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OSU's Dwayne Haskins Jr. officially declares for NFL Draft

Anakim : 1/7/2019 2:35 pm
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RE: RE: RE: It seems highly unlikely that the Giants will draft Haskins at 6.  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14252490 Jay on the Island said:
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Get ready for another year of Eli Manning.

Your franchise QB is most likely being drafted in 2020, and I'm sure at that point the Giants will do whatever they have to in the event a trade up is necessary.


If Gettleman passes on a QB 2 straights years, he should be shown the door promptly.


If Gettleman takes a QB that he isn't sold on just for the sake of taking a QB he should be shown the door promptly.

When are you ever completely sold on any player not named Saquon? Even if you have a conviction, that won't mean you won't get it wrong. You guys have to stop with the Getttleman being sold on a QB narrative. We need to move on.
RE: Fromm struggles against Alabama?  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14252518 dep026 said:
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Interesting...

Am I crazy? Fromm played very well against Alabama. He had one bad game last season and that was against LSU. Against Alabama he completed 64% of his passes for 301 yards 3 td's and 0 int's. If that is considered struggling sign me up.
I am not in the Haskins camp  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 3:39 pm : link
No way is he worth the 6th pick Give me Josh Allen Ferrell
or one of the Williams from Bama DT LT .
Get the QB in 2020 if Herbert was in the draft I would
look to move up and get him .
RE: Ok so everyone who wants a QB from the 2020 draft...  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14252516 Dmartin said:
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2019, We take a stud at #6 like OT Williams or a D-Lineman, and have a very solid draft. OBJ is back, the line is much better, we win a couple of the toss up games we should have won this year and we go 9-7. How are we getting a QB in the 2020 draft if we are picking 19 or 20? Are you prepared to trade away the next two years of high picks to get to 4? I like Haskins over Herbert and its not close right now. Walter Football is a good site. Here's who they have ranked in their 2020 mock right now:

1. Tua- Durability could be an issue
2. Fromm- Struggled in big games this year
4. Herbert- Had a bad 2nd half
22. Eason- Hasn't played a game in over a year.

So you would rather pass on a guy like Haskins, who just threw 50 TD passes for that crapshoot?? Makes no sense to kick the can down the road AGAIN. Link - ( New Window )

Couldn't have said it better!
RE: 'Dwayne' is not a name for a QB.  
Beer Man : 1/7/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14252508 MOOPS said:
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Especially in New York.

Pass.
LOL
The thing that brings this fan comfort, is the fact that  
Big Blue '56 : 1/7/2019 3:40 pm : link
we have a highly respected QB maven in Shurmur. We’re not talking HC abilities, just QB evaluation.

If he passes on Haskins, there’s your answer. If he takes him, there’s your answer.

RE: RE: I laugh at BBI draft experts  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14252526 Beer Man said:
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None of you know whether Haskins is worth the pick. Even resident scout Sy seems to be unsure.

Oh come-on. We are all just giving our opinions, and none of us are experts (except maybe for Sy). But at this point, if the experts are unsure, he's probably not someone we should be discussing as the future franchise guy that you want to pick at #6; maybe his performance at the combine will clear things up a little better.

I don't know how throwing to uncovered WR's in shorts at the combine is going to clear anything up.
I look at urban Meyer QBs  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 3:41 pm : link
Like I do Coach K point guards. They are highly productive but don’t translate to the pro game.
I'd be thrilled if we drafted him,  
barens : 1/7/2019 3:42 pm : link
he's a heck of a player. I remember last year, he stepped into the Michigan game when Ohio State was down and struggling mightily, in Michigan against one of the top defenses in the country, and they couldn't stop him.

RE: no idea about him  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14252525 bluepepper said:
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but to me it's a good sign that the strongest criticism seems to be that his OL was too good. If that's all you got (not size, mobility, arm strength, football IQ or off field issues) then I'd say he deserves a serious look.

+1
RE: I look at urban Meyer QBs  
Heisenberg : 1/7/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14252541 dep026 said:
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Like I do Coach K point guards. They are highly productive but don’t translate to the pro game.


RE: I look at urban Meyer QBs  
Beer Man : 1/7/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14252541 dep026 said:
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Like I do Coach K point guards. They are highly productive but don’t translate to the pro game.
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RE: RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 3:44 pm : link
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.


Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.



Why because they don’t like the guy you do? This is the exact garbage that has brought this site way down the past few years. I personally like the kid but I can understand the argument against and wanting to wait until 2020 draft for the next big qb draft. Where I disagree is we will improve enough this offseason to put us to far out of reach to get one of them. If they are sold on him get him at 6. If he’s the guy than it don’t matter 6 or 15. If not go elsewhere that simple. But I guess on the “ new” bbi we can’t have disagreements without ridicule as if anyone actually knows what the front office thinks

How are waiting for 2020 when nothing gauranted on who's coming out or what our draft position is? I love hearing these ridiculous ideas when no one can predict the future. So let's pass on a QB this year who may or may not be the answer for a QB next year who may or may not be the answer.Is that right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.


If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.


How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?


You just said "Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future." So we are going to suck with Eli but then you say we won't be in position to get a top 10 pick? Which is it? If we have to trade up so be it. The Rams, Eagles, Texans, and Chiefs just traded up for QB's. How did that work out for them?

What the hell are you talking about. I'm for drafting Haskins this year not holding on to Eli.
It's more simple than that..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
just hit on 1st round draft picks consistently and build a winner.

The QB talk is counter-productive to that strategy.
RE: RE: I look at urban Meyer QBs  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
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Like I do Coach K point guards. They are highly productive but don’t translate to the pro game.





I thought he played more of the 2 for Duke. I thought Nolan Smith was the PG.
RE: Fromm struggles against Alabama?  
Dmartin : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14252518 dep026 said:
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Interesting...

played well vs Bama. He struggled against LSU and Texas. And they just ran the ball vs Texas. I was high on him and watched that Texas game which was alarming.
RE: 'Dwayne' is not a name for a QB.  
Dutch77 : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14252508 MOOPS said:
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Especially in New York.

Pass.

Really, what does that mean?
I really think the  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 3:46 pm : link
"let's wait for the 2020" class thing is quite dumb. You never know how those other QBs are going to fare, where our pick will be, etc. There are a ton of unknowns. What we do know is that our pick right now is #6, and Haskins is a really good prospect.
RE: Rivers..  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14252493 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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also had a 4 win season and a 5 win season, and I've been lectured on BBI several times that good QB's not have those types of years, let alone two of them.

There is a lot of inconsistency when discussing Rivers. He's been the victim of a bad team while eli is the cause of a bad team....


Well, Rivers does have a lifetime record of 118-90. And he's had 3 losing seasons out of 13.

Yes, he'd had some dark seasons, but he's responded the last two seasons. That division was out of their grasp for several years when Manning came to Denver. Those Denver teams were stacked.

The Chargers were a playoff team last year if they didn't have a high school kicker the first quarter of the season. So Rivers has demonstrated that he's still a great QB and can lead a team.



Michigan  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 3:48 pm : link
was regarded as one of the best defenses in all of college football this season. Haskins made them look like a JV high school defense.
As someone who wanted a QB last year  
GiantGrit : 1/7/2019 3:50 pm : link
I love the Saquon pick now because it really makes our next qb choice MUCH safer.

If you build the offensive line some more and put a young quarterback into a system built on a great run game with elite skill players around him, he has a much better chance of succeeding as well as the TEAM.

You basically lower your bust chance because the guy won't have to be elite to ensure the offense is successful. You also can take the time needed to gradually progress his game, not asking too much of him all the time.

This is not in support of, or against Haskins. Rather a point to the crowd that thinks the sky is falling if the Giants don't take a qb at 6. There is an excellent argument to be made the choice i just laid out is makes much more sense for the team as is constructed.

Watching Philly made me depressed because it showed how having an elite offensive line really elevates your chances of winning on any given day. The story of the Colts - Texans game? Houston's defensive line got dominated. Lost in the Parkey noise? Mack had one sack and often times was MIA. Philly's offensive line won that game. They took away Chicago's biggest strength. Building that line remains priority #1 in my humble opinion.
RE: The thing that brings this fan comfort, is the fact that  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14252535 Big Blue '56 said:
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we have a highly respected QB maven in Shurmur. We’re not talking HC abilities, just QB evaluation.

If he passes on Haskins, there’s your answer. If he takes him, there’s your answer.


Yes, his work with Lauletta has been sublime.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 3:50 pm : link
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.


If Haskins is the pick he won't be ready in 2019 anyway so you need a stopgap. My plan is to go with Eli for one more year and then target a QB in 2020. I prefer Fromm but there will be a few other good options.


How do expect to do that without giving up future draft picks? With as much parity in the league do you think we will have another 5 or less win season to be in the top 10?


You just said "Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future." So we are going to suck with Eli but then you say we won't be in position to get a top 10 pick? Which is it? If we have to trade up so be it. The Rams, Eagles, Texans, and Chiefs just traded up for QB's. How did that work out for them?


What the hell are you talking about. I'm for drafting Haskins this year not holding on to Eli.

Holy shit I have to explain to you what you said. You said the Giants will suck with Eli if they stick with him next season. You then said the Giants won't be in position to draft a QB because they won't be bad enough to get a top 10 pick. If Eli sucks we will have a top 10 pick so you contradicted yourself.
RE: Michigan  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14252562 ryanmkeane said:
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was regarded as one of the best defenses in all of college football this season. Haskins made them look like a JV high school defense.


They didn’t have to wash Haskins jersey after the game which is the point everyone is making.
RE: I really think the  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14252559 ryanmkeane said:
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"let's wait for the 2020" class thing is quite dumb. You never know how those other QBs are going to fare, where our pick will be, etc. There are a ton of unknowns. What we do know is that our pick right now is #6, and Haskins is a really good prospect.


Absolutely. Dumb is an understatement.

I'm sure the rest of the league is eager to cooperate to make sure the Giants get what they want...
RE: RE: Rivers..  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 3:53 pm : link
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also had a 4 win season and a 5 win season, and I've been lectured on BBI several times that good QB's not have those types of years, let alone two of them.

There is a lot of inconsistency when discussing Rivers. He's been the victim of a bad team while eli is the cause of a bad team....



Well, Rivers does have a lifetime record of 118-90. And he's had 3 losing seasons out of 13.

Yes, he'd had some dark seasons, but he's responded the last two seasons. That division was out of their grasp for several years when Manning came to Denver. Those Denver teams were stacked.

The Chargers were a playoff team last year if they didn't have a high school kicker the first quarter of the season. So Rivers has demonstrated that he's still a great QB and can lead a team.




And yesterday proved he still needs that defense to carry him ;)


Plus I rather have a high school kicker than a big 12 defense for the majority of Eli’s last half of his career.
With a decent OL  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 3:54 pm : link
and Saquon, I'm fairly confident that Haskins will be a very good NFL quarterback if we were to draft him. Guy has all the tools and is already going through his progressions nicely after 14 college starts.

What exactly are his negatives when it comes to his passing?
RE: As someone who wanted a QB last year  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14252566 GiantGrit said:
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I love the Saquon pick now because it really makes our next qb choice MUCH safer.

If you build the offensive line some more and put a young quarterback into a system built on a great run game with elite skill players around him, he has a much better chance of succeeding as well as the TEAM.

You basically lower your bust chance because the guy won't have to be elite to ensure the offense is successful. You also can take the time needed to gradually progress his game, not asking too much of him all the time.

This is not in support of, or against Haskins. Rather a point to the crowd that thinks the sky is falling if the Giants don't take a qb at 6. There is an excellent argument to be made the choice i just laid out is makes much more sense for the team as is constructed.

Watching Philly made me depressed because it showed how having an elite offensive line really elevates your chances of winning on any given day. The story of the Colts - Texans game? Houston's defensive line got dominated. Lost in the Parkey noise? Mack had one sack and often times was MIA. Philly's offensive line won that game. They took away Chicago's biggest strength. Building that line remains priority #1 in my humble opinion.

You can build up the offensive line and find your QB. All four teams minus the Colts traded up for their starting QB's.
What the hell  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2019 3:54 pm : link
does Phil Rivers have to do with Dwayne Haskins? Good grief, it's like groundhog day around here with the same debates over and over, nobody ever gives an inch, just becomes more entrenched in their opinion. Repeat.
Haskins will be a stud  
GoBlue6599 : 1/7/2019 3:55 pm : link
Main arguments against him is his OL is to good lol only on BBI where everything comes back to the OL.. Haskins just smashed all sort of B1G passing records and destroyed the top ranked Michigan defense 2 years in a row. I wonder why all OSU QBs don’t throw 50tds since there competition is always so inferior
Haskins is a no brainer pick.. now let’s see if the Giants won’t screw that up or if they’ll trot out that Dinosaur Eli Manning and his huge cap number
Anything to sell those PSLs
If Haskins is as good as some of you say  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 3:56 pm : link
he shouldn't be there for the Giants at 6. Time will tell.
RE: If Haskins is as good as some of you say  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14252581 Jay on the Island said:
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he shouldn't be there for the Giants at 6. Time will tell.


Exactly. Oakland, TB, or even a Jacksonville trade up will happen.
RE: RE: RE: I look at urban Meyer QBs  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14252556 dep026 said:
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I thought he played more of the 2 for Duke. I thought Nolan Smith was the PG.


This is true, but it was only for like 10 games anyway.
RE: RE: The thing that brings this fan comfort, is the fact that  
Big Blue '56 : 1/7/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14252567 bw in dc said:
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we have a highly respected QB maven in Shurmur. We’re not talking HC abilities, just QB evaluation.

If he passes on Haskins, there’s your answer. If he takes him, there’s your answer.




Yes, his work with Lauletta has been sublime.


We don’t know what he’s accomplished with KL, but he was a 4th round pick. That’s where Shurmur probably evaluated him project-wise. Haskins may go high in Round 1 and might very well be someone’s franchise guy. You’re actually are comparing a 4th rounder with a 1st rounder?
RE: RE: RE: RE: So for all you fans that don't like Haskins  
eli4life : 1/7/2019 3:58 pm : link
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what's your plan for 2019? Another year of Eli? You realize the Giants have missed the playoffs 6/7 years and they started 1-7 again this year. Tear the band-aid off. It's over. Haskins can make all the throws and has enough mobility to be really good in this league.


Don't tell them anything. They would rather lose with a 40 year old Eli than attempt to look towards the future. Can't seem to move on.



Why because they don’t like the guy you do? This is the exact garbage that has brought this site way down the past few years. I personally like the kid but I can understand the argument against and wanting to wait until 2020 draft for the next big qb draft. Where I disagree is we will improve enough this offseason to put us to far out of reach to get one of them. If they are sold on him get him at 6. If he’s the guy than it don’t matter 6 or 15. If not go elsewhere that simple. But I guess on the “ new” bbi we can’t have disagreements without ridicule as if anyone actually knows what the front office thinks


How are waiting for 2020 when nothing gauranted on who's coming out or what our draft position is? I love hearing these ridiculous ideas when no one can predict the future. So let's pass on a QB this year who may or may not be the answer for a QB next year who may or may not be the answer.Is that right?


Maybe you should learn to read and get to me where I said we should wait.
RE: RE: RE: I look at urban Meyer QBs  
Heisenberg : 1/7/2019 3:59 pm : link
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Like I do Coach K point guards. They are highly productive but don’t translate to the pro game.







I thought he played more of the 2 for Duke. I thought Nolan Smith was the PG.


It was a bit of a cheat on my part. He got hurt and missed most of the only season he played there. Played like 10 games. Maybe that saved him from getting ruined by Coach K. :)
RE: With a decent OL  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14252574 ryanmkeane said:
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and Saquon, I'm fairly confident that Haskins will be a very good NFL quarterback if we were to draft him. Guy has all the tools and is already going through his progressions nicely after 14 college starts.

What exactly are his negatives when it comes to his passing?


Not going to find many negatives about his arm. Probably watched more of the kid than anybody here. He has great arm talent and can hit all the throws. Most knocks seem to be based on the talent around him (silly), and how he'll translate from a spread QB friendly system to a pro style offense. Which is a more valid concern. He didn't take a snap from under center all season so there will be a significant transition. I believe in the talent but he'd be best served to sit for a bit before starting. Don't think he should be a day 1 starter. Fortunately we can offer that scenario.
RE: If Haskins is as good as some of you say  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 3:59 pm : link
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he shouldn't be there for the Giants at 6. Time will tell.

Normally I'd agree but every single team ahead of us at 6 is not selecting a QB. Only way Haskins gets by us is if a team trades up which could certainly happen.
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Kyle in NY : 1/7/2019 4:00 pm : link
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he shouldn't be there for the Giants at 6. Time will tell.



Exactly. Oakland, TB, or even a Jacksonville trade up will happen.


I do think there's a good possibility we cannot get him without a trade up
Oakland  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 4:00 pm : link
and Tampa are not drafting a quarterback.
RE: RE: If Haskins is as good as some of you say  
Big Blue '56 : 1/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
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he shouldn't be there for the Giants at 6. Time will tell.



Exactly. Oakland, TB, or even a Jacksonville trade up will happen.


And if Shurmur is high on him, there’s no reason to believe we might not move up to get him, just like the other teams. The question is, is he the guy?
I guess  
Pep22 : 1/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
Coach K was responsible for a truck driver falling asleep (Bobby Hurley's career ender) and Jayson Williams motor cycle accident.
RE: The Giants are on the doorstep to  
MBavaro : 1/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14252425 larryflower37 said:
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And gettleman knows this.
It's time to take a QB early.
Haskins, Jones, or Lock are it.
Everyone acting like they are in the know are forgetting that comment.
I prefer Haskins and hope we step up and take him.
Future is now.


True, but......
Reaching for a QB who doesn't pan out is how you go busting through that door, full speed.....
I am not against drafting Haskins if the Giants like him  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2019 4:02 pm : link
I just have concerns about his inexperience mostly. We have seen QB's in college have a great season and they fall off the map like Hackenberg who would have been a high 1st round pick after his first year had he been eligible to come out.
Giants are the  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2019 4:02 pm : link
1st team in the draft that needs a quarterback. It's a good position to be in. Unlike last year, where we were 2nd in line behind Cleveland.
RE: Oakland  
Pep22 : 1/7/2019 4:02 pm : link
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and Tampa are not drafting a quarterback.


Man I hate posts like this. How the fuck do you know?
RE: Oakland  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 4:03 pm : link
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and Tampa are not drafting a quarterback.



They should.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/7/2019 4:03 pm : link
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and Tampa are not drafting a quarterback.



Man I hate posts like this. How the fuck do you know?


It’s his opinion. NO ONE truly knows
RE: Giants are the  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 4:04 pm : link
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1st team in the draft that needs a quarterback. It's a good position to be in. Unlike last year, where we were 2nd in line behind Cleveland.


TB and Oakland need one too.
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