what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers has been playing at a higher level than Eli though
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
No, but it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
has all of 14 career starts and looks like a polished passer already. He'd be worth it at #6 if he aces interviews and combine. Seems like a grounded kid with a good work ethic.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
RE: RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins Â
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers has been playing at a higher level than Eli though
Based on what? Leading the league in INTs twice? Leading the league in gsme ending INTs for a few years? Some years he was better, some years he was worse.
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Basically we don't want to force a pick. At #6 you have a chance to draft an elite/impact player. Taking a QB at six,to fill a need, when you don't believe he is elite could set the team back at QB for a number of years. This team has a lot of holes to fill, and this draft is starting to look deep in some of those areas. I would not be upset if the team filled other needs, and went QB in 2020; which is shaping up to be a very strong/deep QB class. Just because this QB is the tallest midget in the room, doesn't make him a smart pick at #6.
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?
You just said "Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future." So we are going to suck with Eli but then you say we won't be in position to get a top 10 pick? Which is it? If we have to trade up so be it. The Rams, Eagles, Texans, and Chiefs just traded up for QB's. How did that work out for them?
RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins Â
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers won 9 games in 3 of those years. So that’s 4/7 with a winning record and 3 a win away from the playoffs. I love Eli but Rivers has been a better quarterback for at least 3 years now.
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
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Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
If Gettleman takes a QB that he isn't sold on just for the sake of taking a QB he should be shown the door promptly.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers won 9 games in 3 of those years. So that’s 4/7 with a winning record and 3 a win away from the playoffs. I love Eli but Rivers has been a better quarterback for at least 3 years now.
Rivers failed to make the playoffs in 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. 4 straight years.
also had a 4 win season and a 5 win season, and I've been lectured on BBI several times that good QB's not have those types of years, let alone two of them.
There is a lot of inconsistency when discussing Rivers. He's been the victim of a bad team while eli is the cause of a bad team....
None of you know whether Haskins is worth the pick. Even resident scout Sy seems to be unsure.
That's offensive. Some of these guys who want Haskins haven't actually seen Haskins play but they did watch a 5 minute highlight video so they are more informed than the Giants scouting department.
"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
1 anybody doesn't like this kid (I'm not saying he's Warren Moon but everything he's shown so far is pretty impressive)
2 why you want to kick the QB can down the road yet again?
3 why you think its prudent to assume we will be in a good position to draft a QB next year (let's say the good QBs go early then and we are 8-8 this season and are drafting 15th)
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Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
If Gettleman takes a QB that he isn't sold on just for the sake of taking a QB he should be shown the door promptly.
"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Bingo.
Well said.
RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins Â
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.
Why because they don’t like the guy you do? This is the exact garbage that has brought this site way down the past few years. I personally like the kid but I can understand the argument against and wanting to wait until 2020 draft for the next big qb draft. Where I disagree is we will improve enough this offseason to put us to far out of reach to get one of them. If they are sold on him get him at 6. If he’s the guy than it don’t matter 6 or 15. If not go elsewhere that simple. But I guess on the “ new” bbi we can’t have disagreements without ridicule as if anyone actually knows what the front office thinks
what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Basically we don't want to force a pick. At #6 you have a chance to draft an elite/impact player. Taking a QB at six,to fill a need, when you don't believe he is elite could set the team back at QB for a number of years. This team has a lot of holes to fill, and this draft is starting to look deep in some of those areas. I would not be upset if the team filled other needs, and went QB in 2020; which is shaping up to be a very strong/deep QB class. Just because this QB is the tallest midget in the room, doesn't make him a smart pick at #6.
to declare this year. His stock is about as high as it's going to get.
I am still disappointed in the selection of Barkley over a QB. And we still need a QB sitting in the #6 hole. But Haskins is not the answer.
Quite a predicament the boys at Jints Central have created - no idea what they are going to do with Eli (well, what Mara wants to do), an unwillingness to play Lauletta in insignificant games to see his ability under live fire, never played Tanney...which means the next QB is unlikely on the roster...no chance we get into the Foles sweepstakes (which would be smart), not the best market with FA QBs this year, etc.
"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Bingo.
Well said.
So, by that logic, we should eliminate Tua and Fromm next year and Trevor Lawrence the year after that.
speak in absolutes when talking about draft prospects. There is a great deal of sensitivity around Eli and the future QB position as well. I really don’t think it’s necessary to bring Eli into the conversation when talking about prospects anymore.
1 anybody doesn't like this kid (I'm not saying he's Warren Moon but everything he's shown so far is pretty impressive)
2 why you want to kick the QB can down the road yet again?
3 why you think its prudent to assume we will be in a good position to draft a QB next year (let's say the good QBs go early then and we are 8-8 this season and are drafting 15th)
For some of us it isn't that we don't like the kid. We are just very concerned that he only started for one season, plays in a simple offense, has played behind a great offensive line so we don't know how he will handle consistent pressure in his face.
Ok so everyone who wants a QB from the 2020 draft... Â
2019, We take a stud at #6 like OT Williams or a D-Lineman, and have a very solid draft. OBJ is back, the line is much better, we win a couple of the toss up games we should have won this year and we go 9-7. How are we getting a QB in the 2020 draft if we are picking 19 or 20? Are you prepared to trade away the next two years of high picks to get to 4? I like Haskins over Herbert and its not close right now. Walter Football is a good site. Here's who they have ranked in their 2020 mock right now:
1. Tua- Durability could be an issue
2. Fromm- Struggled in big games this year
4. Herbert- Had a bad 2nd half
22. Eason- Hasn't played a game in over a year.
So you would rather pass on a guy like Haskins, who just threw 50 TD passes for that crapshoot?? Makes no sense to kick the can down the road AGAIN. Link - ( New Window )
He only has year under his belt and was in the middle of a loaded offense. Most of his production came off high percentage throws that his playmakers took for big games. However, a lot of YAC falls on the QB as well and his short throw accuracy is probably the easiest thing to see. We certainly have the playmakers for him to do the same here and Shurmur's offense isn't that dissimilar to what they are running at OSU. I don't see him as being anymore raw than most rookie QBs but he's a gamble, that's what it is. You're doing a lot of projecting with him. We're in a position to have to gamble though. Giants are in a tough spot.
I don't know how to evaluate Haskins. I watch him standing behind that top o-line and throwing to top receivers and wonder how he'd do at Duke.
How was Baker Mayfield's offensive line in college?
Baker had the best QBR against pressure his senior year in college, maybe even his junior year but i cannot confirm that. Baker balled with or without a pocket.
Lets wait for the "dust to settle" (senior bowl, combine, interviews) before we decide who is the best option at quarterback. Between the ears is maybe more important than physical skills.
I do think based off watching interviews of these guys, the Giants will like Haskins and Jones the most.
but to me it's a good sign that the strongest criticism seems to be that his OL was too good. If that's all you got (not size, mobility, arm strength, football IQ or off field issues) then I'd say he deserves a serious look.
None of you know whether Haskins is worth the pick. Even resident scout Sy seems to be unsure.
Oh come-on. We are all just giving our opinions, and none of us are experts (except maybe for Sy). But at this point, if the experts are unsure, he's probably not someone we should be discussing as the future franchise guy that you want to pick at #6; maybe his performance at the combine will clear things up a little better.
"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Well said Milton. Haskins is going to be under a big, bright microscope at the Combine.
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Too bad there's 0 chance the Giants draft him.
Next.
And you know this how???
Because Gettleman doesn't reach for an inferior QB just because he plays QB.
inferior to who exactly?
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
you're delousional
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Has no clue what Dottino predicted last year yet keeps posting like he does
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
well said
Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers has been playing at a higher level than Eli though
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
No, but it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?
Agreed!
How was Baker Mayfield's offensive line in college?
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers has been playing at a higher level than Eli though
Based on what? Leading the league in INTs twice? Leading the league in gsme ending INTs for a few years? Some years he was better, some years he was worse.
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He can learn from him and it gives us time to finish the line.
No, Gettleman takes BPA. Haskins not even close to the BPA at #6.
Paul Dottino already definitely said, the Giants will absolutely not draft Haskins.
Stop with this. Not happening.
Lol the dotino argument when has he ever been right?
Lol when have you ever been right?
Or the ILB White from LSU, guy is a complete stud
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.
How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?
You just said "Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future." So we are going to suck with Eli but then you say we won't be in position to get a top 10 pick? Which is it? If we have to trade up so be it. The Rams, Eagles, Texans, and Chiefs just traded up for QB's. How did that work out for them?
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers won 9 games in 3 of those years. So that’s 4/7 with a winning record and 3 a win away from the playoffs. I love Eli but Rivers has been a better quarterback for at least 3 years now.
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
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Get ready for another year of Eli Manning.
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
If Gettleman takes a QB that he isn't sold on just for the sake of taking a QB he should be shown the door promptly.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Was it over for the chargers when rivers failed to make the playoffs 7 of 8 years?
Rivers won 9 games in 3 of those years. So that’s 4/7 with a winning record and 3 a win away from the playoffs. I love Eli but Rivers has been a better quarterback for at least 3 years now.
Rivers failed to make the playoffs in 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. 4 straight years.
There is a lot of inconsistency when discussing Rivers. He's been the victim of a bad team while eli is the cause of a bad team....
That's offensive. Some of these guys who want Haskins haven't actually seen Haskins play but they did watch a 5 minute highlight video so they are more informed than the Giants scouting department.
2 why you want to kick the QB can down the road yet again?
3 why you think its prudent to assume we will be in a good position to draft a QB next year (let's say the good QBs go early then and we are 8-8 this season and are drafting 15th)
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Get ready for another year of Eli Manning.
Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.
If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.
If Gettleman takes a QB that he isn't sold on just for the sake of taking a QB he should be shown the door promptly.
This.
And he will not be sold on Haskins.
All you Haskins lovers - keep wasting your time.
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"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Bingo.
Well said.
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.
Why because they don’t like the guy you do? This is the exact garbage that has brought this site way down the past few years. I personally like the kid but I can understand the argument against and wanting to wait until 2020 draft for the next big qb draft. Where I disagree is we will improve enough this offseason to put us to far out of reach to get one of them. If they are sold on him get him at 6. If he’s the guy than it don’t matter 6 or 15. If not go elsewhere that simple. But I guess on the “ new” bbi we can’t have disagreements without ridicule as if anyone actually knows what the front office thinks
Thank you. What's funny is when you criticize Eli the offensive line is the 1st thing mentioned.
Get BPA which is very likely a DL / LB or OL
QB in 2020
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.
Basically we don't want to force a pick. At #6 you have a chance to draft an elite/impact player. Taking a QB at six,to fill a need, when you don't believe he is elite could set the team back at QB for a number of years. This team has a lot of holes to fill, and this draft is starting to look deep in some of those areas. I would not be upset if the team filled other needs, and went QB in 2020; which is shaping up to be a very strong/deep QB class. Just because this QB is the tallest midget in the room, doesn't make him a smart pick at #6.
Were you saying this last year?
Pass.
Hell, evaluating a guy with a bad OL might be harder. Are you seeing him reacting to pressure or is he just skittish.
Seems like a really ignorant thing to challenge.
I am still disappointed in the selection of Barkley over a QB. And we still need a QB sitting in the #6 hole. But Haskins is not the answer.
Quite a predicament the boys at Jints Central have created - no idea what they are going to do with Eli (well, what Mara wants to do), an unwillingness to play Lauletta in insignificant games to see his ability under live fire, never played Tanney...which means the next QB is unlikely on the roster...no chance we get into the Foles sweepstakes (which would be smart), not the best market with FA QBs this year, etc.
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"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Bingo.
Well said.
So, by that logic, we should eliminate Tua and Fromm next year and Trevor Lawrence the year after that.
Top line and top wide receivers? I don't know about that. All I know is that he looked a heck of a lot better than JT Barrett.
2 why you want to kick the QB can down the road yet again?
3 why you think its prudent to assume we will be in a good position to draft a QB next year (let's say the good QBs go early then and we are 8-8 this season and are drafting 15th)
For some of us it isn't that we don't like the kid. We are just very concerned that he only started for one season, plays in a simple offense, has played behind a great offensive line so we don't know how he will handle consistent pressure in his face.
1. Tua- Durability could be an issue
2. Fromm- Struggled in big games this year
4. Herbert- Had a bad 2nd half
22. Eason- Hasn't played a game in over a year.
So you would rather pass on a guy like Haskins, who just threw 50 TD passes for that crapshoot?? Makes no sense to kick the can down the road AGAIN.
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Those guys have failed at almost three times the rate of QB's who started more than a season in similar draft slots.
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I don't know how to evaluate Haskins. I watch him standing behind that top o-line and throwing to top receivers and wonder how he'd do at Duke.
How was Baker Mayfield's offensive line in college?
Baker had the best QBR against pressure his senior year in college, maybe even his junior year but i cannot confirm that. Baker balled with or without a pocket.
Lets wait for the "dust to settle" (senior bowl, combine, interviews) before we decide who is the best option at quarterback. Between the ears is maybe more important than physical skills.
I do think based off watching interviews of these guys, the Giants will like Haskins and Jones the most.
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"he had a great OL" thing is such garbage. So now it's a negative if a QB has a good OL in college?
It's a negative if there is an important element missing from the evaluation process. If you don't know how a QB will perform under pressure, if you don't know how fast a QB can go through his progressions to find the open man, if you don't of a QB's ability to turn his back to the defense when executing play action and then turn and find the open man, then how in the hell can you justify spending a top ten pick on him? Haskins isn't the only strong-armed QB in the draft who can complete passes from a clean pocket. That doesn't make him stand out from the crowd.
Well said Milton. Haskins is going to be under a big, bright microscope at the Combine.