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OSU's Dwayne Haskins Jr. officially declares for NFL Draft

Anakim : 1/7/2019 2:35 pm
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RE: RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:05 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
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Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.


It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:06 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
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The point is most college QBs donít get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. Youíve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesnít know what theyíre talking about.



I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.

Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.

Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.



Can we ban the dupe


For stating a fact?

Haskins is an awful QB.

Gettleman isn't drafting him.

You are either naive or completely retarded if u think otherwise.


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You have to be a 12 year old.  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:09 pm : link
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To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
.McL. : 1/7/2019 9:09 pm : link
When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
What a horrible QB  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:09 pm : link
My God, this guy sucks so bad.

Everything he does is slow.

Byron Leftwich 2.0

Atrocious.
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RE: You have to be a 12 year old.  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:10 pm : link
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.

He is atrocious


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RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14253069 .McL. said:
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.



I wouldn't even take him at #38.

He's Byron Leftwich 2.0

Just a really really bad QB

Watch his tape against Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Nebraska. He is painful to watch. Everything he does is slow.

Kyle Lauletta fits Pat Shurmur/Dave Gettleman more than Haskins ever will.
RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14253069 .McL. said:
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.


All the 2020 QBs you want have played with better talent then nearly every team they play. How is that a knock? Why are they more certain of prospects?
RE: RE: So you ask for my reasoning  
Strahan91 : 1/7/2019 9:13 pm : link
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And dismiss it anyway because Iím ďnot an expertĒ

Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.


I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.

Iím calling BS here. Which ďreal expertĒ has said Haskins isnít worth a top 6 pick? You stated this on another thread and your only point of reference was McShay who gave him the same grade he gave Mayfield last year and a higher one than he gave anyone in 2017. Not to mention, right there with Goff and Wentz.
RE: RE: You have to be a 12 year old.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/7/2019 9:14 pm : link
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.

He is atrocious
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What are some of your previous handles?
People have no clue how to evaluate a college QB  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:15 pm : link
They see a guy standing in clean pockets with all day to throw, throwing to wide open receivers because the secondary is forced to back off due to the time in the pocket, and pile up easy manufactured stats, and scream "Look at his production!"

Zero conceptual understanding of what makes a good NFL QB.
RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
Strahan91 : 1/7/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14253069 .McL. said:
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.

Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70ís have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)
RE: RE: RE: You have to be a 12 year old.  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:16 pm : link
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.

He is atrocious
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12/18

What are some of your previous handles?


Ad hominem attack

Haskins is really really bad, and Dave Gettleman knows it.

He will be there at 6, and the Giants will easily pass without thinking twice.

Bottom line.
SaqBar999  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:18 pm : link
Please take your medication and go to bed
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 9:19 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )

I watched it, what are your issues?
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Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:26 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )


I watched it, what are your issues?


You sure you want to open up that can of worms? We could be here all night listening to his issues.
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SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:27 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )


I watched it, what are your issues?



He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?

Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.

Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.

This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.
Lol... did Haskins kick your dog or something?  
Strahan91 : 1/7/2019 9:32 pm : link
Your issues with Haskins seem to be about far more than football.
LOL  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:34 pm : link
Said heís never made an NFL throw.

Yea I think weíre done here. Back under the bridge for you.
RE: Lol... did Haskins kick your dog or something?  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:40 pm : link
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Your issues with Haskins seem to be about far more than football.



The talk of Haskins-to-Giants is extremely annoying because

1) He sucks on the football field
2) It's never ever happening. I'll bet everything I own the Giants won't draft him.
RE: LOL  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14253162 ajr2456 said:
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Said heís never made an NFL throw.

Yea I think weíre done here. Back under the bridge for you.



He doesn't make NFL throws. All manufactured easy completions to wide open receivers.

Urban Meyer System QB, a poor man's Alex Smith. Nothing more.

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Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 9:48 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )


I watched it, what are your issues?




He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?

Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.

Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.

This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.

Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure; sounds like you're describing Eli. Plus you said he's inaccurate, I didn't realize a 70% season completion percentage was inaccurate (67% in that Purdue game you linked).
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Josh in the City : 1/7/2019 9:50 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.

So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.
RE: RE: Lol... did Haskins kick your dog or something?  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:52 pm : link
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Your issues with Haskins seem to be about far more than football.




The talk of Haskins-to-Giants is extremely annoying because

1) He sucks on the football field
2) It's never ever happening. I'll bet everything I own the Giants won't draft him.


If you know itís not happening then why do you care? STFU and go away
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SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:54 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )


I watched it, what are your issues?




He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?

Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.

Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.

This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.


Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure; sounds like you're describing Eli. Plus you said he's inaccurate, I didn't realize a 70% season completion percentage was inaccurate (67% in that Purdue game you linked).


Eli processes quickly and makes quick decisions. Haskins literally the opposite. Slow in everything.

Manufactured completions (Urban Meyer's system) doesn't mean he's accurate.
Can..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 9:56 pm : link
you regale us some more about Dottino? That was enthralling earlier.
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SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 9:57 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.


You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.
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ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14253237 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you regale us some more about Dottino? That was enthralling earlier.


Iím starting to think he is Paul Dottino
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Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 9:59 pm : link
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...

Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...

WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off



Exactly.

Haskins is a fraud.


I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.



It's exactly his game.

Haskins is a horrible QB

See link Link - ( New Window )


I watched it, what are your issues?




He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?

Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.

Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.

This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.


Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure; sounds like you're describing Eli. Plus you said he's inaccurate, I didn't realize a 70% season completion percentage was inaccurate (67% in that Purdue game you linked).



Eli processes quickly and makes quick decisions. Haskins literally the opposite. Slow in everything.

Manufactured completions (Urban Meyer's system) doesn't mean he's accurate.

Not quick enogh to avoid being sacked 87 times the pst 2 years.
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Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 10:00 pm : link
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you regale us some more about Dottino? That was enthralling earlier.



Iím starting to think he is Paul Dottino

LOL
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Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 10:01 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.



You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.

Good thing you're not the GM.
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nyballa0891 : 1/7/2019 10:03 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.



You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.


Lol this guy.
ďEli is quick... Gettleman is an elite scoutĒ  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
Canít make this stuff up 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Strahan91 : 1/7/2019 10:25 pm : link
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you regale us some more about Dottino? That was enthralling earlier.



Iím starting to think he is Paul Dottino

Wow, nailed it
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SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 10:35 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.



You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.


Good thing you're not the GM.


Don't worry....the real GM won't be drafting Haskins.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Big hard pass.  
GFAN52 : 1/7/2019 10:46 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.



You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.


#38? I would, sign me up!
RE: RE: RE: So you ask for my reasoning  
.McL. : 1/7/2019 10:50 pm : link
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And dismiss it anyway because Iím ďnot an expertĒ

Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.


I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.


Iím calling BS here. Which ďreal expertĒ has said Haskins isnít worth a top 6 pick? You stated this on another thread and your only point of reference was McShay who gave him the same grade he gave Mayfield last year and a higher one than he gave anyone in 2017. Not to mention, right there with Goff and Wentz.

CBS has him ranked 25th
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-dwayne-haskins-josh-allen-and-other-prospects-raise-stock-after-bowl-games/

Here is an article (granted its from Nov 3rd but it makes the same point I am making about experience)
[url]https://heavy.com/sports/2018/11/dwayne-haskins-is-the-ohio-st-qb-a-first-round-selection/[url]

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Rivals' MIKE FARRELL'S take

ďThis is a really weak quarterback class compared to last year, and Iím not sure Haskins would have been a first-rounder last April with Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson. However, who else are you going to take in the first round, if not Haskins? With Herbert coming back and guys like Jones, Grier and Lock being second- or third-rounders, you know someone will make Haskins a first-rounder. Iím a little bit surprised at his development in college because I didnít see him as a Heisman candidate, but heís done a great job under the tutelage of Day. Will he be an NFL star? I donít see it, but Iíve certainly been wrong before.Ē


Mike Farrell's view coincides with mine... The only reason Haskins will get pushed up into top 20 or higher is because there are no other choices... Experts are moving him up for that reason as well... Just because there isn't a better choice at QB doesn't make him a good pick especially as high as #6.

Do I need to continue?
fixed the 2nd link  
.McL. : 1/7/2019 10:51 pm : link
https://heavy.com/sports/2018/11/dwayne-haskins-is-the-ohio-st-qb-a-first-round-selection/
MCL  
SaqBar999 : 1/7/2019 10:52 pm : link
Just ended this thread.

Over.
You said real expert and you quote Chris Trappasso?  
Strahan91 : 1/7/2019 10:58 pm : link
Speaking of reaching...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Big hard pass.  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 11:00 pm : link
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LBís, FS.



Explain what you dislike about his game.



Urban Meyers isnít known to produce pro ready QBís. Alex Smithís career was very underwhelming. The class itself sucks. I donít want to take a player and feel like he was forced. Itís a strong defensive draft. We have issues at just about every position on defense. Iím fairly confident when all the testing, pro days, in private interviews/workouts are completed, the data will suggest that Haskins is not worthy of #6.


So basically nothing about Haskins himself or his play? You donít like him bc of his coach and this QB class and how it will make you feel? That pretty much sums up most of the Haskins naysayers. Fact is, kid is the real deal.



You're clearly a casual football fan who doesn't understand the game. Haskins is far from the real deal. The guy blows.

I wouldn't take Haskins with the #38 pick, let alone the #6 pick.

Gettleman won't take him...and you will see on draft day. Gettleman is an elite scout. He doesn't get fooled by complete frauds like garbage ass Haskins.


Good thing you're not the GM.



Don't worry....the real GM won't be drafting Haskins.

Let me guess he called you and said as much right.
Youíre pounding your chest over Chris Traspasso  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 11:21 pm : link
And Mike from Rivals?

Lol. I thought you wanted experts? Chris Traspasso is awful and Mike covers high school recruiting.
RE: You said real expert and you quote Chris Trappasso?  
.McL. : 1/7/2019 11:24 pm : link
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Speaking of reaching...

So says who? You?
Now you are the expert?
What do you have backing you up?
A bunch of mocks... As I said before mocks don't count, that is the GUESS as to what team will do in the draft. Its not a ranking.
RE: RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 1:37 am : link
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.


Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70ís have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)

Uh talk about cherry picking a stat...
Read and learn about how college games started relates to NFL success.
This is old wisdom that has not changed...
Here is an article from 2008
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135

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However, there is a more complex reason why games started is an important indicator. In general, NFL scouts do an excellent job of talent evaluation when they have enough information. The more film that exists of a player, the easier it is to find weaknesses. When scouts don't get sufficient information, they place too much weight on "measurables" and off-field workouts, and make mistakes like Couch, Leaf or Akili Smith.

Sometimes, when a player starts a lot of games, scouts have enough film to figure out that he is truly a "system quarterback," and not an NFL prospect. That's why Kliff Kingsbury and Chris Leak were not drafted high despite strong college numbers. Because of the assumption that scouts can do their job with the right information, these projections apply only to quarterbacks chosen in the first two rounds.
By the way, 27 college games started  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 1:45 am : link
is the generally accepted bar for a college QB to achieve...

certainly 14 is wayyyyy below that benchmark.
RE: RE: RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
Heisenberg : 1/8/2019 8:54 am : link
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.


Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70ís have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)


Uh talk about cherry picking a stat...
Read and learn about how college games started relates to NFL success.
This is old wisdom that has not changed...
Here is an article from 2008
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135



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However, there is a more complex reason why games started is an important indicator. In general, NFL scouts do an excellent job of talent evaluation when they have enough information....





Uh, from your article

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Chad Henne (47 starts, 59.7 percent completion rate)
Henne is the type of player scouts never miss on -- a four-year starter from an elite college program. His 59.7 percent completion rate isn't bad, but it isn't that good either. Henne never displayed the consistency of an elite quarterback while at Michigan, but he did show an NFL arm.

Henne's college stats are quite similar to those of another big-time recruit from a big-time school who had an inconsistent career -- Carson Palmer. Palmer started 45 games and completed 59.1 percent of passes, but finished on a positive note by winning the Rose Bowl and Heisman Trophy and consequently went No. 1 overall. Henne didn't finish as strong, and isn't quite as good a prospect, but isn't as far off as some might think. After a nice performance at the Senior Bowl, he seems to have an outside shot at the first round, and would be a good pick there. He is a virtual lock to be at least an above-average professional.


LOL
RE: RE: RE: To be clear, I don't DISLIKE Haskins  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 9:38 am : link
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Here is an actual peer reviewed study done which shares the underlying methodology used. Their conclusion:
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In sports statistics circles, much has been made about a projection system (Lewin, 2006) for quarterbacks which uses the number of games started in college and college completion percentage to predict future NFL success. In our analyses, these variables were only associated with an indicator of playing at least 48 NFL games, but they were not related to any of our other outcome measures. Generally, college and combine performance statistics provided no additional predictive ability beyond year drafted and draft position. Indeed, in most cases, including college/combine measurements degraded predictive performance, suggesting that the amount of statistical noise in these predictors overwhelms any predictive value they might have.


The reason people hone in on games played in college has nothing to do with predicting future success. It has to do with evaluators distrust in their ability to evaluate a player with limited data available to them. Hence, why conclusions drawn are subject to the law of small numbers.

It's very obvious that you and your dupe sxdxca come to the table with preconceived notions and then try and find data to back up those notions, especially when called out on it. You shared an article from 2008 that claims to have done a study without sharing the underlying methodology. In the real world, that gets thrown out immediately and when you went to backup your claim about the "real experts" all saying Haskins wasn't worthy of a high draft selection you shared an article from heavy.com and Chris Trappasso...

Guys like Greg Gabriel, Dan Orlovsky, Boomer, Dane Brugler, Todd McShay, Eric Galko, Jordan Reid, and many others think very highly of Haskins. Does that mean he'll be an all-pro and has no holes in his game? No, he's raw and has mechanical issues to work on. But he has sky high upside. It's not nearly as black and white as some here seem to feel strongly about. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative!



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Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 10:37 am : link
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.

He is atrocious
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12/18

What are some of your previous handles?



Ad hominem attack

Haskins is really really bad, and Dave Gettleman knows it.

He will be there at 6, and the Giants will easily pass without thinking twice.

Bottom line.

Ah, the classic Simo defense tactic. Go visit your dad in the clink.
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.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:25 pm : link
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When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.

My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.

In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.


Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70ís have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)


Uh talk about cherry picking a stat...
Read and learn about how college games started relates to NFL success.
This is old wisdom that has not changed...
Here is an article from 2008
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135



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However, there is a more complex reason why games started is an important indicator. In general, NFL scouts do an excellent job of talent evaluation when they have enough information....







Uh, from your article



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Chad Henne (47 starts, 59.7 percent completion rate)
Henne is the type of player scouts never miss on -- a four-year starter from an elite college program. His 59.7 percent completion rate isn't bad, but it isn't that good either. Henne never displayed the consistency of an elite quarterback while at Michigan, but he did show an NFL arm.

Henne's college stats are quite similar to those of another big-time recruit from a big-time school who had an inconsistent career -- Carson Palmer. Palmer started 45 games and completed 59.1 percent of passes, but finished on a positive note by winning the Rose Bowl and Heisman Trophy and consequently went No. 1 overall. Henne didn't finish as strong, and isn't quite as good a prospect, but isn't as far off as some might think. After a nice performance at the Senior Bowl, he seems to have an outside shot at the first round, and would be a good pick there. He is a virtual lock to be at least an above-average professional.



LOL

Evaluating is still a crapshoot. What more games started allows the evaluators is more data points about the player to reduce the risk of failure. WIth more datapoints some players eliminate themselves, others don't. Nothing is surefire. I never said it was.
RE: Eh just donít think heís worth the #6 pick  
Carson53 : 1/10/2019 11:42 am : link
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Better talent will be on the board.
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Neither is Jones, although I like him better.
Both would be, dare I say a 'Reach'.
Haskins to me has beast or bust written all over him,
would be very leery with that pick!
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