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Romeo Okwara...

M.S. : 1/7/2019 10:52 am
...someone please remind me why he was a September 4th cut?

Was it because he was banged up the year before?

Under-performed in training camp and pre-season?

Didn't fit James Bettcher's defensive scheme?

Some other reason?.

An old friend of mine from college is a big Detroit Lions fan and asked why we got rid of him, and that he was pretty good for Detroit on the edge with nearly 40 tackles and 7 sacks.

Any thoughts much appreciate. Thanks in advance!
I think  
Beer Man : 1/7/2019 10:54 am : link
he was outplayed by the DEs/ERs that the team kept
Wynn beat him out at DE  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 10:59 am : link
(plus Tomlinson/Hill) and he lacks the athleticism to play OLB.

Personally, I would've kept him over Wynn, but Wynn is stronger at the POA and against the run.
Getting  
HoodieGelo : 1/7/2019 11:00 am : link
cut probably made him play with a chip on his shoulder this season. When he was here, he definitely made plays but I guess not enough of them. It's his 2nd chance, so to speak. Either way, as an ND fan I'm super happy for him, he was always a really great person.
He's a 4-3 End  
jlukes : 1/7/2019 11:01 am : link
too small to play 3-4 end, not athletic enough to play 3-4 LB
RE: He's a 4-3 End  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14251962 jlukes said:
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too small to play 3-4 end, not athletic enough to play 3-4 LB


He's listed (pro-football-reference) as being 10 lbs heavier and 1" shorter than Wynn. Certainly looked smaller than Wynn from what I remember though.
It was a mistake  
Joey in VA : 1/7/2019 11:03 am : link
Plain and simple. He has plenty of size to play the 5 technique in this front and he played in a 3-4 in Detroit so all previous "answers" are just erroneous. He should have made the team, but Wynn's value on specials probably tilted it in his favor if they were only keeping one 5T. He could easily have played where Kareem Martin did and probably better too, it was a bad move.
Agree with jlukes  
JonC : 1/7/2019 11:05 am : link
I know Joey doesn't agree regarding fit, but the decisions to let go of Okwara, JPP, and Kennard had a lot to do with projected lack of fit in the 3-4 and more behind the scenes.

Let go.
...  
christian : 1/7/2019 11:08 am : link
I'd much rather him this year and on a tender next year than the ghost of Connor Barwin who will cost money to cut and need to be replaced.
I'm with Joey  
Jan in DC : 1/7/2019 11:10 am : link
I thought so then and I still think so. He played well in the preseason. I think he was a "culture" cut and being a fringe player from the previous regime made him expendable.
Okwara had a better season then Martin and Wynn sadly  
GoBlue6599 : 1/7/2019 11:10 am : link
.
He didnt cost anything.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 11:13 am : link
There really wasnt a reason to get rid of him.
Thatís what you get for switching to a 3-4  
BillT : 1/7/2019 11:14 am : link
Your going through a complete overhaul of personnel and are looking at discarding some decent players. Never liked it and still donít.
A change in culture was definitely needed  
jcn56 : 1/7/2019 11:15 am : link
but it's worrisome when players are released because of behind the scenes/off the field behavior, and they go on to be productive elsewhere while the replacements don't do any better.

You start to wonder if maybe there's something else behind the scenes than just the players they swapped out.
I would have liked to keep him  
Banks : 1/7/2019 11:20 am : link
But his stats were largely gathered over a 4 game stretch early in the year. The last 9 games he amassed 2.5 sacks and 2 tackles for loss. I didn't watch most of those games so I'm not sure if he played better than those numbers suggest
RE: A change in culture was definitely needed  
giants#1 : 1/7/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14252002 jcn56 said:
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but it's worrisome when players are released because of behind the scenes/off the field behavior, and they go on to be productive elsewhere while the replacements don't do any better.

You start to wonder if maybe there's something else behind the scenes than just the players they swapped out.


Out of these 3, IMO the only one that was moved because of "behind the scenes" stuff is JPP and one could argue his replacement (Hill) was just as good overall. I'm certainly taking Hill over the next 3 seasons and I was a big JPP fan.

Kennard got a big contract for someone that couldn't stay on the field and I'm glad (even in hindsight off his career season) that the Giants didn't match it.

Seeing as Okwara was brought to camp and was one of the final cuts, I don't think his release had anything to do with locker room stuff. I think they merely felt (perhaps incorrectly) that the other guys were better options.
Some of Gettlemanís moves struck me as changing for the sake of change  
TD : 1/7/2019 11:21 am : link
At least a few have turned out to be mistakes.

Gettleman perhaps letting his ego get the better of him..
Romeo  
Mark in ATL : 1/7/2019 11:23 am : link
Looks like his brother might be a fit for the Giants.
RE: RE: A change in culture was definitely needed  
GoBlue6599 : 1/7/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14252011 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14252002 jcn56 said:


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but it's worrisome when players are released because of behind the scenes/off the field behavior, and they go on to be productive elsewhere while the replacements don't do any better.

You start to wonder if maybe there's something else behind the scenes than just the players they swapped out.



Out of these 3, IMO the only one

Kennard got a big contract for someone that couldn't stay on the field and I'm glad (even in hindsight off his career season) that the Giants didn't match it.


If the Giants were going to sign Kareem Martin they might as well of kept Kennard who is a better player
Martin was signed  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/7/2019 11:35 am : link
and kept around simply because he knows Bettcher's D
RE: Agree with jlukes  
Toth029 : 1/7/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14251972 JonC said:
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I know Joey doesn't agree regarding fit, but the decisions to let go of Okwara, JPP, and Kennard had a lot to do with projected lack of fit in the 3-4 and more behind the scenes.

Let go.

Lions run a very hybrid 3-4 too. The DL is A'Shawn Robinson, Snacks and former Redskin Ricky Jean Francois. Kennard and Okwars are the edge guys.
RE: RE: Agree with jlukes  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14252106 Toth029 said:
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In comment 14251972 JonC said:


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I know Joey doesn't agree regarding fit, but the decisions to let go of Okwara, JPP, and Kennard had a lot to do with projected lack of fit in the 3-4 and more behind the scenes.

Let go.


Lions run a very hybrid 3-4 too. The DL is A'Shawn Robinson, Snacks and former Redskin Ricky Jean Francois. Kennard and Okwars are the edge guys.

They're entire DL was on IR in Ansah, Robinson, and Hand. Okwara was starting at one DE spot not as an ER.
He's a stiff  
mittenedman : 1/7/2019 12:21 pm : link
who showed very little here.

I have no idea what happened in DET but it's hard to get upset letting him go.

That said - he's better than the corpse of Connor Barwin but I think again DG wanted to bring in some positive veteran influences in lieu of a bit more production from young immature guys.

And overall team - the Lions were a joke again and left the fans disappointed.
I think JonC is right.  
Brown Recluse : 1/7/2019 12:40 pm : link
Especially with the "behind the scenes" comment that everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring.

DG even referred to it last week  
JonC : 1/7/2019 12:48 pm : link
during his presser, the clean up effort is one of their biggest priorities.
defense vs offense  
giantfan2000 : 1/7/2019 2:27 pm : link
it seemed like Gettleman was trying to change culture of defense
and just improve OL on Offense

it was a bit schizophrenia. and resulted in a surging Offense in the second half of season and a worsening defense ..

RE: Martin was signed  
BronxBob : 1/7/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14252046 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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and kept around simply because he knows Bettcher's D


If you were listening to Carl Banks' calls for about the first four games, there wasn't much sign Martin knew positional fundamentals - at least the ones Banks was expecting to see. Not sure what that says about Martin or Bettcher's system. Banks isn't always right, but it was kind of funny, because you could hear it starting to piss him off.
Martin played better  
bc4life : 1/7/2019 6:04 pm : link
towards the end - but when you look at the plays some OLB make in the league - disappointing
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