First time a team has seen Lamar for a second time. Can they make adjustments? If the Chargers get a couple score lead, can Lamar throw the ball effectively enough to bring them back?
First time a team has seen Lamar for a second time. Can they make adjustments? If the Chargers get a couple score lead, can Lamar throw the ball effectively enough to bring them back?
Im looking forward to this one
Not too worry. Rivers will choke. If not this game then the next one
No fan of the Ravens but they bring a different game so itll be interesting to see how Chargers handle it 2nd time around. Browns had some success in 2nd half with DL shifts before the snap. Can Chargers force Jackson to throw?
Mike Williams from Chargers is a big key. Chargers need to really bump up his snap count today. Stop playing the other Williams and get this guy the ball.
If they put Carr on him hell get open all day. Rivers has to get him the ball this time. He blew a few open shots last time to Williams with Carr getting beat.
I like the Chargers offense to do a lot more here and score 27+.
watching this game thinking a guy like Lamar Jackson is one to build an offense around should have their football IQ test shredded immediately
It really makes the margin for error very small.
By turning the ball over and presumably letting LAC get in here for a score, they're going to be a TD behind early which puts them in an immediate hole even larger than the obvious point deficit. They're built to get ahead and stay ahead... not trade points or catch up.
Next possession will be big for Baltimore. If they can't at least push FP back into LAC territory, they might be in trouble.
Baltimore's defense will keep them in this for a while because they're excellent - but if you try to play offense like they are with a defense like NYG had this year, it's a gigantic recipe for disaster.
is a rookie with about a half a season of real playing experience. Right now, he's just being asked to be a game manager as the Ravens rely on their defense and running game. Whether he can become more is an unknown. The problem is that he isn't managing this game very well. It's also difficult to win in the playoffs with a game manager at QB unless all the other phases of your team are truly outstanding.
is a rookie with about a half a season of real playing experience. Right now, he's just being asked to be a game manager as the Ravens rely on their defense and running game. Whether he can become more is an unknown. The problem is that he isn't managing this game very well. It's also difficult to win in the playoffs with a game manager at QB unless all the other phases of your team are truly outstanding.
That might be true, but RGIII showed much more talent in his rookie season
Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
Rivers arm isn't really the type to hold up in wind. Lots of arm under the ball.
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
The on screen from CBS said 2.8 thats why I mentioned it.
Its tough to decipher on Jacksons throws cause he looks like he usually does.
pass from Jackson. They should switch at halftime. The problem is that Flacco hasn't played in weeks, so he'll probably need at least one series just get accustomed to playing again.
LOL just stating the obvious. Jackson averaged 160 yards passing in his seven starts. Hes a run first QB that Louisvilles system was built around. Hes not a good QB.
Why? Baltimore has the best D in the NFL, Rivers has made bineheaded plays at the end of halves forcing throws and turning it over, and the Ravens don't have the Chiefs O. Just take the points and time of possession.
Ravens QB Lamar Jackson scrambled on two called passes for a total of 32 yards. Outside of those two plays, Baltimore has 37 yards on 22 plays and a single first down.
Of course, if Eli had a first half where he averaged 4.9 yards per pass attempt, youd be all over him..:)
Rivers looks like the usual playoff Rivers. We shall see what the second half brings
I say that, because I used to hate Rivers. He's grown on me over the years, I guess.
It's the postseason. Win anyway you can. It's why I laugh at anyone who says the Giants only or mostly won SB 42 because of the defense. Defense was great in that postseason, but Eli and the offense contributed alot that postseason, as well. As long as you get the W in the postseason, doesn't matter how you get it.
A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.
If so, put Flacco in
He should have done it after half. Baltimore isn't out of this game with their defense - but they're not even going to make up a 9 point difference playing offense this way.
This game is still hanging in the balance. It sounds silly calling for Joe Flacco like this given that he's basically sucked for a while now, but he can throw the football and knows what he's doing. They have to make that switch.
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
you can say definitively that ball was out before he hit the ground. If they had called it a fumble on the field I wouldnt have had an issue with them keeping that call but you cant overturn it there.
to let the play go in those circumstances and then fix it on replay, then you have to do away with sticking with the call on the field in most situations. If you're going to tell the official to let that play play out then you can't say "There has to be 100% conclusive evidence to overturn"
I have simply never liked the rule that the ground cant cause a fumble. Ultimately, it is a misnomer anyway. Technically the ground isnt causing the fumble. The player is responsible for the fumble because they lost the football, just as it is when a helmet or a hand or a shoulder pad knocks the ball loose.
exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.
the ball does shift, I said that. He doesnt lose possession of the ball, which is the difference. You can see the point of the ball stay stable you just cant tell which hand is gripping it because I believe his grip hand changed.
the ball does shift, I said that. He doesnt lose possession of the ball, which is the difference. You can see the point of the ball stay stable you just cant tell which hand is gripping it because I believe his grip hand changed.
Fair enough. Now I do believe that if they called it a fumble, it wouldnt be overturned. But thats a different argument thats utterly meaningless cause Lamar shit the bed.
exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.
And not a Harbaugh choice. It's why there is were so rumors of Harbaugh leaving after this year and why he is sticking with Jackson here. Almost as a if he's telling the front office "this is your guy, right?"
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
Hindsight is 20/20.
People were just as hopeful that Tebow would "learn to pass" in the NFL because he was a great leader and could make plays with his legs. He got some wins paired with a great defense. Jackson could very well "learn to pass" but the hype and odds are about the same.
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless hes unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
Great game against a tough defense.
Nothing flashy, but took care of the ball
I disagree. Rivers has looked like shit - missing open receivers, missed an easy TD throw (the one incorrectly not overturned on replay)... the only thing one can say is he didn't fuck up what his Defense has done for him today by turning it over.
He'll need to be 10x better next week in Foxborough
RE: Lamar Jackson has 25 yards passing in this game.
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless hes unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.
Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.
Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless hes unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
More likely Flacco is done in Baltimore and the Ravens are going to ride with Jackson.
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless hes unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.
Oh, my bad. So they would have to trade or cut him
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.
RE: Wow, I completely forgot Michael Crabtree even existed.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.
When oh when will we finally see a Steamin Willie Beamen?
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Thankfully Rivers probably won't be relied upon to complete a pass
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
as I was saying earlier this has been a courageous coaching
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
Youre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.
RE: RE: RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
Youre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.
how calls and non-calls impact a game. Seattle was ripped down twice on crucial plays much worse than that. No call. SD seals the game and it gets called
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.
Considering the fact that Eli was absolute dogshit in his first playoff start, when he was two years older than Jackson and had a season and a half a starter under his belt.
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
Lets be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
Or, as Gettleman and Shurmur might say, he showed what he TRULY is capable of in the second half and it's offensive of you to discredit it by saying it was garbage time.
RE: Kind of funny to see the Eli fan club laughing at Jackson
Considering the fact that Eli was absolute dogshit in his first playoff start, when he was two years older than Jackson and had a season and a half a starter under his belt.
Its kind of funny to people who are miserable in real life...
Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.
Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
Huh? What??? Oh great he didnt turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.
He didnt play well. He didnt hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.
Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.
I feel for him, but he was dreadful.
I stopped watching ESPN years ago but I already know what's going to be said. Stephen A Smith will lead the way in praising Lamar Jackson for nearly coming back with a strong game even though that's far from the truth. They will continue to hype him up as if he had a monster game.
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
I do think if they can properly sort out the Oline and the pass rush (which will still take an unbelievably epic FA and draft period) you could potentially do what Dallas has done which is basically make the supporting cast so good that so-so QB play is acceptable.
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
By the Giants' standards, the Ravens practically won the game.
Gettleman talking about how competitive they were in games was absurd. If that's evidence of this team heading in the right direction then the Giants are even more screwed than originally thought.
The o-line needs to be fixed but fixing the pass rush and QB situation is much more important at this point.
To throw 4 yard passes. Hope the defense drops and INT or two. Have a defense that just destroyed the other teams QB and have a kicker makes 5 FGs... and we are set.
But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?
Eli was smart enough to learn and adapt. Mostly because he didnt score a 13 on his Wonderlic like Jackson. Jackson is garbage, not an NFL potential QB.
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
Huh? What??? Oh great he didnt turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.
He didnt play well. He didnt hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.
Christ, if that's your fucking criteria you should be fucking slating Eli on a weekly basis.
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Saquon Barkley highlight videos don't change the fact that this team is no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year.
So-so QB play isn't going to win titles. The Cowboys are still playing but I want a better QB than Dak.
The future of the Giants defense is probably in worse shape than any team in the league. Add in that the QB situation has zero future right now and I dont know how anyone thinks this team is headed in the right direction. I dont think this is a year to get a QB so I hope they get a pass rusher in round 1.
I dont see any way this team competes next year. I hope ownership and the front office realizes that and doesn't do anything short sighted. Get a pass rusher, get rid of the dead weight, and get a QB next year.
....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
Lets be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
I know you hate the guy, and that's fine. I don't entirely disagree, but we don't know how much improvement he can make.
Having said that, garbage time or not, Jackson is going to feel a lot better about what he did in the 4th quarter versus being benched for a guy that won't even be on the team next year...........
the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
Eli has not been nearly good enough in a long time. Once in every blue moon he plays well. This team has a lot of issues with it, but Eli's regression last few seasons is the 1A and 1B is lack of pass rush.
the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.
Jackson has one good quarter down 23-3 in the 4tgh
the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.
Ned, you are now a 'bad fan.'
Yep. 'Bad fans' care about the entire team instead of just one guy. Hilarious logic.
and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
They are 150% in a better position now than they were this time last year. Seriosuly, are you trolling ?
This Ravens Chargers game was one of the most interesting strategically in recent years, with Harbaugh taking the Jackson option scheme into a contest against a high quality defense.
Did the Ravens difficulties in the first 3 quarters prove anything? I came out of it skeptical the idea would work in the NFL playoffs, despite the Ravens miscues, which muddied the pool and made it difficult to attribute the lack of success to the scheme.
and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
Yes, they did not try to improve the offensive line.
this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.
Yea what is Barkley good for except YouTube videos!?
this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.
this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.
Eli's inability to move whatsoever and going down immediately when anyone gets near him doesn't have a negative impact on the offensive line because Lamar Jackson had a poor game today against a great pass rush?
Eli is finished being a good QB in this league. The Giants should make him take a significant paycut or tell him to hit the road. I dont care if they have a QB that isnt as good as Eli next year. They're going no where with him anyways. So if he doesnt want to take a paycut then release him. Use that money on a player who will actually be a part of the team when they have a chance to be good again.
If they extend him and impact the cap on future years then they are out of their minds. What has Eli done to deserve an extension right now? Paycut or leave. Thanks for the terrific career but its over without a paycut.
Bad in a lot of areas. I'm not sure what proof there is that Barkley doesn't impact the team's wins. I wonder how many games they win without Barkley. He makes the giants better period. But he is a component on a team that needs quite a few more components to work together
RE: I confess that sometimes I just want Eli to retire
so we can discuss other QB's around the league without it degenerating into a referendum on Eli.
You cant. Look at this thread. If you say something bad about Lamar... it instantly turned into Elis first game. Or if you point out the averageness of Rivers game... we had a poster being up the titans game in reference to Eli. Its really comical.
Shit we even had the game changing pick by Eli in the Eagles game that has happened all the time this year with no effect on the game .... except for Elis. Lol.
RE: I confess that sometimes I just want Eli to retire
so we can discuss other QB's around the league without it degenerating into a referendum on Eli.
. Haha, but actually I think we need to get rid of Eli to start properly evaluating the Giants QB and prospects coming out of the NCAA. A mental cloud hangs over the franchise.
is this teams ceiling next year. And that would take a lot of breaks.
The front office needs to be realistic about what this team is going to be next year. If they're delusional and make win now moves it will make the rebuild longer than it needs to be.
Use this draft to build the defense which has holes everywhere and the offensive line. Suck next year and get a QB. That's going in the right direction.
looking to bash the first mistake a QB makes every single week thinking it somehow proves something about Eli, when it doesn't.
The only bashing was mocking posters who praised him all week. He was horrible and even the commentators said he needed to be replaced.
But yet the usuals came in here to make it about Eli. Its really sad.
Even during regular season threads that have nothing to do with the Giants. If you give another QB a compliment, some folks will come into the thread and question why your complimenting that QB.
Like, heaven forbid another player on another team gets a compliment on here, and if it's another QB? The insecurity REALLY kicks in.
I'm no advocate for Jackson
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
And I'm not sure Eli ever played a game with less than 25 yards passing going into a 4th quarter, let alone doing it in a playoff game.
If anyone watched that game and thinks there is a viable future for Jackson as a QB, I don't really know what to tell you. Sadly, it wasn't even an outlier for his passing. I think he averaged 180 yards passing this year.
His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... its going to be ok. Trust me.
What's going to be ok?
The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.
Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team
Like who? You can continue to build the team and when his contract expires... you can better access where to go from there.
They don't need to use it on a QB. They can use that money on any number of holes they have elsewhere on the team. There are gigantic holes nearly everywhere.
They will suck with or without Eli Manning next year. I'd rather suck without him if he's going to be taking up 20+ million of the cap
The two QBs were not good today. Its ok to say that too.
Of course it is. But if you happen to say you like one of them after not liking them for years, I got a few posts for that exact thing. I didn't even say Rivers was good today. Just that I used to dislike him, and now I don't. And I still caught some hell for that innocuous post.
defense was one of the, if not the best in the league this year. He didn't turn the ball over once. Mike Williams had a killer drop on a perfect pass that halted a drive too. Another drive was halted by a fumble.
If he played poorly today, then you honestly have no idea what you're watching. If that was playing poorly, what would you call some of Eli's games in the last 3 years?
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Lol. Your crusade is sad now.
Its absolutely pathetic man. Mook comes on every thread to regurgitate the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im honestly curious as to what purpose it serves? Does he think if he bitches and complains about not having a franchise QB and premium position players enough that its going to speed up the process?
We get it Mook. You wanted Darnold or Chubb. Now can you shut the hell up about it? Im pretty sure everyone is aware of your stance, if youre worried theres anyones left that doesnt.
so the same people can come on here over and over and tell us how Jackson isnt any good or how Eli isn't the problem and they can continue to do that, but if you tell them they are wrong repeatedly you're wrong.
Same people thought this team would be good this season. They continue to believe this team is heading in the right direction.
Why is it ok to repeat the same stance 100000 times if you're drinking the Giants kool aid but not if you have a problem with the direction of this franchise.
When the GM of this team has a press conference and thinks this team is headed in the right direction its a problem. This team is stuck in neutral. The sooner they realize it, the better. Part of the problem is the fans. John Mara absolutely pays attention to the fan base. If he didn't he wouldn't have totally botched the way the Eli situation was handled after he was benched last year. He may not let it influence decision making often, but he definitely did last year and it hurt the direction of the franchise.
Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.
You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.
No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.
I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.
I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year
Everyone on here loves to throw it in the face of people who didn't want Barkley that this season proves that they were wrong, but when you come and defend that position and don't have your pom poms out, you have fallen as a poster.
I hate the direction of this franchise. I have no idea how anyone on this board doesn't. Do you guys enjoy watching garbage football?
Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.
You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.
No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.
I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.
I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year
I'm worn out debating the same bullshit...
If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...
If you have watched the games this weekend it's pretty clear it's about running the ball, stopping the run and getting to the passer...sound familiar..??
You're unbearable because in your eyes the GM and coach should be fired, the QB should be cut and there's no hope ok we get it..
Being worse this year because of a different strategy
if they would have been worse this year without Barkley. Sometimes thats actually a good thing.
Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.
Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.
I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.
When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.
Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?
certainly couldn't get any worse. They improved when there was no pressure on them whatsoever, and the second there was pressure on them, they completely pissed down their legs and blew the Eagles game.
This team has been rotten for a long time now. What they did after their season was over by Halloween doesn't excite me. They won 5 games and what, 3 of the 5 were against backup QB's.
I'd have been more optimistic if they were 2-14 and had a better pick. They won a few meaningless games. The defense is a total train wreck.
Cause we dont have a QB on the roster that may or may not be good for 10 years?
Or maybe people are because we are rebuilding and have addressed some needs, will address some more in the offseason, etc....
No one, I mean no one is thinking we are SB contenders next year. We have to overcome 7 years of putrid drafting of our prior regime. Rome wasnt built in a day.
If you didnt get excited aboout seeing SB be a stud. EE play well at the end of the year, BJ Hill shine this year. Jenkins being a top flight corner, Hernandez looking like a 10 year+ starters....
ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.
there be more optimism with an unknown QB vs. a known stud RB??
For all we will find out, not a single QB drafted last year will end up being a franchise QB. We can already confidently say that Barkley is a generational player.
All things remaining equal, your optimism is based on nothing more than hope, which should at least give you enough pause not to post the same fucking bullshit over and over again.
You can build a team by getting a RB before a QB. In fact, there are a couple teams right now that have done that and are doing quite well.
would have been a loss if they started Winston instead of Fitz. 49ers had their 3rd string QB playing. Bears without Trubisky. Redskins with a guy off the street.
2 wins against 3rd string qb's (49ers and Redskins) Another against a backup. And another against the Bucs who threw away the game by starting Fitz. Winston shredded the defense when he came in.
if they would have been worse this year without Barkley. Sometimes thats actually a good thing.
Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.
Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.
I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.
When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.
Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?
You do not need a franchise quarterback to win anymore.
And I think they can compete (loose term) if they fix the oline and get something that resembles a defense. Yes they can compete. But not for much.
If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...
How much is "fools gold" ...mybe some improvement but not extent of certainty...tenn game that was a test came up nil...in fact shutout.
When this offense or team stepped up vs better teams..it mostly shit the bed..it wasnt just 1 unit..it was all phases..breakdowns left and right and mistakes.
To not see through the forest and see theres plenty issues that continue to make this team stagnant..not improving.
ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.
If you cant, you leave? Deal?
Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?
ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.
If you cant, you leave? Deal?
Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?
I didnt. You did. By saying like eli did. So go ahead and prove it.
Is there any team in the league that is in worse shape defensively going forward than the Giants? Maybe the Raiders, but at least they have a shit ton of draft picks. I dont know if anyone else is even in the discussion.
RB had a terrific year and the team finished 5-11.
Darnold was up and down this year, but the talent is there. Sure he could bust, but there's also a good chance he takes a big step forward this year.
We know the Giants currently have nothing at QB for the future. They dont even have a lottery ticket.
Its a qb driven league
Having an all world rb is great and all. It reminds me of the old lions with barry sanders. How many championships did they win? Their qbs then were the mediocre to worse qbs ie eric hipple etc etc..this day to go far..is to have that qb..and the 2 lines in the trenches..rest you can work with
that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
Or have had excellent defenses. Baltimore, Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh. Denver and Seattle had four or five seasons of elite defenses. Steelers had ten years of elite defenses. They haven't gone back since they've lost it.
Yes, you can build a team with RB before finding a QB
Is there any team in the league that is in worse shape defensively going forward than the Giants? Maybe the Raiders, but at least they have a shit ton of draft picks. I dont know if anyone else is even in the discussion.
So you agree forget the QB position and build the defense. And lets not do this by Free agency please. We spent 200 million just a few years ago with diminishing returns.
some of the people who exaggerated the wind strength today seemingly never cared that the Tennessee game was played in a cold, driving rain storm. You'd swear it was ideal conditions for a QB to throw in.
But consistency isn't really a strong suit. I saw that good QB's don't miss the playoffs 6 out of 7 years and yet Rivers is being talked about as being an MVP candidate and he actually went 7 out of 8 years.
Now, the Giants supposedly don't have a QB, or a lottery ticket, whatever the fuck that means, but if we went 5-11 with Barkley we can apparently do it without him too.
If Darnold busts, the Jets are screwed and you are going to have to wait 3 to 4 years to see if that happens. I really don't see how that would give me more optimism.
that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?
Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.
about the Giants future if they drafted Chubb instead of Barkley.
I don't know how you win with no pass rush and no QB. It's pretty easy to find a path to winning without a stud RB. We've only seen it basically every year.
that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?
Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.
I'm not sure there are franchise QBs anymore.
Russell Wilson isnt a franchise QB? The Seahawks arent consistent?
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
If they took Nelson, they would not have taken Hernandez. And somebody may have taken him anyway before the Giants got to 34.
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.
There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.
RE: RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.
There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.
I tend to agree. Love Barkley but my conviction was if you don't like a QB then get the hell out of that #2 spot...
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
We can't really hypothesize this way. If we had taken Nelson instead, it would have created a domino effect that changed the way the rest of the draft played out. It would mean Barkley was still on the board, so someone within the next few picks would have passed on whoever they took, taken him instead, and the ripple effect could easily have resulted in Hernandez off the board at our 2nd pick spot.
Dallas spent the 4th overall pick on Elliott and their entire offense runs through him. This can work with Barkley. There are different ways to get to the same place and it can happen in different orders.
The offensive line and pass rush have to be things we go all out on this offseason.
No matter what, NYG had too many holes to effectively fill in one year. The order we fill them is less important than who we fill them with. Try to get the best players rather than focus so much on which holes are being filled first.
I hope this offseason leads to some bolder/tougher decisions
The Giants have made one tough decision in the last few years and they backed off it (benching Eli). This franchise is fear based right now since the Manning backlash. Its time to make tough decisions:
1. Moving on from Eli
2. Consider trading Beckham
3. Let Landon Collins walk
These are all very difficult decisions, none more so than Eli. These are HARD decisions, but its a business & the business model has failed. If the Gettleman makes some tough decisions which piss some fans off, thats a good thing.
You know what would be the easy decisions & consistent with the last 6 years?
1. Keep Eli for another year
2. Keep Beckham
3. Sign Landon Collins to a long term deal
Is generational!! Mook and Terps a match made in stupid heaven. People might have wanted to actually listen to Gettlemans presser. 1. If not for the fact that he saw Barkley as a generational player ( he was right) he would not have discounted the QBs. He stated hes under no delusion about what the team is and what needs to be fixed. Primarily the OL and pass rush. People here act like they needed to draft a QB every rd or the team is an epic fail. Oh and just wave your Harry Potter wand and all the other problems would be fixed.
This teams drafts sucked for more than half a decade. It will take awhile. The locker room is better, theres is stability at many positions. They got a keeper in Hernandez for the OL (something Reese was unable to do), there are promising young players on defense. Its a pretty darn good job for 1 off season. But he didnt take QB so everything else is worthless- whatever you guys are brutal.
the business model from before this year is NOT RELEVANT!!! You do know this is a different management team right? You know how that works right? Why do you think DG gutted the roster - only 13 guys remain from 2017. You can add Vernon, Jenkins and maybe Ogletree and Martin to those tough decisions. Im confident he and Shurmur know what needs to be done with this roster.
the fans consider tough and the ones that actually are tough usually don't match.
And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.
The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.
I still don't know what trading Beckham accomplishes aside from creating another major roster hole and adding more dead money to our cap in either 2019 or 2020.
Unless someone is blowing us away with a big time offer, I can't see how it helps the Giants get better. We'd also be selling low on him. He missed the last month of the season and most of last year. If there was ever a "low point" in terms of selling on this player - it would probably be now.
I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
the fans consider tough and the ones that actually are tough usually don't match.
And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.
The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.
There is way too much made of good QB play here. The way football is it isn't too hard to find a guy that can play these days. There used to be a dearth of talent at the QB position making it scarce. That's just not the case anymore. Plenty of guys can get it down if you surround the team with talent. The point of the draft is to add the best players you can. Not fit needs. We pick arguably the best player in the draft and people are upset. It's mind boggling.
I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
One first round pick does not cut it. Why would you trade a bonafide NFL star for a question mark/potential.
I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
Right, but then we have a horrendous WR group with no depth. So, where are the replacements coming from? Relying on FA WR's is a risky proposition. I know it worked with Burress way back when (sorta..) but we're most likely going to need to use picks on that position - so it's basically taking out one plug in the dam and using it to fill another hole.
I'm not sure it really gets us any closer.
And this assumes we actually nail the pick(s) we get in return. What if we whiff or the player we draft gets hurt? Then we're SOL.
We arent getting multiple firsts. Beckham hasnt played a full season in 2 years & makes a ton of money. Its a risky move no doubt, but Gettleman should be trying to build an identity here & Beckhams an asset.
Lets go back to his intro presser, what does he want to do?
1. Protect the QB
2. Run the ball
3. Pressure the other QB
Beckham doesnt factor into any of those 3, yet he is an asset to potentially help 1 or 3. Its about building a team & building an identity.
With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
We had the best rushing offense in football and a top 5 defense. That's how it works with Hixon being the top WR. Burress did play more than half the games that year, too - so Hixon wasn't the WR1 all year.
Further - that team fell apart down the stretch and couldn't win a playoff game at home. We were dreadful. Not sure that's the model to follow here. The Giants teams with the true WR threats (Burress, Toomer, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham) won the Super Bowls and the ones without those guys didn't win any playoff games.
We didn't win in the playoffs with Beckham in 2016, either - but people often forget that the defense completely fell apart as soon as DRC was gone and gave up nearly 40 points. I'm not sure even a perfect day by Beckham catching the football gets us a W that night.
With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
Holy revisionist history. That offense was awful one Plax went down.
pretty bad to use an example from a season where we were bounced in the first round:
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With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
Not to mention that Hixon became the #1 WR by default. It would be like saying the Cowboys are in the playoffs this year with Cole Beasley as their top WR, which statistically is true
may have been the best player in the draft athletically, but there's close to zero percent chance he will be even close to the most valuable over his career.
When it comes time for 2nd contracts, he wont be anywhere near the highest paid.
I think Gettleman is a clown but thats not a fireable offense. Believing this team could compete this year is a fireable offense to me. Extending Eli would be a fireable offense.
Quenton Nelson should win Offensive Rookie of the year. He won't because he didn't put up flashy stats, but he's the best player in that draft in my opinion with Barkley a close 2nd. But neither one will be the most valuable. A couple of the QB's probably will be, Mayfield almost certainly will be.
Barkley's terrific statistical season speaks to the value of running backs to teams in the current era.
He stood on his head basically the entire year, and this team still only won 5 games. 4 of which were against backups. 2 of them 3rd string guys. If Garropolo was healthy Giants don't win that game. If Trubisky was healthy giants dont beat Bears.
They would have beat Redskins probably regardless, but this team was really, really bad.
Which top running back from the last decade has won a Super Bowl?
are also wasting Barkley's prime years. 2 years may not seem like a lot but it's probably 33% of a running backs prime years, and those first 2 years the Giants will have zero chance to compete for a title. Hard to imagine them having a chance to compete for a title the 3rd year either because thats likely to be the year they take a QB. It's not Saquons fault but half of what likely is his prime is going to be wasted.
Barkley is quite a specimen. Unless he sustains a career-altering injury, he's going to be productive for a while.
Adrian Peterson just posted a 1000 yard season at age 33. And he tore his ACL a few years ago. I think we're getting carried away by trying to make it seem like the shelf life of a RB is basically 2-3 years. Barkley will last longer than that.
Elliott already has ~900 carries to his name and he's led the NFL in rush YPG per game in all 3 of his active seasons. That's missing 8 games due to suspension/injury/sitting out. 381 touches - the most in football. 2001 scrimmage yards.
I fucking hate Dallas, but Elliott is going to be doing this for a while and so will Barkley.
so when Barkley is 25-26..... which would be his 5th and 6th year in the league, we wont be able to comitt and he will be past his prime?
Shit, Rams better win it this year cause Gurley will be 25 next year and he will be done...
No one said he will be done at 26. But most likely his prime years will be behind him. It's like you guys haven't watched running backs. Ladanian Tomlinson was not immune from his production dropping significantly all of a sudden.
The Steelers let Bell sit out an entire season at age 26. Surely if his prime wasn't close to over they never would have held a hard line on him, right?
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
How many non QBs and lineman have more than 7 prime years though? Does that mean you should never take a non QB or lineman in the first round? I would have been happy with Chubb, but it's not out of the question we have a new QB in place and we're ready to contend while Barkley is still a good player, not discounting the fact that he might be instrumental in easing our next QB into the NFL.
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
So, were just casually glossing over the part where Tomlinsons decline was a result of getting hurt several times?
He sprained his MCL, hurt his big toe, hurt his ankle, partially tore his groin... Im guessing that stuff had something to do with the dip.
Tomlinson actually had a pretty good year with the Jets, too.
Barkley is a better athlete. Its certainly not out of the question hell get hurt, but unless were banking on it, Im not sure LdT is a great comp here.
Im looking forward to this one
Im looking forward to this one
Not too worry. Rivers will choke. If not this game then the next one
Eli has his rings.
I like Lamar, so I'd like to see Baltimore win.
This is probably the one I had/have the most interest in this weekend.
Mike Williams from Chargers is a big key. Chargers need to really bump up his snap count today. Stop playing the other Williams and get this guy the ball.
If they put Carr on him hell get open all day. Rivers has to get him the ball this time. He blew a few open shots last time to Williams with Carr getting beat.
I like the Chargers offense to do a lot more here and score 27+.
And theres the third this time by Dixon.
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Hmm. I like Lewis.
I agree, but I will give him until the end of the game to give me a reason to change my mind.
It really makes the margin for error very small.
By turning the ball over and presumably letting LAC get in here for a score, they're going to be a TD behind early which puts them in an immediate hole even larger than the obvious point deficit. They're built to get ahead and stay ahead... not trade points or catch up.
Next possession will be big for Baltimore. If they can't at least push FP back into LAC territory, they might be in trouble.
Big stop.
I think OC overthink sometimes.
I think OC overthink sometimes.
with Gates on that team....???
But the offense can only succeed in the presence of an excellent D.
Jackson lone role should be to protect the ball and run clock.
And with a poor defense, this offense would be atrocious
RG at least had some arm talent.
To be honest I dont know what they saw in him.
Chargers OC calling plays like a HS OC.
No not really, 2 good Defenses, 1 pro offense 1 HS offense
So matter of time before Rivers puts together another drive for a score.
Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it
Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it
If Eli didnt get a pass for playing like shit ina rain storm why should Rivers?
Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it
And you would defend him :)
Yes, which is ironic since RGIII is now on the Ravens.
This has been one of the ugliest games I've seen in a few years.
This is so true. Where are all those people bitching from the KC-LAR game? Last night was a defensive game as well.
Oh, and ratings were through the roof this year. No mention of that either.
There is a difference between a defensive battle and piss poor QB play
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Eh. Between the Chargers defense adjusting and the 30mph wind gusts, I'm not so sure.
That might be true, but RGIII showed much more talent in his rookie season
The radio broadcast said wind gusts are 15-18mph and we've seen three FG's banged through with minimal impact from wind.
The radio broadcast said wind gusts are 15-18mph and we've seen three FG's banged through with minimal impact from wind.
Maybe kilometers per hour?? ha
So times 2 in balt
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
Thought they had their bests refs out there for the Playoffs.....unbelievable....
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Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
Rivers arm isn't really the type to hold up in wind. Lots of arm under the ball.
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
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Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.
Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
The on screen from CBS said 2.8 thats why I mentioned it.
Its tough to decipher on Jacksons throws cause he looks like he usually does.
That's not indicative of a great defense - it is some god awful throwing.
LOL just stating the obvious. Jackson averaged 160 yards passing in his seven starts. Hes a run first QB that Louisvilles system was built around. Hes not a good QB.
Yup..giants fans should know what wind games are like
Obviously it's not the Skins-Giants game (in 2007 or the NFC title game in Jan 87)... but it's still having an impact on intermediate throws today
I know dude...it is fucking driving me crazy.
He got hurt trying not to fall on Rivers... Great rule lol
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This aint one. Period.
Obviously it's not the Skins-Giants game (in 2007 or the NFC title game in Jan 87)... but it's still having an impact on intermediate throws today
But dude the wind is knocking players on their ass it can't be that windy.
Meh, conditioned by pussy rules..
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High pitch noise Im hearing?
I know dude...it is fucking driving me crazy.
Yeah, just heard it, some girl screaming it sounds like.
If Baltimore doesn't make a QB change, 12 points is all the Chargers are going to need today.
Jackson isn't ready for this.
Its a 2 score game, Ravens have shown nothing to hint they can overcome this.
Plus Chargers have the ball to start off the 2nd half.
Why? Baltimore has the best D in the NFL, Rivers has made bineheaded plays at the end of halves forcing throws and turning it over, and the Ravens don't have the Chiefs O. Just take the points and time of possession.
*Jackson
Give this man ORoY!
Of course, if Eli had a first half where he averaged 4.9 yards per pass attempt, youd be all over him..:)
Rivers looks like the usual playoff Rivers. We shall see what the second half brings
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Of course, if Eli had a first half where he averaged 4.9 yards per pass attempt, youd be all over him..:)
Rivers looks like the usual playoff Rivers. We shall see what the second half brings
I say that, because I used to hate Rivers. He's grown on me over the years, I guess.
It's the postseason. Win anyway you can. It's why I laugh at anyone who says the Giants only or mostly won SB 42 because of the defense. Defense was great in that postseason, but Eli and the offense contributed alot that postseason, as well. As long as you get the W in the postseason, doesn't matter how you get it.
Only if they win. If they lose he could be fired. Haha.
Listen buster, Im a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)
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10 for 18 113 yds 0-TD 3-INT
That being said, the kid looks horrible today. Give Joe a shot. No argument there.
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will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!
Listen buster, Im a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)
Hey, I would not mind him in charge Big Blue at all!
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will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!
Listen buster, Im a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)
Hey, I would not mind him in charge Big Blue at all!
Me too
Twitter is wrong
Blame is on the pitiful offense and inability to pass the ball.
No doubt Jackson want up to it, but he wasn't alone.
I thought the west coast team/early start on east coast team was possibly gonna be an issue for LAC. I was wrong.
well, except the defense.
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Twitter is wrong
Yes it is.
Instead, you have a blocked FG that gets the crowd back in it
I know Flacco hasn't been good lately, but there's no way he's going to be worse than this.
Yea, never a good sign when they are begging you to drop back.
A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.
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A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.
If so, put Flacco in
I think at that point Jackson was the right call with his running ability.
Next series is the time, especially after Rivers gets a TD.
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A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.
If so, put Flacco in
He should have done it after half. Baltimore isn't out of this game with their defense - but they're not even going to make up a 9 point difference playing offense this way.
This game is still hanging in the balance. It sounds silly calling for Joe Flacco like this given that he's basically sucked for a while now, but he can throw the football and knows what he's doing. They have to make that switch.
Blocked punt.
It's getting chippy.
I thought so too. God a TD here makes this fun.
All-pro kicker, Justin Tucker!
Rivers better get a TD because they will run out of luck soon.
Rivers is throwing some ugly passes
Baltimore has seven yards passing.
TD here ends it in all likelihood.
Theres the big play.
Didnt want to risk a turnover
Harbaugh should have brought in Flacco in the first half. Too late now.
He rolled about 6 times and still did not get in lol
Terrible throw regardless. Should have been a walk in TD
that was certainly a bad spot
Yup..bizzare
But they way they ruled the last one, he may be short. Def not a fumble.
First one was likely a TD and this one likely isn't - and yet both will likely have been upheld
No its not, he was touched and elbow hit
How is it a fumble? Hes simply down by contact as his elbow hits before the ball bobbles.
true. they scored on the last play.
Yup. I take it back just saw the replay. Weddle touched him and hes down early.
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How is it a fumble? Hes simply down by contact as his elbow hits before the ball bobbles.
Exactly, ball was not loose before hitting the ground
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
Ravens arent scoring 2 touchdowns.
I am sorry but the refs messed up.
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
ok then...
I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnt cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he cant hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
Only that wasnt the call. Or the play at all
I am sorry but the refs messed up.
exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Replay is a train wreck in the NFL. Total train wreck.
I am sorry but the refs messed up.
Well, it was a TD on the previous play, sooooo.
I am sorry but the refs messed up.
There is zero evidence the ball was loose. He had a hand on the ball and it didnt bobble. Absolutely the correct call.
LA was a fantastic road team this year - I think they're going to beat the Patriots.
Too bad we wont try to get him even though we should.
What is your issue with the rule?
They can't do that because of how fucking awful replay is. Even plays that need to be overturned, they often don't overturn them.
Replay is broken and it's only getting worse. The idea that they should stick with the call on the field almost always is mind numbing.
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I am sorry but the refs messed up.
There is zero evidence the ball was loose. He had a hand on the ball and it didnt bobble. Absolutely the correct call.
Sorry I disagree. When he extended you can see the ball definitely shift. Agree to disagree.
Really close, and you err on the side of possession.
I agree the ball was being bobbled but wouldn't the call have been Ravens ball at the 1 since they clearly took possession after the fumble?
Those are HUGE boos.
Have always disliked that rule.
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I am sorry but the refs messed up.
exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.
Yup!!!
Terrruvle job by Jackson. Put in Flacco.
It usually takes more than 7 starts for that to happen but the Chargers clearly figured him out.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
He will go down with jackson
Fair enough. Now I do believe that if they called it a fumble, it wouldnt be overturned. But thats a different argument thats utterly meaningless cause Lamar shit the bed.
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Before he hit the ground.
I am sorry but the refs messed up.
exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.
Agree, it was obvious
LOL he has SIX net yards passing
Would have brought Flacco back but too late
Lame.
This seemed inevitable though. You need to throw the football to consistently win, esp in the playoffs.
^This.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
He's young..but may be right. Not good for taking abuse when really not ready for esp playoff football.hes about 22 yrs old
They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Yep, I would have expected him to flash at least some NFL passing talent but got nada.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
No.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Ooooo, don't tell Go Terps. He'll demand a committee to investigate why this isn't working.
Nothing flashy, but took care of the ball
True. Eli's first playoff start wasn't exactly stellar either (23-0 shutout against Carolina at home in 2005)
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it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.
He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
Hindsight is 20/20.
People were just as hopeful that Tebow would "learn to pass" in the NFL because he was a great leader and could make plays with his legs. He got some wins paired with a great defense. Jackson could very well "learn to pass" but the hype and odds are about the same.
Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
They have a decent chance at New England next week should they hold this lead
He has 6 yards passing. 6!
Theres no doubt hes an excellent athlete but, hes not an NFL QB.
They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.
If the Ravens had stuck with Flacco they never would have made it here.
The entire offense (Jackson included) and special teams shit the bed. Flacco wouldn't have done any better with the way LA's pass rush was dominating.
Chargers @ Pats
I would be anxious if I were either KC or NE, especially NE.
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Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
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I'd imagine he can only get better
He has 6 yards passing. 6!
Theres no doubt hes an excellent athlete but, hes not an NFL QB.
RG3 would do better
Jets
Yup, the NYJ would be introducing him on Tuesday in a press conference as their next head coach. They tried to get his brother from Michigan
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The Ravens would be fine if they had like 1 or 2 other incapable QBs to replicate Jackson's inability to play QB.
They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.
If the Ravens had stuck with Flacco they never would have made it here.
The entire offense (Jackson included) and special teams shit the bed. Flacco wouldn't have done any better with the way LA's pass rush was dominating.
Point 1 is correct - they'd have been eliminated weeks ago.
Point 2 - but it is likely that Flacco could complete a couple passes.
Chargers front is very good.
Nothing flashy, but took care of the ball
I disagree. Rivers has looked like shit - missing open receivers, missed an easy TD throw (the one incorrectly not overturned on replay)... the only thing one can say is he didn't fuck up what his Defense has done for him today by turning it over.
He'll need to be 10x better next week in Foxborough
I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.
Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.
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for Harbaugh.
Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS RTG
Lamar Jackson 3/10 25 2.5 0 1 5-27 0.0
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I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.
Gross 28, but net minus with the sacks, no?
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for Harbaugh.
Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.
Im guessing his thinking is, If I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.
So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.
Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.
Yes but he wasnt a qb..big difference
Chargers @ Pats
I would be anxious if I were either KC or NE, especially NE.
Seriously. It's not out of the question or even hard to envision it ending up #6 Indy at #5 LA in the AFC Champ game.
And people here don't think Haskins or Lock or even Jones are worth a first round pick at 6?
The days of a Joe Kapp type QB are long gone. You have to be able to pass the rock and make the reads and deliver from the pocket.
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
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Hahahaha.
I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.
Gross 28, but net minus with the sacks, no?
Yeah. Oh, and theres another.
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but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless hes unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.
Oh, my bad. So they would have to trade or cut him
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Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.
Willie Snead too.
Hopefully a wake up for the Chargers. They can still blow it.
Less than 5 yards an attempt.
Chargers defense was the key to this game. Baltimore never threatened.
Rivers is having his usual playoff/meaningful game clutch performance. Hes even averaging less than 5 YPA.. But theyll advance, so theres that
Rivers is throwing for 4.9 yards per throw...Jackson 6.4. Wow
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Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.
Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.
When oh when will we finally see a Steamin Willie Beamen?
True, but if he had the Chargers or Ravens D, its doubtful hed be sitting at home. Unfortunately he doesnt so yes, he sits at home
And should have been an INT - weak, wobbly quail...
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.
But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....
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True, but if he had the Chargers or Ravens D, its doubtful hed be sitting at home. Unfortunately he doesnt so yes, he sits at home
Eh, maybe. Nowhere near a definite, though. We got shutout at home by the freaking Titans a few weeks ago.
Thanks, had no idea!
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.
But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....
And that's awful, too. They're in the playoffs this year, though.
Why would I defend a team not making the postseason 7 out of 8 seasons? That's horrible, haha.
Give it a rest at some point man.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.
But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....
LOL
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks, had no idea!
Anytime.
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
All too predictable.
This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.
He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......
This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.
He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Desperation pushed the Ravens to operate a downfield offense.
But the OC and DC of the Chargers has done horribly today. Why go into a prevent that leaves guys open downfield??
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
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I'd imagine he can only get better
He has 6 yards passing. 6!
Theres no doubt hes an excellent athlete but, hes not an NFL QB.
He's coming around
All too predictable.
Your saltiness is delicious, cockless Chris.
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
Youre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.
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I'd imagine he can only get better
He has 6 yards passing. 6!
Theres no doubt hes an excellent athlete but, hes not an NFL QB.
He's coming around
Hes 21. Just like Watson is 23. Does everyone recall Elis first playoff game?
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
Youre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.
Again, ironic as hell.
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I'd imagine he can only get better
He has 6 yards passing. 6!
Theres no doubt hes an excellent athlete but, hes not an NFL QB.
He's coming around
Hes 21. Just like Watson is 23. Does everyone recall Elis first playoff game?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
1000% fitting.
This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.
He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......
He should have been picked off twice that drive. Sometimes you get lucky.
come again?
It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
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Losers!!!!!
come again?
You heard me, Jackson is trash. Chargers keeping them alive though...
How the hell wasnt that a hold?
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It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
What did he hold? Falling to the ground doesn't mean he held him. He didn't hold him at all
He hooked him and had him by the facemask/helmet
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It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...
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In comment 14250371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...
Yep wasnt holding at all
The level of stupidity we've seen from the Chargers the last 6 minutes is historically inept.
Good one...? My nickname for is you is better. :)
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he didn't hold anything.
He hooked him and had him by the facemask/helmet
Had him by the what? He didn't actually grab anything. The defender flopped.
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In comment 14250371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...
Yep wasnt holding at all
Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
You can see some ability, but Lord I cannot see him as an NFL QB.
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
To be fair, hed be doing the same thing if he got to face Baltimore with Jackson at QB.
Nope, it doesnt. Jackson fumbled...AGAIN
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
Why would he be laughing his ass off...??
I think they have a decent chance to beat the Pats...
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Nope, it doesnt. Jackson fumbled...AGAIN
Which poster are you really?
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In comment 14250400 Go Terps said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?
We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnt great but neither was the rest of the offense.
Not as large as Jackson's horrific play for 50 minutes.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
Lets be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
Jackson is not there yet, which is completely understandable. But his career and success will be predicated on that, just as it is for every other QB.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
He only did anything when the Chargers fell asleep.
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In comment 14250400 Go Terps said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?
We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnt great but neither was the rest of the offense.
Sure as long as admit that 95% of his stats were garbage time stats and any drives of meaning he sucked balls.
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
Wash your mouth out!
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
Lets be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
Or, as Gettleman and Shurmur might say, he showed what he TRULY is capable of in the second half and it's offensive of you to discredit it by saying it was garbage time.
Its kind of funny to people who are miserable in real life...
Hey what do you know!!!
Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.
I feel for him, but he was dreadful.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Play like what? If the Chargers defense plays like this, they'll win next week too.
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In comment 14250418 MookGiants said:
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
Huh? What??? Oh great he didnt turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.
He didnt play well. He didnt hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Lol. Your crusade is sad now.
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Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.
Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.
I feel for him, but he was dreadful.
I stopped watching ESPN years ago but I already know what's going to be said. Stephen A Smith will lead the way in praising Lamar Jackson for nearly coming back with a strong game even though that's far from the truth. They will continue to hype him up as if he had a monster game.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
I do think if they can properly sort out the Oline and the pass rush (which will still take an unbelievably epic FA and draft period) you could potentially do what Dallas has done which is basically make the supporting cast so good that so-so QB play is acceptable.
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Lol. Your crusade is sad now.
Why...explain
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In comment 14250436 Thunderstruck27 said:
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?
endconvo.
Jackson was sacked six times today, the most by a rookie quarterback in a game in postseason history.
Gettleman talking about how competitive they were in games was absurd. If that's evidence of this team heading in the right direction then the Giants are even more screwed than originally thought.
The o-line needs to be fixed but fixing the pass rush and QB situation is much more important at this point.
Yeah... QB is a huge problem for us.... lol
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In comment 14250436 Thunderstruck27 said:
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?
Eli was smart enough to learn and adapt. Mostly because he didnt score a 13 on his Wonderlic like Jackson. Jackson is garbage, not an NFL potential QB.
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In comment 14250418 MookGiants said:
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
Huh? What??? Oh great he didnt turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.
He didnt play well. He didnt hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.
Christ, if that's your fucking criteria you should be fucking slating Eli on a weekly basis.
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
Shit... 50 QBs could have done what rivers did today. Haha
Christ, if that's your fucking criteria you should be fucking slating Eli on a weekly basis.
When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Saquon Barkley highlight videos don't change the fact that this team is no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year.
So-so QB play isn't going to win titles. The Cowboys are still playing but I want a better QB than Dak.
The future of the Giants defense is probably in worse shape than any team in the league. Add in that the QB situation has zero future right now and I dont know how anyone thinks this team is headed in the right direction. I dont think this is a year to get a QB so I hope they get a pass rusher in round 1.
I dont see any way this team competes next year. I hope ownership and the front office realizes that and doesn't do anything short sighted. Get a pass rusher, get rid of the dead weight, and get a QB next year.
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.
They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
Lets be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
I know you hate the guy, and that's fine. I don't entirely disagree, but we don't know how much improvement he can make.
Having said that, garbage time or not, Jackson is going to feel a lot better about what he did in the 4th quarter versus being benched for a guy that won't even be on the team next year...........
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In comment 14250416 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
Wow lets pick a random game. Touch. You got me.
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In comment 14250416 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.
Shit... 50 QBs could have done what rivers did today. Haha
Bingo, its ALWAYS been about a good OL and DL. Just like in our Championnship Years.
Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.
Youre 100% wrong and clearly arent the one watching .
New England is going to stomp the Chargers again. Everyone feels it coming. Again.
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
They should use all their resources in those 2 areas first instead of just wasting capital in a QB who may or may not be good.
If rivers performance can win a playoff game today... then you can throw anyone back there.
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.
They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
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I'm on.
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.
They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.
After one year it ain't looking good.
Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.
And if you fix the line, then you can stand in against those defenses.
The offensive line must be fixed, period. Even just to open holes for Barkley.
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I'm on.
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.
They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.
After one year it ain't looking good.
Just like for Jackson...
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...
Hehehe
still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youre full of shit.
Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.
Ned, you are now a 'bad fan.'
Yep. 'Bad fans' care about the entire team instead of just one guy. Hilarious logic.
Thumbs up buddy!!!
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
So me saying Eli isnt the future continuously means what now? Im embarrassing myself. Great job buddy!!
The offensive line isn't good, but it's a lot less of an issue than the defensive line is.
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
They are 150% in a better position now than they were this time last year. Seriosuly, are you trolling ?
Did the Ravens difficulties in the first 3 quarters prove anything? I came out of it skeptical the idea would work in the NFL playoffs, despite the Ravens miscues, which muddied the pool and made it difficult to attribute the lack of success to the scheme.
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I'm on.
You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.
Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.
They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.
After one year it ain't looking good.
Just like for Jackson...
Seriously which dupe are you? I'm getting some Keith or BigBlueShock vibes, but it could be any of the four or five dickheads that follows me around.
They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.
Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.
I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
Yes, they did not try to improve the offensive line.
You are insufferably stupid.
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this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.
You are insufferably stupid.
Why? Because he's stating facts?
Eli is finished being a good QB in this league. The Giants should make him take a significant paycut or tell him to hit the road. I dont care if they have a QB that isnt as good as Eli next year. They're going no where with him anyways. So if he doesnt want to take a paycut then release him. Use that money on a player who will actually be a part of the team when they have a chance to be good again.
If they extend him and impact the cap on future years then they are out of their minds. What has Eli done to deserve an extension right now? Paycut or leave. Thanks for the terrific career but its over without a paycut.
You cant. Look at this thread. If you say something bad about Lamar... it instantly turned into Elis first game. Or if you point out the averageness of Rivers game... we had a poster being up the titans game in reference to Eli. Its really comical.
Shit we even had the game changing pick by Eli in the Eagles game that has happened all the time this year with no effect on the game .... except for Elis. Lol.
What's going to be ok?
The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.
Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team
The only bashing was mocking posters who praised him all week. He was horrible and even the commentators said he needed to be replaced.
But yet the usuals came in here to make it about Eli. Its really sad.
The front office needs to be realistic about what this team is going to be next year. If they're delusional and make win now moves it will make the rebuild longer than it needs to be.
Use this draft to build the defense which has holes everywhere and the offensive line. Suck next year and get a QB. That's going in the right direction.
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His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... its going to be ok. Trust me.
What's going to be ok?
The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.
Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team
Like who? You can continue to build the team and when his contract expires... you can better access where to go from there.
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looking to bash the first mistake a QB makes every single week thinking it somehow proves something about Eli, when it doesn't.
The only bashing was mocking posters who praised him all week. He was horrible and even the commentators said he needed to be replaced.
But yet the usuals came in here to make it about Eli. Its really sad.
Even during regular season threads that have nothing to do with the Giants. If you give another QB a compliment, some folks will come into the thread and question why your complimenting that QB.
Like, heaven forbid another player on another team gets a compliment on here, and if it's another QB? The insecurity REALLY kicks in.
Happens every week. Sad.
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
And I'm not sure Eli ever played a game with less than 25 yards passing going into a 4th quarter, let alone doing it in a playoff game.
If anyone watched that game and thinks there is a viable future for Jackson as a QB, I don't really know what to tell you. Sadly, it wasn't even an outlier for his passing. I think he averaged 180 yards passing this year.
The two QBs were not good today. Its ok to say that too.
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His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... its going to be ok. Trust me.
What's going to be ok?
The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.
Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team
Like who? You can continue to build the team and when his contract expires... you can better access where to go from there.
They don't need to use it on a QB. They can use that money on any number of holes they have elsewhere on the team. There are gigantic holes nearly everywhere.
They will suck with or without Eli Manning next year. I'd rather suck without him if he's going to be taking up 20+ million of the cap
The two QBs were not good today. Its ok to say that too.
Of course it is. But if you happen to say you like one of them after not liking them for years, I got a few posts for that exact thing. I didn't even say Rivers was good today. Just that I used to dislike him, and now I don't. And I still caught some hell for that innocuous post.
Eli against that pass rush would have turned it over multiple times.
Rivers played a good game for what they needed him to do today.
Jackson played poorly, Rivers did not.
If he played poorly today, then you honestly have no idea what you're watching. If that was playing poorly, what would you call some of Eli's games in the last 3 years?
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Thunderstruck27 : 4:24 pm : link : reply
But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
And I'm not sure Eli ever played a game with less than 25 yards passing going into a 4th quarter
it only seems that way...
LOLZ
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.
He also protected the ball.
Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.
Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.
Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
Lol. Your crusade is sad now.
Its absolutely pathetic man. Mook comes on every thread to regurgitate the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im honestly curious as to what purpose it serves? Does he think if he bitches and complains about not having a franchise QB and premium position players enough that its going to speed up the process?
We get it Mook. You wanted Darnold or Chubb. Now can you shut the hell up about it? Im pretty sure everyone is aware of your stance, if youre worried theres anyones left that doesnt.
Otherwise shut the hell up.
Same people thought this team would be good this season. They continue to believe this team is heading in the right direction.
Why is it ok to repeat the same stance 100000 times if you're drinking the Giants kool aid but not if you have a problem with the direction of this franchise.
When the GM of this team has a press conference and thinks this team is headed in the right direction its a problem. This team is stuck in neutral. The sooner they realize it, the better. Part of the problem is the fans. John Mara absolutely pays attention to the fan base. If he didn't he wouldn't have totally botched the way the Eli situation was handled after he was benched last year. He may not let it influence decision making often, but he definitely did last year and it hurt the direction of the franchise.
When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?
The NFC championship vs 49ers! Fumbled punt return J. Williams ring a bell?
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When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?
The NFC championship vs 49ers! Fumbled punt return J. Williams ring a bell?
That carried us to a victory?
Hmmm.... didnt know that!
Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.
You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.
No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.
I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.
I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year
1. I wanted Darnold last year.
2. I am ok if they move on this year (if done smartly.)
3. I dont want Eli extended.
Shit....whats being thrown into the air when we have nothing else to talk about.
Everyone on here loves to throw it in the face of people who didn't want Barkley that this season proves that they were wrong, but when you come and defend that position and don't have your pom poms out, you have fallen as a poster.
I hate the direction of this franchise. I have no idea how anyone on this board doesn't. Do you guys enjoy watching garbage football?
You've posted ad nauseum about not taking a QB. Even after you've watched Barkley play.
And because we didn't pick a QB, you keep saying we don't have a plan and are going to suck for years to come.
Yet if we had drafted a QB, we'd likely have been worse this year and no more reason for optimism.
Worse than posting the same thing over and over again, you post it as if you have been proven correct.
Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.
You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.
No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.
I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.
I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year
I'm worn out debating the same bullshit...
If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...
If you have watched the games this weekend it's pretty clear it's about running the ball, stopping the run and getting to the passer...sound familiar..??
You're unbearable because in your eyes the GM and coach should be fired, the QB should be cut and there's no hope ok we get it..
Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.
Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.
I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.
When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.
Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?
We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnt great but neither was the rest of the offense.
Sure as long as admit that 95% of his stats were garbage time stats and any drives of meaning he sucked balls.
Soon as you admit the same about Eli
This team has been rotten for a long time now. What they did after their season was over by Halloween doesn't excite me. They won 5 games and what, 3 of the 5 were against backup QB's.
I'd have been more optimistic if they were 2-14 and had a better pick. They won a few meaningless games. The defense is a total train wreck.
Or maybe people are because we are rebuilding and have addressed some needs, will address some more in the offseason, etc....
No one, I mean no one is thinking we are SB contenders next year. We have to overcome 7 years of putrid drafting of our prior regime. Rome wasnt built in a day.
If you didnt get excited aboout seeing SB be a stud. EE play well at the end of the year, BJ Hill shine this year. Jenkins being a top flight corner, Hernandez looking like a 10 year+ starters....
Then I cant help you.
If you cant, you leave? Deal?
For all we will find out, not a single QB drafted last year will end up being a franchise QB. We can already confidently say that Barkley is a generational player.
All things remaining equal, your optimism is based on nothing more than hope, which should at least give you enough pause not to post the same fucking bullshit over and over again.
You can build a team by getting a RB before a QB. In fact, there are a couple teams right now that have done that and are doing quite well.
I inspire.
2 wins against 3rd string qb's (49ers and Redskins) Another against a backup. And another against the Bucs who threw away the game by starting Fitz. Winston shredded the defense when he came in.
Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.
Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.
I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.
When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.
Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?
You do not need a franchise quarterback to win anymore.
And I think they can compete (loose term) if they fix the oline and get something that resembles a defense. Yes they can compete. But not for much.
I'm worn out debating the same bullshit...
If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...
How much is "fools gold" ...mybe some improvement but not extent of certainty...tenn game that was a test came up nil...in fact shutout.
When this offense or team stepped up vs better teams..it mostly shit the bed..it wasnt just 1 unit..it was all phases..breakdowns left and right and mistakes.
To not see through the forest and see theres plenty issues that continue to make this team stagnant..not improving.
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more like misfire...
If only we had Jackson to build around!!!
Darnold was up and down this year, but the talent is there. Sure he could bust, but there's also a good chance he takes a big step forward this year.
We know the Giants currently have nothing at QB for the future. They dont even have a lottery ticket.
more like misfire...
Like one of Eli's passes!!!!!
If you cant, you leave? Deal?
Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?
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ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.
If you cant, you leave? Deal?
Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?
I didnt. You did. By saying like eli did. So go ahead and prove it.
Darnold was up and down this year, but the talent is there. Sure he could bust, but there's also a good chance he takes a big step forward this year.
We know the Giants currently have nothing at QB for the future. They dont even have a lottery ticket.
Its a qb driven league
Having an all world rb is great and all. It reminds me of the old lions with barry sanders. How many championships did they win? Their qbs then were the mediocre to worse qbs ie eric hipple etc etc..this day to go far..is to have that qb..and the 2 lines in the trenches..rest you can work with
Or have had excellent defenses. Baltimore, Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh. Denver and Seattle had four or five seasons of elite defenses. Steelers had ten years of elite defenses. They haven't gone back since they've lost it.
So you agree forget the QB position and build the defense. And lets not do this by Free agency please. We spent 200 million just a few years ago with diminishing returns.
When you have the QB, it's easy to see a future. When you don't, it makes it much harder. No matter how good your RB is.
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more like misfire...
Like one of Eli's passes!!!!!
You always have to make this about Eli !
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But consistency isn't really a strong suit. I saw that good QB's don't miss the playoffs 6 out of 7 years and yet Rivers is being talked about as being an MVP candidate and he actually went 7 out of 8 years.
Now, the Giants supposedly don't have a QB, or a lottery ticket, whatever the fuck that means, but if we went 5-11 with Barkley we can apparently do it without him too.
If Darnold busts, the Jets are screwed and you are going to have to wait 3 to 4 years to see if that happens. I really don't see how that would give me more optimism.
Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?
Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.
I'm not sure there are franchise QBs anymore.
Think the Titans are stoked with Mariota? Bucs with Winston? And remember Cams draft class? All those teams were stoek by those shit QBs too.
I don't know how you win with no pass rush and no QB. It's pretty easy to find a path to winning without a stud RB. We've only seen it basically every year.
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that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
If it hasn't changed at all, you might need to explain how so many of the highest paid QB's missed the playoffs this year.
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I knew I could make you laugh!
Are we watching the same sport? Tom Brady is in the AFC title game seemingly every year. Drew Brees is torching the league at his age.
And you don't think there are franchise QBs anymore? Really?
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that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?
Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.
I'm not sure there are franchise QBs anymore.
Russell Wilson isnt a franchise QB? The Seahawks arent consistent?
I'll wait.
The QB's of the 4 teams with byes this year are Brady, Mahomes, Brees, and Goff.
All franchise level QBs.
Are we watching the same sport? Tom Brady is in the AFC title game seemingly every year. Drew Brees is torching the league at his age.
And you don't think there are franchise QBs anymore? Really?
You named two. Keep going. Wilson, does he fit the mold?
Bortles
Mariota
Foles
Brady
3 of them are NOT franchise QBs.
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The Jaguars didn't have that and fell off of a cliff this year. Tennessee ditto. Eagles were 9-7.
The teams that are consistently competing for titles are the ones that have franchise QB's.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
If they took Nelson, they would not have taken Hernandez. And somebody may have taken him anyway before the Giants got to 34.
So what the hell was your point chucklehead?
That extra loss was on eli
The Jaguars didn't have that and fell off of a cliff this year. Tennessee ditto. Eagles were 9-7.
The teams that are consistently competing for titles are the ones that have franchise QB's.
Yet, they sucked until the non-franchise Super Bowl MVP backup took over.
Like it or not Mariota, Winston, Smith, Rivers, Eli, Luck are also "franchise" QBs - all 1st round QBs.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.
There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.
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it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyd be set at guard for the next ten years.
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.
There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.
I tend to agree. Love Barkley but my conviction was if you don't like a QB then get the hell out of that #2 spot...
I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.
Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been years away since 2013. Enough is enough.
We can't really hypothesize this way. If we had taken Nelson instead, it would have created a domino effect that changed the way the rest of the draft played out. It would mean Barkley was still on the board, so someone within the next few picks would have passed on whoever they took, taken him instead, and the ripple effect could easily have resulted in Hernandez off the board at our 2nd pick spot.
Dallas spent the 4th overall pick on Elliott and their entire offense runs through him. This can work with Barkley. There are different ways to get to the same place and it can happen in different orders.
The offensive line and pass rush have to be things we go all out on this offseason.
No matter what, NYG had too many holes to effectively fill in one year. The order we fill them is less important than who we fill them with. Try to get the best players rather than focus so much on which holes are being filled first.
1. Moving on from Eli
2. Consider trading Beckham
3. Let Landon Collins walk
These are all very difficult decisions, none more so than Eli. These are HARD decisions, but its a business & the business model has failed. If the Gettleman makes some tough decisions which piss some fans off, thats a good thing.
You know what would be the easy decisions & consistent with the last 6 years?
1. Keep Eli for another year
2. Keep Beckham
3. Sign Landon Collins to a long term deal
Unfortunately, I think the latter is more likely.
This teams drafts sucked for more than half a decade. It will take awhile. The locker room is better, theres is stability at many positions. They got a keeper in Hernandez for the OL (something Reese was unable to do), there are promising young players on defense. Its a pretty darn good job for 1 off season. But he didnt take QB so everything else is worthless- whatever you guys are brutal.
Or why a team that desperately needs to improve on offense would trade one of their two offensive skill players that are above league average
And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.
The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.
Unless someone is blowing us away with a big time offer, I can't see how it helps the Giants get better. We'd also be selling low on him. He missed the last month of the season and most of last year. If there was ever a "low point" in terms of selling on this player - it would probably be now.
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you trade Beckham 6 months after signing him. Just not a wise business decision unless you get 2 1st rounders.
Or why a team that desperately needs to improve on offense would trade one of their two offensive skill players that are above league average
Apparently the baby needs to go out with the bath water...get rid of everyone.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.
The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.
There is way too much made of good QB play here. The way football is it isn't too hard to find a guy that can play these days. There used to be a dearth of talent at the QB position making it scarce. That's just not the case anymore. Plenty of guys can get it down if you surround the team with talent. The point of the draft is to add the best players you can. Not fit needs. We pick arguably the best player in the draft and people are upset. It's mind boggling.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
One first round pick does not cut it. Why would you trade a bonafide NFL star for a question mark/potential.
This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Its about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
Right, but then we have a horrendous WR group with no depth. So, where are the replacements coming from? Relying on FA WR's is a risky proposition. I know it worked with Burress way back when (sorta..) but we're most likely going to need to use picks on that position - so it's basically taking out one plug in the dam and using it to fill another hole.
I'm not sure it really gets us any closer.
And this assumes we actually nail the pick(s) we get in return. What if we whiff or the player we draft gets hurt? Then we're SOL.
Lets go back to his intro presser, what does he want to do?
1. Protect the QB
2. Run the ball
3. Pressure the other QB
Beckham doesnt factor into any of those 3, yet he is an asset to potentially help 1 or 3. Its about building a team & building an identity.
We had the best rushing offense in football and a top 5 defense. That's how it works with Hixon being the top WR. Burress did play more than half the games that year, too - so Hixon wasn't the WR1 all year.
Further - that team fell apart down the stretch and couldn't win a playoff game at home. We were dreadful. Not sure that's the model to follow here. The Giants teams with the true WR threats (Burress, Toomer, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham) won the Super Bowls and the ones without those guys didn't win any playoff games.
We didn't win in the playoffs with Beckham in 2016, either - but people often forget that the defense completely fell apart as soon as DRC was gone and gave up nearly 40 points. I'm not sure even a perfect day by Beckham catching the football gets us a W that night.
Holy revisionist history. That offense was awful one Plax went down.
We'll see who has the most team beneficial career of the two. If Barkley has Tomlinson-like productivity and longevity then it's a good pick.
Taking the wrong QB at #2 would have come with a high opportunity cost given the QBs coming out in 2020 and 2021.
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With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
Not to mention that Hixon became the #1 WR by default. It would be like saying the Cowboys are in the playoffs this year with Cole Beasley as their top WR, which statistically is true
When it comes time for 2nd contracts, he wont be anywhere near the highest paid.
I think Gettleman is a clown but thats not a fireable offense. Believing this team could compete this year is a fireable offense to me. Extending Eli would be a fireable offense.
Quenton Nelson should win Offensive Rookie of the year. He won't because he didn't put up flashy stats, but he's the best player in that draft in my opinion with Barkley a close 2nd. But neither one will be the most valuable. A couple of the QB's probably will be, Mayfield almost certainly will be.
He stood on his head basically the entire year, and this team still only won 5 games. 4 of which were against backups. 2 of them 3rd string guys. If Garropolo was healthy Giants don't win that game. If Trubisky was healthy giants dont beat Bears.
They would have beat Redskins probably regardless, but this team was really, really bad.
Which top running back from the last decade has won a Super Bowl?
Shit, Rams better win it this year cause Gurley will be 25 next year and he will be done...
Adrian Peterson just posted a 1000 yard season at age 33. And he tore his ACL a few years ago. I think we're getting carried away by trying to make it seem like the shelf life of a RB is basically 2-3 years. Barkley will last longer than that.
Elliott already has ~900 carries to his name and he's led the NFL in rush YPG per game in all 3 of his active seasons. That's missing 8 games due to suspension/injury/sitting out. 381 touches - the most in football. 2001 scrimmage yards.
I fucking hate Dallas, but Elliott is going to be doing this for a while and so will Barkley.
Shit, Rams better win it this year cause Gurley will be 25 next year and he will be done...
No one said he will be done at 26. But most likely his prime years will be behind him. It's like you guys haven't watched running backs. Ladanian Tomlinson was not immune from his production dropping significantly all of a sudden.
The Steelers let Bell sit out an entire season at age 26. Surely if his prime wasn't close to over they never would have held a hard line on him, right?
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
How many non QBs and lineman have more than 7 prime years though? Does that mean you should never take a non QB or lineman in the first round? I would have been happy with Chubb, but it's not out of the question we have a new QB in place and we're ready to contend while Barkley is still a good player, not discounting the fact that he might be instrumental in easing our next QB into the NFL.
But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.
Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.
It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
So, were just casually glossing over the part where Tomlinsons decline was a result of getting hurt several times?
He sprained his MCL, hurt his big toe, hurt his ankle, partially tore his groin... Im guessing that stuff had something to do with the dip.
Tomlinson actually had a pretty good year with the Jets, too.
Barkley is a better athlete. Its certainly not out of the question hell get hurt, but unless were banking on it, Im not sure LdT is a great comp here.
If Barkley has the same career as Tomlinson, people would see that as a negative? The guy is a hall of fame RB...