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Comp. Picks Projection - Add two more to the pile

Diver_Down : 1/7/2019 10:34 am
OTC has the projection of compensatory picks and we will be getting a 4th for Pugh and a 5th for Kennard. I know we have a slew of lower round picks already ( Total 11). While we have a ton of holes on the roster, we need clear upgrades in the starting positions. Hopefully, DG is able to package some of the lower round picks to move up and target specific players.
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Hopefully DG  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 10:37 am : link
will acquire a 3rd round pick as he appears to have two big hits there from last year (BJ Hill and Lorenzo Carter) and hopefully Sam Beal will make that 3 for 3.
I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 10:40 am : link
in general. Trade down and pick up extra picks and/or 2020 picks. Trade up if they love somebody.

The draft is a crap shoot. In general additional picks = more chances to find quality players and this team needs a ton of depth.
having volume in those middle rounds can be  
bigbluehoya : 1/7/2019 10:40 am : link
big, especially if you focus on grabbing productive guys from competitive college programs and not trying to look like a genius finding "the JPP of tight ends".
More picks for  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/7/2019 10:41 am : link
Gettleman to BLOW IT!
RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14251916 giants#1 said:
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in general. Trade down and pick up extra picks and/or 2020 picks. Trade up if they love somebody.

The draft is a crap shoot. In general additional picks = more chances to find quality players and this team needs a ton of depth.

My focus would be on acquiring as many 2020 picks as possible. The Giants will most likely have to wait until 2020 to draft their long term answer at QB unless they want to roll the dice on Tyree Jackson. I would even be willing to trade their 2nd this year for a 1st in 2020. With some luck that 1st could be top 10 as the Browns experienced last year when the Texans 1st ended up being 4th overall.
We should have re-signed Kennard...  
M.S. : 1/7/2019 10:43 am : link

...we could have used his 7 sacks he got with Detroit, not to mention the 7.5 sacks from Romeo Okwara.

Throw in JPP and it ain't for nothing that the Giants finished 2nd to last in the NFL with 30 sacks.

RE: having volume in those middle rounds can be  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14251917 bigbluehoya said:
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big, especially if you focus on grabbing productive guys from competitive college programs and not trying to look like a genius finding "the JPP of tight ends".

IMO we need to draft a developmental OT in the mid rounds to groom behind Solder. I know many hate doing that as Reese failed miserably but we have a new GM who has had success finding good OL without the use of early picks.
RE: We should have re-signed Kennard...  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14251925 M.S. said:
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...we could have used his 7 sacks he got with Detroit, not to mention the 7.5 sacks from Romeo Okwara.

Throw in JPP and it ain't for nothing that the Giants finished 2nd to last in the NFL with 30 sacks.

If we kept JPP and his big contract we wouldn't have BJ Hill.
Kennard is a 4-3 SAM  
JonC : 1/7/2019 10:45 am : link
that's not typically a round peg round hole fit in a 4-3 ...
Keeping JPP and Kennard  
JonC : 1/7/2019 10:47 am : link
might have improved the defense/rush in 2018, but so what? The team had/has a ton of holes.

Think longer term vision, think of how important culture is with a young team with no identity ...
RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14251921 Jay on the Island said:
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in general. Trade down and pick up extra picks and/or 2020 picks. Trade up if they love somebody.

The draft is a crap shoot. In general additional picks = more chances to find quality players and this team needs a ton of depth.


My focus would be on acquiring as many 2020 picks as possible. The Giants will most likely have to wait until 2020 to draft their long term answer at QB unless they want to roll the dice on Tyree Jackson. I would even be willing to trade their 2nd this year for a 1st in 2020. With some luck that 1st could be top 10 as the Browns experienced last year when the Texans 1st ended up being 4th overall.


Let's say they don't love any of the QBs and the top 2-3 ERs are off the board before #6. I'd be perfectly happy trading back to the 12-15 range and picking a 2020 1st (+ a mid round pick).

I wouldn't trade our 2nd for solely a 2020 1st, but maybe for a late 2nd/early 3rd + that 2020 1st. I'd certainly consider trading some of the 4th-7th round picks for 2020 picks though.
RE: RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14251930 giants#1 said:
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in general. Trade down and pick up extra picks and/or 2020 picks. Trade up if they love somebody.

The draft is a crap shoot. In general additional picks = more chances to find quality players and this team needs a ton of depth.


My focus would be on acquiring as many 2020 picks as possible. The Giants will most likely have to wait until 2020 to draft their long term answer at QB unless they want to roll the dice on Tyree Jackson. I would even be willing to trade their 2nd this year for a 1st in 2020. With some luck that 1st could be top 10 as the Browns experienced last year when the Texans 1st ended up being 4th overall.



Let's say they don't love any of the QBs and the top 2-3 ERs are off the board before #6. I'd be perfectly happy trading back to the 12-15 range and picking a 2020 1st (+ a mid round pick).

I wouldn't trade our 2nd for solely a 2020 1st, but maybe for a late 2nd/early 3rd + that 2020 1st. I'd certainly consider trading some of the 4th-7th round picks for 2020 picks though.

IIRC those types of deals usually do come with a mid round pick also like a 4th. I am in full support of a trade down unless Allen or Oliver fall to 6.
RE: Kennard is a 4-3 SAM  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14251928 JonC said:
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that's not typically a round peg round hole fit in a 4-3 ...


Not to mention 2018 was a career year (by far) and the first time he stayed relatively healthy (and still missed a game).

And I agree re: Hill. Going forward Hill > JPP
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14251933 Jay on the Island said:
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IIRC those types of deals usually do come with a mid round pick also like a 4th. I am in full support of a trade down unless Allen or Oliver fall to 6.


Yup. Something like #6 for #12 + 2019 3rd + 2020 1st would be great.

Unfortunately, I don't think DG has a long track record of trading back.
RE: More picks for  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14251919 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Gettleman to BLOW IT!


Like your mom should have done instead.
RE: RE: More picks for  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/7/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14251939 Ssanders9816 said:
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Gettleman to BLOW IT!



Like your mom should have done instead.


1. My mother died 3 weeks ago
2. I was being facetious

When can we ban this herb already?
RE: Kennard is a 4-3 SAM  
JonC : 1/7/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14251928 JonC said:
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that's not typically a round peg round hole fit in a 4-3 ...


... not typically a round peg round hole fit in a 3-4, that should read.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
DonnieD89 : 1/7/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14251937 giants#1 said:
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IIRC those types of deals usually do come with a mid round pick also like a 4th. I am in full support of a trade down unless Allen or Oliver fall to 6.



Yup. Something like #6 for #12 + 2019 3rd + 2020 1st would be great.

Unfortunately, I don't think DG has a long track record of trading back.


I am in agreement with this also providing that the Giants don't take themselves out of an opportunity to acquire a bluechip prospect. The question is when in this draft does the talent really drop off significantly. Anyone know?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14251937 giants#1 said:
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IIRC those types of deals usually do come with a mid round pick also like a 4th. I am in full support of a trade down unless Allen or Oliver fall to 6.



Yup. Something like #6 for #12 + 2019 3rd + 2020 1st would be great.

Unfortunately, I don't think DG has a long track record of trading back.

The Giants wouldn't get all that for trading from 6 to 12. They would likely get the 12th pick and a 2nd unless the team was desperate. My hope is that a team like Washington desperately wants Haskins and they know that Jax will likely take him at 7. They could trade a 2020 1st plus their 1st this year and maybe a 3rd-4th to move up. Haskins won't be ready to play so I expect that pick to be an early 2020 pick which could end up being a huge steal for the Giants.
I wouldn't trade back  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2019 11:12 am : link
if it primarily involved receiving picks outside the 3rd round.

And anyone suggesting to amass as many picks as possible if they're including picks outside the 3rd round then I view you the way Mel Kiper views the Jets re: the NFL draft in that "you still haven't figured out what the NFL draft is all about".

Picks in the first three rounds are the only picks you can make where you SHOULD be able to COUNT on contribution. Of course there are misses in the first three rounds and hits outside of that, but those in most cases buck the odds and it's not how you should operate (accumulating a shit load of picks in rounds 4 - 7 just adds more potential scholarship players to your roster).

I am a fan of targeting a player you have faith in from a coaching and scouting standpoint and being aggressive to move up and get that player - ideally with 4th - 7th round picks, but they don't usually have enough value to move up that far.

but that would be my approach.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope DG is more aggressive trading picks  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14251976 Jay on the Island said:
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IIRC those types of deals usually do come with a mid round pick also like a 4th. I am in full support of a trade down unless Allen or Oliver fall to 6.



Yup. Something like #6 for #12 + 2019 3rd + 2020 1st would be great.

Unfortunately, I don't think DG has a long track record of trading back.


The Giants wouldn't get all that for trading from 6 to 12. They would likely get the 12th pick and a 2nd unless the team was desperate. My hope is that a team like Washington desperately wants Haskins and they know that Jax will likely take him at 7. They could trade a 2020 1st plus their 1st this year and maybe a 3rd-4th to move up. Haskins won't be ready to play so I expect that pick to be an early 2020 pick which could end up being a huge steal for the Giants.


1. I was just throwing that out there, half seriously.

2. It's not that much of a premium. #6 = 1600 pts, #12 = 1200 pts. If you assume the 2020 1st is worth roughly a 2019 2nd, then that's ~460 pts (12th pick in 2nd round) and the 2019 3rd = 210 pts.

So Giants would be trading 1600 pts and receiving 1870 pts, a slight premium but nothing crazy.
Just from the talent Iíve seen  
GoDeep13 : 1/7/2019 11:23 am : link
We should be able to get a good Edge/rush guys as late as the 3rd maybe 4th. Lots of productive rushers in this draft from big name guys like Bosa, Allen, Oliver, and Williams to lesser talked about guys like Granderson, Ximines, Willekes, Winovich, and Tillery.

O-line has couple plug and play guys who will likely garner t high picks. My favorite guy is Cody Allen. Heís big, strong, and an athletic mover in space and the 2nd level. Reminds me of Trent Williams but at RT. Also have guys like Jawaan Taylor who is also an immediate starter more in the Morgan Moses mold. Couple good center prospects as well. We should get out O-line improvements done by round 3 if we want immediately playable guys without hit too many warts.

Still going through the DBs bit Deionte Thompson is easily the class of the Safties and while Greedy Williams is the more often talked about Corner, Iím more partial to Baker due to his overall game that is solid in every aspect.
So thatís 3, 4th rounders.....  
Simms11 : 1/7/2019 11:30 am : link
DG will most likely use some draft picks now to move up into the 3rd. Build the lines. Hopefully the Giants do not think the answer at Center is Halapio or Pulley?! Halapio coming off of a serious injury next year is no sure thing anyway and he wasnít exactly lighting the world on fire at the position prior to it. The Giants MUST get more stout in the middle of their lines and the 3rd round is the sweet spot for decent Centers.
projected  
TommyWiseau : 1/7/2019 11:49 am : link
to have three 4th round picks and three 5th round picks. Not too shabby. DG can move up and acquire some players that he wants
any one know why no Comp  
ECham : 1/7/2019 11:51 am : link
pick for Richburg

his contract was 9mm/year?
Don't forget  
Pepe LePugh : 1/7/2019 11:52 am : link
about trading mid-round picks for players. I expect at least one pick will be used that way.
Kennard just couldnít stay healthy.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/7/2019 12:10 pm : link
He had enough time to show he could stay, but injuries derailed his performance here. We were right to let him walk and I was a fan of his. That he FINALLY stayed healthy simply happens. We gave him enough time to prove he belonged here.
I hope we  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 12:13 pm : link
trade back in this draft to a QB hungry team for a 2020 1st rd. draft pick.

Give us the ability to move up and get our guy in 2020.

Use these other picks as a way to maneuver in the later rounds to get the pick of their choice in the 2nd and or 3rd.
Is this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 12:20 pm : link
how it works??

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We should have re-signed Kennard...
M.S. : 10:43 am : link : reply

...we could have used his 7 sacks he got with Detroit, not to mention the 7.5 sacks from Romeo Okwara.

Throw in JPP and it ain't for nothing that the Giants finished 2nd to last in the NFL with 30 sacks.


If we had just kept those guys, they'd have produced like they did in Detroit??

I mean, we could've kept Eli Apple and have him have the highest QBR vs. him in the league!! Or we could have kept Pugh and have him on IR half the year.... oh, wait....
Excellent  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2019 1:07 pm : link
This team has lots of holes still and depth issues.

This abundance gives flexibility to take some lottery tickets on talent or use a few to trade up in the 3rd or 4th or even both rounds if we are feeling aggressive. There are always lots of guys that fall down.
Never thought I'd see the day  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 1:24 pm : link
where posters were pissed we let Kennard go. Dude was always hurt and really not that good for us. JAG.
FYI  
Daniel in Kentucky : 1/7/2019 1:28 pm : link
Round 1: No. 6 overall
Round 2: No. 38 overall
Round 3 (No pick, used in 2018 Compensatory Draft)
Round 4: TBD (in the 106 to 110 range)
Round 4 (via New Orleans Saints)
Round 4 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 5 (projected in the No. 138 range)
Round 5 (via Detroit Lions)
Round 5 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 6 (projected in the No. 175 range)
Round 7 (via Minnesota)
Round 7 (via Los Angeles Rams)
I am for trading down from #6 if our draft board merits the move  
SGMen : 1/7/2019 1:30 pm : link
I think in the end GM Gettleman (DG) will take the BPA at #6 regardless of position and that player will likely be a DL since that is the richest position in this draft.

The compensatory picks at #4, #5 are huge because it is in those rounds you can sometimes find an OG, RT, blocking TE, OC type to build the roster. The roster has a lot of holes and extra picks are a good thing.

I do believe we'll see DG clean out this roster of over-priced guys IF they don't restructure down in pay or rework the deals they currently have:

1. Eli - it is better than 50/50 he is back & starting game 1 of the season. I don't see us pursuing an UFA QB or taking a QB in round 1 this year unless we trade down.
2. Vernon - always hurt though he has talent when he plays. Will he take a paycut to stay in NY and restructure?
3. Jenkins - he is on the wrong side of 30 though he can still play at least one more year at a high level, I think. But we need cap money. This is a tough one cause CB is paper thin for us.
4. TE Ellison - he is a good blocker, but not great. He may take a cut & stay.

Etc.

I like the #4, #5 comp picks if in fact we get them.
We'd be in much better shape had we not traded for Ogletree  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/7/2019 1:54 pm : link
I never understood why we paid the Rams so much. I felt they were gonna cut him for cap reasons anyhow. DUMB trade, thanks Gettleman!
RE: I am for trading down from #6 if our draft board merits the move  
Boy Cord : 1/7/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14252266 SGMen said:
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I think in the end GM Gettleman (DG) will take the BPA at #6 regardless of position and that player will likely be a DL since that is the richest position in this draft.

The compensatory picks at #4, #5 are huge because it is in those rounds you can sometimes find an OG, RT, blocking TE, OC type to build the roster. The roster has a lot of holes and extra picks are a good thing.

I do believe we'll see DG clean out this roster of over-priced guys IF they don't restructure down in pay or rework the deals they currently have:

1. Eli - it is better than 50/50 he is back & starting game 1 of the season. I don't see us pursuing an UFA QB or taking a QB in round 1 this year unless we trade down.
2. Vernon - always hurt though he has talent when he plays. Will he take a paycut to stay in NY and restructure?
3. Jenkins - he is on the wrong side of 30 though he can still play at least one more year at a high level, I think. But we need cap money. This is a tough one cause CB is paper thin for us.
4. TE Ellison - he is a good blocker, but not great. He may take a cut & stay.

Etc.

I like the #4, #5 comp picks if in fact we get them.


If the scenario arose where the Giants could trade down to 20, get a 1st next year, and a 3rd this year, that would be interesting. Odds are slim, but I like the strategy. Means they look for QB in 2020.
RE: FYI  
81_Great_Dane : 1/7/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14252260 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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Round 1: No. 6 overall
Round 2: No. 38 overall
Round 3 (No pick, used in 2018 Compensatory Draft)
Round 4: TBD (in the 106 to 110 range)
Round 4 (via New Orleans Saints)
Round 4 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 5 (projected in the No. 138 range)
Round 5 (via Detroit Lions)
Round 5 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 6 (projected in the No. 175 range)
Round 7 (via Minnesota)
Round 7 (via Los Angeles Rams)

Could the Giants really keep 11 rookies, including three 5th-rounders and two 7th-rounders? I'm dubious. They have holes at hard-to-find, premium positions, including pass rusher and offensive tackle. The chances of filling those holes with Day 3 picks are very slender. There are only so many roster spots for developmental guys.

I think they're going to have to look to trade up to turn some of those late picks into third and fourth-round picks.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 3:04 pm : link
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We'd be in much better shape had we not traded for Ogletree
ArcadeSlumlord : 1:54 pm : link : reply
I never understood why we paid the Rams so much. I felt they were gonna cut him for cap reasons anyhow. DUMB trade, thanks Gettleman!


Much better shape?? Is a 4th or 6th rounder going to yield a starting LB?
Hopefully, PJ sees this  
Diver_Down : 1/7/2019 3:07 pm : link
and he links to or embeds the chart showing the starter/success rate depending on what round they are picked. I fully support what PJ wrote above about moving up for targeted players. Filling out the roster with late round picks that are indistinguishable from UDFAs and likely won't amount to anything is not a recipe for success. Best case scenario is that DG is done early on Day 3.
Trading for Ogeletree  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2019 3:07 pm : link
was a good move.

Restructuring Ogletree was not a good move (IMO).
RE: Hopefully, PJ sees this  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14252427 Diver_Down said:
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and he links to or embeds the chart showing the starter/success rate depending on what round they are picked. I fully support what PJ wrote above about moving up for targeted players. Filling out the roster with late round picks that are indistinguishable from UDFAs and likely won't amount to anything is not a recipe for success. Best case scenario is that DG is done early on Day 3.


People on here don't want to see that anymore. More picks, more picks, more picks - and use them all on OL is all anyone wants to hear on here. LOL.

Oh, and the "BPA myth".
here  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2019 3:09 pm : link
= hear at some point in my post.
RE: here  
Diver_Down : 1/7/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14252436 pjcas18 said:
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= hear at some point in my post.


Wasn't it you that had that chart?
Yes, I have posted this many times  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2019 3:28 pm : link
I don't think people care.

They say things like great, we need all the draft picks we can get because we have so many holes.

Yet, if you're penciling in anyone at almost any position for any sort of contribution after the 3rd round you are in for a rude awakening.

and even relying on rookies in the early rounds is dicey based on history based on position.

Fill your needs best you can in free agency, draft for the marriage of BPA and need in the first few rounds, then draft athletes/football players and coach them up in the later rounds (or cut bait). Don't count on filling holes with quantity.

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Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
Ogletree was a good move .  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 3:33 pm : link
We had Oe LB that I said in the beginning would be the
most improved player this season . I think he did come on
very well late outside of him we had nothing Ogletree
had a very good first season here . He is a Leader and
a play maker . They don't grow on trees .
Gettleman did a fine job with the Draft .
If Sam Beal turns out to be a Solid starting CB well worth
the 3rd round pick .
He also added some decent players in Mario Edwards Jr.
Elijhaa Penny Quadree Henderson Corey Coleman Cody Latimer

He can add a couple of FA O-line players have another
solid draft I feel the arrow is pointing up .
Lets see SB work behind a real O-line . Get OBJ back and
squeeze one more season out of Eli I agree 2020
is where we will find his replacement
5 Elite Players  
Samiam : 1/7/2019 5:20 pm : link
Read somewhere that in this draft, there are 5 elite players who are a different level. Picking 6th means we lose out. But, assuming there is no QB in the 5, Iím hoping someone trades up to get ahead of the Giants to grab a QB (unless the Giants love the QB). If someone trades up to get ahead of the Giants to draft a QB, then Iím ok staying at 6 and getting one of the elites. If not, I would welcome a trade down. I donít watch enough college football to know who the 5 are but I think we got hurt when Hebert stayed in college
...  
christian : 1/7/2019 5:56 pm : link
I'm typically very, very low on picks outside of the top 100, but given the shear number of literally holes on the roster, I'm excited to see what Gettleman can do.

I'd much rather contract-controlled rookies make up the mid-to-bottom roster slots than replacement-level castaway types.

At least those guys *might* grow into contributors.
RE: 5 Elite Players  
The_Boss : 1/7/2019 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14252713 Samiam said:
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Read somewhere that in this draft, there are 5 elite players who are a different level. Picking 6th means we lose out. But, assuming there is no QB in the 5, Iím hoping someone trades up to get ahead of the Giants to grab a QB (unless the Giants love the QB). If someone trades up to get ahead of the Giants to draft a QB, then Iím ok staying at 6 and getting one of the elites. If not, I would welcome a trade down. I donít watch enough college football to know who the 5 are but I think we got hurt when Hebert stayed in college


Iíve read itís Bosa, DL Williams from Alabama....and everybody else. As long as DG doesnít panic and reach for Haskins at 6, Iím comfortable whichever direction he goes.
Appears to be such a heavy Rd 1  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2019 7:00 pm : link
In terms of defense, so:

Top of Rd 2 may well years some great, great D values, keeping #6 then trading up to say, 33 or 34 or 35 loosing some late rounders ...so you'd have

6
34
38
+ Your Etc.

.....whatever that trade leaves you with.. plenty to work with.
RE: RE: RE: More picks for  
section125 : 1/7/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14251948 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14251919 McNally's_Nuts said:


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Gettleman to BLOW IT!



Like your mom should have done instead.



1. My mother died 3 weeks ago
2. I was being facetious

When can we ban this herb already?


I vote we ban you for excessive negativity.
RE: FYI  
section125 : 1/7/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14252260 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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Round 1: No. 6 overall
Round 2: No. 38 overall
Round 3 (No pick, used in 2018 Compensatory Draft)
Round 4: TBD (in the 106 to 110 range)
Round 4 (via New Orleans Saints)
Round 4 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 5 (projected in the No. 138 range)
Round 5 (via Detroit Lions)
Round 5 (via Compensatory draft pick formula)
Round 6 (projected in the No. 175 range)
Round 7 (via Minnesota)
Round 7 (via Los Angeles Rams)


Giants have #37. Picks rotate between the 3 5-11 teams each round.
RE: 5 Elite Players  
81_Great_Dane : 1/9/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14252713 Samiam said:
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Read somewhere that in this draft, there are 5 elite players who are a different level. Picking 6th means we lose out.
I look at it differently.

Every year, about 7 guys go into the Hall of Fame. That means that every year, on average, about 7 future Hall of Famers come into the league. And those guys are never simply the top 7 guys picked. Michael Strahan was a 2nd-rounder, for example.

I don't care whether we get a prospect who's considered "elite," I care whether the guy we get performs at an elite level in the NFL. The two don't always match up. The scouts get the big bucks for trying to catch the guys who overperform and avoid the guys who underperform, but it's a crapshoot. There's a lot of luck involved. I want the Giants to be both lucky and good in this year's draft.
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