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PFF's top Rated Giants Players in 2018

mittenedman : 1/7/2019 3:05 pm
(minimum 500 snaps)

1. WR Odell Beckham Jr - 90.0
2. ED Olivier Vernon - 86.3
3. RB Saquon Barkley - 85.9
4. DI Dalvin Tomlinson - 78.9
5. T Nate Solder - 74.2

Honorable Mention:

Snacks - 89.9 (traded)
Evan Engram - 76.5

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And a PFF tweet:

Matt Stopsky
@PFF_Stopsky
All of this Vernon hate is confusing. If you think 7 sacks, 46 pressures & 22 stops in 11 games makes him bad/invisible then your expectation of good is unrealistic or you aren't watching.

Additionally 5.5 of his 7 sacks were against Playoff teams. And he was playing through injury.

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I gotta say - interesting on Dalvin Tomlinson. I believe his mom passed away this year which could have affected his concentration as well. Apologies if I'm incorrect but his gloves had RIP MOM written on them all year, plus a midseason position switch. And something still bugs me about trading our best defensive player for a 5th - he must have been really malicious in the lockerroom.

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Soemtimes PFF can be clueless  
giantstock : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
How can;t they understand it;s all about the injuries with this guy.

Simply clueless.

Just silly they take no account for it. .
Vernon is a very good player  
djm : 1/7/2019 10:48 pm : link
Fans hate him because of his salary. Nothing more to say.
RE: How many times a game did Vernon lose containment???  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/8/2019 2:19 am : link
In comment 14252702 Rick in Dallas said:
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Opposing teams took advantage of his lack of containment on edge all season. It was mind numbing!!!!!


You have to think his injury may be worse than is being let on. He's an elite edge setter and he definitely took a step back there this year.
Vernon sucks  
SHO'NUFF : 1/8/2019 2:55 am : link
period.
RE: A lot of my hatred for the guy is he could have helped  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2019 6:00 am : link
The_Boss said:
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Earlier in the season but was hurt. By the time he got back, the season was over.
Ditto Evan Engram. The 2018 Giants were a thin team with enough good players to compete IF they had excellent luck with injuries. Overall, the team’s health wasn’t bad; I think the “games missed by starters” numbers are inflated by marginal guys like Halapio and Latimer. The killers, IMO, were Engram and Vernon. The month or so they missed, and the additional few weeks to round into form, rendered the second half of the season moot. Add the slow start by Solder (possibly injury-related, or maybe due to the mess all over the OL), and you had a team with too few good players already getting little or no help from several of the best.
RE: Re: Tomlinson's mom  
mittenedman : 1/8/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14252688 regulator said:
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she passed away in June 2011 but clearly has been a driving force in his life.

The bigger thing, IMO, was his position change to the 0/1 technique when Snacks was traded to DET. He performed admirably and I thought improved as the season went on, but needs to continue to add mass to play that position. Certainly a dropoff after Snacks, though. draft-time article - ( New Window )


Thanks regulator. I felt bad posting something I wasn't sure of.
I continue to be baffled at people who claim PFF is useless...  
lawguy9801 : 1/8/2019 11:55 am : link
....and dismiss it.

I'm sure there are some ratings that are off or may not accord with what the average TV viewer or game attendee (i.e. everyone on this thread) may perceive. But it's an objective -- albeit difficult -- attempt to grade every NFL player.

But don't NFL teams pay for their services? Shouldn't that suggest to the PFF naysayers that there is at least some value to what they do?

What would you pose as an alternative? Your half-drunk opinion watching one TV angle and a few highlights?

Unless you are analyzing the all-22 tape and assessing every player every week, I'll take PFF's opinion over yours.
Barkley's rating...  
x meadowlander : 1/8/2019 12:09 pm : link
...pass blocking and too many plays where he tried to make something happen instead of just hitting the hole.

Still, hard to believe he isn't the top-rated player on the team.
This has been discussed several times...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 1:55 pm : link
NFL teams pay strictly for their stat compilation:

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But don't NFL teams pay for their services? Shouldn't that suggest to the PFF naysayers that there is at least some value to what they do?


Snap counts. Formation breakdowns. Personnel groupings. All irrefutable metrics

Not a single NFL team pay for their analysis on player's or their ratings.
RE: I continue to be baffled at people who claim PFF is useless...  
JOrthman : 1/8/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14254062 lawguy9801 said:
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....and dismiss it.

I'm sure there are some ratings that are off or may not accord with what the average TV viewer or game attendee (i.e. everyone on this thread) may perceive. But it's an objective -- albeit difficult -- attempt to grade every NFL player.

But don't NFL teams pay for their services? Shouldn't that suggest to the PFF naysayers that there is at least some value to what they do?

What would you pose as an alternative? Your half-drunk opinion watching one TV angle and a few highlights?

Unless you are analyzing the all-22 tape and assessing every player every week, I'll take PFF's opinion over yours.


Because anything beyond the items Fatman mentioned are complete subject conjecture without inside knowledge.
RE: RE: RE: I don't get..  
adamg : 1/8/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14253224 section125 said:
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In comment 14252682 adamg said:


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In comment 14252426 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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the Vernon hate either, but his fragility to go with his price tag makes for a tough situation

There's a small contingent of racist Giants fans who think kneeling makes Vernon a bad person. The larger portion of haters just seems to undervalue him.



Yeah, that's it. Not that he loses contain a few times per game; rarely gets to the QB when it matters and makes some of the biggest boneheaded penalties at the worst time. No it is he kneels...

For $5 mill per he'd be ok. For $17 mill he's vastly over paid.


Did you read my comment or just respond in anger? I said a small contingent of fans. And they are here on games day in the game thread muttering about patriotism and bullshit. I wasn't talking about you.

The point of pay is fair. He likely is overpaid. But, he's still a top ER in the NFL. And that's worth a lot.
A big issue with PFF grades is  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 8:17 pm : link
That they are not situational...

A successful 8 yard slant play... The OL keeps the QB clean enough to make a good throw. The WR makes a good move gto get off the line clean and makes a good catch. Everbody on offense gets good grades right?

But...

Its a huge difference if it was 1st and 10 or 3rd and 10.

On 3rd and 10, that's a bad play. Maybe the WR didn't run deep enough. Maybe the QB should have held it longer to allow the routes to develop more. Maybe the OL needed to hold their blocks longer... Who knows, but it was a failure of a play, and doesn't deserve positive grades.
I like Vernon, but he's  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2019 8:38 pm : link
overpaid & is often injured.
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