For all you Dak haters out there

just remember we've been to 3 super bowls since the cowboys last got there and won 2 of them. So screw Dak and screw the Cowboys.

To see how much better the Cowboys have been in personnel evaluations

In comment 14249341 joeinpa said:

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To see how much better the Cowboys have been in personnel evaluations

Their OL for certain. Where else? Zeke was a no-brainer the way SB was. They expected Romo to play in �16 but instead he missed the entire season(save for a Cameo at the end) and they threw Dak in there from the preseason on. He was virtually a throwaway type QB draft pick, who wasn�t. So again, what am I missing?

they draft well...

Your forgetting all the good defensive players they have selected over the last few years including their rookie pro bowl linebacker

good points

A leap forward this year. Not a huge fan of his game but right now he�s figuring out ways to win and gave up his body twice last night to make big plays.

is going to be THE team in the division for the next 2-3 years. Their nucleus is rock solid.

In comment 14249360 Sy'56 said:

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is going to be THE team in the division for the next 2-3 years. Their nucleus is rock solid.

Yep...

7 out of Cowboys last 9 first round selections have earned all pro selections in their careers.

Dez Bryant (drafted 2010)

Tyron Smith (2011)
Travis Frederick (2013)
Zach Martin (2014)
Byron Jones(2015)
Ezekiel Elliott (2016)
Leighton Vander Esch (2018).

the first year back from ACL is always dicey. Wentz will be back to his old form in the near future. They also dealt with a ton of injuries this year. The sad state of affairs is that the two teams we hate the most have much more young talent than we do at the moment and more importantly they both have their young QB and we do not.

therefore he will be scorned here.

But the OP is correct, all he does is win. No he isn't a tier 1 QB, but with Elliot and that oline, he is plenty good enough to win. He's big and hard to tackle. Has just enough run ability to make plays and get 1st downs. Seems to be a smart guy and he makes some very nice throws. He is smart enough not run so much as to get hurt.

I'm not sure he is worthy of 6/$150 mill contract, maybe not even $120 mill. But depending on their playoff run he could be in play for 6/$90 to $100 mill. They could add escalators and incentives to sweeten the deal. Frankly, I think they keep him.

isn�t some big achievement. I�d take just about every starting QB on their rookie contract over Eli. Daks biggest asset is his cap hit, hopefully he gets paid as a top QB and then see how things are.

No doubt he�s playing well, but I�ll reserve judgement until I see more. Similar to Lamar Jackson, those teams go as their defense goes and Russell Wilson was checking down the majority of the game last night.

I wasn�t referring to Prescott or Elliot with my comments

It was that defense, most especially the linebackers and of course the O line, that stands out in direct contrast to the lack of success the Giants have had there.

Was ridiculed and laughed at.

He has single handily transformed that offense. Elliott l, Dak, and the OL get the pub..... but he�s their real MVP. Without him, their offense is middle of road at best.

In comment 14249368 dep026 said:

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Was ridiculed and laughed at. He has single handily transformed that offense. Elliott l, Dak, and the OL get the pub..... but he�s their real MVP. Without him, their offense is middle of road at best.

You add Cooper to virtually any team with a fair offense and it is greatly enhanced.
IMHO, Elliot is the clear MVP of that offense. Did Cooper help turn the offense around? I would not go that far - maybe put it over the top. What he did was pull safeties off the LoS and give Dak a deep threat.

it�s still the OL and run game. Why do you think Cooper is having an easier time than he did in Oakland. Kudos for him on focusing more, cleaning up his drops, and playing like a #1, but he is not their mvp - they have their own 2,000 yard player who�s the heart and soul of that offense.

Cooper comes in and was on pace for 1400 yards and 11-12 TDS. He was big plays all over the field. He may not be as good as Elliott or Martin or Smith.... but without him.... I would wager they don�t make the playoffs.

He turned that whole offense around. I believe Elliott�s numbers went way up too. Just an enormous enormous impact he has made.

Is another component that was needed by that offense

In comment 14249367 joeinpa said:

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I wasn�t referring to Prescott or Elliot with my comments It was that defense, most especially the linebackers and of course the O line, that stands out in direct contrast to the lack of success the Giants have had there.

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In comment 14249374 dep026 said:

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Cooper comes in and was on pace for 1400 yards and 11-12 TDS. He was big plays all over the field. He may not be as good as Elliott or Martin or Smith.... but without him.... I would wager they don�t make the playoffs. He turned that whole offense around. I believe Elliott�s numbers went way up too. Just an enormous enormous impact he has made.

Yes, he adds that final touch and he is elite. He definitely improved the offense. I did see Jenkins shut him down last week, though(FWIW).

But even last night, Elliot was the driving force to the offense. He is a bulldozer with speed.

and is the Cowboys QB for a long time.

In comment 14249360 Sy'56 said:

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is going to be THE team in the division for the next 2-3 years. Their nucleus is rock solid.

IF they are able to keep it together. They have to pay a lot of big contracts starting this off-season. At some point, either talent leaves for more money or the cowboys pay up and can't field the same level talent at other positions on the roster.

DLaw will be paid. Amari will be paid. Dak will be paid. Zeke is due in another year. At which point, the OL will begin to erode (they already have with the injuries). Gregory is a line of blow from being out of the league. They have their work cut out for them to keep the talent.

as he is. Remember he's a 4th round pick too. And yes I hope they do pay him a ton of money so it will make it tougher for them to bring in other talent.

Aikman made sure to point it out last night.

yet has other attributes to his game that are above average. You don't have to be good at all facets to start at QB in the NFL...we know that painfully well.

With his good and bad attributes, Dak has his team playing in the middle of January. So think about which ones are most important in his case...

In comment 14249360 Sy'56 said:

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is going to be THE team in the division for the next 2-3 years. Their nucleus is rock solid.

That's what they said about Philly last year.

The better he plays, the more I hate him.

Their offense is built on their OL and pro bowl RB. They want to play smash mouth football. They also have a top 5 defense built on incredible speed.

They don�t need a QB who throws the ball 35 to 40 times a game. Dak is really the perfect QB for this offense. The addition of Cooper at WR was the missing piece for this offense.

Cowboys are now built to be the top team in. NFC East for the next 3 to 5 years unfortunately. We are going to have to deal with this for the foreseeable future

I HATE the COWBOYS

Eliott, the OL, and that Defense...yet another example of you win in the trenches even in today's NFL...

So yes I agree with the OP about Dallas supporting cast and Dak playing well but them winning their first playoff game in 23 years doesn't impress me...

The Giants put up 35 points on this D who just held Seattle to 14...yes I know Dallas had nothing to play for but the Giants also didn't have OBJ...

Bottom line the Giants are not far off...they need to continue to upgrade the OL and if they can somehow pick up a couple impact defensive players they will be right there with Dallas...

and it really is a function of Cooper�s arrival. Not counting the Tennessee loss because Copper had just arrived days before, Dallas is 8-1 with him as their primary receiver. Dak is like 13/4 TDs to INTs well over 70% completion rate and a QBR of 65+.

It just jumps off the page the difference he�s made. His arrival has accelerated the development of Gallup, the TEs are now interesting, and the running game has real purpose.

Keep this is mind, too. That oline has been below their past standards. Tyron Smith has been poor. It�s an absolute joke he made the pro bowl. The loss of Frederick was indeed a big deal. He was the glue of that interior. Martin also had a blah year by his standards. And LG has been a constant struggle to find some consistency.

Dak still needs more refinement to his game. But he�s got a great asset for today�s game - his lateral and vertical mobility. He is a threat to keep plays alive and get yards with his feet. There is a real dual threat to his game.

Dallas is fortune to have found him in the 4th round. That 2016 draft by the Cowboys is one of the great drafts of the last 20 years.

Jerry Reese and Co at drafting.

In comment 14249411 TommyWiseau said:

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Jerry Reese and Co at drafting.

Stephen Jones to be accurate.

can win you games, obviously, but I would prefer a guy who can actually complete a pass more than once a game beyond 15 yards.

Not sure how much of that is him, his receivers, or the coaching staff keeping everything for him short.

He extends plays and is good enough on short and intermediate throws to keep the chains moving. In that system, with their running game, he�s all they need.

Its EE that is so hateable. Comes across as a total douche of a human.

And they are young and cheap. Going to be big problem for several years. The offense could not play keep up in a shoot out if the defense was folding. They are a run first old school offense. Dak manages them well.

Here's hoping the Saints figure out their mistake from last month and light them up.

with Zeke in his backfield.

Jerry has taken a back seat to McClay and his son Stephen when it comes to the drafts. Funny thing about McClay is he was the head coach of Dallas arena football team. That�s how Cowboys found him.

In comment 14249431 weeg in the bronx said:

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with Zeke in his backfield.

He had no problem ripping apart the Giants without Zeke

In comment 14249441 GoBlue6599 said:

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In comment 14249431 weeg in the bronx said: Quote: with Zeke in his backfield. He had no problem ripping apart the Giants without Zeke

Playing a big 12 defense isn�t something to hang your hat on.

Record before: 3-4
Record after: 7-2

Total offense before: 320 YPG
Total offense after: 362 YPG

Passing offense before: 183 YPG
Passing offense after: 250 YPG

3rd down % before: 32% (30th in the NFL)
3rd down % after: 48% (1st in the NFL)

In comment 14249444 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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Record before: 3-4 Record after: 7-2 Total offense before: 320 YPG Total offense after: 362 YPG Passing offense before: 183 YPG Passing offense after: 250 YPG 3rd down % before: 32% (30th in the NFL) 3rd down % after: 48% (1st in the NFL)

Just backs my point up. People forget that Cooper was scary good his first two years. Also, goes to show how Carr isnt cracked up to what people think..

Cooper is the difference in that offense.

In comment 14249382 arniefez said:

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and is the Cowboys QB for a long time.

Careful what wish for

In comment 14249416 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14249411 TommyWiseau said: Quote: Jerry Reese and Co at drafting. Stephen Jones to be accurate.

This

He�s another game manager. At his salary, he�s valuable. Once he gets paid market value for QB, he will be another example of how QB salaries - unless the QB is top tier - hamstring teams.

you are confusing what Cooper adds to what was already there. Not really sure why either. You aren�t replacing Elliot, they probably barely see .500 if they remove Elliot and keep Cooper.

No question Dak needed Cooper but that�s how awful his weapons were before Coopers arrival. When you go from the worst WR corps in the league and then add a #1, he better have an impact.

Against a good Packers team if it wasn�t for an incredible performance by Rodgers. Dak had a better QBR than Rodgers that day, too. I think there�s a lot of anti Cowboys bias being shown here.

One of the things that bugs me often about can player evaluations is overlooking the fact that late round selections are also growing on the job. It isn�t just high picks who improve. A QB like Dak isn�t a finished product and will likely be improving in the future.

They�ve built a nice team. They still should have lost last night. Cowboys have a good run defense and loaded the box. Seattle never adjusted. I�m aware they�re the #1 rushing team but it was not working last night. When i saw Brian Scottenheimer was the OC everything made sense. Do they know something about Russell Wilson that we dont? Why not let your best offensive player be more of a playmaker? (Again, normally i�m the last guy to abandon the run but last night it was a square peg down a round hole)

In comment 14249345 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14249341 joeinpa said: Quote: To see how much better the Cowboys have been in personnel evaluations Their OL for certain. Where else? Zeke was a no-brainer the way SB was. They expected Romo to play in �16 but instead he missed the entire season(save for a Cameo at the end) and they threw Dak in there from the preseason on. He was virtually a throwaway type QB draft pick, who wasn�t. So again, what am I missing?

Where else? Every freaking guy they've picked on D is contributing. This DT Woods is a monster. Awuzie, Vander Esch looks like Brian Urlacher. Jaylon Smith a home run. They've done a great job on both sides of the ball.

That said, I actually think Dak makes them beatable. If they had a legit great QB, they'd be the best team in the NFL.

because of course you would take Dak over Eli at this moment, who wouldn't? Eli is at the end of his career, while Dak is entering his prime.

I do think Dak is overrated. He reminds me a lot of Joe Flacco, and we saw what happened there once the Ravens paid him a kings ransom salary. Gameplan against Dak is to keep him maintained in the pocket, he's much better on the run.