Figured a separate game thread would be a good idea as to not cloud up the draft prospects thread with 300 other posts from other game-related stuff.
I know most of the world is already tired of this matchup. But they're the two best teams, and if the goal is to have the two best teams be left standing at the end, it's happening here.
We can debate the recruitment process and everything else until the cows come home, but that's for another day.
Saban vs. Dabo. Tua vs. Lawrence. Bama vs. Clemson.
Expecting another one to go down to the wire with these teams. They've been on a collision course all year. Now they're here.
Roll Tide, Roll!
I think Bama wins by 10+.
He's been undergoing a really crazy treatment schedule. Literally around the clock. Looked so much better against Oklahoma, though and seems to be as healthy as he's been in a while.
Both teams have plenty of future NFL players on their rosters and that just adds to the draw of watching this game for me.
I like Saban and Bama. I'm pulling for them and think they'll pull this one out but I expect a helluva game and wouldn't be surprised if Clemson wins.
They're well coached too and have been here before,only difference this time is a Frosh QB. A great talent but he hasn't been under lights as bright as these yet. If he plays like he's capable, this should be a great battle and I'm looking forward to it.
Lawrence doesn't pose a real running threat either.
Typically the Kryptonite for Saban - the mobile, improvising QB...
I think Bama wins by 10+.
I’m not sure why anyone would would hold “the weak ACC” against Clemson. I think they’ve proven over the past several years that they can play against anyone and beat anyone. And they have the best player on either side, imo. Trevor Lawrence. And I don’t care that he’s a Freshman. He’s not your average Freshman. He’s absolutely incredible.
But I would love if we took Lawrence ! Hope he has a solid
game . Clemson has always been one of my favorite teams
Along with Georgia Syracuse Texas Longhorns .
Quinnen Williams, Is a load and pretty likeable character
Too bad Dexter Lawrence is suspended . I think Alabama
is gonna take this one but I want Clemson to win .
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Saban vs a freshman Qb ( albeit a very good one) give me Saban
Lawrence doesn't pose a real running threat either.
Typically the Kryptonite for Saban - the mobile, improvising QB...
Lawrence doesn’t pose a real running threat? I think you’ve been watching the wrong guy. He may not do it a ton, but it’s definitely in his arsenal when he needs it.
I’m not sure why anyone would would hold “the weak ACC” against Clemson. I think they’ve proven over the past several years that they can play against anyone and beat anyone. And they have the best player on either side, imo. Trevor Lawrence. And I don’t care that he’s a Freshman. He’s not your average Freshman. He’s absolutely incredible.
I just don't think they've played the level of competition that Bama has played. Doesn't mean they can't win. They are a great, great program.
So I'm looking for an angle why I think Bama is more likely to win.
It has been a problem for a long time and for whatever reason, they can't seem to get it fixed. Remember that it was a missed kick (and a very makeable one) that made OT necessary last year against UGA.
So, as usual, I am crossing my fingers that this doesn't come down to needing to kick a FG at the gun.
...light up the Crimson Tide.
Clemson for the win.
Etienne on a long run and Ross/Higgins with chunk plays could be an equalizer, they’ve done it all year. Same can be said for Bamas WRs though
Irv Smith over Yards.
Tua over 2.5 TDS.
And Bama
Should be a little after 8 EST.
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950 PM EST? I was talking with a buddy last week about last year's title game & we both remember it starting incredibly late.
Should be a little after 8 EST.
Arc, yeah. God willing. I'd like to watch the entire game without being cranky tomorrow at work due to a lack of sleep.
Why would you do that to yourself!
Over TLaw 263
Over Jeudy 75
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I'm going to watch 1 quarter of this game with the MNF crew on ESPN News. I just want to see how bad they are at college football too.
Why would you do that to yourself!
Hahaha. I'll do it on beer 3 so the beer will numb the atrocious announcing.
Lawrence doesn’t pose a real running threat? I think you’ve been watching the wrong guy. He may not do it a ton, but it’s definitely in his arsenal when he needs it.
He's got 150 yards rushing for the season.
I’m with you. 2021 is so far off though.
I know Tua has been great this year, but they've gotten so pass happy. This isn't the same Alabama team that used to grind you down with the run and wallop you up front.
I know Tua has been great this year, but they've gotten so pass happy. This isn't the same Alabama team that used to grind you down with the run and wallop you up front.
Harris with a tough run.
he's unbelievably accurate
I don't understand why Saban can get 4 and 5 star recruits effortlessly everywhere else, but continually has problems with the kicker.
haha
LOL! That's funny. :)
To put it mildly lol. That was brutal.
Maybe Ferrell. He'll be taken around our spot.
Ferrell and the two Williamses are most likely.
Miss Lawrence.
That'll work! Nice call.
I can't believe they can't find someone better. He's going to cost them a game and I sure fucking hope it's not this one.
Give me some defense!
Yup. Arc knows his stuff.
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About Bama's kicker. Heckuva job pointing that out and there it is early on.
Yup. Arc knows his stuff.
+2.
he does in several of the mocks
I think he will be there
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I think he will be there
34 OLB a good fit?
Now he's got to kick.
Unbelievable.
Agree!
This is a really fun game.
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I think he will be there
34 OLB a good fit?
I think so.
To bad they aren’t both coming out in 2020
It would be interesting who would be selected first
To bad they aren’t both coming out in 2020
It would be interesting who would be selected first
they could be Brady - P. Manning part II
This is a really fun game.
Clemson has closed off their downtown, put the game on a big screen and suspended the open container rule. My kid has sent me some videos - looks crazy.
Attending one of these schools right now reminds me of my friend who went to Florida during their basketball and football run.
ND got beat pretty good by Clemson but their defense actually played a pretty solid game. Clemson didn't run the ball well (most of their yards came on one huge run by Etienne when the game was already over) and when Love was in the game they had less than 100 yards passing.
Clemson was far superior to ND, but ND's defense held up a lot better than Bama's is right now. ND got beat good in that game because their offense was trash and their main weakness (speed at receiver) was the one area Clemson struggled.
Brain cramp by Tua.
And you'll be wrong all 1000 times + however many more times you say it.
Dumb comment. He’s got a ton of NFL level skills. Injuries are another matter but the guy can play.
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Tua is not an NFL QB.
And you'll be wrong all 1000 times + however many more times you say it.
I'm not a scout, but Tua's accuracy looks impressive.
He's the same size as Mayfield.
He's very tough. He has plenty of arm strength and accuracy and is elusive but not a scrambler like Hurts.
It doesn't seem like you've spent much time watching him play. You're way off base.
Come on. He's going to be an NFL QB & a very good one @ that.
He'll be on the Pats, in the Welker, Amendola, Edelman, Hogan mold.
He's 12-15 for 153 yards and 2 Yes he's thrown a couple of terrible passes but saying that's "struggling" is a bit much coming from the chairman of the Eli Manning cheerleading squad.
I've been a huge fan since the spring scrimmage last year. He just looked like a pro from the get go.
Where did you see that?
When you watch him play live, his velocity and accuracy just are on a different level. When people have talked about seeing the difference in QB's before, I've never really seen it. Once I saw Lawrence, I knew what they meant, and the dude is a freshman!
They need a nice answer drive here and go into halftime down one score, and regroup.
I'm not counting them out but I'm surprised with the D. They're gonna have to start bringing some pressure, force some Clemson turnovers or some three and outs.
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Where did you see that?
Sorry my brother was fucking with me. When I wasn’t looking at the screen.
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Turnovers and the kicking game are going to be Bama's undoing in this one if they can't get going. Going to need a hell of a 2nd half to win.
They need a nice answer drive here and go into halftime down one score, and regroup.
I'm not counting them out but I'm surprised with the D. They're gonna have to start bringing some pressure, force some Clemson turnovers or some three and outs.
Yep. Have to get points on this drive and eat up enough clock that Clemson can't answer before half.
The defense got off to a good start... but then we spotted them a score and have struggled defensively since.
Going to have to get some stops otherwise this ain't going to end well.
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I've been a huge fan since the spring scrimmage last year. He just looked like a pro from the get go.
When you watch him play live, his velocity and accuracy just are on a different level. When people have talked about seeing the difference in QB's before, I've never really seen it. Once I saw Lawrence, I knew what they meant, and the dude is a freshman!
same here. I only got to one game but his velocity is noticeable.
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Tua
Where did you see that?
Sorry my brother was fucking with me. When I wasn’t looking at the screen.
Dick punch him for me BB
Expecting Bama to have a better 2nd half - but if Clemson scores again here, it might be too big a hole.
The defense needs to force a turnover or make a big play in the worst way. Lawrence has tons of confidence now and there's not enough pressure getting in from the edges.
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Against the big boys defenses last two games has struggled.
He's 12-15 for 153 yards and 2 Yes he's thrown a couple of terrible passes but saying that's "struggling" is a bit much coming from the chairman of the Eli Manning cheerleading squad.
What a miserable f ck...
Yup. Now I'd be happy to get out of the half as is.
Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.
I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.
Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.
Dollars to donuts when time comes for either, giants will be no where near obtaining them
What a miserable f ck...
The hell are you babbling about now?
We ain’t waiting two years for a new QB...
Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.
I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.
Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.
I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.
Eh....maybe, but why do it if you're in that situation?
Williams doesn't.
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Looks mediocre.
Williams doesn't.
but he's gassed
Could really use those 3 points back before half.
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Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.
Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.
I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.
Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.
I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.
Dude you need to take a cold shower or something...
Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.
He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.
Yep.
Tua looks very unsure of the looks he's seeing on defense. Not confident at all in his reads and it's showing more with each play
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Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.
Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.
I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.
Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.
I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.
Dude you need to take a cold shower or something...
Hahaha. Obviously hyperbole, but I so want Lawrence.
Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.
He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.
Doubtful anybody tanks buddy...this isn't the NBA...
I love it.
You think? Lol
Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.
He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.
Welp, if shurmur still around, he's playing to win no matter
Defense struggling in coverage, Clemson's coverages are confusing Tua and he's not seeing the field well.
I expect adjustments and a good TD drive to start the 2nd and then we'll go from there. Defense has to figure out a way to get off the fucking field.
He might you never know...would be awesome...would go a long way to upgrading this defense...
The other way around, no?
Both bllitzes came from the defense right, offense left.
That's the "open" side for a lefty QB; blind side for a righty.
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sucks he won't be there at 6.
He might you never know...would be awesome...would go a long way to upgrading this defense...
Doubtful, he’s most likely going top 3. If he lasts to
4-5 someone will trade up (maybe us). Beast
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!
Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!
This game has convinced me that next years starting QB for the Giants should be Kyle Lauletta. If we lose every game.....OK, fine, great. Whatever it takes to get Lawrence in 2020. It wouldnt be an official tank, but, well, you know. Press can ask Gettlemen for the reason for Lauletta and he can say "because we feel he gives us the best chance to win". He can leave out the rest of the sentence, which is "for the next 15-20 years".
Doubtful, he’s most likely going top 3. If he lasts to
4-5 someone will trade up (maybe us). Beast
chances are slim he lasts to us but it's a long way to the draft. who knows. I'd love to get one of these defensive studs this spring.
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If We landed Lawrence ! He just has that mentality
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!
This game has convinced me that next years starting QB for the Giants should be Kyle Lauletta. If we lose every game.....OK, fine, great. Whatever it takes to get Lawrence in 2020. It wouldnt be an official tank, but, well, you know. Press can ask Gettlemen for the reason for Lauletta and he can say "because we feel he gives us the best chance to win". He can leave out the rest of the sentence, which is "for the next 15-20 years".
Lawrence cant come out till 2021
They are fantastic musicians, I’d love to see them live.
how does she feel about Lil Wayne though?
Ugh he is horrendous
Sorry but shouting at the top of your lungs is just not singing.
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OMG does be suck ass or what...
Ugh he is horrendous
it's like my crazy aunt crashed the party
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Loves imagine dragons. She’s going nuts now.
how does she feel about Lil Wayne though?
She said... what is this... laughed my ass off.
Yeah, hard pass. Not happening. Waste two years of Beckham and Barkley? No thank you.
Don't think that's going to require any special effort on the part of the Giants, they're more than capable of being dogshit without any particular motivation.
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OMG does be suck ass or what...
Ugh he is horrendous
it's like my crazy aunt crashed the party
I can see it with that outfit he had on
Damn I hate missing this game !
lil Wayne is not.
Let's not get crazy here.
This game is absurdly long.
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Is plenty talented.
Let's not get crazy here.
They are fantastic musicians, whether you like them or not.
I wish this was an option for all football games.
Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?
Without his helmet on, he looks sorta like a young Tom Petty to me. Just from the neck up (and with the hair), not like Petty was 6'6", 215.
Clemson can't stop the run though
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Halftime musings...
Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?
Without his helmet on, he looks sorta like a young Tom Petty to me. Just from the neck up (and with the hair), not like Petty was 6'6", 215.
Reminds me of Mitch from Dazed and Confused with blond hair.
Just go for it or kick it. Horrible.
Why run a fake FG?
Mind numbing.
Holy hell, that might've been the worst call I've seen Saban make in I don't know how long.
Hysterical
I'm getting too old to watch games that last through midnight.
Exactly.
That's game.
I'm getting too old to watch games that last through midnight.
goodnight bro
Dabo going ape shit! Haha!
Fuck you Saban!
I don't see how he could have got hurt on that play. Looked like he just fell backwards.
Hah, I saw that... sad fellow. And a very strange one. Good riddance.
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your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.
Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?
Gary already took care of it. It was a non-football thread.
I agree and it's surprising for Saben.
What was his dupes name?
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your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.
Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?
It's the Golden Globe thread - he torpedoed himself in with a comment to piss people off per usual and had no intention of actually discussing the topic. Gary banned him and then revealed later that he tried to sneak back in with a dupe handle.
Guy was always a shitty troll.
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your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.
What was his dupes name?
ThatHaikuDouche
I don't see how he could have got hurt on that play. Looked like he just fell backwards.
He just got carted off, dipshit.
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your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.
Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?
Gary already took care of it. It was a non-football thread.
Who was his dupe?
he weighs 216 pounds. and he's very fast, but it seems like it takes him a few strides to get going.
Bama is more than capable of scoring 4 td's; problem is stopping Clemson from putting more points up.
I said this to a girl one time... but I asked her to show her tits.
year just a Freshman ..
Not just one hold but two on the same guy.
Another big play from Ross ...
Hurts isn't particularly good, and it's not Tua' s fault that the refs refuse to throw a flag on the Clemson secondary
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Clemson has not defended the run that well.
Hurts isn't particularly good, and it's not Tua' s fault that the refs refuse to throw a flag on the Clemson secondary
No guarantee that it wins them the game but with Hurts I think they had a shot wearing down the Clemson D
Etienne hurt.
Alabama kid smashing Alabama. Love it!
And they have been in Tua's face all night whereas Lawrence has been kept clean when it's not a designed run.
Alabama might have been able to run power had they gone up, but they've been chasing all night.
Agree he has the attitude doesn't get phased..
Making me feel a bit better about NDs thrashing by Clemson (as well as OSU thumping UGA.)
No it's not. We still have a chance to get the #1 overall pick in 2021 :D
You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
Its Us Look good in Blue !
WE NEED TREVOR LAWRENCE.
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Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.
You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.
He told us the top prospect was the top prospect!! Eureka!
NE going 0-16 in 2020? Doubt it.
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You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
He told us the top prospect was the top prospect!! Eureka!
Did you watch the Elite 11?
He's better right now than Luck ever was in college. And he's a true freshman.
I have not seen a better pro prospect in my life and i'm 31.
Luck was a terrific prospect, but Lawrence is on another level from anyone i've seen.
He's better right now than Luck ever was in college. And he's a true freshman.
I have not seen a better pro prospect in my life and i'm 31.
Luck was a terrific prospect, but Lawrence is on another level from anyone i've seen.
That old? Wow, didn't think you were that old.
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Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.
You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.
You're right. You were alone. I should not have doubted you.
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Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.
You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.
You're right. You were alone. I should not have doubted you.
Never said I was alone, but way to put words in my mouth
Bamas coaches just awful tonight.
Even Jonah Williams looks mortal. Ferrell completely mauled him over earlier
Sweeney out coaching Saban..
Anywhere but the NFCEast
And it's kinda nice that the master recruiter couldn't bag the Bama HS wr.
And I'm loving it. Hope Clemson runs up the score.
But here we are.
Higgens 6'4" 200 lbs Sophomore ..
And I'm loving it. Hope Clemson runs up the score.
I agree I hope they keep their foot on the gas pedal and put up 60 on satan
Haha, reminds me of the old Giants Stadium. I remember going to the famous Eagles/Giants game in 2002 and by the end of the game the field looked like a dirt yard.
Bengals could swap places with the Browns. Raiders are always a candidate. One of the teams who picked a QB this year might realize they have to cut bait, or might be forced by having a terrible record. SF could suck.
Hell, we could suck, but I doubt we'll suck enough.
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Really makes you think about the Giants next QB. Lately a lot of people have assumed 2020 draft is the year with Tua and Fromm. Tua will more than likely end up a first rounder but the #1 overall talk takes a hit tonight. Fromm does not look like a first rounder.
Exactly what I warned about saying we’lol just trade up and get a guy in 2020.
There’s a long way to go before we know the NFL prospects of Fromm and Tua.
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at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.
Agree. He's not having the best game but he belongs on the field with these guys.
what worries me about Ferrell is that he's surrounded by talent on the DL. what would he be like without those guys.
Uh, why is that?
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at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.
That one play looks bad, but I saw a handful of others where he just stoned Ferrell.
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at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.
I agree, but that play was oooooooogly. You're gonna see that play a lot in the coming months.
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Should have been in this game. What a disgrace.
Uh, why is that?
Tongue in cheek, Greg.
Gotta be fair about it, he was playing on one leg vs Georgia and had surgery on it after. The two int's tonight were bad plays no doubt but I'm not sure he's 100% yet either.
Clemsons Oline is fantastic.
They are abusing this loses Bama team.
Not tonight. I do like Christian Miller though.
"What's an edge rusher?"
- Senior David Gettleman
Lol
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Not have edge rushers?
"What's an edge rusher?"
- Jerry Reese
Fixed it for you...FWIW
What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.
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On any Bama player at 6.
What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.
I don’t think either player is a game changer and that’s what I’d be looking for at 6.
The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.
But holy shit these kids deserve a cut
Totally agree.
Looked to me like they were doubling Q.Williams most if not all game yet he still made some nice plays. J.Williams apart from the one play more than held his own against Ferrell and I bought won that battle overall.
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On any Bama player at 6.
What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.
I don’t think either player is a game changer and that’s what I’d be looking for at 6.
The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.
I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.
And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.
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On any Bama player at 6.
What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.
I don’t think either player is a game changer and that’s what I’d be looking for at 6.
The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.
I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.
And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but Wilkins looked more like Donald tonight than Williams did.
The Giants can do better at 6.
Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.
Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.
A great fit with either one
Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.
Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.
This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.
They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.
I know the result is shocking, but sometimes games just totally get away from teams and you just never get on track in a game.
They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.
If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.
Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year
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Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.
Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.
Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.
This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.
They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.
I knew someone would take the cheese.
Only 1 team has made the college football playoff since it began in 2014 without playing a true, road out of conference game. Alabama. They haven't played one since 2011.
That year, they played at Happy Valley and won. Penn State was 9-4 that year but lost every single time they played a ranked opponent.
In 2010, they played at Duke and won 63-12. Duke went 3-9.
Sorry, not ridiculous. Elite talent? Yes. Elite coach? Yes. Do they need to start getting called out on their cupcake OOC schedule? Yes.
Btw, since the playoff started, Clemson played a home & home series with Auburn. Ohio State and Oklahoma also played each other. Georgia scheduled Notre Dame. Each team had the same risk Alabama faces of scheduling a great opponent early and losing. They still did it. What is Alabama's excuse?
Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.
Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.
You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.
Alabama doesn't need to make an excuse. Clemson played a true OOC road game this year and their schedule still didn't even compare to alabama's.
If you're going to bitch about the way a team schedules, it would be logical to not bitch about the team that plays a top 10 schedule most years. And it would be logical to not pat the team on the bank that plays a much easier schedule most years.
Yet you think Bama is the one that should be embarrassed about the way they schedule when they play in the toughest conference in the sport.
They have home and homes scheduled with ND and Texas coming up, too.
I'm also not sure why scheduling a neutral site OOC game means nothing to you.
The last thing anyone should ever be doing is bitching about the way Bama schedules. They play a difficult schedule every single year.
Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.
Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.
You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.
I reread my post and i'm still trying to figure out where i said Alabama got blown out because of their OOC schedule but i can't find it. Why would they? I just pointed out to you how many other big time programs are doing it. I also pointed out two other programs in their conference, Georgia and Auburn, still schedule tough OOC games even though they play in the SEC.
Whats my point? Because they are Alabama, a damn good program, this is never mentioned. I think it should. Regardless of your success or talent, i don't think its justifiable to go that long without a true away game against a good out of conference team.
Alabama lost tonight because they played a very undisciplined game and Clemson was opportunistic.
I caught that too.
If they scheduled cupcakes like you say and other teams don't, then surely it would show up in the SOS rankings, right?
Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.
I don’t think i’ve Seen a QB with this skill set since John Elway. Wow, I kinda hope the giants suck balls for 2 years so they can get the no1 pick and land Lawrence.
CLEMSON FOOTBALL #1!
Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.
Are you going to address any of my points? btw, forgot to mention Clemson has a home & home with Texas A&M currently. So Clemson has scheduled 2 home & home series against sec west teams. They also play South Carolina every year. They also play Notre Dame in 2020.
Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.
The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.
Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?
You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.
You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?
On what planet have they played a TRUE ROAD AWAY GAME AGAINST A NON CONFERENCE OPPONENT SINCE 2011. Everyone else has done it, including teams IN THEIR OWN DIVISION. You're only excuse is "well they play tough teams already !"
so does Auburn, Georgia, and A & M. And yet they still schedule tough games on the road.
We both know why Alabama doesn't do it.
Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.
The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.
Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?
You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.
You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?
I am not ripping Clemson because they are willing to play in a hostile environment, early on in the season when no one plays their best. Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Auburn, Notre Dame, Georgia etc. all take that chance. Its not like Alabama didn't do it 1 year. They haven't played a true road game out of conference in almost a decade and you don't see a problem with that?
Again, who gives a shit about true road games out of conference.
You want to rip the team that plays a more difficult schedule and praise the team that plays the easier schedule.
You are also ignoring that Bama has home and homes schedule with ND and Texas.
Bitching about a teams schedule when they always play one of the most difficult ones in the country is foolish. I dont know any other way to put it. You typing in all caps doesnt change the fact that its foolish.
You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.
Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.
The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
So is Auburn's schedule. So is Georgia's. So is A & M's. Just say it buddy. I've told you three other teams in their conference, 2 in their division, are scheduling these games and they are not. They are literally the only elite program who doesn't do it. Why are you acting like it is the most appalling idea in the world to see them play a tough OOC game on the road once every 3 years? No the neutral sites don't count because they always have more than half the fans there anyway.
Bottom line - do what everyone else has been doing.
You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.
Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.
The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
Schedule a real away game.
You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.
Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.
The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
Where's the link for the stat you just pulled out of your ass? Clean it before you share it.
He’s not playing QB.
Tide rolled.
Clemson has confirmed it.
I'm still trying to figure out that fake FG attempt.
They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.
If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.
Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year
Atlanta is not a neutral site at all. It’s practically a home game.
Ha, ha! And so much for the BBI camp wanting to wait to replace Eli with Tua next year. (I kind of secretly was one of those. Was starting to think of trading down for Jonah Willliams at OT for our first draft choice, too.) Sort of wrecked a whole lot of expectations about how the draft will go.
You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.
Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.
The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
The next times that Alabama has an away game out of conference not a neutral site is 2022 (at Texas) and 2028 (at Notre Dame). Other top teams play out of conference at non-neutral sites more regularly.
Fromm and Lock aren't decent? And didn't they just beat a Big 12 team.
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with Darnold during the UCLA and Ohio St games in 2017
Last night will likely hurt Tua's stock a bit, but he has a year to show otherwise. Against the closest thing he'll see to an NFL defense, he was shown looks that confused him. Not a career killer, but he'll likely have to show he can solve defenses.
Just like the Darnold criticisms weren't off base. They showed that he's poor at ball security and would sometimes make some terrible decisions leading to INT's. Both things that were present in his play as a rookie.
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They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.
Fromm and Lock aren't decent? And didn't they just beat a Big 12 team.
Yeah Mizzou is a powerhouse...I'll give you Fromm but UGA always finds a way to fuck up.
Sure they beat a Big 12 team...a team that has zero defense...but OU's offense did rough them up a bit.
I think they both had their moments and both did well.
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.
He’s not playing QB.
DG is trying to get rid of dumbasses not add them — and he quit in the 2nd half yesterday. Hard pass.
In Peyton Manning's last collegiate game (as a senior, not a sophomore like Tua) he went 21-31 for a mere 134 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT in a blowout loss to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.
All the flak Tua's getting in this thread is way over the top. He was outplayed by Trevor Lawrence, yes - no big shame there as Lawrence is easily the most impressive college QB since Luck. People are acting as if he played a SB 35 Kerry Collins type game. He made two massive mistakes that hurt his team but made some big throws as well, despite being the victim of several terrible drops by his receivers and Clemson getting away with blatant PI and defensive holding on two huge third downs in the second half.
"The receivers really adjusted on every ball he threw. Because [Trevor Lawrence] didn’t throw great balls. He didn’t throw pinpoint balls. He just threw 50-50 balls. He threw it up.”
That part or did he say something else?
If you remember back to Manning, that final game clouded whether he would be the unanimous #1 pick or not, so it even impacted him
Lets be fair, if we are going to ride Haskins for playign easy teams and playing with superior talent - we can do the same for Tua. Tua really struggled I thought last night. But by no means is he finished as a prospect.
You learn the most about a player as he undergoes adversity.
Lets be fair, if we are going to ride Haskins for playign easy teams and playing with superior talent - we can do the same for Tua. Tua really struggled I thought last night. But by no means is he finished as a prospect.
If we are really being fair, he played on one leg in the Georgia game, had surgery after and played on it last night.
It's been a little over a month after surgery on his ankle and he was out there last night. I'm not saying he gets a pass since he was healthy enough to play but I find it hard to believe he was at 100%.
First Dallas and Philadelphia advance, then Bama gets completely embarrassed in the championship game. What a 3 day "weekend"...
First Dallas and Philadelphia advance, then Bama gets completely embarrassed in the championship game. What a 3 day "weekend"...
I apologize if I'm nit-picking, but I'm not sure Tua is an "excellent prospect". Definitely a quality QB prospect.
There are some size concerns - height and hand - and he's a lefty, which changes things from an offensive perspective since the RT now becomes the de facto LT. And he's been very susceptible to injury.
So there are some legitimate flags.
Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.
Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.
People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.
No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.
Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.
People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.
No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
It goes both ways too. Looking forward to back peddling that will occur if/when Lawrence has a particularly shitty game. The jizz spilled on BBI in the past 24 hours over that kid is ridiculous.
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.
Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.
Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.
People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.
No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
It goes both ways too. Looking forward to back peddling that will occur if/when Lawrence has a particularly shitty game. The jizz spilled on BBI in the past 24 hours over that kid is ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm very big on Lawrence but you're right - he's being talked about like Jesus playing QB right now. If he struggles at any point, the same shit will start to happen.
I think both of these guys are going to be fantastic NFL QB's.
Tua's a fantastic prospect; I think Lawrence is better, but we're talking about two outstanding young QBs; if either were in this year's draft, we'd be talking about how we could go and get em.
It's definitely a challenge. Saban loses a huge chunk of his roster yearly and although there's usually a steady flow of 4 and 5 star recruits coming into the pipeline, none of them are automatic. Young kids coming out of HS have to be coached up and have a ton to learn - the transition from HS to a huge CFB program like Alabama is not an easy one.
Last night just felt like one of those nights. I feel like if they played eachother 9 more times, there probably wouldn't be a repeat of last night. Clemson would absolutely beat Alabama a bunch more - but it was just a very atypical game for Bama in so many ways.
Too much confusion in coverage... then Saivion Smith goes down in a crumpled heap with Bama's chances hanging by a thread leading to another easy/long TD.
Saban won't sleep for weeks after last night I'm sure. Just such an un-Saban like performance from the team.
In some ways, I don't mind it. I've grown somewhat tired of my friends whining about how Alabama never loses, how it's not fair, how there's no reason to play the games - just hand them the trophy, etc. Poor Clemson... from the wee little ACC having won two titles in the last 3 years now and going undefeated this season...
They deserved it, though. I do prefer Lawrence to Tua at this point in time. But I also think all the dumping on Tua because of one or two games is getting ridiculous. It's not even like he was dreadful last night - he made a lot of really great throws and completed most of his passes. He just never saw the DB come off his coverage on the first INT and then the 2nd one was just a really stupid mistake. It happens.... I watched Andrew Luck do the same exact thing against Tennessee a couple weeks ago.
Looking forward to next season. This team will have a chip on their shoulders.
Damien Harris is graduating and moving onto the NFL - not sure if Josh Jacobs will stay for his senior year or not.
But Trey Sanders is going to be a beast and Damien going to the draft should open up a lot more work for Najee who needs to be featured way, way more. 121 total touches is not enough for him.
Jerry Jeudy will also be back. Absolute stud WR. Guy will be a star in the NFL. Great wiggle after the catch and a big play, scoring machine.
Hopefully we get a shot at redemption next year like we did last year.
I'm not expecting QWill to be on the board when NYG pick @ 6 - but if he is, I hope they seriously consider him. He can play in any system. He is Aaron Donald lite. Guy is a fucking wrecking ball.
Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.
Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.
People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.
No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
I didn't/don't think Mayfield's height is ideal either. I know the league is changing, but 6'1" still isn't the prototypical height.
I like Tua. He's been so refreshing for Alabama because he's a real play-making QB. Yet, I've always put some emphasis on metrics. They are mostly reliable.
I know I belabored this point a bit last night earlier in the game, but I hope Saban considers moving back towards a more run-heavy/defense-oriented approach.
It almost felt like once Tua was under center, there became this irresistible urge to play with the new toy and start airing it out like crazy.
Over 100 more passes were thrown this regular season than last year. I know Tua can sling it - I don't want them to waste him, either. But I just feel like they really got away from what makes Alabama what they are and what they've been.
I want to see them pummel teams with the run more and then have Tua take shots downfield. Grind teams down and then beat them with the big play.
This was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. You had dep with his idiotic "Tua shit the bed" nonsense for a night where he made a bunch of good to great throws and a few bad ones. A flawed performance, but not a terrible one by any means. It just looked worse than it was because you had Lawrence on the other side playing pretty much lights out.
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.
Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.
Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.
People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.
No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
I didn't/don't think Mayfield's height is ideal either. I know the league is changing, but 6'1" still isn't the prototypical height.
I like Tua. He's been so refreshing for Alabama because he's a real play-making QB. Yet, I've always put some emphasis on metrics. They are mostly reliable.
I don't think it matters much - Wilson is even shorter and has regularly been one of the best QB's in football over the last few years.
Brees' height has never been an issue, either.
Sure, you'd rather have the guy be like 6'5" but 6'1" really isn't a problem in my opinion
A guy Kyler Murray's size? Okay - that's where I become concerned. But Tua is like 20lbs heavier than he is and is also a few inches taller.
Tua may not have "ideal" NFL size, but it won't be a hindrance. He'll be able to make it work just like Mayfield is and like some other guys have been.
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But I also think all the dumping on Tua because of one or two games is getting ridiculous. It's not even like he was dreadful last night - he made a lot of really great throws and completed most of his passes. He just never saw the DB come off his coverage on the first INT and then the 2nd one was just a really stupid mistake. It happens.... I watched Andrew Luck do the same exact thing against Tennessee a couple weeks ago.
This was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. You had dep with his idiotic "Tua shit the bed" nonsense for a night where he made a bunch of good to great throws and a few bad ones. A flawed performance, but not a terrible one by any means. It just looked worse than it was because you had Lawrence on the other side playing pretty much lights out.
If we're talking about who shit the bed last night, the defense is number one on the list. They could not get stops on 3rd down, there were blown coverages left and right. Pressure wasn't getting home. Guys looked confused, they weren't tackling well. That's not Alabama defense.
Nick Saban is right under it. The fake FG call was horrendous - maybe the worst call I've seen him make for as long as he's been here. The adjustments didn't work after half - the offense just couldn't get out of its own way. Plenty of moving the football. Just stupid, careless mistakes. Penalties, turnovers... slop.
Just very atypical and disappointing. It won't happen again next year.
Sure he made a nice couple throws. But after the first quarter he was nonfactor. A pick 6, and other horrible INT, indecisive, etc...
It doesnt mean he sucks. It doesnt mean he doesnt have a bright future. But he stunk last night. He was considered by many the best college football player this year. He didnt come through.
Yes the defense was terrible too. The kicker sucks. Saban coached a pretty bad game. But Tua played a terrible game.
All year long, it felt like the Bama defense wasn't on a par with their recent defenses despite looking good on paper. That proved to be the case.
He will get healthy this offseason and bounce back next year. I'd be shocked if he's not in the Heisman convo again.
All year long, it felt like the Bama defense wasn't on a par with their recent defenses despite looking good on paper. That proved to be the case.
I'm just not even sure why they ran it at all. Clemson was more or less in a standard defense. They weren't buying Saban letting Bulovas kick the ball from 40 yards away. The play had no chance.
At least run a fake that involves throwing the ball.
The play design on that was just... bad.
He will get healthy this offseason and bounce back next year. I'd be shocked if he's not in the Heisman convo again.
I agree with all of this. He’s still amazing. He just had a bad gsme. I would like to see him fully healthy too. Injuries to players suck.
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In Peyton Manning's last collegiate game (as a senior, not a sophomore like Tua) he went 21-31 for a mere 134 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT in a blowout loss to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.
All the flak Tua's getting in this thread is way over the top. He was outplayed by Trevor Lawrence, yes - no big shame there as Lawrence is easily the most impressive college QB since Luck. People are acting as if he played a SB 35 Kerry Collins type game. He made two massive mistakes that hurt his team but made some big throws as well, despite being the victim of several terrible drops by his receivers and Clemson getting away with blatant PI and defensive holding on two huge third downs in the second half.
I agree here. Tua didn't have a good game, but it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be. All QBs have games like that at times. It's a setback for for Tua, but it will also be a good measuring stick for him. Can he learn from it, and come back better. If so he can raise his stock perhaps even higher than it might have gone otherwise.
Since Clemson took it to Bama in every phase of the game, it really looked more like a bad coaching job on Saban's part and a really good one by Swinney. Bama just didn't look prepared for what Clemson was doing in any phase of the game.
Since Clemson took it to Bama in every phase of the game, it really looked more like a bad coaching job on Saban's part and a really good one by Swinney. Bama just didn't look prepared for what Clemson was doing in any phase of the game.
Score was certainly lopsided, but yards gained in the game were pretty even and thats with Clemson going on a 90 yard drive late in the 4Q when Bama had flown the white flag, and included a 75 yard TD pass that was due to a Bama corner injury on the snap.
Turnovers were huge, some coaching mistakes like the dumb fake FG, the penalty on the 0.5 yard line...
Much like the Clemson-ND game when everyone was quick to say ND didnt belong... sometimes final scores can be a little misleading.
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People started talking about Tua like his was god's gift just off last year's title game. Now he looks remotely human and there's a line down the block of people with shovels in hand waiting to throw dirt and repeat the same thing with Lawrence.
Look at how sick people got of Brett Favre. Remember when ESPN had updates on him visiting Minnesota and crap like that? It was such overload that it turned into backlash.
Same for Tebow. The Media incessantly made him out to be some super-human QB. Inundated us with Tebowing. People got sick and tired of it.
Both cases, the player suffered because the Media built things up to an absurd point.
I don't think it matters much - Wilson is even shorter and has regularly been one of the best QB's in football over the last few years.
Brees' height has never been an issue, either.
Sure, you'd rather have the guy be like 6'5" but 6'1" really isn't a problem in my opinion
A guy Kyler Murray's size? Okay - that's where I become concerned. But Tua is like 20lbs heavier than he is and is also a few inches taller.
Tua may not have "ideal" NFL size, but it won't be a hindrance. He'll be able to make it work just like Mayfield is and like some other guys have been.
Mayfield may have finally broken the mold for size not being as critical. Wilson was still a 4th rounder and Brees a 2nd rounder.
However, if Murray opts for the NFL he's going to be a very interesting case study. If the NFL risks a first round pick on him the things have really changed. He's a first round athlete for sure, but his height is a major. major concern at 5'9".