I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
Haskins will be worth it.. his downfield accuracy would bring out the best in OBJ and Engram.. we also get to see the OL block for a QB who wont be a sitting duck.. Haskins could rejuvenate this whole franchise
Haskins has no downfield accuracy. He struggles to throw the deep ball.
What I really like about Haskins is his deep ball accuracy. How many times over the past two seasons have we seen Beckham have 2-3 steps or more on a DB and Eli misses him?
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
How can you say that last sentence? I'm not even a huge Haskins guy but that is bullshit. No one knows if any of those three will be good. Why are people on here pretending like Tua and Fromm have't also benefited from having some awesome talent beside them?
I also do not understand the "1 read" complaints on Hasksins considering a lot of film junkies have said he reads defenses well.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
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Haskins will be worth it.. his downfield accuracy would bring out the best in OBJ and Engram.. we also get to see the OL block for a QB who wont be a sitting duck.. Haskins could rejuvenate this whole franchise
Haskins has no downfield accuracy. He struggles to throw the deep ball. [/quote
has all of 14 career starts and looks like a polished passer already. He'd be worth it at #6 if he aces interviews and combine. Seems like a grounded kid with a good work ethic.
And that is the key right there. 20 years old. 14 starts. Already very accurate and goes through progressions. Absolutely incredible ceiling with him.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
Their are bust percentage metrics based on the number of years stating and project draft round... So yes 1 more year of football does lower their bust potential according to the metrics.
A whole additional year's worth of data points, 3 total years for both. With a larger sample size, you have a much larger degree of certainty that was you are seeing is real rather that a one or 2 play anomaly.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
You are still not a college QB scouting expert.
He still has only 1 year of tape (only 4 games for you) and pretty much all against lower talent levels.
He is still in a QB friendly situation that makes him almost impossible to evaluate. EVEN THE REAL EXPERTS agree on that.
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
You are still not a college QB scouting expert.
He still has only 1 year of tape (only 4 games for you) and pretty much all against lower talent levels.
He is still in a QB friendly situation that makes him almost impossible to evaluate. EVEN THE REAL EXPERTS agree on that.
Haskins has never seen a Compressed Pocket, not once, in his entire time in college.
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
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Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks Â
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks Â
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks Â
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks Â
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Literally, the local HS where I occasionally help out, has the QB with that responsibility for as long as I can remember. So... I am calling BS on this one...
on Haskins is that it's hard to evaluate how good he truly is b/c he had so much time behind the Ohio State OL. But the kid was absolutely lights out, has a huge arm, stands tall in the pocket, scans the field, moves his eyes quickly through his progressions and throws a very accurate ball. He's not a runner at all but he has some elusiveness when he needs it. He's very young and only one yr of college experience but he also showed up and played very well in the biggest games. I truly don't understand what people dislike about his game. If he were a 2 year starter and played in a different conference I don't think anyone would question him going #1 overall.
This times 100. If he's a 2 year starter and performed a ton under pressure he's the number 1 overall.
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
I’m stating my opinion on Haskins. It’s a message board, that’s what we’re all doing.
There’s plenty of people out there who think is worth, and it’s likely at least one NFL team will too.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
Can we ban the dupe
For stating a fact?
Haskins is an awful QB.
Gettleman isn't drafting him.
You are either naive or completely retarded if u think otherwise.
When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
I wouldn't even take him at #38.
He's Byron Leftwich 2.0
Just a really really bad QB
Watch his tape against Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Nebraska. He is painful to watch. Everything he does is slow.
Kyle Lauletta fits Pat Shurmur/Dave Gettleman more than Haskins ever will.
When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
All the 2020 QBs you want have played with better talent then nearly every team they play. How is that a knock? Why are they more certain of prospects?
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
I’m calling BS here. Which “real expert” has said Haskins isn’t worth a top 6 pick? You stated this on another thread and your only point of reference was McShay who gave him the same grade he gave Mayfield last year and a higher one than he gave anyone in 2017. Not to mention, right there with Goff and Wentz.
They see a guy standing in clean pockets with all day to throw, throwing to wide open receivers because the secondary is forced to back off due to the time in the pocket, and pile up easy manufactured stats, and scream "Look at his production!"
Zero conceptual understanding of what makes a good NFL QB.
When I watch his game there are some things that concern me, bu there are concerns about almost every guy.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70’s have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
You sure you want to open up that can of worms? We could be here all night listening to his issues.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A good example of Haskins and his checks Â
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?
Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.
Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.
This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
Haskins has no downfield accuracy. He struggles to throw the deep ball.
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Do not waste a pick on a QB in this draft in any round. The time to do so was last spring and perhaps in 2020. OL, Edge, LB’s, FS.
Explain what you dislike about his game.
Throws a duck under the slightest hint of pressure. Absolutely horrendous under pressure.
Haskins is an awful deep ball thrower.
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Using assets to move up is a different story.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
How can you say that last sentence? I'm not even a huge Haskins guy but that is bullshit. No one knows if any of those three will be good. Why are people on here pretending like Tua and Fromm have't also benefited from having some awesome talent beside them?
I also do not understand the "1 read" complaints on Hasksins considering a lot of film junkies have said he reads defenses well.
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Using assets to move up is a different story.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
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he made Michigan look like Eastern Michigan out there.
that being said, it's fair to say that he is harder to evaluate because his talent just seemed superior to everything else out there.
Doesn't mean he's a bad player, just a tougher eval imo.
Michigan had 1 of the top defense in the country.. Haskins destroyed them
Yeah but the dog ate their homework.
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Haskins will be worth it.. his downfield accuracy would bring out the best in OBJ and Engram.. we also get to see the OL block for a QB who wont be a sitting duck.. Haskins could rejuvenate this whole franchise
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Not from the OSU games I watched.
And that is the key right there. 20 years old. 14 starts. Already very accurate and goes through progressions. Absolutely incredible ceiling with him.
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Using assets to move up is a different story.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
Their are bust percentage metrics based on the number of years stating and project draft round... So yes 1 more year of football does lower their bust potential according to the metrics.
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Using assets to move up is a different story.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
You are still not a college QB scouting expert.
He still has only 1 year of tape (only 4 games for you) and pretty much all against lower talent levels.
He is still in a QB friendly situation that makes him almost impossible to evaluate. EVEN THE REAL EXPERTS agree on that.
They are massive and control the Depth of the pocket. His Guards and Center are absolute walls.
He never has to throw from a dirty pocket, with anyone near his feet.
Every single time - 'clean pocket after clean pocket after clean pocket.
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
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Using assets to move up is a different story.
I’d wager the 2020 class isn’t going to be as highly regarded at this time next year.
They’re not the prospects they’re made out to be by some. A lot of question marks.
On what basis is Haskins worth he #6 pick. You state it as fact, with nothing to support it.
Are you a college QB expert, and has had the opportunity to study the all 22 for hours on end? Have you met with him and seen him throw? Have you done classroom sessions with him and can see that he has a deep understanding of the game and the position? Have you been able to review his ability to go through progressions and go through them at NFL caliber speed? Does he know where his checkdowns are? How about hot read? Have you timed his delivery? Have you studied his footwork? Can you evaluate his knowledge of blocking schemes and knowing where his escape routes are? Does he have a good feel for pressure? Can he throw under pressure?
I am not a college QB expert. I cannot say what attributes he has or doesn't have. I can say that he has clearly no demonstrated many of the attributes I listed above. He hasn't demonstrated them largely because he is only a 1 year starter, surround by talent way superior to his opponents and in a very friendly Urban Meyer QB system. The few times he has been under pressure has not performed up the level you would hope for, but it happens so rarely its hardly a valid sample. Taken as a whole, the situation he comes from means that he has a greater probability of failure that QBs from other situations. Haskins may turn out to be a great QB, Tua and Fromm may bust, but the probabilities are higher that the opposite will be true.
I’ve actually gotten 4 of his games in the All-22. He’s a smart football, he was responsible for some checks at the LOS, more than other Urban QBs
He makes all the throws. His ability to layer his throws through between levels is a rare trait. His hand talent and touch on the football is very good for QB with limited experience.
The issues with Haskins comes when he leaves too much weight on his back foot on deep balls, when he doesn’t his deep balls are very good. He’s also only really had responsibilities for half field progressions for most of the year. That changed as the year went on.
He improved as the year went on against pressure. If we’re worried about Haskins under pressure have you watched Tua? When he gets pressured his mental processing breaks down and he panics. He’s did it a number of times in the Georgia game and a perfect example is the spin sack he took right before the TD pass in last year’s title game.
Tua and Fromm have a whole year of football left, there’s no certainty their bust percentage is lower.
You are still not a college QB scouting expert.
He still has only 1 year of tape (only 4 games for you) and pretty much all against lower talent levels.
He is still in a QB friendly situation that makes him almost impossible to evaluate. EVEN THE REAL EXPERTS agree on that.
Haskins has never seen a Compressed Pocket, not once, in his entire time in college.
Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
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Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
Can we ban the dupe
My guess is another day three QB to compete with Lauletta.
let's keep drafting scrubs and hope they devlop right? Good plan.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
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Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Literally, the local HS where I occasionally help out, has the QB with that responsibility for as long as I can remember. So... I am calling BS on this one...
This times 100. If he's a 2 year starter and performed a ton under pressure he's the number 1 overall.
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And dismiss it anyway because I’m “not an expert”
Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
I’m stating my opinion on Haskins. It’s a message board, that’s what we’re all doing.
There’s plenty of people out there who think is worth, and it’s likely at least one NFL team will too.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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. Haskins blitz - ( New Window )
So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
The point is most college QBs don’t get that responsibility. You seem to not want to like Haskins, instead of keeping an open mind. You’ve made yours up, and anyone who thinks other wise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've watched plenty of Haskins. He is not impressive. Not a 1st round prospect.
Gettleman is an elite scout, and if you think he will be fooled by Haskins, you are out of your mind.
Gettleman isn't an idiot. He is not drafting Haskins.
Can we ban the dupe
For stating a fact?
Haskins is an awful QB.
Gettleman isn't drafting him.
You are either naive or completely retarded if u think otherwise.
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My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
Everything he does is slow.
Byron Leftwich 2.0
Atrocious.
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.
He is atrocious
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My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
I wouldn't even take him at #38.
He's Byron Leftwich 2.0
Just a really really bad QB
Watch his tape against Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Nebraska. He is painful to watch. Everything he does is slow.
Kyle Lauletta fits Pat Shurmur/Dave Gettleman more than Haskins ever will.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
All the 2020 QBs you want have played with better talent then nearly every team they play. How is that a knock? Why are they more certain of prospects?
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And dismiss it anyway because I’m “not an expert”
Ok. Nobody here should discuss prospects then.
I dismiss it because you state for a FACT that he is worth the #6 pick. Which is absolutely contrary to what almost every REAL expert out there is saying. And they have the benefit of all 14 games, talking to people around them, and in some cases probably talking to Haskins himself. So yeah, I tend to dismiss you're non-expert opinion as fact.
I’m calling BS here. Which “real expert” has said Haskins isn’t worth a top 6 pick? You stated this on another thread and your only point of reference was McShay who gave him the same grade he gave Mayfield last year and a higher one than he gave anyone in 2017. Not to mention, right there with Goff and Wentz.
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.
He is atrocious
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What are some of your previous handles?
Zero conceptual understanding of what makes a good NFL QB.
My point about Haskins is that he has not played long enough, and he has played with surrounding talent that is so superior to the opponent, that I think it's almost impossible to make a meaningful evaluation.
In the past prospect like this have a higher than normal bust rate. I don't like taking that kind of a chance at #6. At #38, yes, not #6.
Again, this is untrue. 3 QBs since the 70’s have made 15 or fewer starts and been first round picks. One bust (Sanchez), one hit (Cam Newton) and one jury is still out (Trubisky)
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You have to be football retarded to think this guy is a good QB.
He is atrocious
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What are some of your previous handles?
Ad hominem attack
Haskins is really really bad, and Dave Gettleman knows it.
He will be there at 6, and the Giants will easily pass without thinking twice.
Bottom line.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
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Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
You sure you want to open up that can of worms? We could be here all night listening to his issues.
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So what was I supposed to see there. That the OSU line adjusted very well to the overload and blitz on the offenses left side. And the fact that the line gave him all day long to hit a SHALLOW crossing route to a guy that was open by 5 yards...
Ok he saw the overload, walked to the line and made sure they knew who the mike was...
WOW, I'm impressed.
sarcasm off
Exactly.
Haskins is a fraud.
I beginning to think your issue with Haskins is deeper than his game.
It's exactly his game.
Haskins is a horrible QB
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I watched it, what are your issues?
He is really really bad in everything u look for in an NFL franchise QB?
Slow in everything he does, inaccurate, a sloth with no footwork, horrendous deep ball, throws a duck at the slightest hint of pressure, never makes an NFL throw, is totally useless under pressure, gets easy manufactured Completions in Urban Meyer's system.
Urban Meyer QBs don't succeed in the NFL for a reason. They are system QBs. Their gaudy stats in college are fraudulent and deceiving to casual football fans who don't know any better (like many in this thread). Alex Smith is the #1 Urban Meyer QB and he only did well in Andy Reid's West Coast college offense, and was mediocre at his peak.
This guy Haskins is worse than Alex Smith. Far worse.
Yea I think we’re done here. Back under the bridge for you.
The talk of Haskins-to-Giants is extremely annoying because
1) He sucks on the football field
2) It's never ever happening. I'll bet everything I own the Giants won't draft him.
Yea I think we’re done here. Back under the bridge for you.
He doesn't make NFL throws. All manufactured easy completions to wide open receivers.
Urban Meyer System QB, a poor man's Alex Smith. Nothing more.