I need to rant. Since 2005, the giants have finished in the upper half of points scored EVERY single season except 2013, 2016 and 2017. From 05-12 the giants virtually hovered at 400 or above save for 2006-2007 and not one average or below season in that run. 2013 rock bottom, then back to above average in 2014 and even better 2015 with 420 pts. This is the giants we’re talking about here. I don’t care how many pts are being scored in this era, the giants still put forth their best offensive stretch in fifty plus seasons if not longer. The giants will likely finish upper half next season. They could be even better than just upper half matter of fact I’d probably bet on them being top 8 or so. But the d.....
How many times during this best ever stretch of nyg offensive football did the defense hold up its end of the bargain for a full season? Not this season. Not last. 2016? Yes. And then we have to go back to 2011 and let’s be honest that team gave up a ton of points during the season only to summon one last postseason run to glory. They had a good pass rush but were pretty bad most of that regular season.
Since and including 2005, the defense has finished in the upper good half for points allowed a whopping 3 times. Let’s be generous and fair and say it’s 5 times if you count 2007 and 2011 but for the record both those teams did not finish upper half pts allowed. Every other season the D has been below average or terrible. And usually it’s been terrible. This has to be a historically bad run of nyg defense. Has to be. Even in the 70s the D was competitive if not very good.
It’s all about the defense. For all the hyper Eli analytics and the OL sky is falling hysterics and game plan dissection, the defense doesn’t get nearly enough press or discussion. Nick Foles, Eli Manning , Kyle Lauletta or Mike Cherry could lead a resurgent great offensive attack in 2019 but Gettleman and Bettcher needs to break this horrible defensive stretch or it’s going to be the same old shit. Enough already. It’s sickening to see Dallas and Philly still playing and it’s not the overstated and over analyzed Nick Foles and Prescott that’s leading anything, it’s the defense.
I guess where I’m going with this is i expect a very very aggressive and busy offseason, especially on the defensive side. Gettleman has made a shit load of subtractions and very few additions to the defensive side of the ball since taking over as GM. Ogletree is really the only big addition to a brand new defense.
They might not go super big game hunting like they did in 2016 but I’d be shocked if the giants don’t make a big splash once again.
It’s just bothersome how it’s almost accepted or washed over by all the Eli talk. For all the shit he takes he’s done his part to lead this franchise to winning records. Even the 2016 season bothers me because fans love to bitch about Eli’s play that year as if he didn’t deserve the D’s help one fucking time in his career. Can the D just carry things One fucking time....
The D did in fact carry the 2016 team. Doesn't change your point, Manning hasn't played in an era of good Giants defense.
Inverse of the 90s Giants, where Hammer, Strahan, Armstead were pretty vocal about carrying the offense.
on the QB thats Giants Football be able to run the ball
sustain drives . Pick up O-line #2 and go defense rest of the way maybe look for a blocking TE since we have multible
late round picks .
In team defense.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm
Boasting wo ALL Pros - Collins & Harrison.
The defensive starting line-up consisted of JPP, Harrison, Vernon, Kennard, ,Sheppard, Casillas, DRC, Collins, Thompson and Jackrabbit; just a bit better than the 2018 team.
Unfortunately, the offense was inferior, ranking 26th ..
All offensive guys.
Look at the list of DCs
Fox, Lynn, Lewis, Spags, Sheridan, Fewell, Spags (again)
Of those Fox was the best, Spags was mostly competent here, the rest were garbage.
If you don't have a defensive HC, then you better have a a really good DC, and the giants have been mostly missing on their choice of DC. The DC is not only critical to the scheme, he is critical in evaluating defensive talent.
We'll see what happens with Bettcher...
But that doesn’t change the fact that until recently in this era of high profile scoring, the Giants offense recently completed a season plus without scoring 30 points, and never seemingly was able to close out a game with a 4 min offense
Let s not try to spin this as it s been a pretty good or above average offensive team that just couldn’t overcome a bottom dwelling defense.
Luckely, 2019 draft appears strong on Defense. I expect they will draft D in each of the first 4 rounds if not more. If not the whole draft. The scheming is fine. We have no view into position coaching.
The next time an opposing tight end gets shut down by the Giants defense will be the day when the Giants finally pay attention to their inferior linebackers...
I thought the front would be better against the run, but didn't see enough edge talent coming into 2018. They need to fix that, and probably without spending the inflated open market dollars to get the ball rolling, at least.
2. Other than Jack Rabbit, there is no one all that great in pass coverage
3. The LB core is weak
If you can't pressure opposing QBs, and can't hold coverage, your going to loose a lot of games, particularly the close ones
maybe ever (who knows, not looking, but the lists),
given that we only have two legit bigs (Hill and Tomlinson) up front given the lbs mostly we're not even playing in position or are just not very good, or simply don't fit scheme, or toast due to too old, or often injured, it would be madness not to draft into the strength of the draft.
That means maybe x3 in the first 60 picks or so.
+ The very best free agent center.
Maybe a mid-late round giant run blocking tight end as a nod to the barks.
Maybe a right tackle.... Maybe
Then see you next time
+ The very best free agent center.
Maybe a mid-late round giant run blocking tight end as a nod to the barks.
Maybe a right tackle.... Maybe
Then see you next time
The Giants need long-term solutions at DE, edge rusher, LB, SS, FS, and CB.
I suspect Gettleman will allocate resources with value in mind, which might come at the expense of the offense and will certainly impact Manning's value and future.
You know why the defense is gassed? Cause they stink and couldn’t get off the field!!!!
I believed in that in 2016, when we lost games because the offense couldn't do their part.
In 2018, the team had a lot of elite skill players on offense, but an inferior O-line and an under-manned defense - An Evil brew.
The Giants offense scored more than 13 points once in the first eight games.
Point being the season was essentially over at 1-7, the GM traded two starters on the defense around that time, and the defense really fell apart.
What really happened in the cases pf Apple & Snacks ?
I thought Apple had turned it around, was it that he was caught laughing when he got beat on one play ?
And Snacks had one bad game ...
And that was it - "out the door"; sure it's a sour taste losing, but "throw the baby out with the bath water" ? Isn't that kind of melodramatic ?
So ther’s that.
The Giants offense scored more than 13 points once in the first eight games.
Point being the season was essentially over at 1-7, the GM traded two starters on the defense around that time, and the defense really fell apart.
This x 1000
I don’t wanna hear it with all due respect. The D has sucked every year here save for a few seasons and even when they didn’t suck they weren’t exactly dominant except for 2016.
If the D was ravens good these last 15 seasons anyone want to bet that Eli makes the playoffs many more times than he did? It’s Eli this Beckham that OL this and no talking about the D. This is the worst stretch of nyg defense EVER. Ever! We’re talking about ten years of futility here.
My point is for all the talk about Eli and the oline this offense has done its part more often than not. God forbid the D carried the day more than one season out of the last ten. It’s sickening.