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For all you Dak haters out there

joe48 : 1/6/2019 5:38 am
All this guy does is win games. Yeah I know about bad mechanics and great supporting cast but he is slowly building a resume of winning. I would take him over Eli right now. I am not looking forward to seeing Eli under center next year. Hopefully, he decides to retire because I do not see him taking a pay cut. I think he has to be sick of losing.
I hate the Cowboys and I know they just won their first playoff game in 100 years or whatever but I am jealous when I see the talent they built through the draft.
I want a QB that is mobile and can extend plays. He doesnít have to be perfect. We won 2 SBís with a QB that has quite a few warts but had a team with a defense that could make a 4th quarter stop.
With all of the parity in this league we should be able to field a team that can at least be competitive especially in our division.
I have been a very long time fan that just wants to see the Giants be competitive again.
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RE: RE: It is stunning  
mittenedman : 1/6/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14249345 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14249341 joeinpa said:


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To see how much better the Cowboys have been in personnel evaluations



Their OL for certain. Where else? Zeke was a no-brainer the way SB was. They expected Romo to play in Ď16 but instead he missed the entire season(save for a Cameo at the end) and they threw Dak in there from the preseason on. He was virtually a throwaway type QB draft pick, who wasnít. So again, what am I missing?


Where else? Every freaking guy they've picked on D is contributing. This DT Woods is a monster. Awuzie, Vander Esch looks like Brian Urlacher. Jaylon Smith a home run. They've done a great job on both sides of the ball.

That said, I actually think Dak makes them beatable. If they had a legit great QB, they'd be the best team in the NFL.
This is somewhat of a silly post  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/6/2019 9:44 am : link
because of course you would take Dak over Eli at this moment, who wouldn't? Eli is at the end of his career, while Dak is entering his prime.

I do think Dak is overrated. He reminds me a lot of Joe Flacco, and we saw what happened there once the Ravens paid him a kings ransom salary. Gameplan against Dak is to keep him maintained in the pocket, he's much better on the run.
RE: Dep  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/6/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14249460 UConn4523 said:
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you are confusing what Cooper adds to what was already there. Not really sure why either. You arenít replacing Elliot, they probably barely see .500 if they remove Elliot and keep Cooper.

No question Dak needed Cooper but thatís how awful his weapons were before Coopers arrival. When you go from the worst WR corps in the league and then add a #1, he better have an impact.


I think the 2nd biggest thing Cooper added to this offense was opening up the running game for Zeke. A stud RB can really be a stud RB without 8 in the box every play. Zeke is definitely the engine but Cooper opened the whole thing up. Making Dak look better too. Sucks for us.
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ColHowPepper : 1/6/2019 9:46 am : link
Tim, those numbers are eye-opening, and pretty much refute any notion that the Cooper trade was not season-changing for the Cowboys. As with so many other Dallas moves, it was ridiculed by many here, as Dak has been.

Consider Dallas' last two starters at QB, an undrafted FA and a 4th rounder. Consider the Giants' last QB picks at lower than the last 1st rounder, names like Lauletta (has he had a reasonable shot), Nassib, Bomar, Woodson...

And anyone who argues that Dallas' recent success in the draft has been limited to the OL has not been paying attention.

I think Dallas can give NO and/or the Rams a real contest, ball control offense, keeping the ball out of the hands of the top seeds' hands, and a D that can limit them. Will be interesting. I don't like it, but it will be interesting.

I have to say that watching the excitement and intensity of Dallas in the first half, I thought back to 2007-8 playoffs, and how we were jelling, intensity both sides of the ball, no one really giving NYG a shot to go deep into the post-season.

Man, I miss that feeling. It's been a long time. Time to change the script.
He won a home playoff  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2019 9:50 am : link
game...good for Dak. Still not the least bit scared of going against him anytime we play him.
not sure Dak can do the things that great QBs do  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/6/2019 9:54 am : link
which is play from behind. If the Dallas offense becomes one dimensional, he doesn't have the skills to take the game on his shoulders. As long as they are in ball control mode he is fine. But he depends, more than most QBs, to play within a run-heavy offensive system.

And the defense really won that game last night. Offense made enough plays to win against a team that was stubborn offensively.
Cooper  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 9:56 am : link
was indeed the missing piece.....they never replaced Bryant....they have now.....it's hard to believe he only cost $412K this year in cap.....next year 14M....

As for Dak, he does make some great throws, but he is not consistent on the longer ones....they have one more year before they have to pay him....

Without a doubt, they have drafted very well.....and unfortunately, they will be the team to beat the next few years to come.
Youíre right - he canít play from behind.  
cosmicj : 1/6/2019 9:57 am : link
That difficult winning TD throw against us two weeks ago took place in an alternate reality, not here on earth.

Look, I donít think Dak is one of the leagueís best QBs, but heís showing up to be a solid midlevel starter.
Cooper helped the offense  
pjcas18 : 1/6/2019 10:03 am : link
because they didn't really have any legit WR threat and as mentioned he forced the defenses to respect the pass somewhat, but I wouldn't give him credit for anything more than that, they scored 30 points twice in 10 games while he's been a Cowboy - the Giants offense would be hammered for that.

Just my opinion, but keys to the game were ball control, defense and not turning the ball over (too much) that won that game.

I'd rank Dallas reasons for success: DEF (as a whole), OL, Zeke, Dak, Cooper.

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CalZone : 1/6/2019 10:07 am : link
Nothing but respect to Dak Prescott right now. He stepped up big time both last week against us and yesterday in the 4th quarter. Put his body on the line in both games.
He's playing inspired, and it's effecting the team around him.
Good for him.
Any QB that can extend plays...  
silverfox : 1/6/2019 10:12 am : link
...is better than Eli and that's a bunch of them. Eli can only be successful with a top 5 defense and OL. He is wasting everybody's time being the Giants QB.
RE: Youíre right - he canít play from behind.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/6/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14249487 cosmicj said:
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That difficult winning TD throw against us two weeks ago took place in an alternate reality, not here on earth.

Look, I donít think Dak is one of the leagueís best QBs, but heís showing up to be a solid midlevel starter.
That isn't what I mean. It is playing down a couple of scores against a quality defense. It is hard to suggest that making that throw against the Giants 4th quarter defense is a measuring stick.
I simply don't know why posters on BBI  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 10:14 am : link
cannot be objective when speaking about other QBs in the division.

Not trying to turn this into a Eli-debate, but it just screams of stupidity not to give Dak credit for his playmaking ability that helped get his team INTO the playoffs and now DEEPER thru the playoffs.

I don't hate Dak  
pjcas18 : 1/6/2019 10:26 am : link
by any measure other than by association because I hate the Cowboys.

But this is kind of like saying "all Joe Flacco does is win" in 2012.

Prescott is 1 - 1 in the playoffs.

He had a 13 - 3 rookie season where they lost their first playoff game and then two mediocre seasons (W/L)

Let's let him win a few more meaningful games before giving him the "all he does is win" moniker.


RE: Any QB that can extend plays...  
CalZone : 1/6/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14249507 silverfox said:
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...is better than Eli and that's a bunch of them. Eli can only be successful with a top 5 defense and OL. He is wasting everybody's time being the Giants QB.


Its frustrating to be sure. I'm certainly in the minority here I'm sure, but I think he could extend plays more if he wanted to regardless of his age. I see it once in a blue moon in these past two years. He limits himself for whatever reason (e.g. not getting hurt).
This is what has irritated me most about Eli. He could be better if he got out of his standard routine of teaching route concepts and depths to receivers.
If he said to his wife and kids; "If I die out on the field, then so be it", he would open up the field.
RE: not sure Dak can do the things that great QBs do  
ColHowPepper : 1/6/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14249485 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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which is play from behind. If the Dallas offense becomes one dimensional, he doesn't have the skills to take the game on his shoulders. As long as they are in ball control mode he is fine. But he depends, more than most QBs, to play within a run-heavy offensive system.
And the defense really won that game last night. Offense made enough plays to win against a team that was stubborn offensively.
Peter, fair enough. But I think it has to be said that, against NO and LA, for example, you want to be able to control the ball and clock to keep their (Brees/Goff) O off the field and EE gives Dallas that dimension, putting aside Dallas D, which is very good. But point is that Cooper does open up its O enough and afford ops for Jarwin and Gallup to mitigate the one-dimensional argument.

It was a ballsy and very successful in-season move. Legit question (not Giant bashing): when was the last time NYG did engineer a season-altering in-season move?
RE: I hope Dak Prescott makes a ton of money  
djm : 1/6/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14249382 arniefez said:
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and is the Cowboys QB for a long time.


Yea because that will ensure that they suck? Give me a fucking break.
RE: RE: DAL  
djm : 1/6/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14249395 JohnB said:
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is going to be THE team in the division for the next 2-3 years. Their nucleus is rock solid.



That's what they said about Philly last year.


Philly is once again in the playoffs.
Lol love these guys who say Eli needs a top defense  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 10:31 am : link
and OL to win...

And then use examples like Dak...who has a top defense and OL...
A few things to keep in mind with no order of importance:  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 10:32 am : link
-Every year, thereís a new team in the division that will be ďa thorn in our side for years to come.Ē

Rarely works out that way. FA defections, injuries, etc., usually detours that. Also, good or bad, the Eagles and Cowboys are thorns in our sides anyway,

-Some People on this board are game to gamers vis a vis their proclamations. The Cowboys could easily shit the bed next week especially Dak, who ďsomehow gets it done.Ē

-Everything is fluid, especially in this era of football, so, aside from the Patriots, most everything is unknowing
RE: I hope Dak Prescott makes a ton of money  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14249382 arniefez said:
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and is the Cowboys QB for a long time.


Me too, heís still not a very good QB and will choke when it matters.
Awesome thread  
Motley Two : 1/6/2019 10:40 am : link
I'm gonna go start one for all the Tom Brady Haters

Because I'm a fucking dork
Hereís what giants fans need to do  
djm : 1/6/2019 10:42 am : link
This year and the next few years, pray like hell we have seen the last of any nfc east team not named the giants advance very far in the postseason. This sucks.
He can play...  
trueblueinpw : 1/6/2019 10:52 am : link
Seems better In the big spots too. The man can play. Give him his due.

But, that offense belongs the Ewok. That run yesterday where the Seahawk safety lost outside contain and the Ewok gashed Ďem with a huge run outside was the play that broke that defense. When I watch the Cowboys itís always the Ewok that tells the tale. You take that Ewok out of the game and that entire team becomes susceptible to exposure of their weakness. Cooper made a big difference because heís a legit WR1 and defenses canít just focus on the RB. The Cowboys are a solid team all around, Dak can and does make plays at the QB position. But I donít think heís particularly gifted in his talent one way or another.
EE - 41 yard run prior to the half was the play of the game,  
GiantsUA : 1/6/2019 11:37 am : link
IMO, that run doesn't happen (36 contains), Dallas' loses.

Dak is a middling QB, I don't think he event sniffs the top 10. # 14-18.

Lots of QB's can do what he does  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2019 11:42 am : link
Dak is nothing special, he's a very average NFL QB
Well a lot of QBs won't be doing what he is doing next week  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 11:47 am : link
which is still playing...
Well a lot of QB's don't have Zeke, that OL, and a pretty good D eithe  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2019 11:48 am : link
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Yes that helps...just like a QB that you can win with  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 11:50 am : link
too
RE: Yes that helps...just like a QB that you can win with  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14249637 Jimmy Googs said:
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95% of the QBs in the league would still be playing if they were on that DAL team.
RE: Well a lot of QBs won't be doing what he is doing next week  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14249632 Jimmy Googs said:
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which is still playing...


I donít get it, whatís one got to do with the other? Heís playing and Aaron Rodgers isnít, so Daks better?

I know you arenít saying that, but then why say it at all?

Dak is part of why they are a good team but he isnít a QB that can carry a team. He does what they need to do and Cooper has helped him greatly. Good for him, im fine leaving it at that until he does something amazing.
Unfortunately this team is stacked  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 11:54 am : link
and under contract. If Travis Frederick comes back at 90 percent they gotta be a favorite for the superbowl.
RE: RE: Well a lot of QBs won't be doing what he is doing next week  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14249645 UConn4523 said:
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which is still playing...



I donít get it, whatís one got to do with the other? Heís playing and Aaron Rodgers isnít, so Daks better?

I know you arenít saying that, but then why say it at all?

Dak is part of why they are a good team but he isnít a QB that can carry a team. He does what they need to do and Cooper has helped him greatly. Good for him, im fine leaving it at that until he does something amazing.


missing the point...read above as i am very clear.
RE: RE: Yes that helps...just like a QB that you can win with  
GoBlue6599 : 1/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14249643 Ssanders9816 said:
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95% of the QBs in the league would still be playing if they were on that DAL team.

Lmao you canít make this sh*t up
RE: RE: Yes that helps...just like a QB that you can win with  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14249643 Ssanders9816 said:
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95% of the QBs in the league would still be playing if they were on that DAL team.


lord help me on this sunday...
Every team is a thorn in the Giants side  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 12:28 pm : link
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Dak =Eli in many ways  
5BowlsSoon : 1/6/2019 12:36 pm : link
Yeah, I know Dak can run and Eli canít, but the two of them have many similarities. Even their numbers this year are so very similar....look for yourself to see.

Eli won two SBs but letís be honest...he had a GREAT defense supporting him. He didnít need to score 35 points to win, just 20 or so. Dak is in the same situation....he ALSO has a GREAT defense and 24 for the most part can be good enough to win playoff games. Eli won both of those SBs with great 4th quarter drives. Dak is doing the same thing....playing big in the 4th quarter. Heck, this may not be saying much but look at Dallasí win against us a week ago. What a finish, including the two point. Who does that remind you of? ELI MANNING

I agree Eli can throw a more accurate long pass but Dak can extend plays with his legs, so maybe that is a wash.

One final point....it does appear to me Dallas drafts better and makes wiser offseason pick ups than we do. So often we pick up free agents who turn out to be duds. Dallas picks up fewer but wiser, or so it seems. I guess if I am wrong on this, someone will show me.
RE: Unfortunately this team is stacked  
Strahan91 : 1/6/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14249647 Zeke's Alibi said:
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and under contract. If Travis Frederick comes back at 90 percent they gotta be a favorite for the superbowl.

Well besides Lawrence. But after that they'll have a lot of tough decisions to make. Elliott wants an extension now according to a report I saw yesterday plus Dak, Cooper, Byron Jones, Jaylon Smith, and La'el Collins are all free agents after next season afaik
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 12:38 pm : link
They're doing a nice job with their roster construction there.

That said - Prescott's cap hit is basically that of a kicker right now and it has been this entire time. It is going to change things when that figure jumps up to about 20-25x what it is now.

Where I'll give them credit is that they've been willing to take some risks and it has panned out for them.

I still don't know what happened with La'el Collins behind the scenes or why no one was willing to even spend a 7th round pick on him in the draft - but Dallas wound up cashing in there.

Jaylon Smith was a risky pick, but they were willing to wait it out and now they're reaping the benefits.

Everyone - including me - seemed to think they blew it by passing on Calvin Ridley and taking Vander Esch instead. Can't deny that LVE has been really, really good. That looks like a great pick in retrospect.

And for all of the people who don't think you can be a winning football team when your offense is built around a running back - well; Dallas drafted Elliott 4th overall in 2016 and that's exactly what they're doing there. Everything goes through 21.

Dak has played well lately. He also had a bunch of crappy/nondescript performances earlier in the year. It was only a couple of months ago that he was being questioned by basically everyone and popular opinion seemed to be that he was not a franchise QB. Now, he is again. That's the NFL for you.

I think Dallas has to pay him now - and once they do, they'll have to make some roster sacrifices elsewhere.
RE: Dak =Eli in many ways  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14249704 5BowlsSoon said:
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Yeah, I know Dak can run and Eli canít, but the two of them have many similarities. Even their numbers this year are so very similar....look for yourself to see.

Eli won two SBs but letís be honest...he had a GREAT defense supporting him. He didnít need to score 35 points to win, just 20 or so. Dak is in the same situation....he ALSO has a GREAT defense and 24 for the most part can be good enough to win playoff games. Eli won both of those SBs with great 4th quarter drives. Dak is doing the same thing....playing big in the 4th quarter. Heck, this may not be saying much but look at Dallasí win against us a week ago. What a finish, including the two point. Who does that remind you of? ELI MANNING

I agree Eli can throw a more accurate long pass but Dak can extend plays with his legs, so maybe that is a wash.

One final point....it does appear to me Dallas drafts better and makes wiser offseason pick ups than we do. So often we pick up free agents who turn out to be duds. Dallas picks up fewer but wiser, or so it seems. I guess if I am wrong on this, someone will show me.


Barely anything about Manning and Prescott are similar. They're pretty much nothing alike.
RE: The Cowboys would have notched a playoff win in Jan 2017  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14249466 cosmicj said:
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Against a good Packers team if it wasnít for an incredible performance by Rodgers. Dak had a better QBR than Rodgers that day, too. I think thereís a lot of anti Cowboys bias being shown here.

One of the things that bugs me often about can player evaluations is overlooking the fact that late round selections are also growing on the job. It isnít just high picks who improve. A QB like Dak isnít a finished product and will likely be improving in the future.

+1 Much as I hate the Cowboys, there is no denying that Dak is growing into the job and at this point is a much more effective QB than Eli, mostly do to his ability to extend a play.
RE: RE: Dak =Eli in many ways  
5BowlsSoon : 1/6/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14249714 arcarsenal said:
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Yeah, I know Dak can run and Eli canít, but the two of them have many similarities. Even their numbers this year are so very similar....look for yourself to see.

Eli won two SBs but letís be honest...he had a GREAT defense supporting him. He didnít need to score 35 points to win, just 20 or so. Dak is in the same situation....he ALSO has a GREAT defense and 24 for the most part can be good enough to win playoff games. Eli won both of those SBs with great 4th quarter drives. Dak is doing the same thing....playing big in the 4th quarter. Heck, this may not be saying much but look at Dallasí win against us a week ago. What a finish, including the two point. Who does that remind you of? ELI MANNING

I agree Eli can throw a more accurate long pass but Dak can extend plays with his legs, so maybe that is a wash.

One final point....it does appear to me Dallas drafts better and makes wiser offseason pick ups than we do. So often we pick up free agents who turn out to be duds. Dallas picks up fewer but wiser, or so it seems. I guess if I am wrong on this, someone will show me.



Barely anything about Manning and Prescott are similar. They're pretty much nothing alike.


You didnít read the post. Sigh....

One major point I made to make things simple for you....both were not required to score a lot of points behind great defenses.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 12:57 pm : link
Your post doesn't say they have many similarities?

Do you need me to bold it for you?

Maybe you didn't read it. They don't have "many" similarities. Basically nothing about them is comparable or similar. Your post is a bunch of nothing.
He is the very definition of average  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
Andy Daltonesque. Maybe I watched too many games with him leading a Cole Beasley lead passing attack, but he's mobile but not scary mobile, weak armed and not decisive.
RE: The Amari Cooper trade  
santacruzom : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14249368 dep026 said:
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Was ridiculed and laughed at.

He has single handily transformed that offense. Elliott l, Dak, and the OL get the pub..... but heís their real MVP. Without him, their offense is middle of road at best.


Yeah, definitely well worth the first round pick so far.

If the point of draft picks is to acquire very good players with them, the Cowboys certainly did so.
Thanks arcarsenal . . . Just So Much Stupid . . .  
BobbyJohnson4thand17 : 1/6/2019 3:39 pm : link
This is not about pro-Eli or anti-Eli. Can our opinions at least have some rational relationship with facts? Let's start with joe48 saying throwing out the straw man that we won two (2) Super Bowls with a QB with warts who had defenses that were able to make fourth quarter stops so it's not too farfetched to think Dak can have similar success. Yes, the '07 team did hold the Pats to 14 points. But the defense did give up the lead late in the game. Do 49ers fans discount Joe Montana's drive in Super Bowl 23 because the defense held the Bengals to 16 points? I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say the '07 Pats were a much better team (offensively and DEFENSIVELY) than the '88 Bengals.

Second, please stop espousing that there are similarities between Dak and Eli. Other than both having played their college football in Mississippi, and both being the QBs for NFC East teams, they share no similarities. Dak has played in two playoff games and has actually played pretty well. It took a herculean effort from Rodgers to beat them a couple years back. But please get back to me when he overcomes, and simultaneously outplays the opposing QB, something akin to the following:

1) 13-3 No. 1 seed on the road;
2) 13-3 No. 2 seed on the road;
3) 18-0 AFC champion on a neutral site;
4) 15-1 No. 1 seed on the road;
5) 13-3 No. 2 seed on the road;
6) 13-3 AFC champion on a neutral site.

Again, there are very little to no similarities between Eli and Dak. He is never going to throw for 50K career yards or 350+ career touchdowns. In fairness, he's also not going to throw over 230+ interceptions. That's because he is a completely different QB than Eli. That doesn't mean he won't have or continue to sustain a successful career as a good QB. But his greatest current value is his cost control. See what happened to the Seahawks and Dallas has not had anywhere near the success Seattle had with Russell Wilson. I beg, please stop with the STUPID and start basing opinions on facts.
Game set match...  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 3:44 pm : link
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This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 3:54 pm : link
guy has been on a Dak crusade all week.

He posted a couple of days ago that Dak has 14 4th quarter comebacks.

The number is actually 8 and it ranks him 24th since he came into the league.

But we'll likely see the career arc of Dak on display next week. When he'll have to get into a shootout in a critical game, he'll come out on the short end of the stick.
Oh, I hope the Cowboys extend Dak  
SHO'NUFF : 1/6/2019 4:20 pm : link
for big $$$$$$$$$...a dream come true
Funny  
aka dbrny : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
A lot of hard core Dallas fans are not sold on Dak
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