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CFB National Championship Game: Alabama vs. Clemson - 8pm

arcarsenal : 1/7/2019 6:48 pm
Figured a separate game thread would be a good idea as to not cloud up the draft prospects thread with 300 other posts from other game-related stuff.

I know most of the world is already tired of this matchup. But they're the two best teams, and if the goal is to have the two best teams be left standing at the end, it's happening here.

We can debate the recruitment process and everything else until the cows come home, but that's for another day.

Saban vs. Dabo. Tua vs. Lawrence. Bama vs. Clemson.

Expecting another one to go down to the wire with these teams. They've been on a collision course all year. Now they're here.

Roll Tide, Roll!
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Man Clemson spanked bama  
micky : 1/7/2019 11:45 pm : link
Havent seen a bama team recently be manhandled like that
Let’s hope Bama teammates...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2019 11:46 pm : link
protect Tua from his dad tonight.
Christian Wilkins  
Joey in VA : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
Screams Dave Gettleman type player
Criticism of Tua is laughable... reminds me of the foolishness  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
with Darnold during the UCLA and Ohio St games in 2017. Judging prospects on individual games is ridiculous. He just needs to get healthy this offseason and stay healthy next year or that will be the biggest issue with him.
Their D coordinator makes $2 million lol  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
Dabo then makes at least 5... and they should...

But holy shit these kids deserve a cut
RE: Quinnen Williams is an animal  
Eman11 : 1/7/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14253543 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So is Jonah Williams. Anyone 'ruling out' any Bama players because of this game is nuts.


Totally agree.

Looked to me like they were doubling Q.Williams most if not all game yet he still made some nice plays. J.Williams apart from the one play more than held his own against Ferrell and I bought won that battle overall.
#FireSaban  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2019 11:48 pm : link
Is trending on twitter. Get it together Bama fans.
RE: RE: RE: No thanks  
Anakim : 1/7/2019 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14253545 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.



What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.



I don’t think either player is a game changer and that’s what I’d be looking for at 6.

The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.


I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.

And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.
Yes, fire Saban  
Go Terps : 1/7/2019 11:51 pm : link
And make the Giants make him GM/HC immediately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No thanks  
WillVAB : 1/7/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14253554 Anakim said:
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In comment 14253541 Anakim said:


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On any Bama player at 6.



What about Jonah Williams? Quinnen Williams is still my second best prospect in this Draft.



I don’t think either player is a game changer and that’s what I’d be looking for at 6.

The LT will prob be a solid pro. Q Williams will probably be a solid pro. But I think there will be more impactful players available at 6.



I mean I vehemently disagree. I think Quinnen Williams was the best defensive player in college football this year. If ever there was a guy who could compare to Aaron Donald, I think it'd be Quinnen Williams. I really think he's the second best player in this upcoming Draft and he could push Nick Bosa for #1 overall.

And Jonah was rock solid all season long. I don't think he let up a sack all year. The only thing is he has shorter arms than you'd like in a franchise LT.


You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but Wilkins looked more like Donald tonight than Williams did.

The Giants can do better at 6.
Those  
sb2003 : 1/7/2019 11:59 pm : link
receivers on Clemson made some circus catches. They were fantastic.
Trevor Lawrence’s head  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/8/2019 12:00 am : link
Is twice as long as a normal human.
wow  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 12:01 am : link
Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.
RE: Kid..  
micky : 1/8/2019 12:16 am : link
In comment 14253456 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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could end up with Miami or Tampa


A great fit with either one
RE: wow  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:33 am : link
In comment 14253560 GiantGrit said:
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Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.


This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.

They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.

people  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:35 am : link
are going to overanalyze one game when it comes to the draft eligible players from this game.

I know the result is shocking, but sometimes games just totally get away from teams and you just never get on track in a game.

Bama  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:41 am : link
has schedule tough OOC opponents to start the year, yes mostly at a neutral site, but there is no real benefit to them playing a true road game OOC. They will do it, as they are playing a home and home with ND and Texas down the road.

They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.

If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.

Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year
RE: RE: wow  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 12:48 am : link
In comment 14253568 MookGiants said:
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Honestly picked Clemson but in a really close game. Never imagined Alabama's defensive line being handled like that in pass pro. WOW.

Saban got outcoached tonight. That fake FG attempt when Clemson was in a base defensive look really sealed it - that was horrible.

Maybe Alabama will actually have to schedule a true road OOC game. No one gets away with scheduling cupcakes like they do. Not saying they aren't elite or that Saban isn't a rock star coach, but they need to start playing some tougher games to start the yer.



This is a ridiculous take. Getting their asses handed to them had nothing to do with the way they scheduled. They have played big games to start the year out of conference. Louisville wound up being dogshit but thats not a cupcake when you schedule it.

They just got beat bad tonight. It happens. I hate them but they dont need to do anything about their schedule just to appease college football fans.


I knew someone would take the cheese.

Only 1 team has made the college football playoff since it began in 2014 without playing a true, road out of conference game. Alabama. They haven't played one since 2011.

That year, they played at Happy Valley and won. Penn State was 9-4 that year but lost every single time they played a ranked opponent.

In 2010, they played at Duke and won 63-12. Duke went 3-9.


Sorry, not ridiculous. Elite talent? Yes. Elite coach? Yes. Do they need to start getting called out on their cupcake OOC schedule? Yes.

Btw, since the playoff started, Clemson played a home & home series with Auburn. Ohio State and Oklahoma also played each other. Georgia scheduled Notre Dame. Each team had the same risk Alabama faces of scheduling a great opponent early and losing. They still did it. What is Alabama's excuse?
Quinnen Williams  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:49 am : link
did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.
They play a ridiculous  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:53 am : link
schedule every single year. Why would they go out of their way to schedule a true OOC road game every year?

Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.

Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.

You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.
Clemson  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 12:56 am : link
plays in the ACC which on its best day couldnt wipe the SEC's ass.

Alabama doesn't need to make an excuse. Clemson played a true OOC road game this year and their schedule still didn't even compare to alabama's.

If you're going to bitch about the way a team schedules, it would be logical to not bitch about the team that plays a top 10 schedule most years. And it would be logical to not pat the team on the bank that plays a much easier schedule most years.

Clemson  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:01 am : link
next year faces the Charlotte 49ers and Wofford Terriers in consecutive weeks in September.

Yet you think Bama is the one that should be embarrassed about the way they schedule when they play in the toughest conference in the sport.

They have home and homes scheduled with ND and Texas coming up, too.

I'm also not sure why scheduling a neutral site OOC game means nothing to you.

The last thing anyone should ever be doing is bitching about the way Bama schedules. They play a difficult schedule every single year.

RE: They play a ridiculous  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:02 am : link
In comment 14253573 MookGiants said:
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schedule every single year. Why would they go out of their way to schedule a true OOC road game every year?

Clemson played a much easier schedule this year yet you think not scheduling a true OOC road game had an impact on this game tonight.

Why would they schedule a true OOC road game when they play a top 10 schedule without it every year.

You are totally lost if you think that had any impact on the game tonight.


I reread my post and i'm still trying to figure out where i said Alabama got blown out because of their OOC schedule but i can't find it. Why would they? I just pointed out to you how many other big time programs are doing it. I also pointed out two other programs in their conference, Georgia and Auburn, still schedule tough OOC games even though they play in the SEC.

Whats my point? Because they are Alabama, a damn good program, this is never mentioned. I think it should. Regardless of your success or talent, i don't think its justifiable to go that long without a true away game against a good out of conference team.

Alabama lost tonight because they played a very undisciplined game and Clemson was opportunistic.
RE: Quinnen Williams  
WillVAB : 1/8/2019 1:04 am : link
In comment 14253572 MookGiants said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.


I caught that too.
their out of conference  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:05 am : link
scheduling has been fine. You're acting like they never play anyone decent out of conference, and thats simply not true.

If they scheduled cupcakes like you say and other teams don't, then surely it would show up in the SOS rankings, right?

Georgia  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:08 am : link
has also had the benefit of playing in the SEC East, which has been significantly easier than the West recently.

Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.

especially when  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:09 am : link
they've scheduled many OOC games to start the season against tough teams. These schedules are made a long time in advance, its not their fault that Florida State and Louisville were down when they played them. Last two years they opened up in Atlanta against Louisville and Florida State. Year before they played USC in Dallas I think. On what planet is that scheduling cupcakes?
Trevor Lawrence & Justyn Ross  
giantsFC : 1/8/2019 1:11 am : link
Look like 2 of the next elite superstars heading to NFL.

I don’t think i’ve Seen a QB with this skill set since John Elway. Wow, I kinda hope the giants suck balls for 2 years so they can get the no1 pick and land Lawrence.

CLEMSON FOOTBALL #1!
RE: Georgia  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:14 am : link
In comment 14253581 MookGiants said:
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has also had the benefit of playing in the SEC East, which has been significantly easier than the West recently.

Bama's overall schedule is always one of the most difficult in the nation. So why bitch about their OOC schedule.


Are you going to address any of my points? btw, forgot to mention Clemson has a home & home with Texas A&M currently. So Clemson has scheduled 2 home & home series against sec west teams. They also play South Carolina every year. They also play Notre Dame in 2020.

They didn't schedule Notre Dame  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:18 am : link
that is a game that is part of the deal ND made with the ACC to play 5 ACC teams every year.

Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.

The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.

Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?

You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.

You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?
RE: especially when  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:19 am : link
In comment 14253584 MookGiants said:
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they've scheduled many OOC games to start the season against tough teams. These schedules are made a long time in advance, its not their fault that Florida State and Louisville were down when they played them. Last two years they opened up in Atlanta against Louisville and Florida State. Year before they played USC in Dallas I think. On what planet is that scheduling cupcakes?


On what planet have they played a TRUE ROAD AWAY GAME AGAINST A NON CONFERENCE OPPONENT SINCE 2011. Everyone else has done it, including teams IN THEIR OWN DIVISION. You're only excuse is "well they play tough teams already !"
so does Auburn, Georgia, and A & M. And yet they still schedule tough games on the road.

We both know why Alabama doesn't do it.
RE: They didn't schedule Notre Dame  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:22 am : link
In comment 14253587 MookGiants said:
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that is a game that is part of the deal ND made with the ACC to play 5 ACC teams every year.

Your point is ridiculous. You haven't answered why one cares about the way Bama schedules when they play a top 10 schedule every year.

The proof is in the pudding. You can point to anything you want to, but the strength of schedule each year makes your point look foolish.

Clemson scheduled two cupcakes out of conference next year. How come you aren't ripping them for that?

You are giving credit to teams for the way they schedule but those teams somehow every year have an easier schedule than Bama does.

You don't see anything wrong with bitching about it when they always play a difficult schedule?


I am not ripping Clemson because they are willing to play in a hostile environment, early on in the season when no one plays their best. Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Auburn, Notre Dame, Georgia etc. all take that chance. Its not like Alabama didn't do it 1 year. They haven't played a true road game out of conference in almost a decade and you don't see a problem with that?
make sure  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:23 am : link
you type in all caps. Definitely makes your point more valid when you do that.

Again, who gives a shit about true road games out of conference.

You want to rip the team that plays a more difficult schedule and praise the team that plays the easier schedule.

You are also ignoring that Bama has home and homes schedule with ND and Texas.

Bitching about a teams schedule when they always play one of the most difficult ones in the country is foolish. I dont know any other way to put it. You typing in all caps doesnt change the fact that its foolish.
no  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:24 am : link
I dont. Because their schedule is always difficult every single year. Why should they go out of their way to make an already difficult schedule even more difficult?
And if you look at their OOC SOS  
MookGiants : 1/8/2019 1:29 am : link
over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.
RE: no  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:32 am : link
In comment 14253592 MookGiants said:
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I dont. Because their schedule is always difficult every single year. Why should they go out of their way to make an already difficult schedule even more difficult?


So is Auburn's schedule. So is Georgia's. So is A & M's. Just say it buddy. I've told you three other teams in their conference, 2 in their division, are scheduling these games and they are not. They are literally the only elite program who doesn't do it. Why are you acting like it is the most appalling idea in the world to see them play a tough OOC game on the road once every 3 years? No the neutral sites don't count because they always have more than half the fans there anyway.

Bottom line - do what everyone else has been doing.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:33 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


Schedule a real away game.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 1:37 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


Where's the link for the stat you just pulled out of your ass? Clean it before you share it.
RE: Quinnen Williams  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 5:12 am : link
In comment 14253572 MookGiants said:
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did not sound very intelligent in his postgame press conference. Wow that was painful to listen to. I can't imagine he's going to do well in the interview process when he meets with teams.


He’s not playing QB.
I think Thompson  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 5:16 am : link
Was shown again to be a bit overrated and certainly not worthy of a top ten pick. I think both Ferrell and J. Williams both did well. Could live with either at pick 6.
I almost bet the Bama ML -210  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 7:38 am : link
Glad I chickened out at the end.

Tide rolled.
Being a Badger fan  
Jay in Toronto : 1/8/2019 7:40 am : link
I have been appreciating the difference an elite DC makes (Aranda, Wilcox, now Leonhard).

Clemson has confirmed it.
I think it’s the first time I have seen Saban outcoached  
Rick in Dallas : 1/8/2019 7:47 am : link
Masterful game plan on defense by Venables had Tua confused on several pass coverages. Also some mind numbing calls by Saban in second half in red zone. Lawrence for a 19 year old showed great composure and Ross made some unbelievable catches.
Clemson just has a better defense than Alabama  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 7:49 am : link
That's why I picked them.
RE: I think it’s the first time I have seen Saban outcoached  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 7:53 am : link
In comment 14253650 Rick in Dallas said:
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Masterful game plan on defense by Venables had Tua confused on several pass coverages. Also some mind numbing calls by Saban in second half in red zone. Lawrence for a 19 year old showed great composure and Ross made some unbelievable catches.


I'm still trying to figure out that fake FG attempt.
RE: Bama  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/8/2019 7:55 am : link
In comment 14253570 MookGiants said:
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has schedule tough OOC opponents to start the year, yes mostly at a neutral site, but there is no real benefit to them playing a true road game OOC. They will do it, as they are playing a home and home with ND and Texas down the road.

They have ooc games scheduled against miami, usc soon too. Both neutral sites.

If you think this game had anything to do with not scheduling a true out of conference road game you're lost. They played in the best conference in the country and got through their schedule undefeated. Clemson has a significantly easier schedule this year than Bama did. Not even close really.

Weird thing to complain about after Bama got destroyed by a team who played a significantly easier schedule this year


Atlanta is not a neutral site at all. It’s practically a home game.
Put Bama in the Big 12 and let's see how that defense would play  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2019 8:00 am : link
They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.
RE: No thanks  
Percy : 1/8/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14253537 WillVAB said:
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On any Bama player at 6.

Ha, ha! And so much for the BBI camp wanting to wait to replace Eli with Tua next year. (I kind of secretly was one of those. Was starting to think of trading down for Jonah Willliams at OT for our first draft choice, too.) Sort of wrecked a whole lot of expectations about how the draft will go.
RE: And if you look at their OOC SOS  
Mike in NY : 1/8/2019 8:03 am : link
In comment 14253593 MookGiants said:
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over the last decade, they have been in the top 5 almost every year. But yeah, lets hammer them because they dont play a true road game OOC.

You're acting like scheduling USC, Michigan, Louisville, Florida state to kickoff their seasons doesnt matter because its on a neutral field.

Bama doesn't need to make any excuses for the way they schedule because they always have a difficult schedule.

The same cant be said about some of the teams you are praising.


The next times that Alabama has an away game out of conference not a neutral site is 2022 (at Texas) and 2028 (at Notre Dame). Other top teams play out of conference at non-neutral sites more regularly.
RE: Put Bama in the Big 12 and let's see how that defense would play  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14253662 Jints in Carolina said:
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They hardly face any decent QB's in the SEC and got rolled when they finally were confronted with one.


Fromm and Lock aren't decent? And didn't they just beat a Big 12 team.
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