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AFC Playoffs: Chargers at Ravens

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/6/2019 10:45 am
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Ray Lewis is no longer there.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 10:48 am : link
Go Ravens
Is this Rivers year?  
micky : 1/6/2019 10:49 am : link
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This game is so intriguing  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2019 11:01 am : link
First time a team has seen Lamar for a second time. Can they make adjustments? If the Chargers get a couple score lead, can Lamar throw the ball effectively enough to bring them back?

Iím looking forward to this one
RE: This game is so intriguing  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14249575 BigBlueShock said:
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First time a team has seen Lamar for a second time. Can they make adjustments? If the Chargers get a couple score lead, can Lamar throw the ball effectively enough to bring them back?

Iím looking forward to this one


Not too worry. Rivers will choke. If not this game then the next one
56  
bc4life : 1/6/2019 11:56 am : link
Nice loyalty for Giant's QB, even if it was only for a few minutes
Will be a good test  
bc4life : 1/6/2019 11:57 am : link
for Jackson. Raven's running game might be the difference maker.
I'm rooting for the Chargers.  
GiantsUA : 1/6/2019 12:00 pm : link
So what if Rivers wins one, he has put together a nice career.

Eli has his rings.
Really looking forward to this one  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 12:27 pm : link
No fan of the Ravens but they bring a different game so itll be interesting to see how Chargers handle it 2nd time around. Browns had some success in 2nd half with DL shifts before the snap. Can Chargers force Jackson to throw?
Go Bolts!  
trueblueinpw : 1/6/2019 12:30 pm : link
Two teams that left a long time fan base. Not really a fan of either but would rather see San Diego - er - LA - than Bodymore.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 12:52 pm : link
No real dog in this fight - we'll see how LAC adjusted now that they've seen Jackson once already.

I like Lamar, so I'd like to see Baltimore win.

This is probably the one I had/have the most interest in this weekend.
Everybody picking Ravens  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 12:58 pm : link
I like Chargers here.

Mike Williams from Chargers is a big key. Chargers need to really bump up his snap count today. Stop playing the other Williams and get this guy the ball.

If they put Carr on him hell get open all day. Rivers has to get him the ball this time. He blew a few open shots last time to Williams with Carr getting beat.

I like the Chargers offense to do a lot more here and score 27+.
Did they have  
Walt in MD : 1/6/2019 1:03 pm : link
To shove Ray Lewis in our faces? The Nfl should be better than that.
ray lewis  
Mr. Nickels : 1/6/2019 1:05 pm : link
such a jerkoff
eff Ray Lewis  
jerseyboyLAX : 1/6/2019 1:12 pm : link
makes my skin crawl.....
Jackson has two fumbles  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 1:19 pm : link
Already. Lucky he recovered both.

And thereís the third this time by Dixon.
Anyone..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 1:20 pm : link
watching this game thinking a guy like Lamar Jackson is one to build an offense around should have their football IQ test shredded immediately
Ravens have their qb  
micky : 1/6/2019 1:23 pm : link
Just build around this kid and he'll be a superstar.

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RE: eff Ray Lewis  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14249752 jerseyboyLAX said:
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makes my skin crawl.....


Hmm. I like Lewis.
RE: Anyone..  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14249760 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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watching this game thinking a guy like Lamar Jackson is one to build an offense around should have their football IQ test shredded immediately


I agree, but I will give him until the end of the game to give me a reason to change my mind.
RE: Anyone..  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14249760 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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watching this game thinking a guy like Lamar Jackson is one to build an offense around should have their football IQ test shredded immediately


It really makes the margin for error very small.

By turning the ball over and presumably letting LAC get in here for a score, they're going to be a TD behind early which puts them in an immediate hole even larger than the obvious point deficit. They're built to get ahead and stay ahead... not trade points or catch up.

Next possession will be big for Baltimore. If they can't at least push FP back into LAC territory, they might be in trouble.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 1:26 pm : link
Oh wow they were much further out than I thought they were. I thought Gordon got all the way inside the 1.

Big stop.
Run with the backup?  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 1:26 pm : link
Or throw it with rivers?

I think OC overthink sometimes.
Is Schottenheimer  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 1:27 pm : link
Coaching in this game too.
RE: Run with the backup?  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14249771 dep026 said:
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Or throw it with rivers?

I think OC overthink sometimes.


with Gates on that team....???
Another missed facemask by the refs...  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 1:28 pm : link
they missed 2 yest one in each game...
Baltimore..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 1:29 pm : link
may very well win this game:

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I agree, but I will give him until the end of the game to give me a reason to change my mind.


But the offense can only succeed in the presence of an excellent D.

Jackson lone role should be to protect the ball and run clock.

And with a poor defense, this offense would be atrocious
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 1:30 pm : link
That's the type of hit Jackson can't take. He's still seeking out contact and is going to get himself hurt
Chargers played for the FG  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 1:30 pm : link
Bad move coach.
Bosa allows Jackson  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:31 pm : link
an escape route. Need to contain him and let him make a play with his arm.
Bosa is quick  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 1:32 pm : link
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Pick 6.  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 1:32 pm : link
He misses on a lot of thores
I can see  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 1:33 pm : link
A pick 6 coming up for SD with some of these awful throws.
Hard  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 1:37 pm : link
To win in the playoffs when your QB can't throw.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 1:37 pm : link
Baltimore's defense will keep them in this for a while because they're excellent - but if you try to play offense like they are with a defense like NYG had this year, it's a gigantic recipe for disaster.
RE: Bosa allows Jackson  
HomerJones45 : 1/6/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14249785 section125 said:
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an escape route. Need to contain him and let him make a play with his arm.
He and Watson are birds of a feather. Jackson needs prove he can hit passes from the pocket.
Chargers have to get some  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:38 pm : link
yards on 1st down...
Jackson is a lesser version of RG III  
Sy'56 : 1/6/2019 1:39 pm : link
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RE: Chargers have to get some  
HomerJones45 : 1/6/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14249799 section125 said:
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yards on 1st down...
Ravens defense is very good; they have to be because they are not running a pro offense.
RE: Jackson is a lesser version of RG III  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14249800 Sy'56 said:
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RG at least had some arm talent.
To be honest I dont know what they saw in him.
The head butt  
St. Jimmy : 1/6/2019 1:44 pm : link
should have been a penalty.
Ravens  
WillVAB : 1/6/2019 1:46 pm : link
Look like a high school offense
RE: Ravens  
section125 : 1/6/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14249822 WillVAB said:
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Look like a high school offense


Chargers OC calling plays like a HS OC.
This game is going to set down field passing  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 1:48 pm : link
Back years
Old fashioned defense battle  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 1:50 pm : link
Real football.
2 hopper by rivers  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 1:51 pm : link
Through the 5 hole of Williams.
We would be killing manning  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 1:51 pm : link
For some of these throws rivers is making
RE: Old fashioned defense battle  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14249830 jeff57 said:
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Real football.


No not really, 2 good Defenses, 1 pro offense 1 HS offense
So matter of time before Rivers puts together another drive for a score.
There are 30 mph wind gusts  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 1:54 pm : link
Seems many here are expecting an aerial show despite that minor sticking point.

Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it
At least Rivers is in the playoffs.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 1:55 pm : link
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RE: There are 30 mph wind gusts  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14249841 MetsAreBack said:
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Seems many here are expecting an aerial show despite that minor sticking point.

Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it

If Eli didnt get a pass for playing like shit ina rain storm why should Rivers?
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 1:56 pm : link
This is ugly.
RE: There are 30 mph wind gusts  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14249841 MetsAreBack said:
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Seems many here are expecting an aerial show despite that minor sticking point.

Rivers should have made that last throw though.... but I just knew dep would post about it


And you would defend him :)
Defensive  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 1:57 pm : link
battle. Neither QB is playing well. That INT was a poor throw by Jackson.
RE: Jackson is a lesser version of RG III  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14249800 Sy'56 said:
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Yes, which is ironic since RGIII is now on the Ravens.
I do wonder  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 1:58 pm : link
if they gonna bench Jackson and go with Flacco. At least they will have more experience and better arm talent
If ravens get behind multiple scores  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 1:59 pm : link
They have to bring Flacco in. But thereís a ton of time.
What the eff is that  
cjac : 1/6/2019 1:59 pm : link
High pitch noise Iím hearing?
I'm just..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 1:59 pm : link
astonished to be watching how the game has been revolutionized.

This has been one of the ugliest games I've seen in a few years.
People want 'defensive battles', here you go.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:00 pm : link
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As we often see with running QBís..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 2:00 pm : link
defenses adjust. Chargers look to have done just that.
RE: People want 'defensive battles', here you go.  
Sean : 1/6/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14249860 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This is so true. Where are all those people bitching from the KC-LAR game? Last night was a defensive game as well.

Oh, and ratings were through the roof this year. No mention of that either.
Rivers with  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:01 pm : link
2 nice throws. A TD here and Baltimore is in Oh shit mode.
Jackson  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:01 pm : link
is a rookie with about a half a season of real playing experience. Right now, he's just being asked to be a game manager as the Ravens rely on their defense and running game. Whether he can become more is an unknown. The problem is that he isn't managing this game very well. It's also difficult to win in the playoffs with a game manager at QB unless all the other phases of your team are truly outstanding.
RE: People want 'defensive battles', here you go.  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14249860 Dave in Hoboken said:
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There is a difference between a defensive battle and piss poor QB play
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:02 pm : link
Love the Ravens defense. But they're not going anywhere playing offense like this. Have to be able to throw the football in the playoffs.
Chargers need to shit can  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:02 pm : link
the running attack. Baltimore is in total run blitz mode.
Baltimore..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 2:02 pm : link
should bite the bullet and put Flacco in the game
RE: RE: People want 'defensive battles', here you go.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14249867 Danny L said:
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In comment 14249860 Dave in Hoboken said:


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There is a difference between a defensive battle and piss poor QB play


Eh. Between the Chargers defense adjusting and the 30mph wind gusts, I'm not so sure.
That's a terrible call..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 2:03 pm : link
these neutral zone infractions are another way defenses get killed
RE: Jackson  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14249866 AcidTest said:
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is a rookie with about a half a season of real playing experience. Right now, he's just being asked to be a game manager as the Ravens rely on their defense and running game. Whether he can become more is an unknown. The problem is that he isn't managing this game very well. It's also difficult to win in the playoffs with a game manager at QB unless all the other phases of your team are truly outstanding.


That might be true, but RGIII showed much more talent in his rookie season
Did Romo say  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:04 pm : link
Rivers sucks at pressure? Or did I misheard it.
Chargers Kicker looks like he's literally 14 years old.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
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And didnít the wind say 2.8 MPH  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?
No illegal contact - shoving  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
Allen OB 20 yards down field? How the hell do you not call that.
I  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
wouldn't be surprised to see Flacco early in the second half, but my guess is that Jackson at least finishes this half.
Let's take..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 2:06 pm : link
it easy on the severity of the wind.

The radio broadcast said wind gusts are 15-18mph and we've seen three FG's banged through with minimal impact from wind.
If there's 30 mph gusts there  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:06 pm : link
Then Curtis Riley is a HOF safety
RE: Let's take..  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14249882 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it easy on the severity of the wind.

The radio broadcast said wind gusts are 15-18mph and we've seen three FG's banged through with minimal impact from wind.


Maybe kilometers per hour?? ha
The wind is 15 sustained  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:07 pm : link
With 25 gusts. Any degenerate gambler knows winds at that range will significantly affect the total.
I  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:07 pm : link
live just north of Baltimore. The wind is about 15 mph where I am.
I hate to say it  
BestFeature : 1/6/2019 2:08 pm : link
But because of the overhype of Jackson, I REALLY want the Chargers to shut him down.
RE: I  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14249886 AcidTest said:
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live just north of Baltimore. The wind is about 15 mph where I am.


So times 2 in balt
Wind  
JohnG in Albany : 1/6/2019 2:09 pm : link
They showed the flags at the beginning of the game and they were starched, so the wind is definitely going to be a factor at times.

It's not like you cant  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:10 pm : link
Google about 8 different weather sites and get wind forecasts.
RE: And didnít the wind say 2.8 MPH  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14249878 dep026 said:
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Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?


Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.

Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
Should have been PI  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 2:11 pm : link
yesterday in end zone of Dallas game, and at least illegal contact downfield on that 3rd down throw....

Thought they had their bests refs out there for the Playoffs.....unbelievable....
As expected Jackson is HOT garbage when he has to throw  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 2:11 pm : link
Where you at Go Terps?! Hellen Keller saw this coming...
RE: RE: And didnít the wind say 2.8 MPH  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14249895 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14249878 dep026 said:


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Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?

Rivers arm isn't really the type to hold up in wind. Lots of arm under the ball.



Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.

Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable
I'm beginning to like this  
B in ALB : 1/6/2019 2:12 pm : link
Ssanders guy.
RE: RE: And didnít the wind say 2.8 MPH  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14249895 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14249878 dep026 said:


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Where are these 30 MPH gusts people talking about?



Not sure what you are referring to - the 30 mph gusts have been mentioned 15x since noon. Jay feely went into detail about it.

Say what you want about Rivers but he is accurate ... but his throws are all over the place today including the deep shot on the last drive that landed 5 yards out of bounds and would have picked up PI were it catchable


The on screen from CBS said 2.8 thatís why I mentioned it.

Itís tough to decipher on Jacksonís throws cause he looks like he usually does.
Rivers  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:12 pm : link
Passes aren't exactly optimal for this weather. He puts a lot of air under the ball.
Iíve seen ďWind GamesĒ.  
map7711 : 1/6/2019 2:13 pm : link
This ainít one. Period.
Jackson putting on an  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:13 pm : link
Accuracy clinic.
Bad  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:13 pm : link
pass from Jackson. They should switch at halftime. The problem is that Flacco hasn't played in weeks, so he'll probably need at least one series just get accustomed to playing again.
Lamar Jackson looks awful  
PetesHereNow : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
Missing guys by yards.
Jackson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
has had open WR's. He simply can't get them the ball.

That's not indicative of a great defense - it is some god awful throwing.
Flacco has to be a consideration at some point  
jlukes : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
Right?
Balt might be shutout this game  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
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RE: I'm beginning to like this  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14249902 B in ALB said:
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Ssanders guy.


LOL just stating the obvious. Jackson averaged 160 yards passing in his seven starts. Heís a run first ďQBĒ that Louisvilleís system was built around. Heís not a good QB.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:14 pm : link
Baltimore should definitely switch to Flacco at halftime. They can't play like this and win today. LA is prepared for it now and it's not working.
RE: Iíve seen ďWind GamesĒ.  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14249905 map7711 said:
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This ainít one. Period.


Yup..giants fans should know what wind games are like
The  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:17 pm : link
wind doesn't explain Jackson's inaccuracy. He's just missing open receivers.
9 points  
WillVAB : 1/6/2019 2:17 pm : link
Is insurmountable for Jackson. Dogshit QB
Flacco would be a gutsy move  
Walt in MD : 1/6/2019 2:17 pm : link
At start of second half. One Charger Td or a Jackson turnover and hes in for sure.
Bad  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:18 pm : link
drop by Allen.
Just shows how much a running game and D help a QB  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2019 2:19 pm : link
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There's  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:19 pm : link
Geno!
RE: Iíve seen ďWind GamesĒ.  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14249905 map7711 said:
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This ainít one. Period.


Obviously it's not the Skins-Giants game (in 2007 or the NFC title game in Jan 87)... but it's still having an impact on intermediate throws today
RE: What the eff is that  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14249858 cjac said:
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High pitch noise Iím hearing?


I know dude...it is fucking driving me crazy.
99  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:22 pm : link
smashes Rivers and gets hurt.
RE: 99  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14249926 AcidTest said:
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smashes Rivers and gets hurt.


He got hurt trying not to fall on Rivers... Great rule lol
Eventually the Ravens D will run out of gas  
PatersonPlank : 1/6/2019 2:23 pm : link
Come the 4th quarter they will have been on the field a long time
RE: RE: Iíve seen ďWind GamesĒ.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14249923 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14249905 map7711 said:


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This ainít one. Period.



Obviously it's not the Skins-Giants game (in 2007 or the NFC title game in Jan 87)... but it's still having an impact on intermediate throws today


But dude the wind is knocking players on their ass it can't be that windy.
Jackson is unwatchable. This is about winning.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:24 pm : link
Bring in Flacco.
is = isnt  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:24 pm : link
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They are hitting Rivers way late  
SomeFan : 1/6/2019 2:24 pm : link
Officials should have called roughing the passer twice at least
RE: They are hitting Rivers way late  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14249935 SomeFan said:
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Officials should have called roughing the passer twice at least


Meh, conditioned by pussy rules..
Flacco needs to come into this game no doubt  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 2:26 pm : link
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As they keep talking about the wind  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:26 pm : link
They show a view from the back of the EZ where the FG post flags sit there and slowly flutter
Iím surprised San Diego is playing  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 2:26 pm : link
100% for a FG
RE: RE: What the eff is that  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14249925 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 14249858 cjac said:


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High pitch noise Iím hearing?



I know dude...it is fucking driving me crazy.


Yeah, just heard it, some girl screaming it sounds like.
Brutal  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:28 pm : link
first half for Baltimore on offense.
I like Rivers.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:28 pm : link
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RE: Iím surprised San Diego is playing  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14249940 bubba0825 said:
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100% for a FG


If Baltimore doesn't make a QB change, 12 points is all the Chargers are going to need today.

Jackson isn't ready for this.
RE: Iím surprised San Diego is playing  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14249940 bubba0825 said:
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100% for a FG

Its a 2 score game, Ravens have shown nothing to hint they can overcome this.
Plus Chargers have the ball to start off the 2nd half.
RE: Iím surprised San Diego is playing  
robbieballs2003 : 1/6/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14249940 bubba0825 said:
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100% for a FG


Why? Baltimore has the best D in the NFL, Rivers has made bineheaded plays at the end of halves forcing throws and turning it over, and the Ravens don't have the Chiefs O. Just take the points and time of possession.
RE: Brutal  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14249942 AcidTest said:
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first half for Baltimore on offense.


*Jackson
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:32 pm : link
2 completions for 17 yards and a pick - plus 2 fumbles.

Give this man ORoY!
RE: I like Rivers.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14249943 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Of course, if Eli had a first half where he averaged 4.9 yards per pass attempt, youíd be all over him..:)

Rivers looks like the usual playoff Rivers. We shall see what the second half brings
The Lamar Jackson bus has broken down  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 2:34 pm : link
The playoffs can be a humbling time of year
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Danny Kanell : 1/6/2019 2:34 pm : link
This is a brutal game. And my God, Jackson sucks.
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Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 2:34 pm : link
Ravens QB Lamar Jackson scrambled on two called passes for a total of 32 yards. Outside of those two plays, Baltimore has 37 yards on 22 plays and a single first down.
Derwin James  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 2:35 pm : link
is an absolute stud at safety.
RE: RE: I like Rivers.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14249956 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14249943 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Of course, if Eli had a first half where he averaged 4.9 yards per pass attempt, youíd be all over him..:)

Rivers looks like the usual playoff Rivers. We shall see what the second half brings


I say that, because I used to hate Rivers. He's grown on me over the years, I guess.

It's the postseason. Win anyway you can. It's why I laugh at anyone who says the Giants only or mostly won SB 42 because of the defense. Defense was great in that postseason, but Eli and the offense contributed alot that postseason, as well. As long as you get the W in the postseason, doesn't matter how you get it.
Youíve got to go with Flacco..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:37 pm : link
This is for the right to advance towards the SB. Worry about LJís confidence next year
If they go with Flacco  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 2:38 pm : link
will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!
RE: If they go with Flacco  
robbieballs2003 : 1/6/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14249966 widmerseyebrow said:
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will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!


Only if they win. If they lose he could be fired. Haha.
RE: If they go with Flacco  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14249966 widmerseyebrow said:
Quote:
will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!


Listen buster, Iím a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)
Flacco starting the 2nd half..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 2:41 pm : link
per twitter.
RE: Flacco starting the 2nd half..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14249972 Sean said:
Quote:
per twitter.


👍
Jackson looks lost but.....  
pierce58 : 1/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
just a reminder about Eli's first playoff start

10 for 18 113 yds 0-TD 3-INT

That being said, the kid looks horrible today. Give Joe a shot. No argument there.
Oof  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
Brutal day for Jackson. He wouldn't be the first rookie to shit the bed in a playoff game.
This game is over.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: If they go with Flacco  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14249970 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14249966 widmerseyebrow said:


Quote:


will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!



Listen buster, Iím a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)


Hey, I would not mind him in charge Big Blue at all!
RE: RE: RE: If they go with Flacco  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14249978 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 14249970 Big Blue '56 said:


Quote:


In comment 14249966 widmerseyebrow said:


Quote:


will Harbaugh be billed as "courageous?" Twice in one season, not bad!



Listen buster, Iím a John Harbaugh fan! Watch it! :)



Hey, I would not mind him in charge Big Blue at all!


Me too
The entire Baltimore team looks like they didn't get out of bed  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 2:44 pm : link
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Gotta hold onto that.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:45 pm : link
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.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:45 pm : link
Baltimore's defense is playing well. It's hard to expect more from them when the QB completed 2 passes in the entire first half.
Maybe this isn't over.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 2:45 pm : link
Interesting.
Iím sure it has been mentioned, but Badgley is ...  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
... from Summit.
RE: Flacco starting the 2nd half..  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14249972 Sean said:
Quote:
per twitter.

Twitter is wrong
The  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
Offense had under 80 total yards and defense is holding a fantastic offense to 12 points. Just blocked a FG on top of that


Blame is on the pitiful offense and inability to pass the ball.
Cripes,  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
blocked kick. Williams has to hold that pass.
Or when the special teams are terrible  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
Or when the running back loses a fumble too.

No doubt Jackson want up to it, but he wasn't alone.
RE: The entire Baltimore team looks like they didn't get out of bed  
John In CO : 1/6/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14249980 Go Terps said:
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I thought the west coast team/early start on east coast team was possibly gonna be an issue for LAC. I was wrong.
RE: The entire Baltimore team looks like they didn't get out of bed  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14249980 Go Terps said:
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well, except the defense.
If jackson doesnt move this offense this drive  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:47 pm : link
Flacco needs to come in
Man, I was hoping to see the next great QB, Lamar Jackson  
BestFeature : 1/6/2019 2:47 pm : link
continue his great play.
When the plan  
WillVAB : 1/6/2019 2:48 pm : link
Is to make a QB beat you with his arm, heís obviously a shit QB.
Jackson still in?  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 2:49 pm : link
What a JOKE.
RE: RE: Flacco starting the 2nd half..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14249986 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14249972 Sean said:


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per twitter.


Twitter is wrong


Yes it is.
Wow what a huge dropped pass that was by Williams  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:49 pm : link
At least a 1st down and 4 downs to get a TD that would have probably put this game out of reach for Baltimore.

Instead, you have a blocked FG that gets the crowd back in it
Lamar  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
Have a seat.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
Harbaugh is crazy for leaving Jackson in there. You have an experienced, SB winner on the sideline. Put him in the game.

I know Flacco hasn't been good lately, but there's no way he's going to be worse than this.
RE: When the plan  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14249998 WillVAB said:
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Is to make a QB beat you with his arm, heís obviously a shit QB.


Yea, never a good sign when they are begging you to drop back.
You have to get Jackson out of there  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
You can tell he has lost all confidence at this point
I'm a Jackson fan, but this is bad.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/6/2019 2:51 pm : link
Get him out of there.
Should be an additional  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:52 pm : link
15 for grabbing the dreads, mon.
Jackson when time this game  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:52 pm : link
Tends to hold onto ball too long
Ravens very fortuante there  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 2:55 pm : link
.
Stephen A Smiths man  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:56 pm : link
Doesnít come through.
only thing that could get Baltimore back in it  
PetesHereNow : 1/6/2019 2:56 pm : link
Horrible fumble.
Dumb ass.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 2:56 pm : link
..
Timely  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
turnover for Baltimore, but Flacco should be playing. Baltimore has to get a TD here. FG isn't enough with this short field.
If I'm Baltimore  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
This is four down territory
Let  
SomeFan : 1/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
him pass, go with a light rush
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:58 pm : link
I mean, when you have to call a play like that on 3rd and 4, that should tell you that you need to switch the QB out.
What  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 2:58 pm : link
kind of play is that on third and four? Hearing some boos. Wasted drive.
Harbaugh  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 2:58 pm : link
Is hurting the ravens chances to win. You got to make the decision.
Rsvens  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 2:58 pm : link
Defense saving this from a blowout.
Wtf was that call  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:58 pm : link
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RE: Wtf was that call  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14250030 micky said:
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A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.
They donít trust him to throw  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 2:59 pm : link
and took the points, not a bad decision given the situation, IMO.
RE: RE: Wtf was that call  
micky : 1/6/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14250032 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14250030 micky said:


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A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.


If so, put Flacco in
RE: Harbaugh  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14250028 dep026 said:
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Is hurting the ravens chances to win. You got to make the decision.


I think at that point Jackson was the right call with his running ability.

Next series is the time, especially after Rivers gets a TD.
RE: RE: RE: Wtf was that call  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14250034 micky said:
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In comment 14250032 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


In comment 14250030 micky said:


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A coach who has absolutely zero confidence in his QB to throw the football.



If so, put Flacco in


He should have done it after half. Baltimore isn't out of this game with their defense - but they're not even going to make up a 9 point difference playing offense this way.

This game is still hanging in the balance. It sounds silly calling for Joe Flacco like this given that he's basically sucked for a while now, but he can throw the football and knows what he's doing. They have to make that switch.
Humphrey  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
Drops a gimme. Geez.
This is so Chargers  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
.
Humphrey  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
should have intercepted that ball.

Blocked punt.

It's getting chippy.
OC calling a bad  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
game for Chargers. They keep losing yards on runs. Stupid.
Ravens seem to be getting away  
SomeFan : 1/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
with some late hits and helmet to helmet hits
RE: This is so Chargers  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14250049 MetsAreBack said:
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I thought so too. God a TD here makes this fun.
Textbook  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:06 pm : link
holding by Stanley.
You get the feeling the Raven's D is going to win this  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 3:06 pm : link
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Jones throws, not one, but two punches,  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 3:06 pm : link
and yet no flag?
What  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:07 pm : link
a catch by Williams.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 3:07 pm : link
That was Jackson's first completion in 2 hours.
Bosa misses a sack.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:08 pm : link
4th and 2...
All-pro  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:08 pm : link
1st team.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 3:08 pm : link
Ladies and gentleman...

All-pro kicker, Justin Tucker!
No  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:09 pm : link
good. That's what you get from not have a passing game. Sure it's Tucker. But it's 50 yards.
And Tucker misses  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:09 pm : link
.
Rosas is Better chants  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 3:09 pm : link
Mustíve gotten to Tucker there.....
All Pro!  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:09 pm : link
Lord.

Rivers better get a TD because they will run out of luck soon.
Ravens  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 3:09 pm : link
Would be winning if Bob or Flacco were in.
Put Flacco in  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:10 pm : link
For fucks sake and make this interesting.
The Chargers are trying to give this game away, even with Jackson  
SterlingArcher : 1/6/2019 3:10 pm : link
as their qb they can win this game.
How can you honestly miss that?  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:10 pm : link
Bad coaching. Bad kicking.
Chargers should think  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 3:11 pm : link
About getting aggressive here. Flacco has gotta be coming in this game next possession.
Another useless  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:12 pm : link
1st down run..WTF?
RE: Another useless  
OBJRoyal : 1/6/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14250079 section125 said:
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1st down run..WTF?


Rivers is throwing some ugly passes
Why did Gates  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 3:14 pm : link
Give up yardage and go out of bounds?
Nice catch  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:14 pm : link
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There  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
it is, a big play from Rivers.

Baltimore has seven yards passing.

TD here ends it in all likelihood.
There we go.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
Burn the blitz.
Game  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
If they score.

Thereís the big play.
RE: Why did Gates  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14250082 Doomster said:
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Give up yardage and go out of bounds?


Didnít want to risk a turnover
Nice pass and catch.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
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This game is virtually over  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 3:15 pm : link
If SD gets a TD
These goalline dives aren't working Rivers  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 3:16 pm : link
Try something else
This game is already over.  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:16 pm : link
and Harbaugh blew it. It was pretty obvious in the first quarter that the Colts have schemed for Jackson AND the stage is too big for him.

Harbaugh should have brought in Flacco in the first half. Too late now.
Pretty bizarre having a 12-4 team  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
play on the road in the first round

He rolled about 6 times and still did not get in lol
Looks like a td  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
.
That's a TD  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
.
He may be in  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
Great catch and not letting it hit the ground. He bobbled it but it was a clean catch.
Might be a TD.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
He never had control until the 2nd rollover.
that's a touchdown, I think  
PetesHereNow : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
Charger player rolled in before he was touched.
Looks like a TD  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
But doubt they'll overturn it if chargers challenge as its close. Spot was horrible though.

Terrible throw regardless. Should have been a walk in TD
They give us the worst view  
map7711 : 1/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
Of that play before commercial. Thanks CBS.
I will laugh at the ball washing  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
Rivers will get after this game because they are going to will dispite him
Gotta go for 2 here  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
.
Think  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:19 pm : link
he got in before he was touched.
Itís a TD  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:20 pm : link
But definitely not definitive.
No matter what the  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:21 pm : link
ball would be at the 1 inch line. Bad spot.
Actually think itís the right call  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:21 pm : link
And if they called it a TD it would have stood.
Replay is a total crock of shit  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:21 pm : link
.
How do they get that wrong?  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
Never mind how the hell do they spot it there
Absolute bad call  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
because the spot was totally wrong. That is poor officiating.
Look where these assholes spotted the ball  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
.
They canít respot the ball  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
Thatís why itís at the 1
How can  
OBJRoyal : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
Everyone say it's a TD and the refs still cant get it right...
Unbelievable  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
if that stands.
It was blown dead  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
but what a weird play
Gordonís down  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
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Inexcuseable spot  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
.
Terrible call !!!!!  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
Terrible spot these fucking Reffs Suck
This game is fucking bizarre  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
.
Thatís a touchdown  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
By LA
Thatís a good TD  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
by the new rule.
wow  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
what will they call now?

that was certainly a bad spot
and they call that a TD  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
I give up.
Heís short  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
Not a TD.
RE: and they call that a TD  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14250129 Jints in Carolina said:
Quote:
I give up.


Yup..bizzare
Not a TD  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
But Charger ball.
These refs aren't very good.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
.
#1 he is  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
in for a TD.

But they way they ruled the last one, he may be short. Def not a fumble.
I  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
don't think it's a fumble or a TD.
Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
two terrible calls made at the goal line.

First one was likely a TD and this one likely isn't - and yet both will likely have been upheld
I hate replay  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
Anyone who watched that Watt play and didn't think he was in should get their eyes checked.
Thatís a fumble!!!!!  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
They are going to fuck this up.
Not a td  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
Arm elbow hits before ball broke plane
Wouldnít be down at the 1 inch line  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
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Down by contact short. No TD no fumble  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
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looks like a fumble  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
ball is floating before he's down. he doesn't regain control.
Chargers need to pass it  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
Or QB sneak.
This is an officiating shitshow  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
That ball should have been snapped an inch away from the goal line to begin with.
RE: Thatís a fumble!!!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14250138 dep026 said:
Quote:
They are going to fuck this up.


No itís not, he was touched and elbow hit
The chargers are going to get screwed  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
That play shouldnít have even happened
RE: Thatís a fumble!!!!!  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14250138 dep026 said:
Quote:
They are going to fuck this up.


How is it a fumble? Heís simply down by contact as his elbow hits before the ball bobbles.
I think it's a fumble too.  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
He lost possession before hitting the ground
Then heís down by contact again just short  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
of the goal line.
RE: The chargers are going to get screwed  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14250146 bubba0825 said:
Quote:
That play shouldnít have even happened


true. they scored on the last play.
Six inch line  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
down by contact
RE: Heís short  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14250130 dep026 said:
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Not a TD.


Yup. I take it back just saw the replay. Weddle touched him and heís down early.
Not a fumble  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
But it's also not a TD
How was the ball spotted on the 1 on that TD pass.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
Like how does that happen. Should have been an easy sneak from 6 inch line.
He was down  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
but it wasnt a touchdown
RE: RE: Thatís a fumble!!!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14250147 UConn4523 said:
Quote:
In comment 14250138 dep026 said:


Quote:


They are going to fuck this up.



How is it a fumble? Heís simply down by contact as his elbow hits before the ball bobbles.


Exactly, ball was not loose before hitting the ground
I haaaaaate that rule.  
Beezer : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.

I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnít cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he canít hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.
Correct call  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
.
I  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
think they got it right.
Got that one  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
correct.
Right call  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
.
As I thought  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
Clear as day
Chargers  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 3:26 pm : link
should kick this field goal.

Ravens arent scoring 2 touchdowns.
The ball was loose  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.
Yessss Way  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
Frig The Ravens
RE: I haaaaaate that rule.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14250158 Beezer said:
Quote:
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.

I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnít cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he canít hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.


ok then...
Game over  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
I donít see the Ravens being able to get three scoring drives.
I would have kicked the FG but can't argue the outcome  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
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Flacco has to go in now  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
.
Game  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
Now it's too late for Flacco might as well keep Jackson in
RE: I haaaaaate that rule.  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14250158 Beezer said:
Quote:
I think that should be a fucking fumble and a touchdown for Baltimore. Even though I hate Baltimore.

I think the whole rule about the ground causing a fumble is bogus. The ground doesnít cause a fucking fumble. The ball carrier causes a fumble when he hits the ground because he canít hold onto the fucking football. I think you should have to possess the football until the play is absolutely completed.


Only that wasnít the call. Or the play at all
To be clear.  
Beezer : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
I donít have a problem with the call that was made, ultimately. I have a problem with the rule.
RE: The ball was loose  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14250166 dep026 said:
Quote:
Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.


exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.
Replay  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
gets bailed out.

Replay is a train wreck in the NFL. Total train wreck.
Well, that's that.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:28 pm : link
.
RE: The ball was loose  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14250166 dep026 said:
Quote:
Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.


Well, it was a TD on the previous play, sooooo.
That ball..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 3:28 pm : link
was moving before he hit the ground, but the call would've been the same because the refs had blown it dead.
100% the correct call  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 3:28 pm : link
Not even close or debatable
RE: The ball was loose  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14250166 dep026 said:
Quote:
Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.


There is zero evidence the ball was loose. He had a hand on the ball and it didnít bobble. Absolutely the correct call.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
Too late for Baltimore now. If they were going to make a QB switch, they missed their chance.

LA was a fantastic road team this year - I think they're going to beat the Patriots.
Goodnight Ravens and go fuck yourselves for SB35  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
Harbaugh watch begins.

Too bad we wonít try to get him even though we should.
RE: To be clear.  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14250174 Beezer said:
Quote:
I donít have a problem with the call that was made, ultimately. I have a problem with the rule.


What is your issue with the rule?
I simply think itís better game  
Beezer : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
without all these ticky-tack rules. Put the onus on the player to maintain possession.
Flacco time  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
No other way
.  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
They got that call right, BTW.
The referee  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 3:29 pm : link
can't error on the side of caution and let the play play out.

They can't do that because of how fucking awful replay is. Even plays that need to be overturned, they often don't overturn them.

Replay is broken and it's only getting worse. The idea that they should stick with the call on the field almost always is mind numbing.
The Chargers game planned for Lamar Jackson  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2019 3:30 pm : link
It gives the Ravens a big advantage by putting in Flacco now as he is the polar opposite of Jackson.
BTW  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 3:30 pm : link
I think what makes tony romo a good color guy is that you can tell he loves the game, itís rare that it shows through
He never lost possession until his elbow hit  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:30 pm : link
thereís a great shot of it where it looks like he changed hands but the ball was always gripped, it didnít budge until his elbow hit.
RE: RE: The ball was loose  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14250181 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14250166 dep026 said:


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Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.



There is zero evidence the ball was loose. He had a hand on the ball and it didnít bobble. Absolutely the correct call.


Sorry I disagree. When he extended you can see the ball definitely shift. Agree to disagree.
Thereís no possible way  
Everyone Relax : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
you can say definitively that ball was out before he hit the ground. If they had called it a fumble on the field I wouldnít have had an issue with them keeping that call but you canít overturn it there.
I think it's really difficult to determine...  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
..that the ball was loose.

Really close, and you err on the side of possession.
And Flacco continues to stand on the sidelines  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
.
RE: That ball..  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14250179 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was moving before he hit the ground, but the call would've been the same because the refs had blown it dead.


I agree the ball was being bobbled but wouldn't the call have been Ravens ball at the 1 since they clearly took possession after the fumble?
if you want the officials  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
to let the play go in those circumstances and then fix it on replay, then you have to do away with sticking with the call on the field in most situations. If you're going to tell the official to let that play play out then you can't say "There has to be 100% conclusive evidence to overturn"
No Flacco?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:31 pm : link
Iíd like to hear why
Jackson getting the shit booed out of him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
.
Harbaugh is going to be gone  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
.
WTF was that playcall?  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
Was not even a good fake run
WOOO  
Mr. Nickels : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
GO LAMAR!!!!
Lamar Jackson getting booed  
Sean : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
This offense is high school level. Not even.
This is just embarrassing  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
Now.
Flacco will be in Washington  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
Next season.
well i guess the Jackson era...  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
...has hit a bump.

Those are HUGE boos.
Bill. Nothing deep.  
Beezer : 1/6/2019 3:32 pm : link
I have simply never liked the rule that the ground canít cause a fumble. Ultimately, it is a misnomer anyway. Technically the ground isnít causing the fumble. The player is responsible for the fumble because they lost the football, just as it is when a helmet or a hand or a shoulder pad knocks the ball loose.

Have always disliked that rule.
well, Harbaugh is turtling.  
markky : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
no way they score 17 points with Jackson in the game. 6 passing yards.
LOL  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
Ravens with 6 yards passing for the game
RE: RE: The ball was loose  
Eman11 : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14250175 markky said:
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In comment 14250166 dep026 said:


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Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.



exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.


Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.
And ... game.  
Beezer : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
.
Dep  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
the ball does shift, I said that. He doesnít lose possession of the ball, which is the difference. You can see the point of the ball stay stable you just canít tell which hand is gripping it because I believe his grip hand changed.
3/10 28 yards passing for Jackson  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
so jealous
Jackson is trash. It was only a matter of time  
jlukes : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
Before NFL teams got enough tape on him to expose him
this might be a firable offense  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
for Harbaugh.
Love Melvin Ingram  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
Isn't he a FA ????
Lamar looking at rush while it comes in  
PetesHereNow : 1/6/2019 3:33 pm : link
Not good.
RE: this might be a firable offense  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14250218 Jints in Carolina said:
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for Harbaugh.


Yup!!!
Chargers proving..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
if you can protect your QB, run the ball & rush the passer you will win. Some things never change.
Old Immoobile QB - 1  
WillVAB : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
Shitty mobile athlete QB - 0
RE: Jackson is trash. It was only a matter of time  
spike : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14250217 jlukes said:
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Before NFL teams got enough tape on him to expose him


Terrruvle job by Jackson. Put in Flacco.

Ravens  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
Offense is hindered by a running back playing QB.
RE: Jackson is trash. It was only a matter of time  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14250217 jlukes said:
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Before NFL teams got enough tape on him to expose him

It usually takes more than 7 starts for that to happen but the Chargers clearly figured him out.
Bet harbaugh will be fired  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
.
Just like I thought  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
Completely exposed.
Jackson has absolutely no idea how to identify pressure  
jlukes : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
And adjust protections
Terrible move cosch  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
Should have Flacco in there. Or bring in the punter or anybody who can make a throw. Jackson is clueless back there
Not only is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.
RE: Harbaugh is going to be gone  
spike : 1/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14250202 micky said:
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.

He will go down with jackson
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14250215 UConn4523 said:
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the ball does shift, I said that. He doesnít lose possession of the ball, which is the difference. You can see the point of the ball stay stable you just canít tell which hand is gripping it because I believe his grip hand changed.


Fair enough. Now I do believe that if they called it a fumble, it wouldnít be overturned. But thatís a different argument thatís utterly meaningless cause Lamar shit the bed.
RE: RE: RE: The ball was loose  
SomeFan : 1/6/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14250212 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14250175 markky said:


Quote:


In comment 14250166 dep026 said:


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Before he hit the ground.

I am sorry but the refs messed up.



exactly. ball was already floating in mid-air before he hit the ground.



Sorry but I'm not sure what you guys saw. On the one replay where they stopped it when Gordon's left triceps hit the ground, he had two hands on the ball and it wasn't moving or loose at that instant. Having been tripped up by Weddle, he was down by contact while still having possession.


Agree, it was obvious
RE: 3/10 28 yards passing for Jackson  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14250216 My Ears Trophy said:
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so jealous


LOL he has SIX net yards passing
Would have brought Flacco back but too late
little disappointed in Baltimore fans....  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 3:35 pm : link
...cheer the guy when it's going good, but losing a playoff game and boo like that.

Lame.

This seemed inevitable though. You need to throw the football to consistently win, esp in the playoffs.
RE: Ravens  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14250226 Toth029 said:
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Offense is hindered by a running back playing QB.


^This.
RE: Not only is..  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14250232 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.


He's young..but may be right. Not good for taking abuse when really not ready for esp playoff football.hes about 22 yrs old
...  
christian : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
The Ravens would be fine if they had like 1 or 2 other incapable QBs to replicate Jackson's inability to play QB.

They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.
Part of me wonders if Jackson was at front office choice  
jlukes : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
And not a Harbaugh choice. It's why there is were so rumors of Harbaugh leaving after this year and why he is sticking with Jackson here. Almost as a if he's telling the front office "this is your guy, right?"
RE: Not only is..  
SomeFan : 1/6/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14250232 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.


Yep, I would have expected him to flash at least some NFL passing talent but got nada.
Iíd rather have Griffin in at this point  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
Lamar isnít a QB. Maybe one day but certainly not today. He looks lost back there.
RE: Not only is..  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14250232 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.


Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB
RE: Love Melvin Ingram  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14250220 Bluesbreaker said:
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Isn't he a FA ????


No.
RE: Not only is..  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14250232 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.


Ooooo, don't tell Go Terps. He'll demand a committee to investigate why this isn't working.
Can you imagine Jackson paired with Barkley?  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
Just inviting more guys into the box to stymie our best offensive player and not being able to complete a pass? Remember, it could always be worse.
Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 3:38 pm : link
I'd imagine he can only get better
That Rivers celebrations, hahahahah.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:38 pm : link
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*celebration  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:38 pm : link
.
People bashing Harbugh, Jackson, Ravens are missing  
Stan in LA : 1/6/2019 3:39 pm : link
The fact that the Chargers are REALLY, REALLY good.
Rivers has played a  
jlukes : 1/6/2019 3:39 pm : link
Great game against a tough defense.
Nothing flashy, but took care of the ball
RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14250251 Thunderstruck27 said:
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I'd imagine he can only get better


True. Eli's first playoff start wasn't exactly stellar either (23-0 shutout against Carolina at home in 2005)
RE: RE: Not only is..  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14250247 dpinzow said:
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In comment 14250232 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


it a fireable offense, but this might actually send Jackson down the same road as Tebow.

He is simply not an NFL-calibre QB.



Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB


Hindsight is 20/20.

People were just as hopeful that Tebow would "learn to pass" in the NFL because he was a great leader and could make plays with his legs. He got some wins paired with a great defense. Jackson could very well "learn to pass" but the hype and odds are about the same.
RE: this might be a firable offense  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/6/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14250218 Jints in Carolina said:
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for Harbaugh.


Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.

Iím guessing his thinking is, ďIf I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.Ē

So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.

Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.
Chargers will give the Pats a good game  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:40 pm : link
But always tough to win up there.
RE: People bashing Harbugh, Jackson, Ravens are missing  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14250256 Stan in LA said:
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The fact that the Chargers are REALLY, REALLY good.


They have a decent chance at New England next week should they hold this lead
RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14250251 Thunderstruck27 said:
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I'd imagine he can only get better


He has 6 yards passing. 6!

Thereís no doubt heís an excellent athlete but, heís not an NFL QB.
RE: ...  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14250242 christian said:
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The Ravens would be fine if they had like 1 or 2 other incapable QBs to replicate Jackson's inability to play QB.

They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.


If the Ravens had stuck with Flacco they never would have made it here.

The entire offense (Jackson included) and special teams shit the bed. Flacco wouldn't have done any better with the way LA's pass rush was dominating.
AFC Divisional Round is fun  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 3:41 pm : link
Colts @ Chiefs

Chargers @ Pats

I would be anxious if I were either KC or NE, especially NE.
RE: RE: this might be a firable offense  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14250263 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 14250218 Jints in Carolina said:


Quote:


for Harbaugh.



Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.

Iím guessing his thinking is, ďIf I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.Ē

So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.

Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.


Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that
Quite a few posters seem to care a lot about what I think  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
It's flattering.
RE: RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
spike : 1/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14250266 Hsilwek92 said:
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In comment 14250251 Thunderstruck27 said:


Quote:


I'd imagine he can only get better



He has 6 yards passing. 6!

Thereís no doubt heís an excellent athlete but, heís not an NFL QB.


RG3 would do better
If Harbaugh was let go  
jeff57 : 1/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
Heíd have another head coaching gig in 48 hours.
Lamar Jackson has 25 yards passing in this game.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
Hahahaha.
Harbaugh did a great job  
KWALL2 : 1/6/2019 3:43 pm : link
Adapting mid season and got them on a roll. But no excuse to keep jackson in there.
RE: If Harbaugh was let go  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14250273 jeff57 said:
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Heíd have another head coaching gig in 48 hours.


Jets
RE: If Harbaugh was let go  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14250273 jeff57 said:
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Heíd have another head coaching gig in 48 hours.


Yup, the NYJ would be introducing him on Tuesday in a press conference as their next head coach. They tried to get his brother from Michigan
Way out of the blue and hardly serious,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 3:44 pm : link
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless heís unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
They should bring in Flacco although  
Rick in Dallas : 1/6/2019 3:44 pm : link
Game is lost
RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14250267 Go Terps said:
Quote:
In comment 14250242 christian said:


Quote:


The Ravens would be fine if they had like 1 or 2 other incapable QBs to replicate Jackson's inability to play QB.

They could just go to one of them. It's the new model.



If the Ravens had stuck with Flacco they never would have made it here.

The entire offense (Jackson included) and special teams shit the bed. Flacco wouldn't have done any better with the way LA's pass rush was dominating.


Point 1 is correct - they'd have been eliminated weeks ago.

Point 2 - but it is likely that Flacco could complete a couple passes.
Chargers front is very good.
RE: Rivers has played a  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14250257 jlukes said:
Quote:
Great game against a tough defense.
Nothing flashy, but took care of the ball


I disagree. Rivers has looked like shit - missing open receivers, missed an easy TD throw (the one incorrectly not overturned on replay)... the only thing one can say is he didn't fuck up what his Defense has done for him today by turning it over.

He'll need to be 10x better next week in Foxborough
RE: Lamar Jackson has 25 yards passing in this game.  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14250274 Mr. Bungle said:
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Hahahaha.


I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.
RE: Way out of the blue and hardly serious,  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14250282 Big Blue '56 said:
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but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless heís unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?


Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.
RE: RE: RE: this might be a firable offense  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/6/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14250270 micky said:
Quote:
In comment 14250263 BigBlueinChicago said:


Quote:


In comment 14250218 Jints in Carolina said:


Quote:


for Harbaugh.



Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.

Iím guessing his thinking is, ďIf I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.Ē

So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.

Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.



Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that


Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.
Worst performance ever !  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:47 pm : link
Baltimore Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS RTG
Lamar Jackson 3/10 25 2.5 0 1 5-27 0.0
TEAM 3/10 -2 2.5 0 1 5-27 0.0
RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has 25 yards passing in this game.  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14250286 Hsilwek92 said:
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In comment 14250274 Mr. Bungle said:


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Hahahaha.



I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.


Gross 28, but net minus with the sacks, no?
RE: RE: RE: RE: this might be a firable offense  
micky : 1/6/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14250288 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 14250270 micky said:


Quote:


In comment 14250263 BigBlueinChicago said:


Quote:


In comment 14250218 Jints in Carolina said:


Quote:


for Harbaugh.



Unless he is so sure in his job security, he is willing and totally comfortable making a non-move like this.

Iím guessing his thinking is, ďIf I bench him, all these questions will come up and start a controversy.Ē

So by leaving him out there, he is leaving no doubt about who the future of the team is and is at the same time, showing Flacco the door.

Never put it past egomaniac NFL coaches to look at their own self interest instead of the team.



Even to sacrifice to win or try a playoff game? I find it hard to believe that



Did you miss the Super Bowl? Belichick sat his best CB for 100% of the snaps for reasons still unknown to this day in a game his defense got torched for 41 points.


Yes but he wasnt a qb..big difference
RE: AFC Divisional Round is fun  
Eman11 : 1/6/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14250268 Chris684 said:
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Colts @ Chiefs

Chargers @ Pats

I would be anxious if I were either KC or NE, especially NE.


Seriously. It's not out of the question or even hard to envision it ending up #6 Indy at #5 LA in the AFC Champ game.
It Jackson's first game, but until he can run a pro style offense  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/6/2019 3:48 pm : link
Baltimore isn't going anywhere.

And people here don't think Haskins or Lock or even Jones are worth a first round pick at 6?

The days of a Joe Kapp type QB are long gone. You have to be able to pass the rock and make the reads and deliver from the pocket.
I'm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 3:48 pm : link
not sure the evidence bears this out:

Quote:
Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB


He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.

Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games
"look who got us here"  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:49 pm : link
and look what he did when he was there
RE: RE: RE: Lamar Jackson has 25 yards passing in this game.  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14250290 section125 said:
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In comment 14250286 Hsilwek92 said:


Quote:


In comment 14250274 Mr. Bungle said:


Quote:


Hahahaha.



I thought it was less. Well, 25 is better than 6 I guess.



Gross 28, but net minus with the sacks, no?


Yeah. Oh, and thereís another.
RE: Way out of the blue and hardly serious,  
HomerJones45 : 1/6/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14250282 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless heís unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?
More likely Flacco is done in Baltimore and the Ravens are going to ride with Jackson.
RE: RE: Way out of the blue and hardly serious,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14250287 section125 said:
Quote:
In comment 14250282 Big Blue '56 said:


Quote:


but do you think Flacco, who will be gone after today, essentially told Harbaugh to fuck off after being asked to play? I doubt it as it would hurt his FA chances imo, but unless heís unable to physically play, what possible reason could Harbaugh give for throwing away a playoff game?



Flacco has 3 or 4 more years on his contract, IIRC.


Oh, my bad. So they would have to trade or cut him
Too little, too late.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:50 pm : link
.
LAMAR!!!!!  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:50 pm : link
Money
My Bad MVP  
Bluesbreaker : 1/6/2019 3:50 pm : link
!
Baltimore finally gets in the end zone  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 3:51 pm : link
the Chargers corner just let Crabtree run right by him for some unknown reason
Wow, I completely forgot Michael Crabtree even existed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 3:51 pm : link
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RE: I'm..  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14250294 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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not sure the evidence bears this out:



Quote:


Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB



He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.

Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games


They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.
RE: Wow, I completely forgot Michael Crabtree even existed.  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14250303 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Willie Snead too.
Up by 20 and you let a WR  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:51 pm : link
get behind you?

Hopefully a wake up for the Chargers. They can still blow it.
Hey Tucker, kick it straight up in the air  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 3:52 pm : link
make sure you dropkick it too!
What a stupid  
section125 : 1/6/2019 3:56 pm : link
rule. Can't go over the 10 yard line until it touches the ground????
150 yards and 0 TDs  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 3:58 pm : link
Is now considered a great game for a QB? Yeesh.
The biggest difference in this game is the Chargers have a qb and the  
SterlingArcher : 1/6/2019 4:00 pm : link
Ravens have Jackson!
RE: 150 yards and 0 TDs  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14250311 dep026 said:
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Is now considered a great game for a QB? Yeesh.


Less than 5 yards an attempt.

Chargers defense was the key to this game. Baltimore never threatened.
RE: 150 yards and 0 TDs  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14250311 dep026 said:
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Is now considered a great game for a QB? Yeesh.


Rivers is having his usual playoff/meaningful game clutch performance. Heís even averaging less than 5 YPA.. But theyíll advance, so thereís that
RE: 150 yards and 0 TDs  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14250311 dep026 said:
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Is now considered a great game for a QB? Yeesh.


Rivers is throwing for 4.9 yards per throw...Jackson 6.4. Wow
RE: RE: I'm..  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14250304 widmerseyebrow said:
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not sure the evidence bears this out:



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Lamar Jackson is a lot better than Tebow ever was. He could develop into a good NFL QB but is still very inexperienced. It was apparent to everyone that Tebow was never an NFL QB



He's done nothing but run this year. Passing-wise, he might not even be a lot better than the worst BBI'er out there.

Keep in mind that Tebow actually won a playoff game and threw 2 TD's in playoff games



They are remarkably similar in terms of hype and projection. Tebow actually had a better average per carry as a QB. And once again many are hoping for a runner to learn how to pass in the NFL and revolutionize the QB position.


When oh when will we finally see a Steaminí Willie Beamen?
What the hell  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:03 pm : link
was James doing? Just stay with your man.
WHOA!  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:03 pm : link
.....
Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:04 pm : link
for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.
Not for nothing that jackson throw across field  
micky : 1/6/2019 4:04 pm : link
Back foot was a nice throw
RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14250321 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.


True, but if he had the Chargersí or Ravens D, itís doubtful heíd be sitting at home. Unfortunately he doesnít so yes, he sits at home
That's a TD.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:06 pm : link
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RE: Not for nothing that jackson throw across field  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14250323 micky said:
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Back foot was a nice throw


And should have been an INT - weak, wobbly quail...
If the DB didnít cey  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:06 pm : link
For a flag.. Crabtree would have been short.
That might be a touchdown  
dpinzow : 1/6/2019 4:06 pm : link
Crabtree caught the ball and it looked like he was on the goal line when he established possession
TD  
RobCrossRiver56 : 1/6/2019 4:07 pm : link
.
Close to a td  
micky : 1/6/2019 4:07 pm : link
.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:07 pm : link
interesting comment:

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Dave in Hoboken : 4:04 pm : link : reply
for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.


Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.

But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....
RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14250325 Big Blue '56 said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



True, but if he had the Chargersí or Ravens D, itís doubtful heíd be sitting at home. Unfortunately he doesnít so yes, he sits at home


Eh, maybe. Nowhere near a definite, though. We got shutout at home by the freaking Titans a few weeks ago.
RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14250321 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.


Thanks, had no idea!
pretty sure I think Charger DB  
PetesHereNow : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
opted to argue with the ref rather than touching Crabtree down short of the line to gain on 4th down.
RE: LOL..  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14250332 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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interesting comment:



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Dave in Hoboken : 4:04 pm : link : reply
for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.

But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....


And that's awful, too. They're in the playoffs this year, though.

Why would I defend a team not making the postseason 7 out of 8 seasons? That's horrible, haha.
RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
map7711 : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14250321 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.


Give it a rest at some point man.
RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14250321 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.


Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...
RE: LOL..  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14250332 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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interesting comment:



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Dave in Hoboken : 4:04 pm : link : reply
for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Prior to this year, Rivers and the Chargers offense were sitting at home 7 out of the past 8 years.

But I'm sure through no fault of Rivers....

LOL
What an epic meltdown defensively  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
This is starting to remind me of the eagles vick game
RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14250335 Ssanders9816 said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks, had no idea!


Anytime.
TD  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:09 pm : link
to me.
RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14250339 dep026 said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...


I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!
Thankfully Rivers probably won't be relied upon to complete a pass  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 4:10 pm : link
to help put this one away. What a melt down.
Dismal Dave  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 4:10 pm : link
tripping over himself for Phil Rivers now.

All too predictable.

Jackson more yards than Rivers now?  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:10 pm : link
LOL...

This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.

He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......
RE: Jackson more yards than Rivers now?  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14250348 BillKo said:
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LOL...

This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.

He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
map7711 : 1/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14250344 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...



I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!


Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.
...  
christian : 1/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
That's a great throw by Jackson.

Desperation pushed the Ravens to operate a downfield offense.
Chargers....  
OBJRoyal : 1/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
Let up on deeeee
Chargers tripping over  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
their ..d... feet. Piss poor defensive play.
I can only imagine..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:12 pm : link
the Legend of Jackson if they come back here.

But the OC and DC of the Chargers has done horribly today. Why go into a prevent that leaves guys open downfield??
RE: RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14250350 map7711 said:
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...



I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!



Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.


Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.
as I was saying earlier this has been a courageous coaching  
markky : 1/6/2019 4:12 pm : link
performance by Harbaugh. They're on the verge of an epic comeback.
RE: RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14250266 Hsilwek92 said:
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I'd imagine he can only get better



He has 6 yards passing. 6!

Thereís no doubt heís an excellent athlete but, heís not an NFL QB.


He's coming around
Football is such a weird game, I'd say  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 4:13 pm : link
Why slide and give them more time to work with?
Do you onsides kick?  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2019 4:13 pm : link
They rarely work, but I do.
RE: Dismal Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14250347 Chris684 said:
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tripping over himself for Phil Rivers now.

All too predictable.


Your saltiness is delicious, cockless Chris.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
map7711 : 1/6/2019 4:14 pm : link
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...



I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!



Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.



Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.


Youíre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.
RE: RE: RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14250357 Thunderstruck27 said:
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I'd imagine he can only get better



He has 6 yards passing. 6!

Thereís no doubt heís an excellent athlete but, heís not an NFL QB.



He's coming around


Heís 21. Just like Watson is 23. Does everyone recall Eliís first playoff game?
This has..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:14 pm : link
been a terrible coaching job on both sides, but SD's ineptitude is reminding me of Atlanta in the SB
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile, the Giants and their offense are sitting at home  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:14 pm : link
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for the 6th out of the last 7 seasons.



Thanks for the update. Which QB you rooting for next one? The ones whose teams ahead? The backup? The young one? So many choices...



I could careless who wins any of these games. Doesn't affect the Giants, so whoever wins, wins. I don't watch these games with anger and obvious bitterness like some do. Enjoy the day!



Ummmm yes you do. You just like to pretend and try to disguise your BS. Please stop already.



Pretty funny coming from you of all people, stalker.



Youíre a broken record. Reading your posts is liking watching Groundhog Day. Same shit everyday.


Again, ironic as hell.
Cockless Chris lol  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 4:14 pm : link
Not quite as fitting as your nickname but thanks!

RE: RE: RE: RE: Keep in mind we are talking about a rookie  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14250363 Boy Cord said:
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I'd imagine he can only get better



He has 6 yards passing. 6!

Thereís no doubt heís an excellent athlete but, heís not an NFL QB.



He's coming around



Heís 21. Just like Watson is 23. Does everyone recall Eliís first playoff game?


I think we all know the answer to that one.
RE: Cockless Chris lol  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14250366 Chris684 said:
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Not quite as fitting as your nickname but thanks!


1000% fitting.
RE: Jackson more yards than Rivers now?  
Deejboy : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14250348 BillKo said:
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LOL...

This is exactly why you don't bench Jackson. Even in a playoff game.

He's the future, you don't bench him and Harbaugh knows it.......

He should have been picked off twice that drive. Sometimes you get lucky.
It was clear as day holding  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
Reffed!
See ya Ravens and TRASH Jackson!!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
Losers!!!!!
What a stupid hold by the LT  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
Had that 1st down without it
Did not see a hold  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
there...
RE: See ya Ravens and TRASH Jackson!!!!  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14250372 Ssanders9816 said:
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Losers!!!!!


come again?
that was a flop  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
not a hold.
Chargers self destructing..  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
......
LOL wow!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
!!
total flop  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
he didn't hold anything.
RE: LOL...  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14250371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Reffed!


It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay
Not  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
a hold. Certainly seen far worse not called.
I dont understand throwing the ball there  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
…
Wow  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:17 pm : link
I cant believe they threw that ball
Ravens have zero TOs is going to screw them here.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
Like I said before when they scored, too little, too late.
Ok Dismal Dave  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
..
Cannot believe they threw that ball  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
thats moronic
Put  
Mr. Nickels : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
flacco in now
It looked..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
like the defender crumpled to the ground
RE: RE: See ya Ravens and TRASH Jackson!!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14250375 Jints in Carolina said:
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Losers!!!!!



come again?


You heard me, Jackson is trash. Chargers keeping them alive though...
Haha refs  
Everyone Relax : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
needing to leave their mark on the game
What in the HOLY FUCK  
B in ALB : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
Is that high pitched noise I'm hearing over the TV?
RE: Not  
My Ears Trophy : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14250381 AcidTest said:
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a hold. Certainly seen far worse not called.


How the hell wasnt that a hold?
RE: RE: LOL...  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14250380 bubba0825 said:
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Reffed!



It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay


What did he hold? Falling to the ground doesn't mean he held him. He didn't hold him at all
RE: total flop  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14250379 MookGiants said:
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he didn't hold anything.

He hooked him and had him by the facemask/helmet
RE: RE: LOL...  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14250380 bubba0825 said:
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Reffed!



It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay


Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...
You can see..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
how calls and non-calls impact a game. Seattle was ripped down twice on crucial plays much worse than that. No call. SD seals the game and it gets called
RE: RE: RE: LOL...  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14250395 section125 said:
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Reffed!



It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay



Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...


Yep wasnít holding at all
Not sure  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
why they didn't take the 5 yard delay of game, the 1 second is worth more than the 5 yards
RE: LOL...  
HomerJones45 : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14250371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Reffed!
yep. Bailed the Ravens out. Whether the guy held or not had no bearing on the play.
The Tucker miss looms large  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
.
That holding shouldn't have been called  
MetsAreBack : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
But what a stupid fucking play by Okung.

The level of stupidity we've seen from the Chargers the last 6 minutes is historically inept.
RE: Ok Dismal Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14250385 Chris684 said:
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Good one...? My nickname for is you is better. :)
RE: RE: total flop  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14250394 montanagiant said:
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he didn't hold anything.


He hooked him and had him by the facemask/helmet


Had him by the what? He didn't actually grab anything. The defender flopped.
The good news is that Rivers just elevated his YPA  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 4:20 pm : link
to an exact 5.0..😜😜
RE: RE: RE: LOL...  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14250395 section125 said:
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Reffed!



It was holding, cbs didnt show a good replay



Yes they did - ticky tack is being generous. Nice dive by the safety there...


Yep wasnít holding at all
Belichick is laughing his ass off watching LA  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
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Oh lamar  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
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It's  
AcidTest : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
all moot now. Great play.
Lmfao  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
Jesus
Iíll say it again SEE YA TRASH JACKSON AND RAVENS!!!!  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
!!!!
RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
WillVAB : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14250400 Go Terps said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?
Baltimore gets  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
Jacksoned
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!
No pocket awareness  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
by Jackson.

You can see some ability, but Lord I cannot see him as an NFL QB.
pass rush  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.
Game which started by fumbling  
Danny L : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
is finished by a fumble.
SD/NE could be fun.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
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RE: Well..  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14250416 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!


Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe
RE: Belichick is laughing his ass off watching LA  
Hsilwek92 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
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To be fair, heíd be doing the same thing if he got to face Baltimore with Jackson at QB.
RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
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Nope, it doesnít. Jackson fumbled...AGAIN
Ended up being a fun game  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
very entertaining 4th. Better team won, will be interesting to see this D against the Pats.
If rivers plays like that next week  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
The game will be over at halftime
I'm not a Jackson fan...  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:22 pm : link
....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.

They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........
RE: RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14250414 WillVAB said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?


Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?
RE: pass rush  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14250418 MookGiants said:
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.


QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.
Ingram had an LT like game  
montanagiant : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
Today
Ravens fortunate to be in it at the end  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
Multiple fumbles that bounced their way.
RE: Belichick is laughing his ass off watching LA  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
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Why would he be laughing his ass off...??

I think they have a decent chance to beat the Pats...
RE: RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
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Nope, it doesnít. Jackson fumbled...AGAIN


Which poster are you really?
RE: RE: RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14250427 Go Terps said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?



Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?


We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnít great but neither was the rest of the offense.
RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
B in ALB : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14250400 Go Terps said:
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Not as large as Jackson's horrific play for 50 minutes.
I'm no advocate for Jackson  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years
The Patriots are going to kill the Chargers  
Jints in Carolina : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
if the Chargers play like this again.
RE: I'm not a Jackson fan...  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14250426 BillKo said:
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.

They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........


Letís be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful
Over/Under  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
On number of fumbles Jackson has if he plays a full 16? I'd put it at 30 and take the over.
...  
christian : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
You've got to be able to stand in the pocket, let plays develop downfield, and make the throws.

Jackson is not there yet, which is completely understandable. But his career and success will be predicated on that, just as it is for every other QB.
I actually don't think Jackson did so bad  
santacruzom : 1/6/2019 4:24 pm : link
Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.
RE: I'm not a Jackson fan...  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14250426 BillKo said:
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.

They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........


He only did anything when the Chargers fell asleep.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:25 pm : link
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?



Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?



We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnít great but neither was the rest of the offense.


Sure as long as admit that 95% of his stats were garbage time stats and any drives of meaning he sucked balls.
Kind of funny to see the Eli fan club laughing at Jackson  
Greg from LI : 1/6/2019 4:25 pm : link
Considering the fact that Eli was absolute dogshit in his first playoff start, when he was two years older than Jackson and had a season and a half a starter under his belt.
RE: RE: pass rush  
bigbluescot : 1/6/2019 4:26 pm : link
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.



QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.


I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.
RE: I'm no advocate for Jackson  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14250436 Thunderstruck27 said:
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years


You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.
RE: Ingram had an LT like game  
micky : 1/6/2019 4:26 pm : link
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Today


Wash your mouth out!
RE: RE: I'm not a Jackson fan...  
santacruzom : 1/6/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14250439 Ssanders9816 said:
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.

They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........



Letís be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful


Or, as Gettleman and Shurmur might say, he showed what he TRULY is capable of in the second half and it's offensive of you to discredit it by saying it was garbage time.
RE: Kind of funny to see the Eli fan club laughing at Jackson  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14250446 Greg from LI said:
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Considering the fact that Eli was absolute dogshit in his first playoff start, when he was two years older than Jackson and had a season and a half a starter under his belt.


Itís kind of funny to people who are miserable in real life...

Hey what do you know!!!
RE: I actually don't think Jackson did so bad  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14250443 santacruzom said:
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Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.


Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.

I feel for him, but he was dreadful.
Rivers  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:27 pm : link
didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.

He also protected the ball.

Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.

Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.

Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.
RE: The Patriots are going to kill the Chargers  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14250437 Jints in Carolina said:
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if the Chargers play like this again.


Play like what? If the Chargers defense plays like this, they'll win next week too.
RE: RE: RE: pass rush  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:28 pm : link
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.



QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.



I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.


Huh? What??? Oh great he didnít turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.

He didnít play well. He didnít hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.
RE: RE: I'm no advocate for Jackson  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/6/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14250448 widmerseyebrow said:
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years



You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.


I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?
That's a good point  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:29 pm : link
By the Giants' standards, the Ravens practically won the game.
RE: Rivers  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14250454 MookGiants said:
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.

He also protected the ball.

Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.

Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.

Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.


Lol. Your crusade is sad now.
RE: RE: I actually don't think Jackson did so bad  
Jay on the Island : 1/6/2019 4:30 pm : link
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Youngest QB to ever start a playoff game and he managed to hang in and give them a chance. He has a lot of improvement to make, but I wouldn't bet against him getting better.



Did you watch all 4 quarters? Not so bad? 3 fumbles? 1n Int and lucky it wasn't two more.

I feel for him, but he was dreadful.

I stopped watching ESPN years ago but I already know what's going to be said. Stephen A Smith will lead the way in praising Lamar Jackson for nearly coming back with a strong game even though that's far from the truth. They will continue to hype him up as if he had a monster game.
RE: Rivers  
bigbluescot : 1/6/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14250454 MookGiants said:
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.

He also protected the ball.

Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.

Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.

Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.


I do think if they can properly sort out the Oline and the pass rush (which will still take an unbelievably epic FA and draft period) you could potentially do what Dallas has done which is basically make the supporting cast so good that so-so QB play is acceptable.
RE: RE: Rivers  
micky : 1/6/2019 4:30 pm : link
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.

He also protected the ball.

Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.

Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.

Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.



Lol. Your crusade is sad now.


Why...explain
RE: RE: RE: I'm no advocate for Jackson  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:31 pm : link
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years



You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.



I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?


endconvo.
Per Hensley, ESPN:  
Big Blue '56 : 1/6/2019 4:31 pm : link
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Jackson was sacked six times today, the most by a rookie quarterback in a game in postseason history.

RE: That's a good point  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:31 pm : link
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By the Giants' standards, the Ravens practically won the game.


Gettleman talking about how competitive they were in games was absurd. If that's evidence of this team heading in the right direction then the Giants are even more screwed than originally thought.

The o-line needs to be fixed but fixing the pass rush and QB situation is much more important at this point.
So all we need is a QB  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:31 pm : link
To throw 4 yard passes. Hope the defense drops and INT or two. Have a defense that just destroyed the other teams QB and have a kicker makes 5 FGs... and we are set.

Yeah... QB is a huge problem for us.... lol
RE: RE: RE: I'm no advocate for Jackson  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:31 pm : link
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But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years



You act like you haven't seen Eli play in a playoff game before.



I actually seen Eli play like complete dogshit in his first playoff game. Getting shutout and throwing 3 picks. He got better right?


Eli was smart enough to learn and adapt. Mostly because he didnít score a 13 on his Wonderlic like Jackson. Jackson is garbage, not an NFL potential QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: pass rush  
bigbluescot : 1/6/2019 4:32 pm : link
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and QB play. Still the biggest two keys to winning in this league. That's precisely why the Giants are no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year because they haven't filled either one of those holes at all.



QB play had NOTHING to do with this game. You kidding me? They both stunk.



I don't think Rivers stunk as much as they had a very obvious game plan to run, run, run mainly because the Ravens D gave Rivers fits in the previous game. They basically asked him to do very little, what they asked him to do (make the occasional 3rd down and don't turn the ball over) he did reasonably well.



Huh? What??? Oh great he didnít turn it over. Except for a big dropped INT. And red zone failures and wasted field position.

He didnít play well. He didnít hurt them. But his defense and kicker were the stars of the game.


Christ, if that's your fucking criteria you should be fucking slating Eli on a weekly basis.
RE: RE: Well..  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/6/2019 4:35 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe


still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot
After 3 games  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:35 pm : link
Defense have dominated, run games were huge in the first two games..... and we are worried about our QB.

Shit... 50 QBs could have done what rivers did today. Haha
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: pass rush  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14250470 bigbluescot said:
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Christ, if that's your fucking criteria you should be fucking slating Eli on a weekly basis.


When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?
Not sure what crusade  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:36 pm : link
I'm on.

You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.

Saquon Barkley highlight videos don't change the fact that this team is no closer to competing for titles than they were at this time last year.

So-so QB play isn't going to win titles. The Cowboys are still playing but I want a better QB than Dak.

The future of the Giants defense is probably in worse shape than any team in the league. Add in that the QB situation has zero future right now and I dont know how anyone thinks this team is headed in the right direction. I dont think this is a year to get a QB so I hope they get a pass rusher in round 1.

I dont see any way this team competes next year. I hope ownership and the front office realizes that and doesn't do anything short sighted. Get a pass rusher, get rid of the dead weight, and get a QB next year.
RE: RE: I'm not a Jackson fan...  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14250439 Ssanders9816 said:
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....but Harbaugh stuck with him and he almost brought them back.

They lost this game, but it might serve them well going forward next year..........



Letís be honest, it was pretty much garbage time and the Chargers dropped two easy INTs. He was awful


I know you hate the guy, and that's fine. I don't entirely disagree, but we don't know how much improvement he can make.

Having said that, garbage time or not, Jackson is going to feel a lot better about what he did in the 4th quarter versus being benched for a guy that won't even be on the team next year...........
RE: RE: RE: Well..  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:37 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot


Wow letís pick a random game. Touchť. You got me.
RE: RE: RE: Well..  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:37 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot


The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.
Anyone  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:38 pm : link
who isn't worried about our QB situation has no idea what the hell they're watching.

Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.
RE: After 3 games  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14250473 dep026 said:
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Defense have dominated, run games were huge in the first two games..... and we are worried about our QB.

Shit... 50 QBs could have done what rivers did today. Haha


Bingo, itís ALWAYS been about a good OL and DL. Just like in our Championnship Years.
RE: Anyone  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14250481 MookGiants said:
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who isn't worried about our QB situation has no idea what the hell they're watching.

Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.


Youíre 100% wrong and clearly arenít the one watching .
Eli  
BigBlueCane : 1/6/2019 4:38 pm : link
was and is a lot smarter then Lamar will ever be.

New England is going to stomp the Chargers again. Everyone feels it coming. Again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Well..  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/6/2019 4:38 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot



The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.



Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc
You don't need to pick a random game  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:39 pm : link
Eli has not been nearly good enough in a long time. Once in every blue moon he plays well. This team has a lot of issues with it, but Eli's regression last few seasons is the 1A and 1B is lack of pass rush.
Mook  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:39 pm : link
Cause it doesnít matter who is behind center. Our defense is atrocious. Our OL isnít much better.

They should use all their resources in those 2 areas first instead of just wasting capital in a QB who may or may not be good.

If rivers performance can win a playoff game today... then you can throw anyone back there.
RE: Not sure what crusade  
BillKo : 1/6/2019 4:39 pm : link
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I'm on.

You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.


Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.

They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Well..  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:40 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot



The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.




Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc


I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youíre full of shit.
RE: RE: Not sure what crusade  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:40 pm : link
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I'm on.

You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.



Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.

They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.


After one year it ain't looking good.
RE: Anyone  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14250481 MookGiants said:
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who isn't worried about our QB situation has no idea what the hell they're watching.

Eli against the Chargers or Ravens defense would be a total train wreck.


And if you fix the line, then you can stand in against those defenses.
The offensive line must be fixed, period. Even just to open holes for Barkley.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure what crusade  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:41 pm : link
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I'm on.

You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.



Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.

They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.




After one year it ain't looking good.


Just like for Jackson...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Well..  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/6/2019 4:41 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot



The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.




Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc



I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youíre full of shit.



Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.
Jackson has one good quarter down 23-3 in the 4tgh  
BestFeature : 1/6/2019 4:42 pm : link
and of course the CBS guys say that's proof he can pass. They need to further the narrative they've had all season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Well..  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:43 pm : link
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the legend will have to wait for a day when he gets at least 200 yards passing!



Maybe he will get it with 2 quarters of garbage time stats...

Hehehe



still better than Eli against the titans. But that was the oline, coaching/everyone sbut elis fault I forgot



The bad games are always everyone elses' fault.




Honestly I was an Eli apologist until the second half of this season. Papa, Banks, Dep, etc. The few good games its "look Eli still has it!" The bad games its radio silence or the play calling, o line, etc



I never once said Eli is the future or banged the drum after the wins. If you can prove I Did. Please let me see it. Cause right now. Youíre full of shit.




Or your embarrassing thread after another one of eli's clunkers this year calling everyone meanies/bad fans for blaming poor eli. He's done. Toast.


Ned, you are now a 'bad fan.'

Yep. 'Bad fans' care about the entire team instead of just one guy. Hilarious logic.
Lol Ned  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:43 pm : link
So when called out to prove something. You name call.

Thumbs up buddy!!!
They took over in 2018  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:43 pm : link
and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.

They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.

Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.

I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB
And we do have shitty fans  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:44 pm : link
Some interesting ones too.

So me saying Eli isnít the future continuously means what now? Iím embarrassing myself. Great job buddy!!
the offensive  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:45 pm : link
line would look a lot better if Eli could actually move. If you get anywhere near him, he goes down or worse fumbles.

The offensive line isn't good, but it's a lot less of an issue than the defensive line is.

RE: They took over in 2018  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14250498 MookGiants said:
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and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.

They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.

Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.

I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB


They are 150% in a better position now than they were this time last year. Seriosuly, are you trolling ?
Letís get away from this Eli argument  
cosmicj : 1/6/2019 4:46 pm : link
This Ravens Chargers game was one of the most interesting strategically in recent years, with Harbaugh taking the Jackson option scheme into a contest against a high quality defense.

Did the Ravens difficulties in the first 3 quarters prove anything? I came out of it skeptical the idea would work in the NFL playoffs, despite the Ravensí miscues, which muddied the pool and made it difficult to attribute the lack of success to the scheme.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not sure what crusade  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 4:46 pm : link
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I'm on.

You're ok with the garbage we've seen from the Giants since Hurricane Sandy? i'm certainly not.



Mook - Gettleman and Shurmur don't care what has happened since 2012.

They took over in 2018........they are one year in and need a chance to show what they can do.




After one year it ain't looking good.



Just like for Jackson...


Seriously which dupe are you? I'm getting some Keith or BigBlueShock vibes, but it could be any of the four or five dickheads that follows me around.
RE: They took over in 2018  
section125 : 1/6/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14250498 MookGiants said:
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and still have gaping holes at the two most important positions on the field.

They haven't gone backward since taking over, but they are not any closer to competing for a title than they were at this time last year.

Saquon Barkley is a terrific player, but him having an amazing season and the team still being absolutely awful is more evidence of the impact a running back actually has on a teams win/loss record.

I want to compete for titles. Youtube highlight videos mean nothing to me. I dont think they are building this team properly. The d-line might be the worst in the entire sport and there is no future currently at QB


Yes, they did not try to improve the offensive line.
Lamar Jackson can move really well...  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:47 pm : link
How did that work out today?
8 games into the season  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:47 pm : link
this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.
Yea what is Barkley good for except YouTube videos!?  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 4:48 pm : link
Some of you are fucking morons.

I confess that sometimes I just want Eli to retire  
bluepepper : 1/6/2019 4:49 pm : link
so we can discuss other QB's around the league without it degenerating into a referendum on Eli.
RE: 8 games into the season  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14250509 MookGiants said:
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this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.


You are insufferably stupid.
RE: RE: 8 games into the season  
micky : 1/6/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14250513 Ssanders9816 said:
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In comment 14250509 MookGiants said:


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this teams season was over. They won a few meaningless games. And then the second the door was open a hair to rescue the season, they completely pissed down their legs in Philadelphia. Including Eli with a mind numbing INT before half that started the total collapse.



You are insufferably stupid.


Why? Because he's stating facts?
so you're saying  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:50 pm : link
Eli's inability to move whatsoever and going down immediately when anyone gets near him doesn't have a negative impact on the offensive line because Lamar Jackson had a poor game today against a great pass rush?

Eli is finished being a good QB in this league. The Giants should make him take a significant paycut or tell him to hit the road. I dont care if they have a QB that isnt as good as Eli next year. They're going no where with him anyways. So if he doesnt want to take a paycut then release him. Use that money on a player who will actually be a part of the team when they have a chance to be good again.

If they extend him and impact the cap on future years then they are out of their minds. What has Eli done to deserve an extension right now? Paycut or leave. Thanks for the terrific career but its over without a paycut.
The giants were  
crick n NC : 1/6/2019 4:50 pm : link
Bad in a lot of areas. I'm not sure what proof there is that Barkley doesn't impact the team's wins. I wonder how many games they win without Barkley. He makes the giants better period. But he is a component on a team that needs quite a few more components to work together
RE: I confess that sometimes I just want Eli to retire  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14250512 bluepepper said:
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so we can discuss other QB's around the league without it degenerating into a referendum on Eli.


You canít. Look at this thread. If you say something bad about Lamar... it instantly turned into Eliís first game. Or if you point out the averageness of Rivers game... we had a poster being up the titans game in reference to Eli. Itís really comical.

Shit we even had the game changing pick by Eli in the Eagles game that has happened all the time this year with no effect on the game .... except for Eliís. Lol.
RE: I confess that sometimes I just want Eli to retire  
cosmicj : 1/6/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14250512 bluepepper said:
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so we can discuss other QB's around the league without it degenerating into a referendum on Eli.
. Haha, but actually I think we need to get rid of Eli to start properly evaluating the Giants QB and prospects coming out of the NCAA. A mental cloud hangs over the franchise.
"Insufferable"  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 4:52 pm : link
A BBI-staple when you don't like what you are hearing...
Mook  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:53 pm : link
His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... itís going to be ok. Trust me.
Or people come into these game threads  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:53 pm : link
looking to bash the first mistake a QB makes every single week thinking it somehow proves something about Eli, when it doesn't.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14250522 dep026 said:
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His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... itís going to be ok. Trust me.


What's going to be ok?

The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.

Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team
RE: Or people come into these game threads  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14250523 Dave in Hoboken said:
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looking to bash the first mistake a QB makes every single week thinking it somehow proves something about Eli, when it doesn't.


The only bashing was mocking posters who praised him all week. He was horrible and even the commentators said he needed to be replaced.

But yet the usuals came in here to make it about Eli. Itís really sad.
8-8  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 4:57 pm : link
is this teams ceiling next year. And that would take a lot of breaks.

The front office needs to be realistic about what this team is going to be next year. If they're delusional and make win now moves it will make the rebuild longer than it needs to be.

Use this draft to build the defense which has holes everywhere and the offensive line. Suck next year and get a QB. That's going in the right direction.

RE: RE: Mook  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14250524 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14250522 dep026 said:


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His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... itís going to be ok. Trust me.



What's going to be ok?

The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.

Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team


Like who? You can continue to build the team and when his contract expires... you can better access where to go from there.
RE: RE: Or people come into these game threads  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14250526 dep026 said:
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In comment 14250523 Dave in Hoboken said:


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looking to bash the first mistake a QB makes every single week thinking it somehow proves something about Eli, when it doesn't.



The only bashing was mocking posters who praised him all week. He was horrible and even the commentators said he needed to be replaced.

But yet the usuals came in here to make it about Eli. Itís really sad.


Even during regular season threads that have nothing to do with the Giants. If you give another QB a compliment, some folks will come into the thread and question why your complimenting that QB.

Like, heaven forbid another player on another team gets a compliment on here, and if it's another QB? The insecurity REALLY kicks in.

Happens every week. Sad.
This somehow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 4:58 pm : link
turned into a bash Eli thread. Not surprising!

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I'm no advocate for Jackson
Thunderstruck27 : 4:24 pm : link : reply
But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years


And I'm not sure Eli ever played a game with less than 25 yards passing going into a 4th quarter, let alone doing it in a playoff game.

If anyone watched that game and thinks there is a viable future for Jackson as a QB, I don't really know what to tell you. Sadly, it wasn't even an outlier for his passing. I think he averaged 180 yards passing this year.
I saw plenty of people  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 4:59 pm : link
Praising luck yesterday. Even Dak got some kudos.

The two QBs were not good today. Itís ok to say that too.
RE: RE: RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14250530 dep026 said:
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In comment 14250522 dep026 said:


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His contract ends next year. If we take defense and OL in the draft... itís going to be ok. Trust me.



What's going to be ok?

The Giants certainly aren't going to be ok next year.

Why keep him at his cap number when you can use that money on a player that has a future with the team



Like who? You can continue to build the team and when his contract expires... you can better access where to go from there.


They don't need to use it on a QB. They can use that money on any number of holes they have elsewhere on the team. There are gigantic holes nearly everywhere.

They will suck with or without Eli Manning next year. I'd rather suck without him if he's going to be taking up 20+ million of the cap
RE: I saw plenty of people  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14250533 dep026 said:
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Praising luck yesterday. Even Dak got some kudos.

The two QBs were not good today. Itís ok to say that too.


Of course it is. But if you happen to say you like one of them after not liking them for years, I got a few posts for that exact thing. I didn't even say Rivers was good today. Just that I used to dislike him, and now I don't. And I still caught some hell for that innocuous post.
Just because  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:02 pm : link
Rivers didn't put up eye popping stats doesn't mean he wasn't good.

Eli against that pass rush would have turned it over multiple times.

Rivers played a good game for what they needed him to do today.

Jackson played poorly, Rivers did not.
Lol  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:05 pm : link
Ok...
the Ravens  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:08 pm : link
defense was one of the, if not the best in the league this year. He didn't turn the ball over once. Mike Williams had a killer drop on a perfect pass that halted a drive too. Another drive was halted by a fumble.

If he played poorly today, then you honestly have no idea what you're watching. If that was playing poorly, what would you call some of Eli's games in the last 3 years?
Magical  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:11 pm : link
....
RE: This somehow..  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14250532 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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turned into a bash Eli thread. Not surprising!



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I'm no advocate for Jackson
Thunderstruck27 : 4:24 pm : link : reply
But you guys act like you haven't seen Eli play a game in the last 7 years


And I'm not sure Eli ever played a game with less than 25 yards passing going into a 4th quarter



it only seems that way...
Mook telling us how many wins weíll have next year  
Chris684 : 1/6/2019 5:13 pm : link
and also how many picks Eli would have thrown had he faced Baltimore today both with absolute certainty.

LOLZ

RE: RE: Rivers  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14250461 dep026 said:
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didn't play great because Baltimore has a terrific pass rush, and the weather conditions.

He also protected the ball.

Anyone who believes this team is on the right path is delusional. They'll be on the right path when they start filling the two gigantic holes at QB and pass rushers. This year looks like a good one to get a pass rusher.

Rivers managed that game very well. Zero turnovers against a terrific defense on the road.

Beckham and Barkley can stand on their heads every game, but it's not going to matter unless the real problems on this team get addressed.



Lol. Your crusade is sad now.

Itís absolutely pathetic man. Mook comes on every thread to regurgitate the same thing over and over and over and over again. Iím honestly curious as to what purpose it serves? Does he think if he bitches and complains about not having a ďfranchise QBĒ and ďpremium positionĒ players enough that itís going to speed up the process?

We get it Mook. You wanted Darnold or Chubb. Now can you shut the hell up about it? Iím pretty sure everyone is aware of your stance, if youíre worried thereís anyoneís left that doesnít.
It's actually quite sad to see how far Mook  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 5:16 pm : link
has fallen as a poster...
Not defending the tripe of the past 7 years...  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 5:18 pm : link
makes one the opposite of 'fallen as a poster.'
Lay off those types of comments  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:19 pm : link
You may not like what he posts, but then debate him.

Otherwise shut the hell up.

hmm  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:20 pm : link
so the same people can come on here over and over and tell us how Jackson isnt any good or how Eli isn't the problem and they can continue to do that, but if you tell them they are wrong repeatedly you're wrong.

Same people thought this team would be good this season. They continue to believe this team is heading in the right direction.

Why is it ok to repeat the same stance 100000 times if you're drinking the Giants kool aid but not if you have a problem with the direction of this franchise.

When the GM of this team has a press conference and thinks this team is headed in the right direction its a problem. This team is stuck in neutral. The sooner they realize it, the better. Part of the problem is the fans. John Mara absolutely pays attention to the fan base. If he didn't he wouldn't have totally botched the way the Eli situation was handled after he was benched last year. He may not let it influence decision making often, but he definitely did last year and it hurt the direction of the franchise.
These play calls  
bubba0825 : 1/6/2019 5:20 pm : link
By Chicago are horrific
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: pass rush  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/6/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14250475 dep026 said:
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When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?


The NFC championship vs 49ers! Fumbled punt return J. Williams ring a bell?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: pass rush  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14250592 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14250475 dep026 said:


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When did our defense and special teams cArry us to a playoff win?



The NFC championship vs 49ers! Fumbled punt return J. Williams ring a bell?


That carried us to a victory?

Hmmm.... didnt know that!
I couldn't give a shit  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:23 pm : link
what anyone on here thinks of me as a poster.

Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.

You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.

No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.

I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.

I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year
lol  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:26 pm : link
what shit have I repeated?

1. I wanted Darnold last year.
2. I am ok if they move on this year (if done smartly.)
3. I dont want Eli extended.

Shit....whats being thrown into the air when we have nothing else to talk about.
and I'm wrong plenty  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:30 pm : link
on here. All of us are.

Everyone on here loves to throw it in the face of people who didn't want Barkley that this season proves that they were wrong, but when you come and defend that position and don't have your pom poms out, you have fallen as a poster.

I hate the direction of this franchise. I have no idea how anyone on this board doesn't. Do you guys enjoy watching garbage football?
Odd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 5:32 pm : link
isn't this exactly what you've done since the draft??

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You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.


You've posted ad nauseum about not taking a QB. Even after you've watched Barkley play.

And because we didn't pick a QB, you keep saying we don't have a plan and are going to suck for years to come.

Yet if we had drafted a QB, we'd likely have been worse this year and no more reason for optimism.

Worse than posting the same thing over and over again, you post it as if you have been proven correct.
RE: I couldn't give a shit  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14250597 MookGiants said:
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what anyone on here thinks of me as a poster.

Because I'm not drinking the kool aid, people don't like it.

You can repeat the same shit every single day on here like dep does, but when you come on here and say they're wrong, you have fallen as a poster.

No one ever wants to actually debate what I say. Ever. Because they rarely have any legitimate argument.

I'm sick of the garbage this franchise has become. It needs to end. The Giants have given none of us a reason to be optimistic for next year.

I really hope the front office and ownership realizes that this team isnt going anywhere next year and looks ahead. The organization will be far better off if they are realistic about what this team can be next year


I'm worn out debating the same bullshit...

If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...

If you have watched the games this weekend it's pretty clear it's about running the ball, stopping the run and getting to the passer...sound familiar..??

You're unbearable because in your eyes the GM and coach should be fired, the QB should be cut and there's no hope ok we get it..
Being worse this year because of a different strategy  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:36 pm : link
would have been fine to extent promise was seen...
Who gives a flying fuck  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:37 pm : link
if they would have been worse this year without Barkley. Sometimes thats actually a good thing.

Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.

Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.

I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.

When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.

Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Tucker miss looms large  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14250445 dep026 said:
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Is there anyone else you want to blame besides Jackson?



Where have I avoided blaming Jackson?



We can blame the oline right? Jackson wasnít great but neither was the rest of the offense.



Sure as long as admit that 95% of his stats were garbage time stats and any drives of meaning he sucked balls.


Soon as you admit the same about Eli
the offense  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:41 pm : link
certainly couldn't get any worse. They improved when there was no pressure on them whatsoever, and the second there was pressure on them, they completely pissed down their legs and blew the Eagles game.

This team has been rotten for a long time now. What they did after their season was over by Halloween doesn't excite me. They won 5 games and what, 3 of the 5 were against backup QB's.

I'd have been more optimistic if they were 2-14 and had a better pick. They won a few meaningless games. The defense is a total train wreck.
Why shouldnt we be optimistic.  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:43 pm : link
Cause we dont have a QB on the roster that may or may not be good for 10 years?

Or maybe people are because we are rebuilding and have addressed some needs, will address some more in the offseason, etc....

No one, I mean no one is thinking we are SB contenders next year. We have to overcome 7 years of putrid drafting of our prior regime. Rome wasnt built in a day.

If you didnt get excited aboout seeing SB be a stud. EE play well at the end of the year, BJ Hill shine this year. Jenkins being a top flight corner, Hernandez looking like a 10 year+ starters....

Then I cant help you.
ajr....  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:44 pm : link
ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.

If you cant, you leave? Deal?
Agreed  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:44 pm : link
you don't help...
Why would..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 5:45 pm : link
there be more optimism with an unknown QB vs. a known stud RB??

For all we will find out, not a single QB drafted last year will end up being a franchise QB. We can already confidently say that Barkley is a generational player.

All things remaining equal, your optimism is based on nothing more than hope, which should at least give you enough pause not to post the same fucking bullshit over and over again.

You can build a team by getting a RB before a QB. In fact, there are a couple teams right now that have done that and are doing quite well.
RE: Agreed  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14250673 Jimmy Googs said:
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you don't help...


I inspire.
I'm sure the Giants have high hopes for next year  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 5:45 pm : link
Maybe Shurmur will finally get to 6 wins in a season, and maybe we'll lose the other 10 by only one possession.
Bucs  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:45 pm : link
would have been a loss if they started Winston instead of Fitz. 49ers had their 3rd string QB playing. Bears without Trubisky. Redskins with a guy off the street.

2 wins against 3rd string qb's (49ers and Redskins) Another against a backup. And another against the Bucs who threw away the game by starting Fitz. Winston shredded the defense when he came in.

That's the sticking point.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2019 5:46 pm : link
There isn't much to be happy about right now. And no, a RB doesn't change that. Sorry.
RE: Who gives a flying fuck  
section125 : 1/6/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14250643 MookGiants said:
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if they would have been worse this year without Barkley. Sometimes thats actually a good thing.

Does the win against the Bears make you more optimistic for next year? I'd rather have the higher pick right now.

Let's hear why we should be optimistic next year about this team. If they had a potential franchise QB, there would be a reason to be optimistic.

I'd certainly rather be the Jets right now than I would the Giants. Maybe Darnold busts, but we know for sure as currently constructed the Giants have zero future at QB.

When that changes and pass rush changes I'll feel better about the direction this team is going in.

Does anyone on here actually believe the Giants can compete next year?


You do not need a franchise quarterback to win anymore.

And I think they can compete (loose term) if they fix the oline and get something that resembles a defense. Yes they can compete. But not for much.
RE: RE: I couldn't give a shit  
micky : 1/6/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14250630 JCin332 said:
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I'm worn out debating the same bullshit...

If you cant see the offense improved in the 2nd half than I don't know what to tell you...


How much is "fools gold" ...mybe some improvement but not extent of certainty...tenn game that was a test came up nil...in fact shutout.

When this offense or team stepped up vs better teams..it mostly shit the bed..it wasnt just 1 unit..it was all phases..breakdowns left and right and mistakes.
To not see through the forest and see theres plenty issues that continue to make this team stagnant..not improving.
Nice pic of that miserable scumbag  
B in ALB : 1/6/2019 5:47 pm : link
Buddy Ryan.
RE: RE: Agreed  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14250676 dep026 said:
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you don't help...



I inspire.


more like misfire...
RE: I'm sure the Giants have high hopes for next year  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14250678 Go Terps said:
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Maybe Shurmur will finally get to 6 wins in a season, and maybe we'll lose the other 10 by only one possession.


If only we had Jackson to build around!!!
Known stud  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:47 pm : link
RB had a terrific year and the team finished 5-11.

Darnold was up and down this year, but the talent is there. Sure he could bust, but there's also a good chance he takes a big step forward this year.

We know the Giants currently have nothing at QB for the future. They dont even have a lottery ticket.
RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14250687 Jimmy Googs said:
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more like misfire...


Like one of Eli's passes!!!!!
RE: ajr....  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14250671 dep026 said:
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ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.

If you cant, you leave? Deal?


Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?
The teams  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:49 pm : link
that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.
RE: RE: ajr....  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14250691 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14250671 dep026 said:


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ill do you a favor.... you show me all the garbage time stats Eli had this year (yards and TDs) and it comes out to 95% of Eli's stats..... Ill leave the forum.

If you cant, you leave? Deal?



Why would we compare one game of stats for Jackson and a whole season for Eli?


I didnt. You did. By saying like eli did. So go ahead and prove it.
As bad as the giants situation is at qb  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:50 pm : link
Is there any team in the league that is in worse shape defensively going forward than the Giants? Maybe the Raiders, but at least they have a shit ton of draft picks. I dont know if anyone else is even in the discussion.
RE: Known stud  
micky : 1/6/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14250689 MookGiants said:
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RB had a terrific year and the team finished 5-11.

Darnold was up and down this year, but the talent is there. Sure he could bust, but there's also a good chance he takes a big step forward this year.

We know the Giants currently have nothing at QB for the future. They dont even have a lottery ticket.


Its a qb driven league

Having an all world rb is great and all. It reminds me of the old lions with barry sanders. How many championships did they win? Their qbs then were the mediocre to worse qbs ie eric hipple etc etc..this day to go far..is to have that qb..and the 2 lines in the trenches..rest you can work with
I am starting to want Eli off the team,  
DonQuixote : 1/6/2019 5:51 pm : link
just to change the inane discussions about him on this site.

RE: The teams  
Toth029 : 1/6/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14250692 MookGiants said:
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that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.

Or have had excellent defenses. Baltimore, Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh. Denver and Seattle had four or five seasons of elite defenses. Steelers had ten years of elite defenses. They haven't gone back since they've lost it.
Yes, you can build a team with RB before finding a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:52 pm : link
or you can keep kicking the can down the road and building nothing...
RE: As bad as the giants situation is at qb  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14250697 MookGiants said:
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Is there any team in the league that is in worse shape defensively going forward than the Giants? Maybe the Raiders, but at least they have a shit ton of draft picks. I dont know if anyone else is even in the discussion.


So you agree forget the QB position and build the defense. And lets not do this by Free agency please. We spent 200 million just a few years ago with diminishing returns.
If the Browns drafted  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:53 pm : link
Barkley #1 and a non QB #4 do you think they would be nearly as optimistic about their future that they are now with Baker?

When you have the QB, it's easy to see a future. When you don't, it makes it much harder. No matter how good your RB is.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14250690 dep026 said:
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more like misfire...



Like one of Eli's passes!!!!!


You always have to make this about Eli !

:-)
Ironically..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 5:54 pm : link
some of the people who exaggerated the wind strength today seemingly never cared that the Tennessee game was played in a cold, driving rain storm. You'd swear it was ideal conditions for a QB to throw in.

But consistency isn't really a strong suit. I saw that good QB's don't miss the playoffs 6 out of 7 years and yet Rivers is being talked about as being an MVP candidate and he actually went 7 out of 8 years.

Now, the Giants supposedly don't have a QB, or a lottery ticket, whatever the fuck that means, but if we went 5-11 with Barkley we can apparently do it without him too.

If Darnold busts, the Jets are screwed and you are going to have to wait 3 to 4 years to see if that happens. I really don't see how that would give me more optimism.
RE: The teams  
section125 : 1/6/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14250692 MookGiants said:
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that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.


Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?

Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.

I'm not sure there are franchise QBs anymore.
I also remember  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:54 pm : link
all the QBs drafted by cleveland before him.

Think the Titans are stoked with Mariota? Bucs with Winston? And remember Cams draft class? All those teams were stoek by those shit QBs too.
I would be more optimistic  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:55 pm : link
about the Giants future if they drafted Chubb instead of Barkley.

I don't know how you win with no pass rush and no QB. It's pretty easy to find a path to winning without a stud RB. We've only seen it basically every year.
And the..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 5:55 pm : link
teams that are consistently great is a small list:

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The teams
MookGiants : 5:49 pm : link : reply
that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.


If it hasn't changed at all, you might need to explain how so many of the highest paid QB's missed the playoffs this year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14250707 Jimmy Googs said:
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:-)


I knew I could make you laugh!
I dont know  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:56 pm : link
what to tell someone who doesn't believe there are franchise QBs anymore.

Are we watching the same sport? Tom Brady is in the AFC title game seemingly every year. Drew Brees is torching the league at his age.

And you don't think there are franchise QBs anymore? Really?
RE: RE: The teams  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14250711 section125 said:
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In comment 14250692 MookGiants said:


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that are consistently great are the ones who have a franchise QB. That hasnt changed at all.



Well besides New England, who is consistent? Pittsburgh? New Orleans? Does Wilson count because he doesn't fit the mold. San Diego/LA - not consistent, though. Atlanta?

Who is a franchise QB today? Mahomes? Goff? One year wonders.

I'm not sure there are franchise QBs anymore.


Russell Wilson isnít a franchise QB? The Seahawks arenít consistent?
name one team  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 5:58 pm : link
in the last decade that has been consistently great without a franchise QB.

I'll wait.

The QB's of the 4 teams with byes this year are Brady, Mahomes, Brees, and Goff.

All franchise level QBs.
RE: I dont know  
section125 : 1/6/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14250719 MookGiants said:
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what to tell someone who doesn't believe there are franchise QBs anymore.

Are we watching the same sport? Tom Brady is in the AFC title game seemingly every year. Drew Brees is torching the league at his age.

And you don't think there are franchise QBs anymore? Really?


You named two. Keep going. Wilson, does he fit the mold?
And the 4 QBs last year  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 5:59 pm : link
in the conference finals were...

Bortles
Mariota
Foles
Brady

3 of them are NOT franchise QBs.
As bad as Jackson played  
morrison40 : 1/6/2019 6:01 pm : link
Baltimore still had a 7 pt chance to win with 45 sec left. Why ? DEFENSE gave up mostly FG not TD. Giants Defense has a long way to go.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14250718 dep026 said:
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:-)



I knew I could make you laugh!


I laugh all the time on this site...its easy
more evidence  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 6:02 pm : link
that to have consistency you need a franchise QB.

The Jaguars didn't have that and fell off of a cliff this year. Tennessee ditto. Eagles were 9-7.

The teams that are consistently competing for titles are the ones that have franchise QB's.
I think you can really question not picking Nelson..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 6:04 pm : link
it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyíd be set at guard for the next ten years.

I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.

Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been ďyears awayĒ since 2013. Enough is enough.
RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..  
section125 : 1/6/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14250769 Sean said:
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it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyíd be set at guard for the next ten years.

I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.

Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been ďyears awayĒ since 2013. Enough is enough.


If they took Nelson, they would not have taken Hernandez. And somebody may have taken him anyway before the Giants got to 34.
Giants went 3-13 without Barkley  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 6:07 pm : link
and we went 5-12 with both him and OBJ (for most of season).

So what the hell was your point chucklehead?
5-12  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 6:10 pm : link
Shit... I missed that game haha
I'd like to see a list of franchise QB's who win  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 6:11 pm : link
without a good OL and a good defense...

RE: 5-12  
micky : 1/6/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14250789 dep026 said:
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Shit... I missed that game haha


That extra loss was on eli
Whoops meant 5-11  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 6:11 pm : link
That second Eagle was worth 2 losses to me personally...

RE: more evidence  
section125 : 1/6/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14250752 MookGiants said:
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that to have consistency you need a franchise QB.

The Jaguars didn't have that and fell off of a cliff this year. Tennessee ditto. Eagles were 9-7.

The teams that are consistently competing for titles are the ones that have franchise QB's.


Yet, they sucked until the non-franchise Super Bowl MVP backup took over.

Like it or not Mariota, Winston, Smith, Rivers, Eli, Luck are also "franchise" QBs - all 1st round QBs.
RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..  
Go Terps : 1/6/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14250769 Sean said:
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it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyíd be set at guard for the next ten years.

I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.

Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been ďyears awayĒ since 2013. Enough is enough.


There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.

There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.
RE: RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14250801 Go Terps said:
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it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyíd be set at guard for the next ten years.

I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.

Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been ďyears awayĒ since 2013. Enough is enough.



There's also passing on Chubb. Pairing him with Hill or another young pass rusher would have been a wiser course than what we actually did.

There were three or four possible approaches that would have been better.


I tend to agree. Love Barkley but my conviction was if you don't like a QB then get the hell out of that #2 spot...
Because you need all 3 to win consistently...  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 6:14 pm : link
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RE: I think you can really question not picking Nelson..  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14250769 Sean said:
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it would have been a bold strategy going Nelson & Hernandez in the first 2 rounds. I think the Giants would have been a better team had they done this & theyíd be set at guard for the next ten years.

I think this also aligns more with keeping Eli which was the plan.

Regardless, Barkley is a great talent & they need to figure out a way to win with him. This team has been ďyears awayĒ since 2013. Enough is enough.


We can't really hypothesize this way. If we had taken Nelson instead, it would have created a domino effect that changed the way the rest of the draft played out. It would mean Barkley was still on the board, so someone within the next few picks would have passed on whoever they took, taken him instead, and the ripple effect could easily have resulted in Hernandez off the board at our 2nd pick spot.

Dallas spent the 4th overall pick on Elliott and their entire offense runs through him. This can work with Barkley. There are different ways to get to the same place and it can happen in different orders.

The offensive line and pass rush have to be things we go all out on this offseason.

No matter what, NYG had too many holes to effectively fill in one year. The order we fill them is less important than who we fill them with. Try to get the best players rather than focus so much on which holes are being filled first.
I hope this offseason leads to some bolder/tougher decisions  
Sean : 1/6/2019 6:22 pm : link
The Giants have made one tough decision in the last few years and they backed off it (benching Eli). This franchise is fear based right now since the Manning backlash. Itís time to make tough decisions:

1. Moving on from Eli
2. Consider trading Beckham
3. Let Landon Collins walk

These are all very difficult decisions, none more so than Eli. These are HARD decisions, but itís a business & the business model has failed. If the Gettleman makes some tough decisions which piss some fans off, thatís a good thing.

You know what would be the easy decisions & consistent with the last 6 years?

1. Keep Eli for another year
2. Keep Beckham
3. Sign Landon Collins to a long term deal

Unfortunately, I think the latter is more likely.
The stupid on here really  
Dave on the UWS : 1/6/2019 6:23 pm : link
Is ďgenerationalĒ!! Mook and Terps a match made in stupid heaven. People might have wanted to actually listen to Gettlemanís presser. 1. If not for the fact that he saw Barkley as a ďgenerational playerĒ ( he was right) he would not have discounted the QBs. He stated heís under no delusion about what the team is and what needs to be fixed. Primarily the OL and pass rush. People here act like they needed to draft a QB every rd or the team is an epic fail. Oh and just wave your Harry Potter wand and all the other problems would be fixed.
This teamís drafts sucked for more than half a decade. It will take awhile. The locker room is better, thereís is stability at many positions. They got a keeper in Hernandez for the OL (something Reese was unable to do), there are promising young players on defense. Itís a pretty darn good job for 1 off season. But he didnít take QB so everything else is worthless- whatever you guys are brutal.
Letting Collins go  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 6:25 pm : link
is not smart. He is a player who was asked to do things he isnt good at because the rest of the defense sucked.
Have not figured out why  
section125 : 1/6/2019 6:26 pm : link
you trade Beckham 6 months after signing him. Just not a wise business decision unless you get 2 1st rounders.

Oh and Sean  
Dave on the UWS : 1/6/2019 6:28 pm : link
the ďbusiness model from before this year is NOT RELEVANT!!! You do know this is a different management team right? You know how that works right? Why do you think DG gutted the roster - only 13 guys remain from 2017. You can add Vernon, Jenkins and maybe Ogletree and Martin to those tough decisions. Iím confident he and Shurmur know what needs to be done with this roster.
RE: Have not figured out why  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14250821 section125 said:
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you trade Beckham 6 months after signing him. Just not a wise business decision unless you get 2 1st rounders.


Or why a team that desperately needs to improve on offense would trade one of their two offensive skill players that are above league average
The decisions..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 6:31 pm : link
the fans consider tough and the ones that actually are tough usually don't match.

And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.

The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 6:31 pm : link
I still don't know what trading Beckham accomplishes aside from creating another major roster hole and adding more dead money to our cap in either 2019 or 2020.

Unless someone is blowing us away with a big time offer, I can't see how it helps the Giants get better. We'd also be selling low on him. He missed the last month of the season and most of last year. If there was ever a "low point" in terms of selling on this player - it would probably be now.
RE: RE: Have not figured out why  
section125 : 1/6/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14250826 ajr2456 said:
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you trade Beckham 6 months after signing him. Just not a wise business decision unless you get 2 1st rounders.




Or why a team that desperately needs to improve on offense would trade one of their two offensive skill players that are above league average


Apparently the baby needs to go out with the bath water...get rid of everyone.
They are not trading Beckham  
Ssanders9816 : 1/6/2019 6:43 pm : link
You are an absolute IDIOT if you think they are or you want them to.
If we can get a first for Beckham..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 6:45 pm : link
I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.

This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Itís about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.
RE: The decisions..  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/6/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14250830 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the fans consider tough and the ones that actually are tough usually don't match.

And the interpretation is all sorts of fucked up. You can draft the best player in the draft and still have a portion of the fanbase calling it a fireable offense.

The one thing to come to grips with is a lot of the fan base is comprised of fucking imbeciles.


There is way too much made of good QB play here. The way football is it isn't too hard to find a guy that can play these days. There used to be a dearth of talent at the QB position making it scarce. That's just not the case anymore. Plenty of guys can get it down if you surround the team with talent. The point of the draft is to add the best players you can. Not fit needs. We pick arguably the best player in the draft and people are upset. It's mind boggling.
RE: If we can get a first for Beckham..  
section125 : 1/6/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14250870 Sean said:
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I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.

This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Itís about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.


One first round pick does not cut it. Why would you trade a bonafide NFL star for a question mark/potential.
RE: If we can get a first for Beckham..  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14250870 Sean said:
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I think you need to consider it. My philosophy on trading Beckham is based on the infrastructure which is still very weak for this team. We already have Barkley who is a dynamic skill position player.

This is a strong defensive line draft, our pass rush is putrid. Getting Beckham for a top 15 pick & netting 2 pass rushers in the first round...is that so bad? Itís about team building. Fixing this mess from the inside-out.


Right, but then we have a horrendous WR group with no depth. So, where are the replacements coming from? Relying on FA WR's is a risky proposition. I know it worked with Burress way back when (sorta..) but we're most likely going to need to use picks on that position - so it's basically taking out one plug in the dam and using it to fill another hole.

I'm not sure it really gets us any closer.

And this assumes we actually nail the pick(s) we get in return. What if we whiff or the player we draft gets hurt? Then we're SOL.
section-  
Sean : 1/6/2019 6:57 pm : link
We arenít getting multiple firsts. Beckham hasnít played a full season in 2 years & makes a ton of money. Itís a risky move no doubt, but Gettleman should be trying to build an identity here & Beckhamís an asset.

Letís go back to his intro presser, what does he want to do?

1. Protect the QB
2. Run the ball
3. Pressure the other QB

Beckham doesnít factor into any of those 3, yet he is an asset to potentially help 1 or 3. Itís about building a team & building an identity.
arc..  
Sean : 1/6/2019 6:59 pm : link
With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.
RE: arc..  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14250914 Sean said:
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With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.


We had the best rushing offense in football and a top 5 defense. That's how it works with Hixon being the top WR. Burress did play more than half the games that year, too - so Hixon wasn't the WR1 all year.

Further - that team fell apart down the stretch and couldn't win a playoff game at home. We were dreadful. Not sure that's the model to follow here. The Giants teams with the true WR threats (Burress, Toomer, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham) won the Super Bowls and the ones without those guys didn't win any playoff games.

We didn't win in the playoffs with Beckham in 2016, either - but people often forget that the defense completely fell apart as soon as DRC was gone and gave up nearly 40 points. I'm not sure even a perfect day by Beckham catching the football gets us a W that night.
RE: arc..  
ajr2456 : 1/6/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14250914 Sean said:
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With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.


Holy revisionist history. That offense was awful one Plax went down.
Barkley vs. Chubb is the only real argument imo  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 8:06 pm : link
Nelson and Hernandez or Braden Smith would have been bold, and it worked for the Colts, but at #2 the elite pass rusher is the smarter pick.

We'll see who has the most team beneficial career of the two. If Barkley has Tomlinson-like productivity and longevity then it's a good pick.

Taking the wrong QB at #2 would have come with a high opportunity cost given the QBs coming out in 2020 and 2021.
Just hoping the best player in the 2019 Draft when we pick  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 8:08 pm : link
isn't a RB...
It is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/6/2019 8:40 pm : link
pretty bad to use an example from a season where we were bounced in the first round:

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Sean : 6:59 pm : link : reply
With strong lines & a running game, I think we can win without Beckham. Terps made this point previously - Dominick Hixon was the leading WR for the Giants in 2008 - the most dominant regular season NYG team in recent history.


Not to mention that Hixon became the #1 WR by default. It would be like saying the Cowboys are in the playoffs this year with Cole Beasley as their top WR, which statistically is true
Barkley  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 9:35 pm : link
may have been the best player in the draft athletically, but there's close to zero percent chance he will be even close to the most valuable over his career.

When it comes time for 2nd contracts, he wont be anywhere near the highest paid.

I think Gettleman is a clown but thats not a fireable offense. Believing this team could compete this year is a fireable offense to me. Extending Eli would be a fireable offense.

Quenton Nelson should win Offensive Rookie of the year. He won't because he didn't put up flashy stats, but he's the best player in that draft in my opinion with Barkley a close 2nd. But neither one will be the most valuable. A couple of the QB's probably will be, Mayfield almost certainly will be.
I think  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 9:40 pm : link
Barkley's terrific statistical season speaks to the value of running backs to teams in the current era.

He stood on his head basically the entire year, and this team still only won 5 games. 4 of which were against backups. 2 of them 3rd string guys. If Garropolo was healthy Giants don't win that game. If Trubisky was healthy giants dont beat Bears.

They would have beat Redskins probably regardless, but this team was really, really bad.

Which top running back from the last decade has won a Super Bowl?
the Giants  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 9:42 pm : link
are also wasting Barkley's prime years. 2 years may not seem like a lot but it's probably 33% of a running backs prime years, and those first 2 years the Giants will have zero chance to compete for a title. Hard to imagine them having a chance to compete for a title the 3rd year either because thats likely to be the year they take a QB. It's not Saquons fault but half of what likely is his prime is going to be wasted.
Wait  
dep026 : 1/6/2019 9:45 pm : link
so when Barkley is 25-26..... which would be his 5th and 6th year in the league, we wont be able to comitt and he will be past his prime?

Shit, Rams better win it this year cause Gurley will be 25 next year and he will be done...
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 9:54 pm : link
Barkley is quite a specimen. Unless he sustains a career-altering injury, he's going to be productive for a while.

Adrian Peterson just posted a 1000 yard season at age 33. And he tore his ACL a few years ago. I think we're getting carried away by trying to make it seem like the shelf life of a RB is basically 2-3 years. Barkley will last longer than that.

Elliott already has ~900 carries to his name and he's led the NFL in rush YPG per game in all 3 of his active seasons. That's missing 8 games due to suspension/injury/sitting out. 381 touches - the most in football. 2001 scrimmage yards.

I fucking hate Dallas, but Elliott is going to be doing this for a while and so will Barkley.
RE: Wait  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14251511 dep026 said:
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so when Barkley is 25-26..... which would be his 5th and 6th year in the league, we wont be able to comitt and he will be past his prime?

Shit, Rams better win it this year cause Gurley will be 25 next year and he will be done...


No one said he will be done at 26. But most likely his prime years will be behind him. It's like you guys haven't watched running backs. Ladanian Tomlinson was not immune from his production dropping significantly all of a sudden.

The Steelers let Bell sit out an entire season at age 26. Surely if his prime wasn't close to over they never would have held a hard line on him, right?
Tomlinsons  
MookGiants : 1/6/2019 10:00 pm : link
prime ended after his 7th season.

But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.

Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.

It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that
RE: Tomlinsons  
widmerseyebrow : 1/6/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14251538 MookGiants said:
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prime ended after his 7th season.

But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.

Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.

It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that


How many non QBs and lineman have more than 7 prime years though? Does that mean you should never take a non QB or lineman in the first round? I would have been happy with Chubb, but it's not out of the question we have a new QB in place and we're ready to contend while Barkley is still a good player, not discounting the fact that he might be instrumental in easing our next QB into the NFL.
RE: Tomlinsons  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14251538 MookGiants said:
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prime ended after his 7th season.

But yeah, outlandish to say Barkley's prime is his first 6 years.

Which running back recently had a prime a decade long? Tomlinsons production nose dived after his 7th season and he retired after his 11th year.

It's a good bet Barkley's prime is no longer than Tomlinsons was. Hell i'd sign right now for 7 prime years of Barkley. We've seen running backs fall off of a cliff even earlier then that


So, weíre just casually glossing over the part where Tomlinsonís decline was a result of getting hurt several times?

He sprained his MCL, hurt his big toe, hurt his ankle, partially tore his groin... Iím guessing that stuff had something to do with the dip.

Tomlinson actually had a pretty good year with the Jets, too.

Barkley is a better athlete. Itís certainly not out of the question heíll get hurt, but unless weíre banking on it, Iím not sure LdT is a great comp here.
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arcarsenal : 1/6/2019 11:31 pm : link
Even when Tomlinson was way less effective in 2009, he still scored 12 times.

If Barkley has the same career as Tomlinson, people would see that as a negative? The guy is a hall of fame RB...
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