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Boomer on Haskins

joeinpa : 1/8/2019 8:31 am
He stands tall in the pocket, has great throwing motion and quick release. He s got everything you need to be an NFL quarterback; plus he s a great kid and wants to play for the Giants.

I know, it s Boomer, and I’m in the 10% here that value his take on the NFL and football in general, but thought his take here was worth sharing.

He also believes Good chance Haskins won’t be there when Giants pick at 6.
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BBI:  
SHO'NUFF : 1/8/2019 11:18 am : link
"If Shurmur is okay with Haskins, then we're okay with it."

Also, BBI:

"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"
RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14253903 SaqBar999 said:
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?

He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.
RE: BBI:  
Sean : 1/8/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14253964 SHO'NUFF said:
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"If Shurmur is okay with Haskins, then we're okay with it."

Also, BBI:

"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"


This made me laugh.
Be honest  
oldutican : 1/8/2019 11:38 am : link
None of you have a clue whether Haskins is worth the Giants' pick. Teams have several months study film, interview him, look into everything about him and work him out. After that, teams will have a much better idea.
RE: Be honest  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14254012 oldutican said:
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None of you have a clue whether Haskins is worth the Giants' pick. Teams have several months study film, interview him, look into everything about him and work him out. After that, teams will have a much better idea.


Agreed and the same can be said for that blowhard Boomer. Which is why no one should pay much attention to his agenda filled opinions when it comes to anything Giants.
RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14253747 Jay on the Island said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.


Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.
RE: RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14254099 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.



Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.



None of those guys, with the exception of Rodgers and he kinda fell into the Packers lap when he dropped, were going into situations like with Eli and the Giants.

I am not opposed to a QB sitting in general, but for this team, with this QB, in this city.
RE: No..  
ajr2456 : 1/8/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14253710 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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more like Boomer doesn't know what he's talking about based on his body of work that has shown repeatedly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.

By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....


Francessa said he's terrible though. Do they cancel each other out or do both talking heads disintegrate?
RE: RE: The Eagles line was a mess when he was there..?  
Banks : 1/8/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14253836 BillKo said:
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Only time their line was a mess was in 2012, an injury plagued year when Reid was fired and the team simply quit............

Even since Chip Kelly, that line has been pretty solid.

Maybe it's cause I live in the area, but that definitely was not the feeling here. The line was solid in 2013. They were better run blocking than in pass pro. They gave up 46 sacks that year.
In 2014, Johnson missed a month due to suspension and took awhile to get back to his usual performance when he got back. Mathis and Herremans both missed half the year. Kelce missed a month and part of a couple games. There wasn't a single game played with all their starters.
In 2015 they were forced to start Matt Tobin and Allen Barbre for most of the year. They were not liked here as neither were good and the effectiveness of the run game further declined. The eagles jettisoned them both a year later and neither are currently on a roster.
The eagles never fell as far as us on the line, but they have had a couple of down years
RE: RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14254099 rocco8112 said:
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In comment 14253747 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:


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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.



Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.


As you know, Coaches deal with these “headache” problems all the time. That’s their job
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14253974 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.



Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?

He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.



Gettleman revealed he gave Peyton Manning a perfect 9.0 grade coming out of college.

He loves Eli as his QB.

That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.

Haskins ain't it, chief.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14253940 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.


Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.

End of story

Anything else is just blah blah blah
For the past two seasons  
joeinpa : 1/8/2019 1:12 pm : link
Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.

RE: For the past two seasons  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14254224 joeinpa said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.



Haskins ain't it, chief.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14254196 SaqBar999 said:
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In comment 14253903 SaqBar999 said:


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In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.



Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.

End of story

Anything else is just blah blah blah

Actually, everything you post (which is just the same post on repeat) is just blah blah blah.

This board will be a better place when you're banned yet again.
Haskins  
Carl in CT : 1/8/2019 1:29 pm : link
Think he is a good prospect (not great). For those who hate him (as stated above) he is a better pro prospect than Tua.
RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
TommyWiseau : 1/8/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14254237 SaqBar999 said:
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In comment 14254224 joeinpa said:


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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.


You are a clown
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14254195 SaqBar999 said:
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Gettleman revealed he gave Peyton Manning a perfect 9.0 grade coming out of college.

He loves Eli as his QB.

That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.

Haskins ain't it, chief.


This is high quality content.

Think a QB at #6 would force  
TMS : 1/8/2019 2:06 pm : link
DG to cut ELI and get the new QB on the field right away. Unless ELI agrees to a trade (Jacksonville maybe ?)
RE: Haskins..  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14253706 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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may not be there at 6, but the process and rankings will be very fluid over the next few months.

Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.

Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.

Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.


LOL
RE: If he’s worth and there  
Dutch77 : 1/8/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14253831 bradshaw44 said:
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Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.

If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?
RE: RE: If he’s worth and there  
bradshaw44 : 1/8/2019 2:24 pm : link
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Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.


If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?


Honestly I would still be hesitant. Not too mention he’s 19. If we did take him I would expect that he would sit a season or two.
joeinpa  
PaulN : 1/8/2019 2:34 pm : link
Only idiots don't value his opinion, people who want to think they are an expert, there are some here who are, but they would never trash Boomer's take on a QB, I guess since the guy was a very good QB in the NFL he may just have some insight that we simply can not have, since we are expert at posting on a computer.
RE: Haskins  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14253726 Archer said:
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Up until last night I thought that Tua was a great prospect.

After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.

The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.

What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.

I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.

In the first half, Tua made some big time throws last night. But under pressure, he made some big time blunders too...
The second half, Clemson just put a strangle hold on Alabama.
Tua certainly looks like he needs more time to refine his game after last night.
Lawrence on the other hand. To be a true freshmen, get on the biggest college stage, national TV, etc., and play like that. He way outplayed Tua. I am extremely impressed.
RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14253774 Tuckrule said:
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3

For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
Just think we are only entering the 2nd week of January  
The 12th Man : 1/8/2019 2:50 pm : link
these threads and responses will go on until the end of April.
RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 3:01 pm : link
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!

There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14254369 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.

What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14254399 .McL. said:
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.

That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
The 12th Man : 1/8/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14254399 .McL. said:
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.


No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.

You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.
As is usually the case  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 3:27 pm : link
fans make up concepts in a bubble where the Giants are the only team trying to benefit from trades.

You'd think Gettleman saying it last year head on would be enough. "People want you to trade down for a hot dog and a hot pretzel".
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14254423 The 12th Man said:
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.



No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.

You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.

You don't understand what market price means then...
Market price is NOT the price that the seller is willing to sell at... Its the price that buyers are willing to buy at. The seller may think that market price is X, but if the most a buyer will pay is something less, then that something less is the real Market Price.
The biggest problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 3:35 pm : link
is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.
RE: The biggest problem..  
Sean : 1/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14254434 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.


Was Gettleman as entertaining in Carolina with regards to his pressers? I have to say, I find him to be very funny & I had no idea he was such a jokester with the media prior to him coming here. I don’t mean this as an insult to him, I genuinely find him entertaining.
Gettleman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 3:51 pm : link
played up the New York attitude down here and he was a good contrast to Richardson. After Richardson had a heart transplant, he rarely talked to the Media so Gettleman and Rivera were usually the guys in front of the press.

What is interesting is that Rivera and Gettleman are similar personalities. Type A guys who are blunt and would rather get to the point than speak in Southern Gentleman circle-talk. And they got along well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14254420 Gatorade Dunk said:
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That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?


Hmm, I not sure how to express this well..
I understand what you are saying, and we don't really disagree in general.

Think of a pick in the draft as an asset.
The asset has intrinsic value. For a draft pick it relates to the players that will be available at that pick.
Every year there are different players. So every year, the same pick number will have different intrinsic value.
If you sell a pick, you hope to sell it to somebody that perhaps overvalues it and you can get more. But, I think most teams (there may be a few outliers here) have gotten pretty good at valuing picks. So your expectation is that you will get something back that has nearly same intrinsic value PLUS something more for the additional risk that comes with trading a known commodity for an unknown commodity.

But you are going to get what the market dictates, either a player of said market value, or something in a trade of said market value. It doesn't really matter, its not like you get to pick a player that will far exceed the market value. If that were the case, the market value for the pick would be higher. You get what the market dictates for the player available (said player or some other package).

Here is the important thing though. When you trade down, you are taking a risk. When you have a pick on the clock, the players available are known and the pick can precisely valued. The picks you get in return come later, and you don't know what players will be available. So the compensation has to be something more than the value of the player that is actually available to make up for the additional risk. Do this enough times, and the team trading down will generally get a better return in the long run. It may be more variable, but overall better.

That is why teams that trust their evaluation process can make more hay by trading down, generally speaking the optimal places to pick (Non QBs) are from about #20 through #50. This is based on some studies done in the past, those picks tend to outperform the value of the contracts they receive.
RE: The biggest problem..  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14254434 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.


The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.

The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.

I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.
RE: joeinpa  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14254341 PaulN said:
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Only idiots don't value his opinion, people who want to think they are an expert, there are some here who are, but they would never trash Boomer's take on a QB, I guess since the guy was a very good QB in the NFL he may just have some insight that we simply can not have, since we are expert at posting on a computer.


You'd think he would have good insight on QBs and he might very well have them. Problem is you can't take anything he says regarding the Giants/Eli seriously because he has a clear agenda against them and he's not being objective.

Also in this case I think his agenda is clear and he's talking out his ass. There's no way he or anyone else can know enough about Haskins right now based on 14 games at OSU.

Does Boomer know how he is on the white board? Does Boomer know how he understands defenses? Has Boomer ever even talked to Haskins to get an idea about anything football related? No, but the fact he was from Jersey, is a Giant fan and has a good arm is enough for everyone to believe he's worth the 6th pick because Boomer says so.

RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14254237 SaqBar999 said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.


Eat a snickers SaqBar99
RE: RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:45 am : link
In comment 14254889 GiantGrit said:
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In comment 14254224 joeinpa said:


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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.



Eat a snickers SaqBar99



If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.
RE: RE: The biggest problem..  
section125 : 1/9/2019 5:18 am : link
In comment 14254475 .McL. said:
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The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.

The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.

I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.


Why is it foolish. The highest rated player ever is in the draft at your pick. Somebody offers a decent trade. So, do you take the guy you rated as the best player ever in the draft, or trade it away for the unknown (you have no clue what will be there x picks down the line). If you could not get one of the QBs at X pick, then why did you trade?
I think it is foolish to think there was something better. It would go against everything good teams do in the draft. He took the best player available who just happened to be the best player ever (tie with Peyton?).

PS: didn't he just explain his drafting philosophy a few days ago about not forcing a pick and taking the BPA.
Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
Ira : 1/9/2019 6:46 am : link
Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.
BPA?  
joeinpa : 1/9/2019 9:41 am : link
If beat player in draft this year would be a running back, think Gettleman takes him?

Need is a factor no Matter how they spin it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/9/2019 10:59 am : link
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.



Eat a snickers SaqBar99




If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.

But everything about your posts suggests that you're great at it.


/sarcasm
RE: Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
Eman11 : 1/9/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14255047 Ira said:
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Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.


Agreed and Boomer is no expert.

His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.
If we really want to get into why or why not to take Esiason  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2019 11:43 am : link
at his opinion on Haskins, how about this? He does TV and Radio for the league during the NFL season, and has an every day morning radio show. Where would he have time to actually watch Haskins play?

And that's before factoring in that just because someone plays a position doesn't mean they can evaluate that position. Cough*John Elway*Cough.
RE: RE: Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14255264 Eman11 said:
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Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.



Agreed and Boomer is no expert.

His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.



Boomer hates the Giants

That's why he wants them to get Haskins. So they suck
If you ignore mock drafts (where pundits guess at picks based on need)  
Del Shofner : 1/9/2019 1:14 pm : link
and just look at player rankings for the 2019 draft (where the players are just ranked, without regard to which team might pick them), Haskins is nowhere in the top 10. Often not near the top 10. Defensive players dominate the high rankings of draftable players this year.

I realize that's not dispositive because teams do pick based on need and also over-value QBs. But it's enough for me if DG decides to pass on Haskins.
Boomer is  
Ron Johnson : 1/9/2019 1:38 pm : link
90% douche, 10% Ranger fan
RE: Drafting a QB high  
djm : 1/9/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Why is it a disaster waiting to happen? Seriously, why? Don’t tell me media driven qb controversy garbage.

Why?
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