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CFB National Championship Game: Alabama vs. Clemson - 8pm

arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 6:48 pm
Figured a separate game thread would be a good idea as to not cloud up the draft prospects thread with 300 other posts from other game-related stuff.

I know most of the world is already tired of this matchup. But they're the two best teams, and if the goal is to have the two best teams be left standing at the end, it's happening here.

We can debate the recruitment process and everything else until the cows come home, but that's for another day.

Saban vs. Dabo. Tua vs. Lawrence. Bama vs. Clemson.

Expecting another one to go down to the wire with these teams. They've been on a collision course all year. Now they're here.

Roll Tide, Roll!
I took Bama -5.5  
GoBlue6599 : 1/7/2019 6:55 pm : link
Saban vs a freshman Qb ( albeit a very good one) give me Saban
Think Clemson will take this  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 7:02 pm : link
Two great teams.
I laid the 6 as well...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 7:04 pm : link
I have a lot of respect for Clemson. But I'm holding the weak ACC against them.

I think Bama wins by 10+.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 7:11 pm : link
The rest was huge for Tua. He was really slowing to a crawl before the playoffs with the bulky knee brace and just kept re-aggravating it. I was worried he wasn't even going to manage to make it to this game. Really tough kid.

He's been undergoing a really crazy treatment schedule. Literally around the clock. Looked so much better against Oklahoma, though and seems to be as healthy as he's been in a while.
I'm not tired of this matchup  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 7:12 pm : link
They're the two best teams in the country and have proven they belong in this game. If they continue to be next year and the year after, so be it.

Both teams have plenty of future NFL players on their rosters and that just adds to the draw of watching this game for me.

I like Saban and Bama. I'm pulling for them and think they'll pull this one out but I expect a helluva game and wouldn't be surprised if Clemson wins.

They're well coached too and have been here before,only difference this time is a Frosh QB. A great talent but he hasn't been under lights as bright as these yet. If he plays like he's capable, this should be a great battle and I'm looking forward to it.
RE: I took Bama -5.5  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14252813 GoBlue6599 said:
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Saban vs a freshman Qb ( albeit a very good one) give me Saban


Lawrence doesn't pose a real running threat either.

Typically the Kryptonite for Saban - the mobile, improvising QB...
RE: I laid the 6 as well...  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14252820 bw in dc said:
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I have a lot of respect for Clemson. But I'm holding the weak ACC against them.

I think Bama wins by 10+.

Iím not sure why anyone would would hold ďthe weak ACCĒ against Clemson. I think theyíve proven over the past several years that they can play against anyone and beat anyone. And they have the best player on either side, imo. Trevor Lawrence. And I donít care that heís a Freshman. Heís not your average Freshman. Heís absolutely incredible.
Shit  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 7:21 pm : link
I don't don't have cable ..lol
But I would love if we took Lawrence ! Hope he has a solid
game . Clemson has always been one of my favorite teams
Along with Georgia Syracuse Texas Longhorns .
Quinnen Williams, Is a load and pretty likeable character
Too bad Dexter Lawrence is suspended . I think Alabama
is gonna take this one but I want Clemson to win .
RE: RE: I took Bama -5.5  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14252824 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14252813 GoBlue6599 said:


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Saban vs a freshman Qb ( albeit a very good one) give me Saban



Lawrence doesn't pose a real running threat either.

Typically the Kryptonite for Saban - the mobile, improvising QB...

Lawrence doesnít pose a real running threat? I think youíve been watching the wrong guy. He may not do it a ton, but itís definitely in his arsenal when he needs it.
Alabama goes back to back  
Stan in LA : 1/7/2019 7:21 pm : link
Amazing what money can buy.
Let's go Clemson!  
adamg : 1/7/2019 7:25 pm : link
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RE: RE: I laid the 6 as well...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14252828 BigBlueShock said:
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Iím not sure why anyone would would hold ďthe weak ACCĒ against Clemson. I think theyíve proven over the past several years that they can play against anyone and beat anyone. And they have the best player on either side, imo. Trevor Lawrence. And I donít care that heís a Freshman. Heís not your average Freshman. Heís absolutely incredible.


I just don't think they've played the level of competition that Bama has played. Doesn't mean they can't win. They are a great, great program.

So I'm looking for an angle why I think Bama is more likely to win.

I don't watch a lot of college FB  
kennyd : 1/7/2019 7:32 pm : link
but I've seen a couple of Clemson games this year and Lawrence sure as hell looks like the real deal. I can't remember a freshman playing like he is. Anyone have any comparisons? And he cant come out until 2021 (his junior year), correct?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 7:34 pm : link
One thing I always get nervous about in games like this that are going to be tight is the Alabama kicking game.

It has been a problem for a long time and for whatever reason, they can't seem to get it fixed. Remember that it was a missed kick (and a very makeable one) that made OT necessary last year against UGA.

So, as usual, I am crossing my fingers that this doesn't come down to needing to kick a FG at the gun.
I think Trevor Lawrence is gonna...  
M.S. : 1/7/2019 7:34 pm : link

...light up the Crimson Tide.

Clemson for the win.
Huge Clemson fan...  
chilly460 : 1/7/2019 7:46 pm : link
But I have to admit I think Alabama will win, just a bit more complete and they have the one matchup advantage thatís clearly in their favor...TE Irv Smith vs Clemsonís mediocre safeties.

Etienne on a long run and Ross/Higgins with chunk plays could be an equalizer, theyíve done it all year. Same can be said for Bamas WRs though
F*ck Clemson.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 7:47 pm : link
Roll Tide.
Bama pulls and runs away with this  
micky : 1/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
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Took the Bama defense/specials scoring twice  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
20 to win 280
Irv Smith over Yards.
Tua over 2.5 TDS.
And Bama
& what time is kickoff?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 7:48 pm : link
950 PM EST? I was talking with a buddy last week about last year's title game & we both remember it starting incredibly late.
RE: & what time is kickoff?  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14252866 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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950 PM EST? I was talking with a buddy last week about last year's title game & we both remember it starting incredibly late.


Should be a little after 8 EST.
RE: RE: & what time is kickoff?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14252870 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14252866 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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950 PM EST? I was talking with a buddy last week about last year's title game & we both remember it starting incredibly late.



Should be a little after 8 EST.


Arc, yeah. God willing. I'd like to watch the entire game without being cranky tomorrow at work due to a lack of sleep.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 7:54 pm : link
Right there with ya, buddy. Hoping this doesn't go until midnight.
Because I'm crazy...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 7:57 pm : link
I'm going to watch 1 quarter of this game with the MNF crew on ESPN News. I just want to see how bad they are at college football too.
RE: Because I'm crazy...  
figgy2989 : 1/7/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14252877 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm going to watch 1 quarter of this game with the MNF crew on ESPN News. I just want to see how bad they are at college football too.


Why would you do that to yourself!

I have  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 8:01 pm : link
Over tua 299 yard
Over TLaw 263
Over Jeudy 75
RE: RE: Because I'm crazy...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14252880 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14252877 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm going to watch 1 quarter of this game with the MNF crew on ESPN News. I just want to see how bad they are at college football too.



Why would you do that to yourself!


Hahaha. I'll do it on beer 3 so the beer will numb the atrocious announcing.
This should be a great game!  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:04 pm : link
I think Clemson can win this!
I've never been so enamored with a college QB  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:06 pm : link
like I am with Lawrence. He'd look good in Giants blue.
RE: RE: RE: I took Bama -5.5  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14252832 BigBlueShock said:
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Lawrence doesnít pose a real running threat? I think youíve been watching the wrong guy. He may not do it a ton, but itís definitely in his arsenal when he needs it.


He's got 150 yards rushing for the season.
Clemson  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/7/2019 8:13 pm : link
for the win. Lawrence and the passing game plus their D-line wins it for them. Go Tigers!
Watson looks like he just woke up  
The_Boss : 1/7/2019 8:14 pm : link
15 minutes ago.
RE: I've never been so enamored with a college QB  
The_Boss : 1/7/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14252892 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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like I am with Lawrence. He'd look good in Giants blue.


Iím with you. 2021 is so far off though.
Deshaun watson  
gmenatlarge : 1/7/2019 8:16 pm : link
Looking like an idiot in the hoodie...
Tua...ouch  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 8:22 pm : link
...
Yikes.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:22 pm : link
Pick 6 for Clemson.
That should put a dent in  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:22 pm : link
Tua's confidence!
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:22 pm : link
Wonderful.
That was  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 8:22 pm : link
Awesome!
That hurt  
Jim Bur(n)t : 1/7/2019 8:23 pm : link
oooofff
Pick six baby!  
adamg : 1/7/2019 8:23 pm : link
Hell yeah.
Yeah,  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:23 pm : link
that was not a good decision, and an even worse throw.
Seeing that more and more....  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 8:24 pm : link
saavy defenders coming off their man coverage.
I May  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 8:24 pm : link
Have bet the wrong special teams and defense to score twice
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:25 pm : link
I don't know why they call so many fucking pass plays. They have 3 outstanding RB's. Use the Harris' and Josh Jacobs. Najee Harris never gets enough work. He makes at least one big play a game.

I know Tua has been great this year, but they've gotten so pass happy. This isn't the same Alabama team that used to grind you down with the run and wallop you up front.
Go Tigers!  
markky : 1/7/2019 8:25 pm : link
I have a kid at Clemson so I'm biased.
Well they'll sure as hell go to the run, now.  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 8:27 pm : link
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RE: .  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14252923 arcarsenal said:
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I don't know why they call so many fucking pass plays. They have 3 outstanding RB's. Use the Harris' and Josh Jacobs. Najee Harris never gets enough work. He makes at least one big play a game.

I know Tua has been great this year, but they've gotten so pass happy. This isn't the same Alabama team that used to grind you down with the run and wallop you up front.


Harris with a tough run.
Nevermind.  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 8:28 pm : link
Nice throw! That's a good way to answer.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:28 pm : link
Jeudy!!!!!
Damn what a throw  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 8:28 pm : link
Thatís one way to bounce back
Gorgeous  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:28 pm : link
throw by Tua. Wow. That was beautiful.
What a throw!  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
He sure is accurate!
Iím on board now  
superspynyg : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
Trade back this year and Tank for Tua!!!!!!
Classic in the making!  
CaLLaHaN : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
Did SY make a who to watch prospect thread anybody? Love those from him.
Juedy got that DB all turned around....  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
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RE: What a throw!  
markky : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14252938 nicky43 said:
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He sure is accurate!


he's unbelievably accurate
Holy shit  
adamg : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
That tide O is explosive
That was a great pick up block...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
by Jacobs.
Where was the corner  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:30 pm : link
?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:30 pm : link
Jeudy is fantastic. He's so elusive after the catch too. He will be a legit NFL WR.
Man that last highlight of the TD from behind the QB  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 8:30 pm : link
I focused on J Williams LT...Didn't do anything special but watching his footwork and technique you can easily see why he's the top-rated Tackle. If you get a chance rewind to that highlight and watch the quickness with the feet
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:32 pm : link
Even the XP was an adventure. Bulovas sucks.

I don't understand why Saban can get 4 and 5 star recruits effortlessly everywhere else, but continually has problems with the kicker.
Lawrence has the jitters  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:33 pm : link
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The Mecca of College Football  
Koffman : 1/7/2019 8:35 pm : link
Santa Clara, California.
Another  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:35 pm : link
beautiful throw.
The first team to 100 wins  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:35 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:35 pm : link
Bad read by Thompson there. Ugh.
RE: The first team to 100 wins  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14252960 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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haha
This is going to be a great game  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
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What  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
a start by both teams.
Wow!  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
These teams are so good. Great action!

This is going to be a crazy  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
Game. Clemson is warming up
Holy Crap -  
section125 : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
could be fun..
Lot of big plays this game so far  
micky : 1/7/2019 8:36 pm : link
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RE: The first team to 100 wins  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14252960 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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LOL! That's funny. :)
Etienne is so good.  
adamg : 1/7/2019 8:37 pm : link
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What a game. Two powerhouses!  
yatqb : 1/7/2019 8:37 pm : link
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So much talent on that field  
micky : 1/7/2019 8:37 pm : link
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really pretty unbelievable start  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/7/2019 8:38 pm : link
unless you like defensive battles
Deonte Thompson not having himself a great game so far  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 8:39 pm : link
he's just one of several players brought up here that could be in play at 6 for the Giants. Another two are Ferrell and Jonah Williams, who will be matched up on each other throughout the night. Should be fun to see who wins that match up from a Giants draft perspective.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:41 pm : link
Lean on the run. I still have yet to see a team regularly stuff Alabama when they've gone run heavy. These guys get 6-7-8 yard chunks at a time.
I  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:42 pm : link
can't believe how accurate Tua is on so many of his passes.
21 points  
kennyd : 1/7/2019 8:43 pm : link
in 4 and a half minutes. Yikes, buckle up!
I don't watch any college football really  
CaLLaHaN : 1/7/2019 8:44 pm : link
What prospects are in consideration for the Giants? I usually catch the bowl game prospect threads but haven't seen much this year.
Ferrell beat Williams there  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:45 pm : link
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RE: Ferrell beat Williams there  
j_rud : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14252992 jeff57 said:
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To put it mildly lol. That was brutal.
RE: I don't watch any college football really  
markky : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14252991 CaLLaHaN said:
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What prospects are in consideration for the Giants? I usually catch the bowl game prospect threads but haven't seen much this year.


Maybe Ferrell. He'll be taken around our spot.
Williams was doing a good job on him up till then  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
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Williams looked like  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
Flowers there
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
Keep going to Najee. This guy never gets enough work.
Irv Smith over yards  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
Check
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
He's short. But... that's what I'm fucking talking about. Feed this kid. He's fantastic.
Arc is right...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
Bama is running wild.
Piss poor running defense  
section125 : 1/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
by Clemson.
RE: I don't watch any college football really  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14252991 CaLLaHaN said:
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What prospects are in consideration for the Giants? I usually catch the bowl game prospect threads but haven't seen much this year.


Ferrell and the two Williamses are most likely.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
Josh Jacobs time. Let him hammer it in.
RE: Piss poor running defense  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14253003 section125 said:
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by Clemson.


Miss Lawrence.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:50 pm : link
I guess Clemson was looking for that too.

That'll work! Nice call.
Hash Marks in college make field look narrower  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:50 pm : link
The Hash marks are 40 feet apart and can create havoc for some wide spread formations. More fun and harder to defend but it does make the field look less wide than an NFL field when they are the dame.

Parkeyíd  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 8:51 pm : link
...
Cody Parkey  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:51 pm : link
Is playing tonight for Bama?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 8:51 pm : link
There's Bulovas showing his fucking ass again.

I can't believe they can't find someone better. He's going to cost them a game and I sure fucking hope it's not this one.
OHHHHHH  
adamg : 1/7/2019 8:51 pm : link
doink
4 scores in 9 minutes?  
exiled : 1/7/2019 8:52 pm : link
Damn. I know the NFL is becoming more offense heavy, but if games start looking like this, Iíll hate it.

Give me some defense!
Arc with the spot on pregame call  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 8:53 pm : link
About Bama's kicker. Heckuva job pointing that out and there it is early on.

Too much O for sure  
adamg : 1/7/2019 8:54 pm : link
It'd be nice to see a long drive here
RE: Arc with the spot on pregame call  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14253025 Eman11 said:
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About Bama's kicker. Heckuva job pointing that out and there it is early on.


Yup. Arc knows his stuff.
RE: RE: Arc with the spot on pregame call  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14253031 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14253025 Eman11 said:


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About Bama's kicker. Heckuva job pointing that out and there it is early on.




Yup. Arc knows his stuff.


+2.
Bama getting like 6, 7 yards a pop  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 8:58 pm : link
Running the ball.
Great catch!  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 8:59 pm : link
Darn.
That ref made a helluva a play  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 8:59 pm : link
Ducking that pass
Any chance Ferrell falls to 6?  
CaLLaHaN : 1/7/2019 8:59 pm : link
?
RE: Any chance Ferrell falls to 6?  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14253041 CaLLaHaN said:
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he does in several of the mocks
Great catch by Jeudy  
adamg : 1/7/2019 9:01 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:01 pm : link
Jacobs is a hammer. I'd go back to him here.
Tua's accuracy is so impressive  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:02 pm : link
he's looking good
I've been more entertained watching this game  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:05 pm : link
Between two teams I have no allegiance to than any Giants game in a long, long time.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:05 pm : link
Saban may be in 4 down mode here if they can't get in on 3rd. I don't think he wants to send 97 back out there if he can help it...
RE: Any chance Ferrell falls to 6?  
Sy'56 : 1/7/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14253041 CaLLaHaN said:
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I think he will be there
Clemsonís  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:07 pm : link
Going to have to figure out how to stop the run and the explosive passing plays at the same time. Tough task.
RE: RE: Any chance Ferrell falls to 6?  
adamg : 1/7/2019 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14253057 Sy'56 said:
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I think he will be there


34 OLB a good fit?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:07 pm : link
Ugh... can't go for it if you lose yards.

Now he's got to kick.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:08 pm : link
Yikes. Every one is an adventure.
Man. Arc wasn't kidding about this 'Bama QB.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:08 pm : link
He'd give me a heart attack if I was a Tide fan.
*Kicker  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:09 pm : link
Not QB.
Difference in total yards is  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 9:09 pm : link
YIKES for Clemson
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:10 pm : link
Now he kicks it OOB.

Unbelievable.
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:12 pm : link
Very poor angle by Mack Wilson there. He should have been able to slow that play down.
That definitely should have been helmet to helmet  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 9:12 pm : link
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RE: That definitely should have been helmet to helmet  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14253084 montanagiant said:
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Agree!
I'd love to be at a bar in Clemson or  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:15 pm : link
Tuscaloosa right now. Can only imagine how these youngins are raging watching this game.

This is a really fun game.
RE: RE: RE: Any chance Ferrell falls to 6?  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14253061 adamg said:
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I think he will be there



34 OLB a good fit?


I think so.
Rams-Chiefs  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 9:16 pm : link
Part II
Lawrence and Tua  
Earl the goat : 1/7/2019 9:17 pm : link
Are two of the most impressive college QBs Iíve seen in a long time
To bad they arenít both coming out in 2020
It would be interesting who would be selected first
RE: Lawrence and Tua  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14253100 Earl the goat said:
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Are two of the most impressive college QBs Iíve seen in a long time
To bad they arenít both coming out in 2020
It would be interesting who would be selected first


they could be Brady - P. Manning part II
I think Lawrence would be taken ahead of Tua  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:18 pm : link
But I'd give up a pinkie for Tua and a year of no sex for Lawrence.
RE: I'd love to be at a bar in Clemson or  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14253094 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Tuscaloosa right now. Can only imagine how these youngins are raging watching this game.

This is a really fun game.


Clemson has closed off their downtown, put the game on a big screen and suspended the open container rule. My kid has sent me some videos - looks crazy.
My daughter..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 9:21 pm : link
just sent pictures too. It is crazy there!
Clemson tackles poorly  
section125 : 1/7/2019 9:21 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:23 pm : link
What the fuck, Tua. Jesus.
Bad throw by  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:23 pm : link
Tua.
Tua  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 9:23 pm : link
Against the big boys defenses last two games has struggled.
For  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 9:23 pm : link
all of his great throws, Tua has made two that are terrible. What did he see on that play?
RE: My daughter..  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14253112 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just sent pictures too. It is crazy there!


Attending one of these schools right now reminds me of my friend who went to Florida during their basketball and football run.
As I said 1,000 times  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 9:24 pm : link
Tua is not an NFL QB.
that wasn't much of a gamble  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:24 pm : link
no brainer to go for it there. Saban isn't stupid.

ND got beat pretty good by Clemson but their defense actually played a pretty solid game. Clemson didn't run the ball well (most of their yards came on one huge run by Etienne when the game was already over) and when Love was in the game they had less than 100 yards passing.

Clemson was far superior to ND, but ND's defense held up a lot better than Bama's is right now. ND got beat good in that game because their offense was trash and their main weakness (speed at receiver) was the one area Clemson struggled.

Brain cramp by Tua.
Big turnover  
adamg : 1/7/2019 9:25 pm : link
Big field position change too.
Saban punched  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:25 pm : link
Tua
RE: As I said 1,000 times  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14253121 Carl in CT said:
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Tua is not an NFL QB.


And you'll be wrong all 1000 times + however many more times you say it.
Holy Shit  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:26 pm : link
I canít believe he did that.
Tell me what part of his game is  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 9:27 pm : link
Better than average, size, toughness, arm strength, running ability? Wonít make it.
RE: As I said 1,000 times  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14253121 Carl in CT said:
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Tua is not an NFL QB.


Dumb comment. Heís got a ton of NFL level skills. Injuries are another matter but the guy can play.
RE: RE: As I said 1,000 times  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14253125 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14253121 Carl in CT said:


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Tua is not an NFL QB.



And you'll be wrong all 1000 times + however many more times you say it.


I'm not a scout, but Tua's accuracy looks impressive.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:28 pm : link
Turnovers and the kicking game are going to be Bama's undoing in this one if they can't get going. Going to need a hell of a 2nd half to win.
Iíll give you  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 9:28 pm : link
Doesnít turn it over but that might be a product of his team.
Hunter Renfro  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:28 pm : link
In blue would be great. He makes plays all the time.
God. I want Trevor Lawrence.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:28 pm : link
I'm like that high school chick who has pictures of her crush plastered all over her room.
Tua will be a decent NFL QB  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
But I wouldn't want to bet my future on him
RE: Iíll give you  
adamg : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14253134 Carl in CT said:
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Doesnít turn it over but that might be a product of his team.
He just threw two picks in a half.
College rule requiring a player  
section125 : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
whose helmet is taken/knocked off is BS. The player that knocked it off should be off the field.
Such poise..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
for a true freshman. He can sling it!
RE: Tell me what part of his game is  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14253130 Carl in CT said:
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Better than average, size, toughness, arm strength, running ability? Wonít make it.


He's the same size as Mayfield.

He's very tough. He has plenty of arm strength and accuracy and is elusive but not a scrambler like Hurts.

It doesn't seem like you've spent much time watching him play. You're way off base.
Tua not an NFL QB?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
HAHAHAHAHA.

Come on. He's going to be an NFL QB & a very good one @ that.
Etienne again  
adamg : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
Dude lives in the EZ
I like Tua  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 9:29 pm : link
But there's a reason why you let a QB play a few dozen games before making him out to be the best thing ever.

RE: Hunter Renfro  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14253136 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In blue would be great. He makes plays all the time.


He'll be on the Pats, in the Welker, Amendola, Edelman, Hogan mold.
Clemson  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 9:30 pm : link
just went right down the field. Lawrence has plenty of time, and has been accurate.
Sticking up for the kid  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 9:30 pm : link
His TD/INT Dario is insane.
RE: Tua  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14253117 dep026 said:
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Against the big boys defenses last two games has struggled.


He's 12-15 for 153 yards and 2 Yes he's thrown a couple of terrible passes but saying that's "struggling" is a bit much coming from the chairman of the Eli Manning cheerleading squad.
RE: Such poise..  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14253143 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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for a true freshman. He can sling it!


I've been a huge fan since the spring scrimmage last year. He just looked like a pro from the get go.
RE: Saban punched  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14253124 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Tua

Where did you see that?
I really like how Lawrence steps up in the pocket  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/7/2019 9:32 pm : link
Fearless
Yep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 9:33 pm : link
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I've been a huge fan since the spring scrimmage last year. He just looked like a pro from the get go.


When you watch him play live, his velocity and accuracy just are on a different level. When people have talked about seeing the difference in QB's before, I've never really seen it. Once I saw Lawrence, I knew what they meant, and the dude is a freshman!
Also feel (against the norm)  
Carl in CT : 1/7/2019 9:34 pm : link
Fromm is also vastly overrated.
If I got to pick one guy as future QB of the Giants  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 9:34 pm : link
It'd be Lawrence, but I'd be very happy to get Tua, too.
RE: .  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14253133 arcarsenal said:
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Turnovers and the kicking game are going to be Bama's undoing in this one if they can't get going. Going to need a hell of a 2nd half to win.


They need a nice answer drive here and go into halftime down one score, and regroup.

I'm not counting them out but I'm surprised with the D. They're gonna have to start bringing some pressure, force some Clemson turnovers or some three and outs.

Lawrence is phenomenal  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:35 pm : link
And heís only a Freshman?!
RE: RE: Saban punched  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14253154 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14253124 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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Tua


Where did you see that?


Sorry my brother was fucking with me. When I wasnít looking at the screen.
I said this last week, but if  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:36 pm : link
you told me the Giants go 0-16 in 2020 & had the #1 pick in the '21 draft for Lawrence, I'd take that. I'll take the ignominy of going winless for a season if it means 15 + years of Lawrence as our QB.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14253163 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14253133 arcarsenal said:


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Turnovers and the kicking game are going to be Bama's undoing in this one if they can't get going. Going to need a hell of a 2nd half to win.



They need a nice answer drive here and go into halftime down one score, and regroup.

I'm not counting them out but I'm surprised with the D. They're gonna have to start bringing some pressure, force some Clemson turnovers or some three and outs.


Yep. Have to get points on this drive and eat up enough clock that Clemson can't answer before half.

The defense got off to a good start... but then we spotted them a score and have struggled defensively since.

Going to have to get some stops otherwise this ain't going to end well.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:38 pm : link
Welp. That's not it.
Tua didn't see or feel that at all.  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 9:38 pm : link
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RE: Yep..  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14253158 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


I've been a huge fan since the spring scrimmage last year. He just looked like a pro from the get go.



When you watch him play live, his velocity and accuracy just are on a different level. When people have talked about seeing the difference in QB's before, I've never really seen it. Once I saw Lawrence, I knew what they meant, and the dude is a freshman!


same here. I only got to one game but his velocity is noticeable.
.  
Jalapeno : 1/7/2019 9:39 pm : link
Do they also air Ray Liota "Chantix" commercials on the stadium TV's and PA system?
Tua  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 9:39 pm : link
Is struggling.
This Mullen  
Jim Bur(n)t : 1/7/2019 9:40 pm : link
is a gamer!
RE: RE: RE: Saban punched  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14253165 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14253154 montanagiant said:


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In comment 14253124 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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Tua


Where did you see that?



Sorry my brother was fucking with me. When I wasnít looking at the screen.

Dick punch him for me BB
Great designed blitz  
micky : 1/7/2019 9:41 pm : link
.
Tua has shown  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:41 pm : link
some warts recently. He's really struggling reading defenses lately.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:41 pm : link
One of Saban's biggest strengths is his ability to adjust.

Expecting Bama to have a better 2nd half - but if Clemson scores again here, it might be too big a hole.

The defense needs to force a turnover or make a big play in the worst way. Lawrence has tons of confidence now and there's not enough pressure getting in from the edges.
Really feel like Clemson has this...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:42 pm : link
But then I remember feeling the same in last year's title game & this year's SEC Championship game...
RE: RE: Tua  
JCin332 : 1/7/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14253152 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14253117 dep026 said:


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Against the big boys defenses last two games has struggled.



He's 12-15 for 153 yards and 2 Yes he's thrown a couple of terrible passes but saying that's "struggling" is a bit much coming from the chairman of the Eli Manning cheerleading squad.


What a miserable f ck...
RE: .  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14253169 arcarsenal said:
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Welp. That's not it.


Yup. Now I'd be happy to get out of the half as is.
God. Lawrence 'Sunshine'.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:43 pm : link
WE NEED YOU! COME TO US!
if you could guarantee me  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:44 pm : link
Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.

Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.

I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.

Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.

Weird tackle on that blitz  
ghost718 : 1/7/2019 9:45 pm : link
That corner might be playing for the Texans next year
Amanda & Jeffrey Lawrence...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:45 pm : link
Tell your son he needs to play for the Giants. He's not going anywhere else. Help us out.
OK um who was the blonde near his parents?í  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:45 pm : link
Girlfriend? Sister?
RE: God. Lawrence 'Sunshine'.  
micky : 1/7/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14253189 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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WE NEED YOU! COME TO US!


Dollars to donuts when time comes for either, giants will be no where near obtaining them
RE: RE: RE: Tua  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14253185 JCin332 said:
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What a miserable f ck...


The hell are you babbling about now?
RE: Amanda & Jeffrey Lawrence...  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14253193 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Tell your son he needs to play for the Giants. He's not going anywhere else. Help us out.


We ainít waiting two years for a new QB...
Bamas defensive line  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:46 pm : link
Looks mediocre.
Thats a weak call  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:46 pm : link
on a late hit. Come on ref keep the flag in your pocket its the title game. Was it late, sure. But no one is going crazy if its not called.
That was a really, really dipshit penalty to take  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 9:46 pm : link
.
RE: if you could guarantee me  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14253191 MookGiants said:
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Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.

Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.

I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.

Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.


I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.
RE: Thats a weak call  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14253199 MookGiants said:
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on a late hit. Come on ref keep the flag in your pocket its the title game. Was it late, sure. But no one is going crazy if its not called.


Eh....maybe, but why do it if you're in that situation?
he's 19 and he looks  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:47 pm : link
like a man among boys
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:47 pm : link
The secondary is doing a terrible job. Just awful coverage.
RE: Bamas defensive line  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14253198 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Looks mediocre.


Williams doesn't.
RE: RE: Bamas defensive line  
markky : 1/7/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14253206 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14253198 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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Looks mediocre.



Williams doesn't.


but he's gassed
Lawrence is impressive, I agree.  
Britt in VA : 1/7/2019 9:49 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:49 pm : link
Nice blitz call.

Could really use those 3 points back before half.
Bama gets ball to start 2nd half right...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:50 pm : link
?
RE: RE: if you could guarantee me  
JCin332 : 1/7/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14253202 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14253191 MookGiants said:


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Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.

Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.

I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.

Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.




I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.


Dude you need to take a cold shower or something...
I would kill  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:50 pm : link
to have this guy. Ugh.

Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.

He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.
RE: Bama gets ball to start 2nd half right...  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14253214 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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?


Yep.
Williams is going to be damn good  
jeff57 : 1/7/2019 9:51 pm : link
Whether heís inside in a 4-3 or end in a 3-4.
Harris  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:52 pm : link
was better off dropping that.

Tua looks very unsure of the looks he's seeing on defense. Not confident at all in his reads and it's showing more with each play
wow  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
why wouldnt saban use a timeout? 30 seconds and 3 timeouts is an eternity
RE: RE: RE: if you could guarantee me  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14253215 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14253202 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


In comment 14253191 MookGiants said:


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Lawrence in 2 years I would absolutely sign for 2 years of total shit. One year of total shit is almost a guarantee anyways.

Shore up the defensive line and offensive line next 2 years and secondary, and then get Lawrence in 2021.

I dont see any way the Giants are a playoff team next year. So to me its just a question of if you would be ok with punting 2020.

Lawrence looks to me like the QB you would build in a lab if you had the ability to build the perfect QB.




I'll be celibate if need be until the day he's on a podium with a Giants jersey.



Dude you need to take a cold shower or something...


Hahaha. Obviously hyperbole, but I so want Lawrence.
Saben looks like he is not  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
in a good mood
Bama is shook  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
Right now.0
RE: I would kill  
JCin332 : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14253216 MookGiants said:
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to have this guy. Ugh.

Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.

He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.


Doubtful anybody tanks buddy...this isn't the NBA...
RE: Saben looks like he is not  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14253227 nicky43 said:
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in a good mood


I love it.
RE: Saben looks like he is not  
jnoble : 1/7/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14253227 nicky43 said:
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in a good mood


You think? Lol
Kirk is a real good analyst  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 9:54 pm : link
But c'mon that wasn't the same blitz Tua got sacked on. Might've been from a similar position player but Tua's came from the blind side and Lawrence had it coming right in his face and couldn't miss seeing it.


RE: I would kill  
micky : 1/7/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14253216 MookGiants said:
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to have this guy. Ugh.

Teams will be falling over themselves tanking in 2020 to get him. The second teams think they are done you will see a tank like you never have before. I know people will say coaches wont do that, but I think this kid will have teams doing things they rarely do.

He's the definition of franchise changing quarterback.


Welp, if shurmur still around, he's playing to win no matter
Quennin Williams is a stud  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 9:55 pm : link
sucks he won't be there at 6.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 9:56 pm : link
A lot of things to figure out at half. Not good.

Defense struggling in coverage, Clemson's coverages are confusing Tua and he's not seeing the field well.

I expect adjustments and a good TD drive to start the 2nd and then we'll go from there. Defense has to figure out a way to get off the fucking field.
Also Jonah Williams winning the battle up front vs Ferrell  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 9:56 pm : link
outside of that one bullrush where Ferrell tossed him to the floor, he's held his own.
RE: Quennin Williams is a stud  
JCin332 : 1/7/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14253235 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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sucks he won't be there at 6.


He might you never know...would be awesome...would go a long way to upgrading this defense...
My bad  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 9:59 pm : link
On the Kirk post. Just watched it again and Tua did get a front side blitz on his sack and should've seen it even though he was looking right.
RE: Kirk is a real good analyst  
shyster : 1/7/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14253232 Eman11 said:
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But c'mon that wasn't the same blitz Tua got sacked on. Might've been from a similar position player but Tua's came from the blind side and Lawrence had it coming right in his face and couldn't miss seeing it.



The other way around, no?

Both bllitzes came from the defense right, offense left.

That's the "open" side for a lefty QB; blind side for a righty.
RE: RE: Quennin Williams is a stud  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14253242 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14253235 nyjuggernaut2 said:


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sucks he won't be there at 6.



He might you never know...would be awesome...would go a long way to upgrading this defense...


Doubtful, heís most likely going top 3. If he lasts to
4-5 someone will trade up (maybe us). Beast
I would be Estatic  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 10:00 pm : link
If We landed Lawrence ! He just has that mentality
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:01 pm : link
Halftime musings...

Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?

My 4 year old  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:03 pm : link
Loves imagine dragons. Sheís going nuts now.
RE: I would be Estatic  
John In CO : 1/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14253251 Bluesbreaker said:
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If We landed Lawrence ! He just has that mentality
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!


This game has convinced me that next years starting QB for the Giants should be Kyle Lauletta. If we lose every game.....OK, fine, great. Whatever it takes to get Lawrence in 2020. It wouldnt be an official tank, but, well, you know. Press can ask Gettlemen for the reason for Lauletta and he can say "because we feel he gives us the best chance to win". He can leave out the rest of the sentence, which is "for the next 15-20 years".
RE: RE: RE: Quennin Williams is a stud  
markky : 1/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14253249 Ssanders9816 said:
Quote:
In comment 14253242 JCin332 said:

Doubtful, heís most likely going top 3. If he lasts to
4-5 someone will trade up (maybe us). Beast


chances are slim he lasts to us but it's a long way to the draft. who knows. I'd love to get one of these defensive studs this spring.
RE: RE: I would be Estatic  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/7/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14253262 John In CO said:
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In comment 14253251 Bluesbreaker said:


Quote:


If We landed Lawrence ! He just has that mentality
He is a Day one starter IMHO ..
Fromm is pretty damn good as is Tua but he is also
a lefty . to me Lawrence is more like a Peyton Manning
or maybe better . He is the Guy I most Covet for
the Giants hands down !
I should have gone to the Bar but screw it to friggen cold
out and the Wind is howling out there .
Go Tigers !!!!



This game has convinced me that next years starting QB for the Giants should be Kyle Lauletta. If we lose every game.....OK, fine, great. Whatever it takes to get Lawrence in 2020. It wouldnt be an official tank, but, well, you know. Press can ask Gettlemen for the reason for Lauletta and he can say "because we feel he gives us the best chance to win". He can leave out the rest of the sentence, which is "for the next 15-20 years".


Lawrence cant come out till 2021
Lil Wayne  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:06 pm : link
OMG does be suck ass or what...
RE: My 4 year old  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14253259 dep026 said:
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Loves imagine dragons. Sheís going nuts now.


They are fantastic musicians, Iíd love to see them live.
RE: My 4 year old  
markky : 1/7/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14253259 dep026 said:
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Loves imagine dragons. Sheís going nuts now.


how does she feel about Lil Wayne though?
RE: Lil Wayne  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14253266 dep026 said:
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OMG does be suck ass or what...

Ugh he is horrendous
RE: Lil Wayne  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14253266 dep026 said:
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OMG does be suck ass or what...


Sorry but shouting at the top of your lungs is just not singing.
Lawrence can't come out until '21....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 10:08 pm : link
But I'd be willing to tank in '19 & '20 for him if it means he's ours.
RE: RE: Lil Wayne  
markky : 1/7/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14253270 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14253266 dep026 said:


Quote:


OMG does be suck ass or what...


Ugh he is horrendous


it's like my crazy aunt crashed the party
Lil Way brings you  
redbeard : 1/7/2019 10:08 pm : link
Tyler Perryís Madeaís halftime show
RE: RE: My 4 year old  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14253268 markky said:
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In comment 14253259 dep026 said:


Quote:


Loves imagine dragons. Sheís going nuts now.



how does she feel about Lil Wayne though?


She said... what is this... laughed my ass off.
That has got to be  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 10:09 pm : link
the weirdest bridge I ever heard.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:09 pm : link
That was painful. Maybe more painful for me than the first half.
RE: Lawrence can't come out until '21....  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14253273 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
But I'd be willing to tank in '19 & '20 for him if it means he's ours.


Yeah, hard pass. Not happening. Waste two years of Beckham and Barkley? No thank you.
"I get a Unicorn out of a Zebra"  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:10 pm : link
Brilliant lyrics
RE: Lawrence can't come out until '21....  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14253273 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
But I'd be willing to tank in '19 & '20 for him if it means he's ours.


Don't think that's going to require any special effort on the part of the Giants, they're more than capable of being dogshit without any particular motivation.
RE: RE: RE: Lil Wayne  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14253274 markky said:
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In comment 14253270 montanagiant said:


Quote:


In comment 14253266 dep026 said:


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OMG does be suck ass or what...


Ugh he is horrendous



it's like my crazy aunt crashed the party

I can see it with that outfit he had on
Big drive here for 'Bama.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 10:10 pm : link
Gotta get something going.
...  
christian : 1/7/2019 10:11 pm : link
It's pretty clear, with a very obviously live performance, who's really talented on the stage and who's not.
Clemson also missing  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 10:11 pm : link
Dexter Lawrence another top 15 player .
Damn I hate missing this game !
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:12 pm : link
Ugh, this game isn't going to end until after midnight.
Ehhh imagine dragons  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:12 pm : link
Is plenty talented.

lil Wayne is not.
RE: Ehhh imagine dragons  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14253290 dep026 said:
Quote:
Is plenty talented.


Let's not get crazy here.
At this rate, I'll be polishing off  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 10:15 pm : link
Beer numero 9 by the start of the 4th quarter.

This game is absurdly long.
Lil Wayne per NFL Memes  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:16 pm : link
RE: RE: Ehhh imagine dragons  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14253292 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 14253290 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is plenty talented.



Let's not get crazy here.


They are fantastic musicians, whether you like them or not.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:17 pm : link
TD drive or bust here.
Great watching the game on ESPN 3  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 10:20 pm : link
without commentary.

I wish this was an option for all football games.
that was a dreadful  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:21 pm : link
spot. He had that first
Bad spot  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:22 pm : link
.
they need to look at that spot  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:22 pm : link
he absolutely had that first down
that ball  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:24 pm : link
needs to be caught, perfect throw
RE: .  
Del Shofner : 1/7/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14253254 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Halftime musings...

Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?



Without his helmet on, he looks sorta like a young Tom Petty to me. Just from the neck up (and with the hair), not like Petty was 6'6", 215.
Boy, I don't know that I've ever seen Bama be so sloppy  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:25 pm : link
Two weeks in a row under Saban.


Clemson can't stop the run though
RE: RE: .  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14253308 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 14253254 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


Halftime musings...

Anyone else think Lawrence looks like a thin AJ Hawk?





Without his helmet on, he looks sorta like a young Tom Petty to me. Just from the neck up (and with the hair), not like Petty was 6'6", 215.


Reminds me of Mitch from Dazed and Confused with blond hair.
Shit review  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:28 pm : link
stop the game over two yards that should probably stand
Clemson gets away with one  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
.
Uh what  
Dave in PA : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
Brilliant...
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
What the fuck is he thinking with that call?

Just go for it or kick it. Horrible.
That was interference  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
Followed by a pathetic fake kick
that was one of the dumbest  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
things ive ever seen. Holy toledo
Looked  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
like PI by Clemson.

Why run a fake FG?
LOL. Chris Fowler called the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
Fake.
Wow....that was a strange call  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
Not one of the better fake attempts
That was  
kes722 : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
One of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen...
Weird call by Saban  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
.,
What an awful fake. Clemson almost had a regular defense  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
called. Should have checked out of it.
Not only a dumb call on that fake FG  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
But a horribly executed one at that
That was strange  
sb2003 : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
the blocking up front stopped before the play developed.
they ran a fake field goal  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:32 pm : link
against Clemson's defense essentially.

Mind numbing.
The  
AcidTest : 1/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
execution was worse than the decision, and the decision was bad. Smells a little of desperation.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
He obviously has no faith in the kicker... just go for it. If the guy in the booth knows it's a fake, Clemson does too.
Wow  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
They had a much better shot at converting with Tua and the O on the field than that working.

Holy hell, that might've been the worst call I've seen Saban make in I don't know how long.
What a bizarre call there?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
Makes you wonder if there was miscommunication somewhere.
This is great  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 10:34 pm : link
All that time off the clock and nothing to show for it.
RE: Lil Wayne per NFL Memes  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/7/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14253294 montanagiant said:
Quote:


Hysterical
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:35 pm : link
At least if Clemson scores again here, I can go to bed.

I'm getting too old to watch games that last through midnight.
RE: Wow  
Del Shofner : 1/7/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14253334 Eman11 said:
Quote:
They had a much better shot at converting with Tua and the O on the field than that working.


Exactly.
Don't you need the kicker..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 10:35 pm : link
to pose a threat to make a kick before running a fake?? :)
Game  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
Bama destroyed
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
Whoever was covering him on the outside got hurt.

That's game.
That fake  
kes722 : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
FG now looks a shit load worse
Glad this is over early  
Ssanders9816 : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
Goodnight
yeah game over...  
EricJ : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
I am loving this
RE: .  
markky : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14253340 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
At least if Clemson scores again here, I can go to bed.

I'm getting too old to watch games that last through midnight.


goodnight bro
I know they do it occasionally, but I would never run with Lawrence  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 10:36 pm : link
He's not that fast and he's currently built like a stick. Let the kid put on 25 pounds before you even think about it.
Curtis Riley plays for Bama?  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
.
That could be..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
an achilles
Hey arc  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.

Who saw this coming?  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
.
This is ovah  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
.
Game  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
...
Clemson doing this with about 11 minutes in time of possession  
j_rud : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
.
Clemson is motorboating Bama  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
Damn
Alabama is getting dick slapped  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 10:37 pm : link
I love it. Go Tigers!

Dabo going ape shit! Haha!

Fuck you Saban!
RE: Hey arc  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.
Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?
Smith too embarassed  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 10:38 pm : link
to get up.

I don't see how he could have got hurt on that play. Looked like he just fell backwards.
Tough break there  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 10:38 pm : link
Looks like it may be Clemson's night.
RE: Hey arc  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.


Hah, I saw that... sad fellow. And a very strange one. Good riddance.
you don't say  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:38 pm : link
this, really ever, but Bama is not prepared for this game. At all. Both sides of the ball
RE: RE: Hey arc  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14253360 adamg said:
Quote:
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.


Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?


Gary already took care of it. It was a non-football thread.
RE: you don't say  
nicky43 : 1/7/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14253364 MookGiants said:
Quote:
this, really ever, but Bama is not prepared for this game. At all. Both sides of the ball


I agree and it's surprising for Saben.
RE: Hey arc  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.


What was his dupes name?
Clemson came in here  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:40 pm : link
and bullied Bama
Never saw the name. Gary banned him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 10:40 pm : link
and said he immediately tried to make a new account.
RE: RE: Hey arc  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14253360 adamg said:
Quote:
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.


Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?


It's the Golden Globe thread - he torpedoed himself in with a comment to piss people off per usual and had no intention of actually discussing the topic. Gary banned him and then revealed later that he tried to sneak back in with a dupe handle.

Guy was always a shitty troll.
RE: RE: Hey arc  
j_rud : 1/7/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14253368 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.




What was his dupes name?


ThatHaikuDouche
RE: Smith too embarassed  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14253361 nicky43 said:
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to get up.

I don't see how he could have got hurt on that play. Looked like he just fell backwards.


He just got carted off, dipshit.
RE: RE: RE: Hey arc  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14253366 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 14253360 adamg said:


Quote:


In comment 14253353 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


your buddy TLG ate a ban and got busted for duping.


Lol. Is there a thread with the dupe?



Gary already took care of it. It was a non-football thread.

Who was his dupe?
RE: I know they do it occasionally, but I would never run with Lawrence  
markky : 1/7/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14253350 widmerseyebrow said:
Quote:
He's not that fast and he's currently built like a stick. Let the kid put on 25 pounds before you even think about it.


he weighs 216 pounds. and he's very fast, but it seems like it takes him a few strides to get going.
This game isn't over  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 10:43 pm : link
Slow your tits.
RE: This game isn't over  
John In CO : 1/7/2019 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14253379 B in ALB said:
Quote:
Slow your tits.


Bama is more than capable of scoring 4 td's; problem is stopping Clemson from putting more points up.
You're gonna beat Alabama kid  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 10:46 pm : link
RE: This game isn't over  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14253379 B in ALB said:
Quote:
Slow your tits.


I said this to a girl one time... but I asked her to show her tits.
Bama's moved the ball pretty easily all night  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:48 pm : link
But they're having a helluva time getting into the end zone and Clemson isn't.
I really prefer these college announcers  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/7/2019 10:48 pm : link
Over any of the NFL announcing crews. No mindless banter or constant slobbering over star players. Just football talk.
Love to see Bama score here  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:49 pm : link
And make this more interesting
Not often Do teams put up 37 on Bama  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 10:50 pm : link
Watched replay on BSPN That Ross Kid has had quite the
year just a Freshman ..
how they missed  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:50 pm : link
that holding I dont know
Another non-called PI  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 10:50 pm : link
.
Clemson"s been getting away with murder in the secondary  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:51 pm : link
Playing Seahawks style defense
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 10:51 pm : link
it is over now. They will have to score 3 TD's and keep Clemson from scoring again. Etienne might go off now
Tua  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 10:52 pm : link
isn't trusting anything he's seeing right now. Needs to just let it rip
Jeudy was  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 10:52 pm : link
Wide open too.
Lawrence is incredible  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:54 pm : link
What a throw
I think Saban should have swapped out Hurts at half  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 10:55 pm : link
Clemson has not defended the run that well.
What a catch  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:55 pm : link
.
RE: how they missed  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14253391 MookGiants said:
Quote:
that holding I dont know


Not just one hold but two on the same guy.

Kudos to Clemson...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 10:55 pm : link
Tonight - better coached, and demonstrating they are just talented and athletic.
Etienne is a good little runner  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 10:57 pm : link
Quick to the hole ...
Another big play from Ross ...
What are the odds  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 10:58 pm : link
That Bama and Clemson are in this game next year?
RE: I think Saban should have swapped out Hurts at half  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14253401 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
Clemson has not defended the run that well.


Hurts isn't particularly good, and it's not Tua' s fault that the refs refuse to throw a flag on the Clemson secondary
wow -  
Del Shofner : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
great throw and catch.
HOLY COW!!!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
He caught that?!?!
Whoa...Ross is on fire  
j_rud : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
.
The Phenix City, AL kid  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
Is MURDERING Sabans defense!
Wow  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
Too good
Two freshmen looking like pros  
adamg : 1/7/2019 10:59 pm : link
.
Man #8 is a freshman too  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:00 pm : link
6'4"...Clemson is oozing with talent.
...  
christian : 1/7/2019 11:00 pm : link
On both sides of that play, that's as good of throw and catch I've seen all year.
RE: RE: I think Saban should have swapped out Hurts at half  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14253408 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14253401 Jim in Forest Hills said:


Quote:


Clemson has not defended the run that well.



Hurts isn't particularly good, and it's not Tua' s fault that the refs refuse to throw a flag on the Clemson secondary


No guarantee that it wins them the game but with Hurts I think they had a shot wearing down the Clemson D
Justyn Ross needs to be  
tyrik13 : 1/7/2019 11:02 pm : link
In a Giants uniform come 2021. That catch was just fucking sick! Got damn true frosh to true frosh out here terrorizing Satan D. Good luck stopping those 2 for the next 3 years
There's the Dagger  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
Ross again ...Game Over...
That kid  
kes722 : 1/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
Is crazy good
What did I say last year?  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.
Oh there's a Fucking surprise  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
Turf giving away on this AWFUL field.

Etienne hurt.

Alabama kid smashing Alabama. Love it!
Bad throw...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
there.
Clemson just too much  
Del Shofner : 1/7/2019 11:04 pm : link
.
Lawrence is making these throws with 300lb grown men right in his face  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 11:04 pm : link
kid is impressive.
I think Hurts limits them even more  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:04 pm : link
Clemson's back 7 is just better than Alabama's skill guys.

And they have been in Tua's face all night whereas Lawrence has been kept clean when it's not a designed run.

Alabama might have been able to run power had they gone up, but they've been chasing all night.
RE: What did I say last year?  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 11:04 pm : link
In comment 14253424 Anakim said:
Quote:
Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.


Agree he has the attitude doesn't get phased..
Really enjoying bama  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 11:04 pm : link
Get stomped liked this.
Whoever gets Lawrence  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:05 pm : link
Is in for about a decade of winning. Holy shit.
Ok, I'm a Lawrence believer.  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:05 pm : link
He can throw a ball. His receivers are unconscious.

Making me feel a bit better about NDs thrashing by Clemson (as well as OSU thumping UGA.)
Peyton Manning  
kes722 : 1/7/2019 11:05 pm : link
Like but with no fear
God I fucking hate Clemson fans  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 11:05 pm : link
.
I love Tua  
Everyone Relax : 1/7/2019 11:06 pm : link
as a prospect, but holy cow is Lawrence good. Arm, accuracy, athleticism. This kids going to be bored playing 2 more years of college ball
Lawrence...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 11:06 pm : link
not being able to go pro this year is preposterous.

When was the last time a team put up 40+ points against Bama?  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:06 pm : link
.
RE: Lawrence...  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14253438 bw in dc said:
Quote:
not being able to go pro this year is preposterous.


No it's not. We still have a chance to get the #1 overall pick in 2021 :D
Please for the love of GOD keep Lawrence out of the NFC East in 2 yrs.  
Tom in NY : 1/7/2019 11:07 pm : link
.....he'll probably wind up as Brady's replacement in New England.
RE: What did I say last year?  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14253424 Anakim said:
Quote:
Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.


You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.
RE: Whoever gets Lawrence  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14253433 B in ALB said:
Quote:
Is in for about a decade of winning. Holy shit.

Its Us Look good in Blue !
Oh wow  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:08 pm : link
Nice play there by Tua
Can the  
kcgiants : 1/7/2019 11:09 pm : link
Giants tank for two years.
WE NEED TREVOR LAWRENCE.
Great to see  
gmenatlarge : 1/7/2019 11:09 pm : link
Saban humiliated! What was that old saying about arrogance humbled?
RE: RE: What did I say last year?  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14253442 widmerseyebrow said:
Quote:
In comment 14253424 Anakim said:


Quote:


Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.



You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.


And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.
Lawrence could sit the next two years and be picked #1  
Go Terps : 1/7/2019 11:10 pm : link
.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 11:10 pm : link
I was thinking the same thing:

Quote:
You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.


He told us the top prospect was the top prospect!! Eureka!
RE: Please for the love of GOD keep Lawrence out of the NFC East in 2 yrs.  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14253441 Tom in NY said:
Quote:
.....he'll probably wind up as Brady's replacement in New England.


NE going 0-16 in 2020? Doubt it.
RE: LOL..  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14253452 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
I was thinking the same thing:



Quote:


You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.



He told us the top prospect was the top prospect!! Eureka!


Did you watch the Elite 11?
Luck  
MookGiants : 1/7/2019 11:11 pm : link
doesn't belong being compared to Lawrence.

He's better right now than Luck ever was in college. And he's a true freshman.

I have not seen a better pro prospect in my life and i'm 31.

Luck was a terrific prospect, but Lawrence is on another level from anyone i've seen.
Kid..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 11:11 pm : link
could end up with Miami or Tampa
Please. Given their string of luck lately, he'll be an Eagle  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:12 pm : link
.
RE: Luck  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14253455 MookGiants said:
Quote:
doesn't belong being compared to Lawrence.

He's better right now than Luck ever was in college. And he's a true freshman.

I have not seen a better pro prospect in my life and i'm 31.

Luck was a terrific prospect, but Lawrence is on another level from anyone i've seen.


That old? Wow, didn't think you were that old.
RE: RE: RE: What did I say last year?  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14253450 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 14253442 widmerseyebrow said:


Quote:


In comment 14253424 Anakim said:


Quote:


Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.



You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.



And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.


You're right. You were alone. I should not have doubted you.
Booger has it right for once  
Chip : 1/7/2019 11:13 pm : link
Lawrence looks like sunshine from Remember the Titans. Lawrence would be the first pick this year and would be worth giving up additional ones to get him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What did I say last year?  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14253463 widmerseyebrow said:
Quote:
In comment 14253450 Anakim said:


Quote:


In comment 14253442 widmerseyebrow said:


Quote:


In comment 14253424 Anakim said:


Quote:


Trevor Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He's the real deal. The real McCoy...Jennifer Aniston hair and all.



You and every recruiting service. He was the top prospect of 2018.



And Matt Barkley was the top QB recruit of his year. And so was Gunner Kiel. And Hackenberg was a five star guy.



You're right. You were alone. I should not have doubted you.


Never said I was alone, but way to put words in my mouth
Bama..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 11:15 pm : link
just getting stonewalled. These OL guys aren't used to being pushed around!!
Nice pursuit by Ferrell there  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:16 pm : link
And that's all she wrote
3 runs down 28  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 11:16 pm : link
Just idiotic.

Bamas coaches just awful tonight.
Clemson defense  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:16 pm : link
Is embarrassing Alabama. This is awesome!
RE: Bama..  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14253470 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just getting stonewalled. These OL guys aren't used to being pushed around!!


Even Jonah Williams looks mortal. Ferrell completely mauled him over earlier
Wilkens is a helluva  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
DT.

Sweeney out coaching Saban..
Bama's play calling near the goal line  
montanagiant : 1/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
Has been horrible
RE: Kid..  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14253456 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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could end up with Miami or Tampa


Anywhere but the NFCEast
Lawrence to Rose  
Jay in Toronto : 1/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
Is a pleasure to watch.

And it's kinda nice that the master recruiter couldn't bag the Bama HS wr.
Sorry  
Jay in Toronto : 1/7/2019 11:18 pm : link
ROSS not Rose
Alabama  
kcgiants : 1/7/2019 11:19 pm : link
Getting a taste of their own shit.

And I'm loving it. Hope Clemson runs up the score.
Ross and Tee Higgins look like future #1 WRs in the NFL  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:19 pm : link
Following a long line of great first round WRs from Clemson
Want to see Clemson  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:21 pm : link
score again.
Gotta admit  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:21 pm : link
I never thought I'd see the day when the Bama powerhouse under Saban would get their shit kicked in.

But here we are.
...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 11:22 pm : link
Look at that shitty field  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:22 pm : link
Please don't ever have a game of significance in that stadium.
My God put Tee Higgins  
Bluesbreaker : 1/7/2019 11:24 pm : link
Across from OBJ ...Ross put on a clinic ..
Higgens 6'4" 200 lbs Sophomore ..
RE: Alabama  
tyrik13 : 1/7/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14253483 kcgiants said:
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Getting a taste of their own shit.

And I'm loving it. Hope Clemson runs up the score.


I agree I hope they keep their foot on the gas pedal and put up 60 on satan
It's not fair that  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
Alabama had to play a good team to win the title.
RE: Look at that shitty field  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14253494 B in ALB said:
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Please don't ever have a game of significance in that stadium.


Haha, reminds me of the old Giants Stadium. I remember going to the famous Eagles/Giants game in 2002 and by the end of the game the field looked like a dirt yard.
Wow...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
the white flag has been waved.

Unless...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
there's a trade-up, I just don't see the worst record being in the NFC East. I guess if alex Smith has to retire it is possible with Washington, but there are a lot of teams that could be bad in two years.

Bengals could swap places with the Browns. Raiders are always a candidate. One of the teams who picked a QB this year might realize they have to cut bait, or might be forced by having a terrible record. SF could suck.

Hell, we could suck, but I doubt we'll suck enough.
The anointing of Tua slows down majorly now  
dep026 : 1/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
He really shit the bed against Georgia and Clemson.
Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 11:26 pm : link
at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.
Makes no sense to put in Hurts now  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 11:26 pm : link
Unless Tua is hurt
RE: Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14253506 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.



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Oklahoma  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:27 pm : link
Should have been in this game. What a disgrace.
RE: The anointing of Tua slows down majorly now  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14253504 dep026 said:
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He really shit the bed against Georgia and Clemson.


Really makes you think about the Giants next QB. Lately a lot of people have assumed 2020 draft is the year with Tua and Fromm. Tua will more than likely end up a first rounder but the #1 overall talk takes a hit tonight. Fromm does not look like a first rounder.
RE: The anointing of Tua slows down majorly now  
ajr2456 : 1/7/2019 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14253504 dep026 said:
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He really shit the bed against Georgia and Clemson.


Exactly what I warned about saying weílol just trade up and get a guy in 2020.

Thereís a long way to go before we know the NFL prospects of Fromm and Tua.
RE: RE: Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/7/2019 11:30 pm : link
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.
RE: Makes no sense to put in Hurts now  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14253507 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Unless Tua is hurt


Agree. He's not having the best game but he belongs on the field with these guys.
RE: Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
markky : 1/7/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14253506 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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at least for tonight, Williams got the best of him. He's definitely an option at 6.


what worries me about Ferrell is that he's surrounded by talent on the DL. what would he be like without those guys.
RE: Oklahoma  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14253511 B in ALB said:
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Should have been in this game. What a disgrace.


Uh, why is that?
The picture of a future legend  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:31 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
widmerseyebrow : 1/7/2019 11:31 pm : link
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.


That one play looks bad, but I saw a handful of others where he just stoned Ferrell.
RE: RE: RE: Jonah Williams > Clellin Ferrell  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:31 pm : link
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As I mentioned earlier, Ferrell got him once all game, and it was that play. Other than that Williams kept him in check.


I agree, but that play was oooooooogly. You're gonna see that play a lot in the coming months.
Lawrence  
WillVAB : 1/7/2019 11:31 pm : link
Is going to be the most hyped QB since Luck.
Damn this Bama defense  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 11:33 pm : link
Looks like the Giants defense now
RE: RE: Oklahoma  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14253519 Greg from LI said:
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Should have been in this game. What a disgrace.



Uh, why is that?


Tongue in cheek, Greg.
Watching Alabama give up  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:34 pm : link
Is absolutely Fucking PERFECT!
RE: The anointing of Tua slows down majorly now  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14253504 dep026 said:
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He really shit the bed against Georgia and Clemson.


Gotta be fair about it, he was playing on one leg vs Georgia and had surgery on it after. The two int's tonight were bad plays no doubt but I'm not sure he's 100% yet either.

Does Bama  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2019 11:35 pm : link
Not have edge rushers?
Get Lawrence out of  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:36 pm : link
there.
RE: Does Bama  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14253530 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Not have edge rushers?


Clemsons Oline is fantastic.

They are abusing this loses Bama team.
RE: Does Bama  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14253530 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Not have edge rushers?


Not tonight. I do like Christian Miller though.
Lawrence will make another teams great qb in 2021  
micky : 1/7/2019 11:39 pm : link
.
RE: Does Bama  
B in ALB : 1/7/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14253530 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Not have edge rushers?


"What's an edge rusher?"


- Senior David Gettleman
No thanks  
WillVAB : 1/7/2019 11:40 pm : link
On any Bama player at 6.
RE: No thanks  
micky : 1/7/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14253537 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.


Lol
RE: RE: Does Bama  
section125 : 1/7/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14253536 B in ALB said:
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Not have edge rushers?



"What's an edge rusher?"


- Jerry Reese


Fixed it for you...FWIW
RE: No thanks  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14253537 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.


What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.
Quinnen Williams is an animal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2019 11:43 pm : link
So is Jonah Williams. Anyone 'ruling out' any Bama players because of this game is nuts.
RE: RE: No thanks  
WillVAB : 1/7/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14253541 Anakim said:
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On any Bama player at 6.



What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.


I donít think either player is a game changer and thatís what Iíd be looking for at 6.

The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.
Man Clemson spanked bama  
micky : 1/7/2019 11:45 pm : link
Havent seen a bama team recently be manhandled like that
Letís hope Bama teammates...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 11:46 pm : link
protect Tua from his dad tonight.
Christian Wilkins  
Joey in VA : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
Screams Dave Gettleman type player
Criticism of Tua is laughable... reminds me of the foolishness  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
with Darnold during the UCLA and Ohio St games in 2017. Judging prospects on individual games is ridiculous. He just needs to get healthy this offseason and stay healthy next year or that will be the biggest issue with him.
Their D coordinator makes $2 million lol  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
Dabo then makes at least 5... and they should...

But holy shit these kids deserve a cut
RE: Quinnen Williams is an animal  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14253543 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So is Jonah Williams. Anyone 'ruling out' any Bama players because of this game is nuts.


Totally agree.

Looked to me like they were doubling Q.Williams most if not all game yet he still made some nice plays. J.Williams apart from the one play more than held his own against Ferrell and I bought won that battle overall.
#FireSaban  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 11:48 pm : link
Is trending on twitter. Get it together Bama fans.
RE: RE: RE: No thanks  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14253545 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.



What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.



I donít think either player is a game changer and thatís what Iíd be looking for at 6.

The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.


I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.

And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.
Yes, fire Saban  
Go Terps : 1/7/2019 11:51 pm : link
And make the Giants make him GM/HC immediately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No thanks  
WillVAB : 1/7/2019 11:55 pm : link
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On any Bama player at 6.



What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.



I donít think either player is a game changer and thatís what Iíd be looking for at 6.

The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.



I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.

And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.


Youíre certainly entitled to your opinion but Wilkins looked more like Donald tonight than Williams did.

The Giants can do better at 6.
Those  
sb2003 : 1/7/2019 11:59 pm : link
receivers on Clemson made some circus catches. They were fantastic.
Trevor Lawrenceís head  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/8/2019 12:00 am : link
Is twice as long as a normal human.
wow  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 12:01 am : link
Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.
RE: Kid..  
micky : 1/8/2019 12:16 am : link
In comment 14253456 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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could end up with Miami or Tampa


A great fit with either one
RE: wow  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:33 am : link
In comment 14253560 GiantGrit said:
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Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.


This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.

They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.

people  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:35 am : link
are going to overanalyze one game when it comes to the draft eligible players from this game.

I know the result is shocking, but sometimes games just totally get away from teams and you just never get on track in a game.

Bama  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:41 am : link
has schedule tough OOC opponents to start the year, yes mostly at a neutral site, but there is no real benefit to them playing a true road game OOC. They will do it, as they are playing a home and home with ND and Texas down the road.

They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.

If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.

Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year
RE: RE: wow  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 12:48 am : link
In comment 14253568 MookGiants said:
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Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.



This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.

They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.


I knew someone would take the cheese.

Only 1 team has made the college football playoff since it began in 2014 without playing a true, road out of conference game. Alabama. They haven't played one since 2011.

That year, they played at Happy Valley and won. Penn State was 9-4 that year but lost every single time they played a ranked opponent.

In 2010, they played at Duke and won 63-12. Duke went 3-9.


Sorry, not ridiculous. Elite talent? Yes. Elite coach? Yes. Do they need to start getting called out on their cupcake OOC schedule? Yes.

Btw, since the playoff started, Clemson played a home & home series with Auburn. Ohio State and Oklahoma also played each other. Georgia scheduled Notre Dame. Each team had the same risk Alabama faces of scheduling a great opponent early and losing. They still did it. What is Alabama's excuse?
Quinnen Williams  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:49 am : link
did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.
They play a ridiculous  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:53 am : link
schedule every single year. Why would they go out of their way to schedule a true OOC road game every year?

Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.

Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.

You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.
Clemson  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:56 am : link
plays in the ACC which on its best day couldnt wipe the SEC's ass.

Alabama doesn't need to make an excuse. Clemson played a true OOC road game this year and their schedule still didn't even compare to alabama's.

If you're going to bitch about the way a team schedules, it would be logical to not bitch about the team that plays a top 10 schedule most years. And it would be logical to not pat the team on the bank that plays a much easier schedule most years.

Clemson  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:01 am : link
next year faces the Charlotte 49ers and Wofford Terriers in consecutive weeks in September.

Yet you think Bama is the one that should be embarrassed about the way they schedule when they play in the toughest conference in the sport.

They have home and homes scheduled with ND and Texas coming up, too.

I'm also not sure why scheduling a neutral site OOC game means nothing to you.

The last thing anyone should ever be doing is bitching about the way Bama schedules. They play a difficult schedule every single year.

RE: They play a ridiculous  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:02 am : link
In comment 14253573 MookGiants said:
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schedule every single year. Why would they go out of their way to schedule a true OOC road game every year?

Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.

Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.

You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.


I reread my post and i'm still trying to figure out where i said Alabama got blown out because of their OOC schedule but i can't find it. Why would they? I just pointed out to you how many other big time programs are doing it. I also pointed out two other programs in their conference, Georgia and Auburn, still schedule tough OOC games even though they play in the SEC.

Whats my point? Because they are Alabama, a damn good program, this is never mentioned. I think it should. Regardless of your success or talent, i don't think its justifiable to go that long without a true away game against a good out of conference team.

Alabama lost tonight because they played a very undisciplined game and Clemson was opportunistic.
RE: Quinnen Williams  
WillVAB : 1/8/2019 1:04 am : link
In comment 14253572 MookGiants said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.


I caught that too.
their out of conference  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:05 am : link
scheduling has been fine. You're acting like they never play anyone decent out of conference, and thats simply not true.

If they scheduled cupcakes like you say and other teams don't, then surely it would show up in the SOS rankings, right?

Georgia  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:08 am : link
has also had the benefit of playing in the SEC East, which has been significantly easier than the West recently.

Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.

especially when  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:09 am : link
they've scheduled many OOC games to start the season against tough teams. These schedules are made a long time in advance, its not their fault that Florida State and Louisville were down when they played them. Last two years they opened up in Atlanta against Louisville and Florida State. Year before they played USC in Dallas I think. On what planet is that scheduling cupcakes?
Trevor Lawrence & Justyn Ross  
giantsFC : 1/8/2019 1:11 am : link
Look like 2 of the next elite superstars heading to NFL.

I donít think iíve Seen a QB with this skill set since John Elway. Wow, I kinda hope the giants suck balls for 2 years so they can get the no1 pick and land Lawrence.

CLEMSON FOOTBALL #1!
RE: Georgia  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:14 am : link
In comment 14253581 MookGiants said:
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has also had the benefit of playing in the SEC East, which has been significantly easier than the West recently.

Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.


Are you going to address any of my points? btw, forgot to mention Clemson has a home & home with Texas A&M currently. So Clemson has scheduled 2 home & home series against sec west teams. They also play South Carolina every year. They also play Notre Dame in 2020.

They didn't schedule Notre Dame  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:18 am : link
that is a game that is part of the deal ND made with the ACC to play 5 ACC teams every year.

Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.

The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.

Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?

You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.

You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?
RE: especially when  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:19 am : link
In comment 14253584 MookGiants said:
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they've scheduled many OOC games to start the season against tough teams. These schedules are made a long time in advance, its not their fault that Florida State and Louisville were down when they played them. Last two years they opened up in Atlanta against Louisville and Florida State. Year before they played USC in Dallas I think. On what planet is that scheduling cupcakes?


On what planet have they played a TRUE ROAD AWAY GAME AGAINST A NON CONFERENCE OPPONENT SINCE 2011. Everyone else has done it, including teams IN THEIR OWN DIVISION. You're only excuse is "well they play tough teams already !"
so does Auburn, Georgia, and A & M. And yet they still schedule tough games on the road.

We both know why Alabama doesn't do it.
RE: They didn't schedule Notre Dame  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:22 am : link
In comment 14253587 MookGiants said:
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that is a game that is part of the deal ND made with the ACC to play 5 ACC teams every year.

Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.

The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.

Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?

You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.

You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?


I am not ripping Clemson because they are willing to play in a hostile environment, early on in the season when no one plays their best. Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Auburn, Notre Dame, Georgia etc. all take that chance. Its not like Alabama didn't do it 1 year. They haven't played a true road game out of conference in almost a decade and you don't see a problem with that?
make sure  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:23 am : link
you type in all caps. Definitely makes your point more valid when you do that.

Again, who gives a shit about true road games out of conference.

You want to rip the team that plays a more difficult schedule and praise the team that plays the easier schedule.

You are also ignoring that Bama has home and homes schedule with ND and Texas.

Bitching about a teams schedule when they always play one of the most difficult ones in the country is foolish. I dont know any other way to put it. You typing in all caps doesnt change the fact that its foolish.
no  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:24 am : link
I dont. Because their schedule is always difficult every single year. Why should they go out of their way to make an already difficult schedule even more difficult?
And if you look at their OOC SOS  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:29 am : link
over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
RE: no  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:32 am : link
In comment 14253592 MookGiants said:
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I dont. Because their schedule is always difficult every single year. Why should they go out of their way to make an already difficult schedule even more difficult?


So is Auburn's schedule. So is Georgia's. So is A & M's. Just say it buddy. I've told you three other teams in their conference, 2 in their division, are scheduling these games and they are not. They are literally the only elite program who doesn't do it. Why are you acting like it is the most appalling idea in the world to see them play a tough OOC game on the road once every 3 years? No the neutral sites don't count because they always have more than half the fans there anyway.

Bottom line - do what everyone else has been doing.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:33 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


Schedule a real away game.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:37 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


Where's the link for the stat you just pulled out of your ass? Clean it before you share it.
RE: Quinnen Williams  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 5:12 am : link
In comment 14253572 MookGiants said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.


Heís not playing QB.
I think Thompson  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 5:16 am : link
Was shown again to be a bit overrated and certainly not worthy of a top ten pick. I think both Ferrell and J. Williams both did well. Could live with either at pick 6.
I almost bet the Bama ML -210  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 7:38 am : link
Glad I chickened out at the end.

Tide rolled.
Being a Badger fan  
Jay in Toronto : 1/8/2019 7:40 am : link
I have been appreciating the difference an elite DC makes (Aranda, Wilcox, now Leonhard).

Clemson has confirmed it.
I think itís the first time I have seen Saban outcoached  
Rick in Dallas : 1/8/2019 7:47 am : link
Masterful game plan on defense by Venables had Tua confused on several pass coverages. Also some mind numbing calls by Saban in second half in red zone. Lawrence for a 19 year old showed great composure and Ross made some unbelievable catches.
Clemson just has a better defense than Alabama  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 7:49 am : link
That's why I picked them.
RE: I think itís the first time I have seen Saban outcoached  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 7:53 am : link
In comment 14253650 Rick in Dallas said:
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Masterful game plan on defense by Venables had Tua confused on several pass coverages. Also some mind numbing calls by Saban in second half in red zone. Lawrence for a 19 year old showed great composure and Ross made some unbelievable catches.


I'm still trying to figure out that fake FG attempt.
RE: Bama  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/8/2019 7:55 am : link
In comment 14253570 MookGiants said:
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has schedule tough OOC opponents to start the year, yes mostly at a neutral site, but there is no real benefit to them playing a true road game OOC. They will do it, as they are playing a home and home with ND and Texas down the road.

They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.

If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.

Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year


Atlanta is not a neutral site at all. Itís practically a home game.
Put Bama in the Big 12 and let's see how that defense would play  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 8:00 am : link
They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.
RE: No thanks  
Percy : 1/8/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14253537 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.

Ha, ha! And so much for the BBI camp wanting to wait to replace Eli with Tua next year. (I kind of secretly was one of those. Was starting to think of trading down for Jonah Willliams at OT for our first draft choice, too.) Sort of wrecked a whole lot of expectations about how the draft will go.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
Mike in NY : 1/8/2019 8:03 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


The next times that Alabama has an away game out of conference not a neutral site is 2022 (at Texas) and 2028 (at Notre Dame). Other top teams play out of conference at non-neutral sites more regularly.
RE: Put Bama in the Big 12 and let's see how that defense would play  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14253662 Jints in Carolina said:
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They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.


Fromm and Lock aren't decent? And didn't they just beat a Big 12 team.
I wouldn't say..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 8:20 am : link
it is the end all, be all, but it is fair to judge players on how they handle big games:

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Criticism of Tua is laughable... reminds me of the foolishness
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link : reply
with Darnold during the UCLA and Ohio St games in 2017


Last night will likely hurt Tua's stock a bit, but he has a year to show otherwise. Against the closest thing he'll see to an NFL defense, he was shown looks that confused him. Not a career killer, but he'll likely have to show he can solve defenses.

Just like the Darnold criticisms weren't off base. They showed that he's poor at ball security and would sometimes make some terrible decisions leading to INT's. Both things that were present in his play as a rookie.
RE: RE: Put Bama in the Big 12 and let's see how that defense would play  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14253672 jeff57 said:
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They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.



Fromm and Lock aren't decent? And didn't they just beat a Big 12 team.


Yeah Mizzou is a powerhouse...I'll give you Fromm but UGA always finds a way to fuck up.

Sure they beat a Big 12 team...a team that has zero defense...but OU's offense did rough them up a bit.
Speaking of draft stock  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 8:23 am : link
Thoughts on Jonah Williams vs Ferrell? Seemed like Ferrell got the best of him several times.
RE: Speaking of draft stock  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14253686 Strahan91 said:
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Thoughts on Jonah Williams vs Ferrell? Seemed like Ferrell got the best of him several times.


I think they both had their moments and both did well.
RE: RE: Quinnen Williams  
WillVAB : 1/8/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14253614 jeff57 said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.



Heís not playing QB.


DG is trying to get rid of dumbasses not add them ó and he quit in the 2nd half yesterday. Hard pass.
RE: I wouldn't say..  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14253683 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is the end all, be all, but it is fair to judge players on how they handle big games


In Peyton Manning's last collegiate game (as a senior, not a sophomore like Tua) he went 21-31 for a mere 134 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT in a blowout loss to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.

All the flak Tua's getting in this thread is way over the top. He was outplayed by Trevor Lawrence, yes - no big shame there as Lawrence is easily the most impressive college QB since Luck. People are acting as if he played a SB 35 Kerry Collins type game. He made two massive mistakes that hurt his team but made some big throws as well, despite being the victim of several terrible drops by his receivers and Clemson getting away with blatant PI and defensive holding on two huge third downs in the second half.
RE: Quinnen Williams  
Anakim : 1/8/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14253572 MookGiants said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.


"The receivers really adjusted on every ball he threw. Because [Trevor Lawrence] didnít throw great balls. He didnít throw pinpoint balls. He just threw 50-50 balls. He threw it up.Ē

That part or did he say something else?
Greg..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 11:01 am : link
it is over the top. I'm not even piling on. I'm just saying that big games will sometimes lead to questions.

If you remember back to Manning, that final game clouded whether he would be the unanimous #1 pick or not, so it even impacted him
The problem with Tua  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 11:16 am : link
is in the Georgia and Clemson games. He looked average. He really struggled at times. Now, it doesnt mean he is going to bust or not be the number 1 pick. But questions should come up.

Lets be fair, if we are going to ride Haskins for playign easy teams and playing with superior talent - we can do the same for Tua. Tua really struggled I thought last night. But by no means is he finished as a prospect.
Peyton Manning was attacked for never winning it all in college.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 11:20 am : link
All the way up to the draft.
As regards Tua  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 11:22 am : link
I would always be leery of QBs who play in idea situations. When you never have to worry about pass protection, and you get a lot of short fields because of a shocking good defense and run games, it doesn't leave room for a lot of scouting in football situations.

You learn the most about a player as he undergoes adversity.
RE: The problem with Tua  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14253960 dep026 said:
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is in the Georgia and Clemson games. He looked average. He really struggled at times. Now, it doesnt mean he is going to bust or not be the number 1 pick. But questions should come up.

Lets be fair, if we are going to ride Haskins for playign easy teams and playing with superior talent - we can do the same for Tua. Tua really struggled I thought last night. But by no means is he finished as a prospect.


If we are really being fair, he played on one leg in the Georgia game, had surgery after and played on it last night.

It's been a little over a month after surgery on his ankle and he was out there last night. I'm not saying he gets a pass since he was healthy enough to play but I find it hard to believe he was at 100%.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 11:32 am : link
Tua was all sorts of banged up as the year went on. I completely expected all of the overreactions I'm seeing today - it is what it is. He's an excellent prospect and he had an awesome year. He'll be even better next year.

First Dallas and Philadelphia advance, then Bama gets completely embarrassed in the championship game. What a 3 day "weekend"...
RE: .  
bw in dc : 1/8/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14253996 arcarsenal said:
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Tua was all sorts of banged up as the year went on. I completely expected all of the overreactions I'm seeing today - it is what it is. He's an excellent prospect and he had an awesome year. He'll be even better next year.

First Dallas and Philadelphia advance, then Bama gets completely embarrassed in the championship game. What a 3 day "weekend"...


I apologize if I'm nit-picking, but I'm not sure Tua is an "excellent prospect". Definitely a quality QB prospect.

There are some size concerns - height and hand - and he's a lefty, which changes things from an offensive perspective since the RT now becomes the de facto LT. And he's been very susceptible to injury.

So there are some legitimate flags.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 12:04 pm : link
Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.

Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.

Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.

People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.

No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.
RE: .  
adamg : 1/8/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14254079 arcarsenal said:
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.

Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.

Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.

People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.

No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.


It goes both ways too. Looking forward to back peddling that will occur if/when Lawrence has a particularly shitty game. The jizz spilled on BBI in the past 24 hours over that kid is ridiculous.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14254111 adamg said:
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.

Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.

Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.

People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.

No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.



It goes both ways too. Looking forward to back peddling that will occur if/when Lawrence has a particularly shitty game. The jizz spilled on BBI in the past 24 hours over that kid is ridiculous.


Yeah, I'm very big on Lawrence but you're right - he's being talked about like Jesus playing QB right now. If he struggles at any point, the same shit will start to happen.

I think both of these guys are going to be fantastic NFL QB's.
Tua had a not terrific game against  
Ash_3 : 1/8/2019 12:28 pm : link
a Clemson defensive line with three likely high first rounders. Folks need to slow down. People often ask why we keep watching ESPN and other hot take outlets. The answer is obvious: folks like hot takes and they like tearing down people just as much as they like building them up.

Tua's a fantastic prospect; I think Lawrence is better, but we're talking about two outstanding young QBs; if either were in this year's draft, we'd be talking about how we could go and get em.
Thinking about the game last night.....  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 1:36 pm : link
I recalled something Fowler and Herbstreit mentioned during the broadcast - the unbelievable amount of turnover in the Alabama coaching staff over the past few years. Gotta think that lack of continuity has to take a toll eventually, and last night was arguably the worst coaching performance of Saban's college career.
Some stat: 55-4 for Clemson's senior class (per ESPN) -  
Del Shofner : 1/8/2019 3:19 pm : link
"Clemson's senior class finished 55-4, tied with the current Alabama senior class for the most wins by a class in FBS history."
RE: Thinking about the game last night.....  
arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14254264 Greg from LI said:
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I recalled something Fowler and Herbstreit mentioned during the broadcast - the unbelievable amount of turnover in the Alabama coaching staff over the past few years. Gotta think that lack of continuity has to take a toll eventually, and last night was arguably the worst coaching performance of Saban's college career.


It's definitely a challenge. Saban loses a huge chunk of his roster yearly and although there's usually a steady flow of 4 and 5 star recruits coming into the pipeline, none of them are automatic. Young kids coming out of HS have to be coached up and have a ton to learn - the transition from HS to a huge CFB program like Alabama is not an easy one.

Last night just felt like one of those nights. I feel like if they played eachother 9 more times, there probably wouldn't be a repeat of last night. Clemson would absolutely beat Alabama a bunch more - but it was just a very atypical game for Bama in so many ways.

Too much confusion in coverage... then Saivion Smith goes down in a crumpled heap with Bama's chances hanging by a thread leading to another easy/long TD.

Saban won't sleep for weeks after last night I'm sure. Just such an un-Saban like performance from the team.

In some ways, I don't mind it. I've grown somewhat tired of my friends whining about how Alabama never loses, how it's not fair, how there's no reason to play the games - just hand them the trophy, etc. Poor Clemson... from the wee little ACC having won two titles in the last 3 years now and going undefeated this season...

They deserved it, though. I do prefer Lawrence to Tua at this point in time. But I also think all the dumping on Tua because of one or two games is getting ridiculous. It's not even like he was dreadful last night - he made a lot of really great throws and completed most of his passes. He just never saw the DB come off his coverage on the first INT and then the 2nd one was just a really stupid mistake. It happens.... I watched Andrew Luck do the same exact thing against Tennessee a couple weeks ago.

Looking forward to next season. This team will have a chip on their shoulders.

Damien Harris is graduating and moving onto the NFL - not sure if Josh Jacobs will stay for his senior year or not.

But Trey Sanders is going to be a beast and Damien going to the draft should open up a lot more work for Najee who needs to be featured way, way more. 121 total touches is not enough for him.

Jerry Jeudy will also be back. Absolute stud WR. Guy will be a star in the NFL. Great wiggle after the catch and a big play, scoring machine.

Hopefully we get a shot at redemption next year like we did last year.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 3:41 pm : link
Irv Smith is also going to be part of this new breed of NFL TE's once he moves on. He's got that size/speed combo that teams just have tons of trouble covering.

I'm not expecting QWill to be on the board when NYG pick @ 6 - but if he is, I hope they seriously consider him. He can play in any system. He is Aaron Donald lite. Guy is a fucking wrecking ball.
RE: .  
bw in dc : 1/8/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14254079 arcarsenal said:
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.

Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.

Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.

People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.

No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.


I didn't/don't think Mayfield's height is ideal either. I know the league is changing, but 6'1" still isn't the prototypical height.

I like Tua. He's been so refreshing for Alabama because he's a real play-making QB. Yet, I've always put some emphasis on metrics. They are mostly reliable.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 3:48 pm : link
One last thing -

I know I belabored this point a bit last night earlier in the game, but I hope Saban considers moving back towards a more run-heavy/defense-oriented approach.

It almost felt like once Tua was under center, there became this irresistible urge to play with the new toy and start airing it out like crazy.

Over 100 more passes were thrown this regular season than last year. I know Tua can sling it - I don't want them to waste him, either. But I just feel like they really got away from what makes Alabama what they are and what they've been.

I want to see them pummel teams with the run more and then have Tua take shots downfield. Grind teams down and then beat them with the big play.
RE: RE: Thinking about the game last night.....  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14254438 arcarsenal said:
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But I also think all the dumping on Tua because of one or two games is getting ridiculous. It's not even like he was dreadful last night - he made a lot of really great throws and completed most of his passes. He just never saw the DB come off his coverage on the first INT and then the 2nd one was just a really stupid mistake. It happens.... I watched Andrew Luck do the same exact thing against Tennessee a couple weeks ago.


This was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. You had dep with his idiotic "Tua shit the bed" nonsense for a night where he made a bunch of good to great throws and a few bad ones. A flawed performance, but not a terrible one by any means. It just looked worse than it was because you had Lawrence on the other side playing pretty much lights out.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14254443 bw in dc said:
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Why is height a question mark? He's the same height as Mayfield.

Handedness shouldn't really be a flag, either. This was by far the best passing offense Alabama has had basically for as long as I've been watching them.

Durability? Sure. That remains to be seen. I wouldn't argue that.

People are too wishy washy on prospects, though. One month ago, nearly everyone here would have bent over backwards to get this guy. Now, he's not that good anymore.

No one wants to stick to their guns on anyone. One day he's great, the next day he's overrated. He'll have a great year next year and then he'll be a guy most people are coveting again.



I didn't/don't think Mayfield's height is ideal either. I know the league is changing, but 6'1" still isn't the prototypical height.

I like Tua. He's been so refreshing for Alabama because he's a real play-making QB. Yet, I've always put some emphasis on metrics. They are mostly reliable.


I don't think it matters much - Wilson is even shorter and has regularly been one of the best QB's in football over the last few years.

Brees' height has never been an issue, either.

Sure, you'd rather have the guy be like 6'5" but 6'1" really isn't a problem in my opinion

A guy Kyler Murray's size? Okay - that's where I become concerned. But Tua is like 20lbs heavier than he is and is also a few inches taller.

Tua may not have "ideal" NFL size, but it won't be a hindrance. He'll be able to make it work just like Mayfield is and like some other guys have been.
RE: RE: RE: Thinking about the game last night.....  
arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14254455 Greg from LI said:
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But I also think all the dumping on Tua because of one or two games is getting ridiculous. It's not even like he was dreadful last night - he made a lot of really great throws and completed most of his passes. He just never saw the DB come off his coverage on the first INT and then the 2nd one was just a really stupid mistake. It happens.... I watched Andrew Luck do the same exact thing against Tennessee a couple weeks ago.



This was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. You had dep with his idiotic "Tua shit the bed" nonsense for a night where he made a bunch of good to great throws and a few bad ones. A flawed performance, but not a terrible one by any means. It just looked worse than it was because you had Lawrence on the other side playing pretty much lights out.


If we're talking about who shit the bed last night, the defense is number one on the list. They could not get stops on 3rd down, there were blown coverages left and right. Pressure wasn't getting home. Guys looked confused, they weren't tackling well. That's not Alabama defense.

Nick Saban is right under it. The fake FG call was horrendous - maybe the worst call I've seen him make for as long as he's been here. The adjustments didn't work after half - the offense just couldn't get out of its own way. Plenty of moving the football. Just stupid, careless mistakes. Penalties, turnovers... slop.

Just very atypical and disappointing. It won't happen again next year.
Wait....  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 4:00 pm : link
we are saying Tua didnt shit the bed last night? Ok...

Sure he made a nice couple throws. But after the first quarter he was nonfactor. A pick 6, and other horrible INT, indecisive, etc...

It doesnt mean he sucks. It doesnt mean he doesnt have a bright future. But he stunk last night. He was considered by many the best college football player this year. He didnt come through.

Yes the defense was terrible too. The kicker sucks. Saban coached a pretty bad game. But Tua played a terrible game.
that fake was baaaaaaaad  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 4:01 pm : link
Using the holder as a lead blocker?? That's Mike London level bad.

All year long, it felt like the Bama defense wasn't on a par with their recent defenses despite looking good on paper. That proved to be the case.
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 4:17 pm : link
Tua definitely didn't come through last night - he deserves blame too. It was a team failure. It just seems like the perception of him is suddenly that he's not an NFL-caliber QB or just some product of playing for Alabama when that's not remotely true. I've watched a lot of pretty crappy QB's here... Tua is head and shoulders the best one I've seen.

He will get healthy this offseason and bounce back next year. I'd be shocked if he's not in the Heisman convo again.
RE: that fake was baaaaaaaad  
arcarsenal : 1/8/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14254471 Greg from LI said:
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Using the holder as a lead blocker?? That's Mike London level bad.

All year long, it felt like the Bama defense wasn't on a par with their recent defenses despite looking good on paper. That proved to be the case.


I'm just not even sure why they ran it at all. Clemson was more or less in a standard defense. They weren't buying Saban letting Bulovas kick the ball from 40 yards away. The play had no chance.

At least run a fake that involves throwing the ball.

The play design on that was just... bad.
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dep026 : 1/8/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14254488 arcarsenal said:
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Tua definitely didn't come through last night - he deserves blame too. It was a team failure. It just seems like the perception of him is suddenly that he's not an NFL-caliber QB or just some product of playing for Alabama when that's not remotely true. I've watched a lot of pretty crappy QB's here... Tua is head and shoulders the best one I've seen.

He will get healthy this offseason and bounce back next year. I'd be shocked if he's not in the Heisman convo again.


I agree with all of this. Heís still amazing. He just had a bad gsme. I would like to see him fully healthy too. Injuries to players suck.
RE: RE: I wouldn't say..  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14253852 Greg from LI said:
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it is the end all, be all, but it is fair to judge players on how they handle big games



In Peyton Manning's last collegiate game (as a senior, not a sophomore like Tua) he went 21-31 for a mere 134 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT in a blowout loss to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.

All the flak Tua's getting in this thread is way over the top. He was outplayed by Trevor Lawrence, yes - no big shame there as Lawrence is easily the most impressive college QB since Luck. People are acting as if he played a SB 35 Kerry Collins type game. He made two massive mistakes that hurt his team but made some big throws as well, despite being the victim of several terrible drops by his receivers and Clemson getting away with blatant PI and defensive holding on two huge third downs in the second half.


I agree here. Tua didn't have a good game, but it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be. All QBs have games like that at times. It's a setback for for Tua, but it will also be a good measuring stick for him. Can he learn from it, and come back better. If so he can raise his stock perhaps even higher than it might have gone otherwise.

Since Clemson took it to Bama in every phase of the game, it really looked more like a bad coaching job on Saban's part and a really good one by Swinney. Bama just didn't look prepared for what Clemson was doing in any phase of the game.
We build these players up just to delight in tearing them down.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 4:50 pm : link
People started talking about Tua like his was god's gift just off last year's title game. Now he looks remotely human and there's a line down the block of people with shovels in hand waiting to throw dirt and repeat the same thing with Lawrence.
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MetsAreBack : 1/8/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14254509 .McL. said:
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Since Clemson took it to Bama in every phase of the game, it really looked more like a bad coaching job on Saban's part and a really good one by Swinney. Bama just didn't look prepared for what Clemson was doing in any phase of the game.


Score was certainly lopsided, but yards gained in the game were pretty even and thats with Clemson going on a 90 yard drive late in the 4Q when Bama had flown the white flag, and included a 75 yard TD pass that was due to a Bama corner injury on the snap.

Turnovers were huge, some coaching mistakes like the dumb fake FG, the penalty on the 0.5 yard line...

Much like the Clemson-ND game when everyone was quick to say ND didnt belong... sometimes final scores can be a little misleading.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 10:10 pm : link
really should be discussed (not necessarily on BBI, but in the Media):

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We build these players up just to delight in tearing them down.
Ten Ton Hammer : 4:50 pm : link : reply
People started talking about Tua like his was god's gift just off last year's title game. Now he looks remotely human and there's a line down the block of people with shovels in hand waiting to throw dirt and repeat the same thing with Lawrence.


Look at how sick people got of Brett Favre. Remember when ESPN had updates on him visiting Minnesota and crap like that? It was such overload that it turned into backlash.

Same for Tebow. The Media incessantly made him out to be some super-human QB. Inundated us with Tebowing. People got sick and tired of it.

Both cases, the player suffered because the Media built things up to an absurd point.
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bw in dc : 1/9/2019 12:46 am : link
In comment 14254463 arcarsenal said:
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I don't think it matters much - Wilson is even shorter and has regularly been one of the best QB's in football over the last few years.

Brees' height has never been an issue, either.

Sure, you'd rather have the guy be like 6'5" but 6'1" really isn't a problem in my opinion

A guy Kyler Murray's size? Okay - that's where I become concerned. But Tua is like 20lbs heavier than he is and is also a few inches taller.

Tua may not have "ideal" NFL size, but it won't be a hindrance. He'll be able to make it work just like Mayfield is and like some other guys have been.


Mayfield may have finally broken the mold for size not being as critical. Wilson was still a 4th rounder and Brees a 2nd rounder.

However, if Murray opts for the NFL he's going to be a very interesting case study. If the NFL risks a first round pick on him the things have really changed. He's a first round athlete for sure, but his height is a major. major concern at 5'9".
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