is more a RB playing QB than QB.
He got a bunch of Giants fans to slap fight each other over a mock draft in January. He did what he wanted. People to read his story and flail their arms around screaming.
Allen has about 2x the throwing power and running ability while Jones has better touch and accuracy (much better QB coaching).
Allen is the guy you take Top 10 because of the physical talent; Jones is a fringe Day 2 pick because he is more a finished product with a far more limited ceiling
Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.
Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.
Did you watch any Ohio State games this year?
Let’s assume you did. Outside of the second half of the Washington game, find me a game where Haskins’s oline broke down and he wasn’t afforded a consistently clean pocket. And let me know which games he played where he didn’t have receivers consistently breaking free - by yards - of the coverage.
I’m not saying the guy isn’t a good prospect. But he’s very difficult to evaluate because he played under great circumstances with that offense in a very down year for the B1G.
NO.
I'm not sold on Haskins -- look at how much time he has when he's back there!!! The guy will be running for his life in blue!
So what college QB prospect performed well while being pressured that you have a better feeling for?
George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?
Donnie, if not last year or this year we draft a 1st round QB then when? We have a tone of needs but not every need is filled through the draft. Right tackle is a need but who’s he protecting? If we finish with a better record this year we’re going to have to trade up in next years draft, just curious why there’s so much resistance if we trade up for Haskins.
Trade down? So you don’t think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?
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Trade down? So you don’t think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?
So you think you know on Jan 6th absolutely which QB will go first, which teams will absolutely select one in the first round and that Haskins is absolutely that guy?
This make you absolutely the smartest person in the world...
Cinny, raiders, Miami, Pats, NO, Denver.
Darnold consistently in college when scrambling forced the ball downfield and often threw it into double and triple coverage. His film is littered with plays that make you want to tear your eyes out. He couldnt read defenses and didnt anticipate enough for me. I was really down on him after he didnt show proper improvement in year 2.
Haskins has very clean film in this regard. I would put him ahead of Mayfield as a prospect on my list because of his consistent ability to make the right plays. He's not wandering like Darnold did, Josh Allen did. Every playcall he knows where the ball is supposed to go and there isnt alot of guessing going on in his head.
Great point on Darnold yet most here wanted us to draft him.
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would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.
George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?
Just because he is a QB does not mean he is better than Josh Allen(for example). If both were equal in ability(i.e., elite starter), Haskins would be better value. The question is if Haskins is worth the #6 pick, is he good enough to fulfill what a QB taken with the 6th pick should be. I like Haskins as much as any QB in the draft. I am not yet sure he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL at elite status. I am pretty certain that Josh Allen will be an elite ER in the NFL (well more certain than I would be of Haskins being an elite QB).
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would have a problem with drafting an African American QB with the 6th pick or even the 1st pick. The only problem is that Haskins is not better value than anybody being projected as a top six pick.
George, how is Haskins (if rated the top QB in this draft) not the better value since he plays the most important position on the field ( also a BIG position of need) vs anybody else projected as a top 6 pick?
Just because he is a QB does not mean he is better than Josh Allen(for example). If both were equal in ability(i.e., elite starter), Haskins would be better value. The question is if Haskins is worth the #6 pick, is he good enough to fulfill what a QB taken with the 6th pick should be. I like Haskins as much as any QB in the draft. I am not yet sure he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL at elite status. I am pretty certain that Josh Allen will be an elite ER in the NFL (well more certain than I would be of Haskins being an elite QB).
I didn’t say the QB is better player, I simply said the QB is the better value if you need one (which no one can argue we don’t). This is a similar situation to last year when we took Saquon and most posters here lost their minds when we past on Sam Darnold. Now a year later all of a sudden the QB (if it’s Haskins) is in question because his offensive line blocked for him or whatever else people have issues with. Sam Darnold in his rookie year in the NFL has made some of the same bonehead mistakes he did when he was in college but yet there are some that still would have drafted him regardless.
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to get Haskins...
Trade down? So you don’t think Jacksonville needs a QB and they happen to pick right after us?
So you think you know on Jan 6th absolutely which QB will go first, which teams will absolutely select one in the first round and that Haskins is absolutely that guy?
This make you absolutely the smartest person in the world...
Jimmy, I don’t know just like everyone else here. What I know is Eli’s career is ending sooner rather than later, Jacksonville benched and has somewhat publicly made it know they intend to move on from Blake Bortles (free agency or draft) and that I’m sick of throwing away seasons just to get some perfect QB that doesn’t exist.
His game is interesting but Ohio State QBs and the NFL do not mesh well...
His game is interesting but Ohio State QBs and the NFL do not mesh well...
I agree with you Jimmy about the concern over Ohio State QB’s not being good pro’s but the same can be said for USC QB’s or even Duke QB’s (for those who love Jones).
Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). I’d like to ask you the same question?
And I like Jones the best. I think he gives you the best package of everything. Reads the field well, makes pre snap adjustments, accurate at each level, he’s a plus athlete, well coached, smart, tough, and a leader in the locker room.
You watch a lot of Haskin’s games and the think that will jump out is he generally has all day to throw. He can sit back and hold the ball for as long as he wants. And even with that his decision making and placement is inconsistent. Whenever he is pressured it all comes unraveled even worse. Looking at him I get straight Byron Leftwitch vibes.
Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.
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So let me get this. Giants are going to trade up from 6 to 2 that will cost them a lot of capital in draft picks which we need, for a QB that at best is a middle first round pick. Come on wake up people. This aint happening Haskins may be the best QB in the draft but he is not a sure thing by far. If you watch the games sure he looks great, standing in the pocket for 10-15 seconds showing poise and then throwing a pass to a wide open WR. Fact is this is not reality. Ohio State talent is heads above most opponents they play. This is not the NFL. he is raw and unproven. Would like to see what he can do when he actually gets rushed and has a hand in his face. If DG did this then he really should be fired.
Bruner, I asked a previous poster to name a college QB prospect that they evaluated that they feel was a better prospect that performed well under pressure (No reply yet). I’d like to ask you the same question?
Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.
No effin way would I take Trubisky.
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Jones Reminds me of Mitch Trubisky. And while the opinions on Trubisky are split (I personally like him and expect him to continue to improve) Id thin a lot of you would take a Trubisky like talent to start 2019.
No effin way would I take Trubisky.