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CFB National Title Clem/Bama: Potential 1st rounders

ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 1:19 pm
I feel like there's not a ton of buzz for tonight's contest, but let's run down the list of potential targets for us in the draft that will be on display. I won't bother with positions like RB, mainly the positions of need or guys that are rated high:

Bama:
LT Jonah Williams - most likely a RT or RG right away for us. I have visions of him manning RT for 3 seasons and then switching over to LT once Solder is gone. That'd be the perfect scenario for us.

C/G Ross Pierschbacher - dude is playing in his 4th national title game. Isn't rated that highly, and not much of an athlete which could be why he's graded in the 3-5 range, but could be a nice value pick for us in the mid rounds at C if we pass on that position in the early going.

DT Quinnen Williams - not much to say here. Should be a top 6-7 lock but might not be the best bet for us because of position. Gettleman hasn't shied away from taking BPA even if we have guys at that position, so he could be an option at 6.

DT Raekwon Davis - another beast and possible top 10 pick. Davis would play 5 tech for us. So while it's not necessarily a need, he's a name to watch out for along with Williams

FS Deionte Thompson - FS that we've been waiting for...probably doesn't make the grade at 6, but could be had in a trade down, or, in a trade up scenario back into the 1st after our 6th overall. Ball skills are off the charts with excellent range

ILB Mack Wilson - probably a 2nd round target for us if we choose to go LB. Not very athletic or fast but the dude is a gamer

Clemson:

DE Clelin Ferrell - probably a top 10 lock, great pass rushing skills but just an OK run defender. Definitely on the radar for us at #6 overall

DT Christian Wilkins - safe bet as a 1st rounder but probably not at 6. He jumps off the screen every game along with Ferrell

CB Trayvon Mullen - 1st round buzz, certainly not a choice at 6 but in the 2nd round? Possibly

Let's enjoy the game, our guy at 6 could be on the field tonight!

Clemson:
Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:23 pm : link
I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.
RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14252249 JonC said:
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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.

If that's the case...it would leave a few guys on the board:
Allen
Haskins
Jonah Williams
Devin White

I think we'd be happy with any of those 4.
This game features  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 1:27 pm : link
The likely 1st overall picks in 2020 and 2021.
If Quinnen Williams is on the board at 6  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 1:28 pm : link
he has to be the pick. I know the chances are extremely slim for him to be there though.
RE: This game features  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14252258 Jay on the Island said:
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The likely 1st overall picks in 2020 and 2021.

After Fromm's freshman year at Georgia...everyone said he would be the #1 guy. Now he's lumped in with a bunch of other QBs who look better than him. Everyone loves Lawrence now but he's only a freshman...a lot can change.

I'm also not terribly excited about Tua in the pros.
RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
BH28 : 1/7/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14252249 JonC said:
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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.


I asked Sy that question and he said he is a fit for any scheme.
RE: RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14252257 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14252249 JonC said:


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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.


If that's the case...it would leave a few guys on the board:
Allen
Haskins
Jonah Williams
Devin White

I think we'd be happy with any of those 4.


I don't think we go ILB that high, and suspect Haskins is a mid 1st rounder.

If I'm right, we'll be looking to trade down.
RE: RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14252265 BH28 said:
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In comment 14252249 JonC said:


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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.



I asked Sy that question and he said he is a fit for any scheme.


Sy thinks Ferrell can play 3-4 OLB?
Ferrell seems too big  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 1:36 pm : link
to play OLB
RE: Ferrell seems too big  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14252281 ryanmkeane said:
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to play OLB


Not explosive enough, imo. You don't spend that pick on a 3-4 DE.
We run the hybrid scheme  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:38 pm : link
but they've pretty clearly been picking 3-4 base talent since DG took over.
I am all for trading down,  
DonnieD89 : 1/7/2019 1:39 pm : link
if Giants can still acquire good talent this year in this draft and acquire something for next yearís draft.
I think Gary and Oliver  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 1:39 pm : link
are going to get long looks by the Giants.
Both Oliver and Gary are big  
DonnieD89 : 1/7/2019 1:42 pm : link
enough to play the 5-tech. I can see that happening.
RE: RE: RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
BH28 : 1/7/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14252271 JonC said:
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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.



I asked Sy that question and he said he is a fit for any scheme.



Sy thinks Ferrell can play 3-4 OLB?


here you go:
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Ferrell looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
JonC : 1/7/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14252296 BH28 said:
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I don't think we go with one of the DTs unless they deem one a dominant NT.



I asked Sy that question and he said he is a fit for any scheme.



Sy thinks Ferrell can play 3-4 OLB?



here you go: link - ( New Window )


Much respect for Sy, but not enough pop for me to warrant the pick in a 3-4 front. Clemson and Bama defenders are effective in the NFL, but they're consistently high floor prospects.
RE: RE: This game features  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14252263 ryanmkeane said:
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The likely 1st overall picks in 2020 and 2021.


After Fromm's freshman year at Georgia...everyone said he would be the #1 guy. Now he's lumped in with a bunch of other QBs who look better than him. Everyone loves Lawrence now but he's only a freshman...a lot can change.

I'm also not terribly excited about Tua in the pros.

I am not as high on Tua as others but I think Fromm is going to be a franchise QB. Lawrence looks like the real deal and should be the most hyped QB since Luck in 2021. Of course things can change but I believe that scouts like Fromm more than many believe.
Don't forget Dexter Lawrence and Austin Bryant  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 2:06 pm : link
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Betchers D also  
Dankbeerman : 1/7/2019 2:08 pm : link
works well for chandlers jones who was more of a 4-3 end, and Vernon was fit into that role without being exposed. Really when we go nickel which we played a lot of, our rush backer has his hand down and is for the most part a 4-3 end.

Ferrel would fit opposite Cartern not opposite Vernon
RE: Betchers D also  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14252325 Dankbeerman said:
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works well for chandlers jones who was more of a 4-3 end, and Vernon was fit into that role without being exposed. Really when we go nickel which we played a lot of, our rush backer has his hand down and is for the most part a 4-3 end.

Ferrel would fit opposite Cartern not opposite Vernon

Vernon played OLB in Miami's 3-4 defense before coming here.
RE: Ferrell seems too big  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14252281 ryanmkeane said:
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to play OLB


Clowney's bigger. Chubb is the same size.
I don't know why there isn't more of a buzz  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 2:14 pm : link
I can't think of a better 1-2 championship matchup.
It's amazing how much  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2019 2:28 pm : link
all these projections will change once everyone of these guys are looked at under a microscope.
RE: I don't know why there isn't more of a buzz  
eli4life : 1/7/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14252329 jeff57 said:
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I can't think of a better 1-2 championship matchup.


My guess is itís a week after New Years already went through a plethora of bowl games and most are just ready for it to be over. I think they should add a few more teams and start the playoffs early December ending as the final game New Yearís Day.
RE: RE: This game features  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14252263 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14252258 Jay on the Island said:


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The likely 1st overall picks in 2020 and 2021.


After Fromm's freshman year at Georgia...everyone said he would be the #1 guy. Now he's lumped in with a bunch of other QBs who look better than him. Everyone loves Lawrence now but he's only a freshman...a lot can change.

I'm also not terribly excited about Tua in the pros.


while this is true, unless he suffers a bad injury, Lawrence has a skill set that doesn't just deteriorate. He's the most polished freshman QB I've ever seen.
Raekwon??  
Heisenberg : 1/7/2019 2:47 pm : link
Just based on the Wu Tang name he's gotta be good.
I have many thoughts and will probably watch this game 4 or 5x  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 2:49 pm : link
But tonight will be devoted to the Ferrell vs. Jonah Williams matchup
Agree Ferrell is best as a 43DE  
mittenedman : 1/7/2019 2:52 pm : link
but who cares?

The Giants play a 4-man front a ton. If they can get a great Edge Rusher he has to be considered.

The Giants biggest problem is stopping teams late in games. That's when they'll be in a 40 front with DBs on the field. Ferrell helps them close games. And I'd again point to Chandler Jones in Bettcher's AZ D. Jones is probably best suited as a 43DE but he killed it in Bettcher's Elephant role. Ferrell is a similar prospect.

I personally like Polite better as a pure pass rusher but Ferrell would be a great "get" for the Giants. IMO.
Sorry Dankbeerman  
mittenedman : 1/7/2019 2:54 pm : link
Should have read your post first. +1.
Tanner Muse  
Dillon in Va : 1/7/2019 3:56 pm : link
Forget where I read it, but an evaluator thinks Clemson S, Tanner Muse could be a damn good 3 down LB in Bettcher's system. His size listed now is 6-2 and 225 lbs. He's a Junior and I have no clue if he is even coming out. I haven't watch many Clemson games but I thought it would be interesting to watch him tonight as well. I also have no clue what round he would project to.
Try to bamboozle someone into trading up  
The_Boss : 1/7/2019 6:15 pm : link
Get Deionte Thompson.
RE: Try to bamboozle someone into trading up  
DonnieD89 : 1/7/2019 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14252759 The_Boss said:
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Get Deionte Thompson.


The name Thompson is becoming an albatross when it comes to playing safety for the Giants. Just saying. Itís been bad luck.
RE: RE: Try to bamboozle someone into trading up  
DonnieD89 : 1/7/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14252773 DonnieD89 said:
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Get Deionte Thompson.



The name Thompson is becoming an albatross when it comes to playing safety for the Giants. Just saying. Itís been bad luck.


But then again, the third Thompson could be a charm.
RE: Tanner Muse  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14252580 Dillon in Va said:
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Forget where I read it, but an evaluator thinks Clemson S, Tanner Muse could be a damn good 3 down LB in Bettcher's system. His size listed now is 6-2 and 225 lbs. He's a Junior and I have no clue if he is even coming out. I haven't watch many Clemson games but I thought it would be interesting to watch him tonight as well. I also have no clue what round he would project to.


I like the other S Simmons as well. He's an inch taller, the same weight, and they seem to use him in a rover type role too.

He's a sophomore but I don't know if he's redshirted and eligible to be drafted but the games I've seen he's pretty damn good. Fast and long and always seems to be around the ball. #11 on D.
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