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What problems did the Giants fix...

M.S. : 1/6/2019 11:19 am
...after the 2017 Season?

And what problems did they NOT fix?

And what problems did we create after the 2017 Season that now linger after this season (2018).

Here's my list, interested in how others feel:

What the Giants fixed after 2017 Season:

(1) Running Back: Saquon Barkley
(2) Left Guard: Will Hernandez
(3) Left Tackle: Nate Solder
(4) Kicking/Punting: Aldrick Rosas/Riley Dixon
(5) Special Teams in general
(6) Locker Room environment which was reflected in numerous hard-fought battles;
(5) General Manager: Replacing Jerry Reese with Dave Gettleman
(6) Head Coach: Replacing Ben McAdoo with Pat Shurmur

What the Giants didn't fix after 2017 Season:

(1) No QB succession plan in place
(2) At least two out of three O-Line positions: C, RG, RT
(3) Free Safety
(4) Minimum one LBing position
(5) Continued inability to cover the middle of the field

Problems Giants created after 2017 Season:

(1) Further diminishment of outside pass rush (no JPP, Okwara, Kennard)




Good list, except  
section125 : 1/6/2019 11:28 am : link
one could argue LB - Ogletree.

After watching Dallas and Seattle last night, no the Giants LBs are not so good....wow what speed.
RE: Good list, except  
MBavaro : 1/6/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14249590 section125 said:
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one could argue LB - Ogletree.

After watching Dallas and Seattle last night, no the Giants LBs are not so good....wow what speed.


I noticed the same thing. It jumped off of the screen to me, after watching our LB's so much.
Good list  
BillT : 1/6/2019 11:35 am : link
I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.
the short answer  
fkap : 1/6/2019 11:35 am : link
to what did they fix:
not much.

OP + Ogletree sounds about right. Probably a couple lunchpail players here or there.

I hesitate to put LT in either fixed or didn't fix category.

Overall pretty pathetic for the first year of a rebuild.
Jonathan Stewart  
Jimmy Googs : 1/6/2019 11:36 am : link
fixed the problems in the lockerroom...
RE: Good list  
Bruner4329 : 1/6/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14249604 BillT said:
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.


They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.
RE: Good list, except  
superspynyg : 1/6/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14249590 section125 said:
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one could argue LB - Ogletree.


How dare you say this.. Ogletree the terror of backup qbs across the league!!!
The fixed list shouldn’t include GM and HC until they prove it  
TD : 1/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
They “changed” them but the jury is out on whether the positions are fixed. I’d also remove intangibles like locker room.

The not fixed list needs expanding. You need to list out the OL and LB positions as individual line items. And QB needs to be bloded or listed twice or something because of the importance of the position.

When you look at the list that way, it feels like another two years of rebuild at least. By the time we emerge from that (2021), Beckham will be pushing 30 and Barkley’s career will be near the halfway mark.

Things to consider when evaluating management’s “plan.”
Right tackle  
bc4life : 1/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
pass rushers, and a free safety. Wonder what can be fixed in FA?
Assuming they re-sign Jamon Brown  
Rjanyg : 1/6/2019 12:07 pm : link
The key to the off season is the Right Tackle position which they could fix with one of our first 2 picks. Edwards from Wisconsin in round 2 could fit nicely with Solder, Hernandez, Hilapio, Brown.
TD  
fkap : 1/6/2019 12:25 pm : link
unless they get this rebuild going a little faster, I'm thinking 4 or 5 years til we get anywhere. It could be done sooner, but year one doesn't fill me with optimism.

we could compete for making the playoffs in the next year or two, but outside of getting lucky, I don't see us being competitive in the playoffs anytime soon.
RE: The fixed list shouldn’t include GM and HC until they prove it  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14249667 TD said:
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They “changed” them but the jury is out on whether the positions are fixed. I’d also remove intangibles like locker room.

The not fixed list needs expanding. You need to list out the OL and LB positions as individual line items. And QB needs to be bloded or listed twice or something because of the importance of the position.

When you look at the list that way, it feels like another two years of rebuild at least. By the time we emerge from that (2021), Beckham will be pushing 30 and Barkley’s career will be near the halfway mark.

Things to consider when evaluating management’s “plan.”


+1 DG’s failure in the FA arena has set this team back another year with just too many needs to fill.
RE: RE: Good list  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 12:40 pm : link
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.



They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.


We’ve heard that one before, I’ll believe it when I see it, right now the giants are no match for Dallas or Philly especially in the trenches.
2017 problems were may  
johnnyb : 1/6/2019 12:42 pm : link
And cannot be fixed in one year. I think DG made some progress on the OL, improved the running game and special teams. He had a productive draft, some5hing we have not seen in a while. PS added the leadership that was lacking from the HC last year.

Did DG make mistakes? Yes he did- betting on Flowers and signing Stewart to name two. But what I like about DG and see as an improvement is his willingness to admit a mistake and move on. Reese was stubborn and. This hurt the Giants.

If we have another productive draft and sign a few key free agents to fill wholes, we will be a better team in 2019. I do like the foundation that has been set. Anyone who thinks this team would be fixed in one year is delusional.
****Many  
johnnyb : 1/6/2019 12:43 pm : link
Hate typing on IPad.
No QB Plan in place  
BobA : 1/6/2019 12:46 pm : link
Just because you don't see one, hear of one, or agree with one, does not mean that one is NOT in place.
RE: RE: The fixed list shouldn’t include GM and HC until they prove it  
section125 : 1/6/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14249711 gmenatlarge said:
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They “changed” them but the jury is out on whether the positions are fixed. I’d also remove intangibles like locker room.

The not fixed list needs expanding. You need to list out the OL and LB positions as individual line items. And QB needs to be bloded or listed twice or something because of the importance of the position.

When you look at the list that way, it feels like another two years of rebuild at least. By the time we emerge from that (2021), Beckham will be pushing 30 and Barkley’s career will be near the halfway mark.

Things to consider when evaluating management’s “plan.”



+1 DG’s failure in the FA arena has set this team back another year with just too many needs to fill.


Bullshit..just absolute BS.
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christian : 1/6/2019 1:11 pm : link
Gettleman opted to flip the roster and placehold with temporary solutions.

He brought on some solid players, but he also created immediate-term holes as well (not that it was a mistake, pulling the Band Aid can be good).

As of today the practical holes (even if they are "luxuries") and questions going into the offseason:

- QB, RT, G, C
- WR depth, TE depth (if Ellison is cut)
- ER (If Vernon is cut), ISLB, DE, CB, FS, SS, Secondary depth across the board

You can't really plan on a 4-5 year rebuild, the pieces you acquire in year 1 aren't likely to be on the roster by year 4-5.

This is a huge offseason for the immediate term future of the team and Gettleman has LOTS to do.
RE: No QB Plan in place  
paesan98 : 1/6/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14249720 BobA said:
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Just because you don't see one, hear of one, or agree with one, does not mean that one is NOT in place.


Precisely
Didn't fix: QB of the next 6-8 seasons...  
ryanmkeane : 1/6/2019 1:44 pm : link
Zero pressure on the QB
-Athletes/tackling in the secondary

Fixed: Overall locker room culture, playcalling/offensive scheme
RE: RE: RE: The fixed list shouldn’t include GM and HC until they prove it  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 2:25 pm : link
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They “changed” them but the jury is out on whether the positions are fixed. I’d also remove intangibles like locker room.

The not fixed list needs expanding. You need to list out the OL and LB positions as individual line items. And QB needs to be bloded or listed twice or something because of the importance of the position.

When you look at the list that way, it feels like another two years of rebuild at least. By the time we emerge from that (2021), Beckham will be pushing 30 and Barkley’s career will be near the halfway mark.

Things to consider when evaluating management’s “plan.”



+1 DG’s failure in the FA arena has set this team back another year with just too many needs to fill.



Bullshit..just absolute BS.


Nice comeback, who could argue with that!
RE: RE: RE: The fixed list shouldn’t include GM and HC until they prove it  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 2:28 pm : link
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They “changed” them but the jury is out on whether the positions are fixed. I’d also remove intangibles like locker room.

The not fixed list needs expanding. You need to list out the OL and LB positions as individual line items. And QB needs to be bloded or listed twice or something because of the importance of the position.

When you look at the list that way, it feels like another two years of rebuild at least. By the time we emerge from that (2021), Beckham will be pushing 30 and Barkley’s career will be near the halfway mark.

Things to consider when evaluating management’s “plan.”



+1 DG’s failure in the FA arena has set this team back another year with just too many needs to fill.



Bullshit..just absolute BS.


Nice comeback, who could argue with that!
This gmenatlarge dude is brutal...  
JCin332 : 1/6/2019 2:32 pm : link
as I said on another thread becoming Les like...
RE: This gmenatlarge dude is brutal...  
gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
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as I said on another thread becoming Les like...


Do you have a point or just a generic stupid comment!
I would argue that checking off RB doesn't place enough emphasis  
baadbill : 1/6/2019 3:07 pm : link
upon the significance of the change Barkley reflects. Based upon his first year and assuming he continues the same (or better) play, he is a sure fire HOFer. There are in general only 1-3 HOFers in each draft class - to get one is huge.
This could actually be 3 posts instead of one.....  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
No sense discussing what was done or wasn't done, that has been done ad nauseam....

Needs for 2019?

That depends on what DG's main objective is for next season?

Are we still in rebuild mode? Will we continue with Eli? Or will we cut/trade him(with his consent to a contender) and use that 17M elsewhere?

Whether we keep Eli or not, I still think we should fix the OL first(C, RG, and RT).....why draft a RB with your #1 pick, if you have no OL to put him behind for 2 years? He's wasted.....Halapio is not the answer....Brown is a free agent, and makes too many mistakes...RT? 'Nuff said...

If you fix the OL, you make Barkley better, and if you keep Eli, you make him better, and the offense in general better....Plus, you have an OL ready for the next qb.....
RE: RE: Good list  
joe48 : 1/6/2019 3:38 pm : link
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.



They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.
I agree but they have enough young talent to minimize the damage. The big thing is I still think they need to have a very good running game for Dak. He cannot put a team on his back at this point. We shall see how far they go in the playoffs.
RE: RE: RE: Good list  
sxdxca : 1/6/2019 3:52 pm : link
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.



They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.



We’ve heard that one before, I’ll believe it when I see it, right now the giants are no match for Dallas or Philly especially in the trenches.


You may not be aware of this but the Giants only lost by 1 point to the cowboys, and that was without Beckham.

They also only lost by 3 points to the Eagles. So I don't think the Giants r that far away, just sayin....
Rebuilds take years  
anon837 : 1/6/2019 4:28 pm : link
This team lacked an identity in 2017 and it carried over n to 2018. They are not making the playoffs in 2019. Maybe 2020 will be the year if they find a good QB to replace Eli, continuity and above average play on the OL, a semblance of a pass rush, and a lot less questions in the back 7.
RB, K, P  
Boy Cord : 1/6/2019 5:08 pm : link
All other positions have major problems.
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gmenatlarge : 1/6/2019 6:10 pm : link
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.



They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.



We’ve heard that one before, I’ll believe it when I see it, right now the giants are no match for Dallas or Philly especially in the trenches.



You may not be aware of this but the Giants only lost by 1 point to the cowboys, and that was without Beckham.

They also only lost by 3 points to the Eagles. So I don't think the Giants r that far away, just sayin....


That’s what losing teams say, they had a 19-3 lead on the Eagles and their O-line just dominated in the second half, the Cowboys game did not matter one iota to them. This is still a 5-11 team where you added SB and had Beckham most of the year, I don’t see big improvement over 3-13 without SB and no Beckham most of the year. The thought that the giants are close is a mirage.
Is this thread meant to be a critque  
.McL. : 1/6/2019 6:11 pm : link
of year 1 of this regime, or is it meant to be a what's the roadmap moving forward.

It seems to be a bit both.

As a critique of the new regime, I think the vast majority would agree that the jury is still out. There was some good some bad.

The Good:
Bold moves to clean up the malcontents from the roster
Bold moves to get rid of highly paid players whose productivity didn't match or the productivity was on the downside.
Bold moves to admit mistakes and cut bait from certain players.
Clearing lots of bad contracts off the books to allow for a fresh start. Not overspending on FA (with the exception of Solder)
Drafting Hernandez and Hill. Don't know what Carter will become, but seems like good value at 3.
I will talk about Barkley later.
Improved playcalling especially as the season progressed.
Better schemes.

The not sure if its good or bad:
Some of the cuts may have cut too deep. I'm ok with cutting guys like JPP (inconsistent, lackadasical), Harrison (wrong side of 30 production dropping, questionable attitude), Apple (questionable production and attitude). Cutting guys like Okwara, Kennard and some of the other role players that seemed to not have attitude issues is questionable.

Trading for and signing Olgetree. We needed a captain of the defense, he bring some good things to the table, but he has limited athleticism and coverage ability. The pick together with the contract seems a bit steep. But I will give this one more time.

Signing Solder. This one was a necessary evil. Perhaps the largest criticism of the previous regime was staying pat with the existing OL. DG had no choice but to be bold and try to revamp it. After losing Norwell, he had to go for the next best OL on the market. Staying put on the OL was an existential threat, no way no how could it be left alone.

Spending a draft pick on a punter. Dixon has been average, which is far better than what we had before, but a draft pick for an average punter... Hmmm.

Drafting MacIntosh and Beal: We haven't seen them play so no idea how good they are and are they worth the choice... But you have to ask, was there a lack of due diligence?

Team Building Philosophy (see below)

The Bad:
Signing Stewart, Omameh - Don't need to rehash these

Drafting Lauletta - With all the needs on this teama low round flier on a QB for the 2nd straight year was just a waste of precious rebuilding resource that could have been used on a developmental OL, LB, or FS, CB etc...

Going into the season with Flowers, not having stopgap vet behind him for when he flames out. Flowers had disappointed so many times before there was no reason to believe he would not disappoint again. It was incumbent on this regime to sign at least a moderately priced veteran for this eventuality. Counting on Wheeler to take over was well... 'nuff said.

Run defense

The Ugly:
The inability to get a stop near the end of a game
Confusion covering the middle of the field


Team Building Philosophy
This one largely depends on how you feel about drafting Barkley. To me Barkley is a great player and potential HOFer, but at a position of luxury. If this team were 1 player away for contending for championship, ok then, all in. But this team is not. This team requires years of rebuilding. By the time that rebuilding is done, Beckham might be 30 and Barkley due for his 2nd contract. Any leverage you had with Beckham in his prime and Barkley on a rookie deal is lost. On top of that, I don't really consider Barkley's rookie contract much of a bargain considering he is paid as the 2nd to 5th most for a RB depending on the metric used. Some say we should have gotten one of the QBs last year, personally I was not enamored with them but I do recognize that we need a new future QB very soon, I prefer no later than 2020, but 2021 at the absolute latest. We had so many holes on the roster that we could be a full year further in the rebuild had we found a way to use the #2 more productively in building the overall team.
That brings me to the final critique I want to mention. While I firmly believe that Gettleman and Shurmur were giving us the company line about competing. I do think they mis-evaluated the team. I don't think they thought we would be competitve in 2018, but I think they were hoping that there were more pieces that would be usable going forward. At this point the only pieces on the team at when DG took over that will likely be here when the team is competitive again are OBJ, SS, EE, and Tomlinson. That's it, 4 players. And nobody at critical positions difficult to fill like OL, ER, and QB. To their credit they eventually realized how bad it really was and ripped the band-aid off. But to have not realized it before the draft, and go in thinking that a few pieces and back in the saddle in 2 years was plain wrong. I think they thought it was a 2 year plan, not 4 or 5 year plan. The whole rebuild problem was compounded by the choice of Bettcher and moving to a 3 - 4. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but the team was tooled as a 4-3. We now see how few pieces we had for Bettcher's defense. His defense may be great, but it is going to cost at least an extra year for the rebuild.
So to those that say they have no plan, I think that is not true, I think they had a 2 year plan that they were forced to trash in favor of a 4 year plan. We are now going on year 2. Buckle up, its still bumpy.
My personal take right now is that the Team Building Philosophy so be on the Bad right now because of some of the mis-evaluation that led to drafting Barkley and not ripping the band-aid sooner. Personally I also question what [b]seems[\b] to the fact that this regime does not put weight or at least an appropriate amount of weight in this day and age into analytics as a guide to team building.
As far as team needs and the roadmap forward  
.McL. : 1/6/2019 6:40 pm : link
This draft seems to have some good DL/ER types at the top of the draft, and some OL in day 2 and 3.

That dovetails nicely with the Giants needs. Get the best player at the pick is likely (except for WR, RB and TE) to do well for the team.

I am not a fan of Haskins at #6. Based on what I have seen, and it seems most of the experts on the same page he looks like a late first to mid 2nd round prospect. But because he is the best QB available,expect some team to reach for him in the mid 1st. Just because some team is willing to reach for him mid 1st certainly does not translate into it being a good idea for us to reach for him at #6. He is far to risky a prospect for that. By the logic that some on here have (I have seen this statement more than once on here: well if he is good enough for somebody to pick him at 15 them we should be willing at 6, by that logic you can argue Lauletta all the way up to the #1 pick of the draft)
If Haskins is there in the 2nd round, I would consider it then, but not before, but he won't be there. THe same argument I made last year about trading down may apply again this year. THe team has so many needs and #6 is so valuable, that getting more red chip players who have a shot at blue chip, may be better than 1 blue chip. Its a gamble. But since the team trading down is taking on more risk the reward should be higher. At this point this team needs higher rewards everywhere it can get it.
I would like to see at least ER and an OL starter grabbed in the first 3 rounds. And another OL either starter or backup/development player.
Its rare to find solid OL hitting FA these days, and when they do they command top dollar. Using FA on long term OL players is not sustainable. However you can pick up mid range vets on the tail end for a reasonable price. This should be the route until we can develop some OL through the draft. Mostly this years FA crop should be defenders. FS, CB, LB should be targeted. Try to preserve future cap space, don't break the bank for anybody. Get solid role players.
Franchise Collins.
Get better through the draft.
Guess what, the team still sucks in 2019... :(
But now you have a chance at one of the QBs in a bumper crop year. Grab a QB in 2020, trade up if you have to. Consider trading down in 2019 to get more 2020 high picks...
There are also a few nice OL projected for 2020, try to pick one or 2 more.
The team is mediocre in 2020 because of rookie QB growth, but another good draft and FA period and 2021 this team can be making some noise again.

Yes, I know that means sucking again next year, but overall I think it gives the greatest chance of long term success the soonest and if the scenarios were played out 1000s of times we would see it yeilds on average the shortest period of suckitude.
I know that Solder improved as the season progressed  
Jay in Toronto : 1/6/2019 6:48 pm : link
But is LT play where it needs to be?
RE: I know that Solder improved as the season progressed  
.McL. : 1/6/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14250881 Jay in Toronto said:
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But is LT play where it needs to be?

Solder certainly improved. some think he may have had an injury. His footwork seemed very off early on. But one thing that doesn't get any mention here is that part of Solder's improvement was the result of improved play from RG and C. Once they gave even a hint of a pocket for Eli to move up into, Solder was able to push his man past Eli. I think that is a preferred technique of Solder, and in the early part Eli had no where to go and all Solder was doing was pushing his man right into Eli.

I should have mentioned above... Resign Brown. He isn't the best RG on the planet but he is a worthy NFL starter. Something the Giants have not had there in a very long time.
M.S.  
idiotsavant : 1/6/2019 7:13 pm : link
You forgot run D wearing down late in games and pass rush, which needs improvement

I like the schematics but there's players to be added.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good list  
giantstock : 1/6/2019 8:05 pm : link
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I think we're a long way from fielding a playoff level team. Multiple players needed in the OL and defensive front seven. And not just any players. A premier pass rusher. A couple of better than average OLs. Probably another decent WR and TE. A better than average safety (and that's given resigning Collins). And to top it off our next QB.

Hate to say it but you look at Dallas and it's hard to see how we compete anytime soon.



They will need to fork over some big bucks for Dak, Elliot and Lawrence to name a few. Won't be able to keep them all.



We’ve heard that one before, I’ll believe it when I see it, right now the giants are no match for Dallas or Philly especially in the trenches.



You may not be aware of this but the Giants only lost by 1 point to the cowboys, and that was without Beckham.

They also only lost by 3 points to the Eagles. So I don't think the Giants r that far away, just sayin....


I'll take the COwboys record over The Giants record next year. How much are you putting down on the giants with even odds seeing how you think they are so close.
Thanks  
Jay in Toronto : 1/6/2019 9:58 pm : link
.McL.
Sign Brown,  
Doomster : 1/6/2019 10:38 pm : link
just because he sucks less than the guys we had the last couple seasons? No, get someone better...

As for ripping the band aid sooner, I agree.....

You should be choosing players in the draft and FAcy, for the future, not for one/two year fixes.....

I would rather suck intentionally, and build a team, rather than think we are only a couple players away, like we have thought for the last 6 seasons...
RE: Sign Brown,  
.McL. : 1/6/2019 11:11 pm : link
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just because he sucks less than the guys we had the last couple seasons? No, get someone better...

As for ripping the band aid sooner, I agree.....

You should be choosing players in the draft and FAcy, for the future, not for one/two year fixes.....

I would rather suck intentionally, and build a team, rather than think we are only a couple players away, like we have thought for the last 6 seasons...

Brown is still a viable starting caliber player. Maybe he is a league average RG. But since the Giants only have 3 viable starters, and viable starters are hard to get, why in hell would you want to get rid of him, and why would you want to have to focus resources there when there are so many other places that need attention so much more urgently. Sign him and plug other holes. If a better RG falls in your lap then great, Brown has played almost every position along the line, so worst comes to worst, you have a starting caliber backup. What a novel concept.
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